What is truth?

[CO2]

I have searched for truth through every faith based belief system. Surprisingly enough I found a piece of it in every one of them. But the greatest truth of all consists of my God consciousness that I awakened to over twenty years ago. NOW and the perpetual impending life unfolds for me a God who lives within and outside of myself.

As I have learned to discipline my mind and breathing (Buteyko Method [the rebuilding of CO2 in the body and blood]); I have noticed my consciousness drawing ever nearer to the edge of creation itself. But the scriptures are very clear in that "the kingdom of God outstripts [moves ahead] in time to us" (Matthew 12:28). This means that God's perpetual creative force will always be just in front of the time period we all know as NOW. We may however, at times, catch a glimpse of those funny shapes, numbers, and colors that ride on the brink of the edge. I AM, that I AM; and so are you (John 10:34).

[wnlight]

I suspect that "truth" is what you make of it. If you believe it, then it is truth for you. When you consider other people's truth, you are looking at their beliefs. Not really. I have spent great effort removing those "beliefs" that do not work for me. Peeling away the layers of the onion, so to speak. I still find myself saying "I believe that ..." way too often. I keep four levels in my BS (belief system) namely:

Accepted (but frequently reviewed)
Likely (are "feel-good" concepts)
Suggested (by others)
Dropped

There is likely another belief layer I could call "Unknown" that controls me without my conscious knowledge. I keep looking out for those. My "Dropped" beliefs layer is huge. There are so many of those beliefs that were instilled into me in my childhood. I will still review the dropped beliefs when I get kicked in the teeth for ignoring them. Actually, all of my layers are flexible.

[Savannah]

In my opinion there is absolute truth, crystal clear truth. It's those in power who don't want you think so, that say its all malleable and what you want it to be. If that's the case they (ie Enki) can make it what ever he wants and has. They destroyed and manipulated history so we would not know who we are. They created religions and the bodies our souls are trapped in. The alien manipulators know some of the truths that are hidden from us. If it was in any religion it would have been kept from us.

[Ernie Nemeth]

As "the truth" becomes ever clearer, ever nearer, an entirely different viewpoint is emerging. A new history of mankind heralds a new paradigm as well. It will unveil the occulted knowledge of our forebears and our responsibility to our mother and fierce protector, Gaia. She is a mother and she has given birth to many races of intelligence. Their collected knowledge is our heritage.

[wnlight]

But Savanna, how do you KNOW the truth when you see it? Perhaps you are telling us that there "is absolute truth, crystal clear truth" but we will not recognize it when we are staring at it. Perhaps you will know it when you touch it. Then you and I agree.

[ghostrider]

The truth is just like Immanuel and Muhammad said, the thing (spirit ) inside me does the work... Choosing to listen and follow that gentle inner voice that speaks to all human beings, that tiny piece of Creation that is still one with everything... The evil men in each epoch tried to make the man the focus instead of the message... That person in the mirror has everything needed to build a more perfect world...

[StandingWave]

The truth is simply that which cannot be negated: the sense of 'I am'.

[greybeard]

Ultimate Truth is Only "God" is--and I am that--(I am that I am)

Its possible to go round and round and round in circles--thats the me (ego) protecting the concept of a separate identity.

Ancient enlightened teaching all the way up to present day Mystics all say the same thing.
One without a second--its that clear--you are that, there is no other, except in illusion--Maya - the play of consciousness--the dreamer within the dream.

Ch

[greybeard]

ALL is the SELF; There is Only the Self (Complete Satsang Dialogue) ~ Mooji

Uploaded on Mar 17, 2011

"Jiva is Shiva; follow the footsteps of 'I AM'." (Mooji) http://www.mooji.org
Ed note: This auspicious dialogue took place at a time when laryngitis was a possibility for Mooji at any moment. Even so, That which speaks through Mooji points us to the Truth of our many questions about reality, and addresses many issues, not the least of which is: the only remedy for suffering on the planet.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nNmmXb1OlUI

[Clear Light]

Posted by StandingWave (here)
The truth is simply that which cannot be negated: the sense of 'I am'.

Oh, no disrespect intended whatsoever StandingWave, but IMHO if one were to investigate that exact sense of "I am" (via some spiritual / meditative technique) it could open up a whole new world ... but I suppose it depends upon what you are pointing at with those words eh ?

Because if that sense "I am" is related to some "entity" or to some "who" of identity then AFAIC that's still within the realm of "Concepts" (like a separate self) and there is potentially further "to go" to reveal its "emptiness" or its lack of inherent substance ...

But to be clear, the "emptiness" I speak of is most certainly not a mere Nothingness !

[greybeard]

Trouble is people get stuck in an idea of what spirituality is and dont investigate further.
God only knows how many times my thoughts on this have shifted.

I have followed various teachers been to ashrams--sat at the feet of enlightened sages--yes they all say the same thing with different expression.
I did not get what hey were saying I had to hear it over and over and from different sources.

Most of what I "needed" is in that Mooji video.

This one by Stephen Wolinsky goes a step further.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bkIKXgiKvCM

[OMG]

EVERYTHING IS TRUE!

Why? Because everything exist'. If something exist then it is a truth that cannot be denied. Good, bad or indifferent doesn't matter.

The more applicable question is what POWER can we achieve.

