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    Thanks everyone for your interesting comments. I have been very busy the last little while and haven't been able to contribute much. However, when I logged in today I saw the thread started by Whiskey Mystic and thought of how it is an example of the effects of the divide and conquer propaganda that is being spread. The thread was about a member who had referred to people who identify with the left as wastes of flesh...or something like that. That made me think of the dangers of dehumanizing people who think differently. When we cease to feel compassion or try to understand the other side it becomes easy to perceive them as less than, which can quickly translate to not worthy of existence which easily leads to human atrocities.

    In fact I think that most human problems are connected to self-worth. From a higher perspective we are all expressions of the divine and innately worthy for nothing more than that. However in this society we are taught that worth is something that is earned, not something innate. So deep down everyone grapples with issues of self-worth. In order to prove our worth we strive for external things that society has assigned worth to. Instead of being driven by passion we are often driven by a sense of lack. This creates a situation where we believe that we can raise our own value through devaluing another which is a really sad state of affairs.
    It was that exact post that was the catalyst for me to comment both there and here. I had assumed it was the same for you, given the timing. Interesting thing, "timing" ...
    Actually speaking of timing...did you notice the time this thread was initially posted (ps I didn't do it on purpose...lol)
    Well I'm in a way different timezone, but I assume 11:11 for you Very interesting indeed ...
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    Haha I didn't even think of the time zones. Sorry for my localcentricity Yes here in my time zone it is 11:11

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    So we are witnessing a deepening division in humanity that is particularly highlighted (but not limited to) the US. We have the left wing liberal perspective and the right wing conservative perspective. What is interesting is that because of the internet we can see each camp more easily than before, however, most who identify with a particular camp largely only expose themselves to the ideology of that camp. This creates a situation where they tend to see only the negative aspects of the opposing camp and the positives are neglected. For example in the left camp the right is portrayed being made up of racist, sexist homophobes with low IQ, and in the right camp the left is portrayed as being made up of socialist, money hating bleeding hearts with loose moral standards.

    However, in reality both sides hold their share of positives and the healthiest perspective would obviously be one that married the two. We are being pitted against one another and I am sure everyone here knows why this is happening and who benefits.

    So I am wondering what is stopping people from seeing this obvious situation and what can we do to stop people polarising politics. I would guess the first step would be look at ourselves on an individual level and recognize where we have internalised polarized perspectives.

    Any other ideas?
    This is very important. We have seen , with the recent election, a proliferation of hysterical material from the extremes, together with fake news on both sides. I personally have experienced , as many, the low to no quality of some of the news that pops up on social media. One, as a careful consumer of news, becomes more cautious as to what one can believe, and one needs to confirm and research more, as the overall quality deteriorates.

    There is also the ‘echo tunnel’ phenomenon, whereby one can become polarised, if one’s feed is more from one side or the other. I applaud face book for providing opposite viewpoints below an item, this is helpful. I do not agree with any kind of censorship, and we can see that the ‘false news’ meme is driven by partisan forces who will not recognise the bias, manipulation, and disinformation on more mainstream platforms.

    From a philosophical viewpoint, the political spectrum from right to left is a personal judgement between a more individualistic and self reliant view to a more collectivised social view. Any evaluation of our societies will see a balance somewhere in the middle, and the individual may feel more inclined to one pole or the other, and wish to take society in one direction or the other, but ultimately the question for that individual is – what do the majority want? Again it is somewhere in the middle, and that is how I feel. But seeking a balance or accommodation between polarities for it’s own sake is sterile, because that leaves out TRUTH. So many people, when looking at the political scene, think that they can arrive at a view, by considering the spectrum of viewpoints, and selecting one that feels right for them.

    This is when they are caught in the false left-right paradigm. It is a distraction from TRUTH. People increasingly are employing their own critical thinking to what is going on and coming to conclusions that are not supported by many (or any) of the mainstream left-right commentators.

    That does not make them extremists, just critical thinkers. If, for example, one decided that Trump had made the most coherent foreign policy statements to come out of Washington since the second world war, that is a viewpoint that is defensible, but one could fall into the trap of taking on board the entire Trump policy dogma, some of which may be bonkers, and getting sucked back into silly debates.
    If, for example, one believed that 9-11 was an inside job, and one surveyed the political landscape looking for a ‘shade’ of opinion that supported this idea, one could be labelled a dangerous extremist.
    Our Political discourse is dangerously built on falsehood. Whether we are inclined to use tax to support socialised medicine or not is less important that the fact that the whole system is rigged to divert us from the truth, and what our political discourse desperately needs is an injection of TRUTH on all subjects. It is so heavily corrupted that it is in danger of becoming an irrelevant puppet show.
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    How can people possibly find truth, justice and goodness in a governing body that is a devil worshipping, fascist, corrupt dictatorship???!!

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    Thanks for bringing the whole 'fake news' idea to the table Baby Steps. It does add a whole new dimension to the situation with both positive and negative qualities. I was telling a friend the other day (who has become convinced that the Earth is flat) that if a person consumes enough information about something they can be convinced of anything. This works for both sides of the equation. I think part of the lesson in this is to stop looking to an external authority to discern the truth. I think the more we learn to cultivate internally generated discernment, that is not dictated by the sways of polarity, the better off we will be.

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