In our current political environment I should add that when a paradigm is put forth that allows more power to people it tends to be appealing. Yet the most powerful truths are inherently real-eyes and actual-eyes NOT given.

[greybeard]

Everything is made up of atom which are 99.9% empty space.
What we see as solid is an illusion.

The emptiness within the atom is the same as the emptiness without.
That emptiness is supreme intelligence.
We are That.
The body dies--we are not the body--we are permanent eternal.
In order for some thing to be true it must be permanent not temporary.
Yes there is relative truth and absolute truth.
The chair the body the event is relative truth --you are absolute truth.

Chris

[lake]

Posted by OMG (here)
EVERYTHING IS TRUE!
Good, bad or indifferent doesn't matter.
The more applicable question is what POWER can we achieve.

See I cannot comprehend this type of post?
Maybe I am just stupid? Might be....I wouldn't know would I as I am stupid!

What concerns me more is that in 6 years OMG (although one must consider the change of forum software) You have not thanked anyone for their input into your life on this forum?

Do you consider that you learn nothing from others? In which case why participate on a forum?
If you feel that you have expanded by others considerations then why have you never thanked anothers post?

My interaction would like to know?

[lake]

This is a thread about TRUTH....so I feel justified in asking the above question of OMG.......who I assume can answer it in truth?

With this in mind I am happy to answer any question, in truth as I have perception of a truth!
So I am not being 'harsh' to OMG

[OMG]

Posted by lake (here)
This is a thread about TRUTH....so I feel justified in asking the above question of OMG.......who I assume can answer it in truth?

With this in mind I am happy to answer any question, in truth as I have perception of a truth!
So I am not being 'harsh' to OMG

I welcome post like this and would be horrified if you couldn't express your point of view.

Thankfulness takes many forms. I do the best I can and I love everyone, although I may not love what they do. I think if people read my post they can see my well meaning intention and the basic purpose that drives me. Of course I'm far from perfect, yet I feel I have learned countless things from others and appreciate everyone's comments or feedback, even if I don't always express it in an obvious way.

Re: Truth

ALL is permissible but not ALL is beneficial...

And I written much about Power. Most SEE this as a dirty word because they denote it with force and negative imposition. Obviously my meaning of power is not negative (although negative can be a relative term bass on perspective) so what is it?

Peace

[Rich]

Posted by OMG (here)
The more applicable question is what POWER can we achieve.

God already gave us all the power.

[OMG]

God already gave us all the power.

I would agree that ALL comes from GOD. And I think humans have soul which is a unique attribute from GOD. And not everything or everyone has soul.

However, I don't know of anyone who has absolute power in all of its fullness NOW. So I see power as an evolving state. This of course doesn't mean that ALL power isn't within us. It could be that we are only accessing parts of this Absolute power and if we could figure out how to access it all maybe it would be possible to do so in an instant, so to speak.

Of course I'm not partial to the notion of surrendering to some deity, force or whatever... Why? Well, we are partial beings and to give away our selves to anything/one while coming from our partial or imperfect state is a recipe for disaster.

Who or what is this "source/truth/etc" that we freely surrender ALL of ourselves to? How do we know?

Regardless, ones power is either static, devolving or evolving. But when you have power you can tell...and when you don't you can tell...

[StandingWave]

Posted by Clear Light (here)

Posted by StandingWave (here)
The truth is simply that which cannot be negated: the sense of 'I am'.

Oh, no disrespect intended whatsoever StandingWave, but IMHO if one were to investigate that exact sense of "I am" (via some spiritual / meditative technique) it could open up a whole new world ... but I suppose it depends upon what you are pointing at with those words eh ?

Because if that sense "I am" is related to some "entity" or to some "who" of identity then AFAIC that's still within the realm of "Concepts" (like a separate self) and there is potentially further "to go" to reveal its "emptiness" or its lack of inherent substance ...

But to be clear, the "emptiness" I speak of is most certainly not a mere Nothingness !

Is it possible to claim "I am not"?

The sense of being expressed as 'I am' is the one thing in universe thtat cannot be negated. In negating it, you confirm it.
This was pointed out to me initially by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.
I cannot fault his observation.
Can you?

[greybeard]

Posted by OMG (here)

God already gave us all the power.

I would agree that ALL comes from GOD. And I think humans have soul which is a unique attribute from GOD. And not everything or everyone has soul.

However, I don't know of anyone who has absolute power in all of its fullness NOW. So I see power as an evolving state. This of course doesn't mean that ALL power isn't within us. It could be that we are only accessing parts of this Absolute power and if we could figure out how to access it all maybe it would be possible to do so in an instant, so to speak.

Of course I'm not partial to the notion of surrendering to some deity, force or whatever... Why? Well, we are partial beings and to give away our selves to anything/one while coming from our partial or imperfect state is a recipe for disaster.

Who or what is this "source/truth/etc" that we freely surrender ALL of ourselves to? How do we know?

Regardless, ones power is either static, devolving or evolving. But when you have power you can tell...and when you don't you can tell...

Everything is of the one solution.
Gold can be formed into many objects.
The ocean becomes the wave.

Depends how you define soul but mystics will say there is only one soul and I am that.
I can not say that a stone is alive but it is made up of atoms in movement to the best of my recollection

Chris