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    Default Hague prosecutors say U.S. forces may have committed war crimes

    Charges against war crimes by the US government. No kidding. And even better, during the Bush administration.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-wa...-idUSKBN1392OI

    Quote Prosecutors at the International Criminal Court in The Hague said on Monday there were preliminary grounds to believe U.S. forces committed war crimes in Afghanistan and at secret detention facilities elsewhere in 2003 and 2004.

    In a report, prosecutors said there was a "reasonable basis to believe" that U.S. forces had tortured prisoners in Afghanistan and at Central Intelligence Agency detention facilities elsewhere in 2003 and 2004.
    But note, it takes the clout of the World Court at The Hague to place these charges. An internal investigation by any US source could not accomplish this.

    The important point here, regardless of the outcome, is that the crowd (with pitchforks) is slowly beginning to gather in the town square, outside of the castle. More and more sources are creeping out from seclusion, feeling braver together. A classic revolution is in progress.

    We are no longer afraid of our "masters".... They need to be afraid of us now.

    This is a key turning point.

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    Default Re: Hague prosecutors say U.S. forces may have committed war crimes

    Though they may certainly bring charges, does the ICC have power to enforce any charges they may bring in this case?
    As I understand it, they are quite limited in what they can actually do, other than investigate.
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    Default Re: Hague prosecutors say U.S. forces may have committed war crimes

    Unless I am greatly mistaken, the ICC at The Hague has the jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes.

    Quote The ICC has the jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. The ICC is intended to complement existing national judicial systems and it may therefore only exercise its jurisdiction when certain conditions are met, such as when national courts are unwilling or unable to prosecute criminals or when the United Nations Security Council or individual states refer investigations to the Court.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...Criminal_Court

    So it does appear that they may move very slowly, but they can move effectively.

    Whatever 'enforcement' may amount to here, universal condemnation does still carry some political weight, I think.
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    Default Re: Hague prosecutors say U.S. forces may have committed war crimes

    The Court in the Hague didn't do anything with the tribunal in Malaysia.



    I live in the Netherlands but I do not take this court seriously. It's most likely as proffesionally corrupt as the rest of the country.
    Usually these global institutions have an agenda of their own.

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    Default Re: Hague prosecutors say U.S. forces may have committed war crimes

    Quote Posted by Selene (here)
    Unless I am greatly mistaken, the ICC at The Hague has the jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes.

    Quote The ICC has the jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. The ICC is intended to complement existing national judicial systems and it may therefore only exercise its jurisdiction when certain conditions are met, such as when national courts are unwilling or unable to prosecute criminals or when the United Nations Security Council or individual states refer investigations to the Court.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...Criminal_Court

    So it does appear that they may move very slowly, but they can move effectively.

    Whatever 'enforcement' may amount to here, universal condemnation does still carry some political weight, I think.
    But toothless bodies are routinely ignored.

    For example Israel continues to build on Palestinian land, making Palestinians homeless, causing much hardship ...
    ...even despite UN Security Resolutions that they should stop.

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    Default CIA-backed Afghan troops 'committed war crimes': report

    A new report says CIA backed Afghani forces committed war crimes and it’s reported in the UK’s BBC:

    Quote CIA-backed Afghan troops 'committed war crimes': report
    31 October 2019 Asia


    Image copyrightAFP/GETTY An Afghan soldier behind a machine gun mounted on a vehicle during an operation in October 2019
    Image caption Human Rights Watch based its report on dozens of witness and local resident accounts


    Afghan strike forces backed by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) have committed abuses "amounting to war crimes", according to a new report.

    Human Rights Watch (HRW) alleges the troops "committed summary executions and other grave abuses without accountability".

    These include extrajudicial killings, forced disappearances and attacks on healthcare facilities.

    Afghanistan's government told the BBC the current situation was unacceptable.

    Disputing the report, the CIA said its covert operations were carried out in "accordance with law and under a robust system of oversight".

    Both the UN and the New York Times have previously highlighted allegations of abuses by Afghan strike teams.

    This latest report comes after peace talks between the US and the Taliban collapsed in September.

    'I found my house was rubble'

    Two Afghan men from Maidan Wardak province spoke to the BBC about alleged US-backed raids on their home.

    One man named Masihurahman said he lost 12 members of his family, including his wife, four daughters and three sons, when a "huge bomb" was dropped on his village.


    Image copyright BBC PASHTO An Afghan man describes a raid on his home
    Image caption Masihurahman said a "huge bomb" was dropped on his village, killing many of his family members


    "They martyred them all," he said. "When I returned, I found my house in rubble."

    Another man, Wahidullah, said troops broke into his home and dragged him and his family out. He said they took them to the top of a mountain, where Americans "gave them the order" to carry out killings.

    What does the HRW report say?

    HRW's report is based on interviews with dozens of local residents and witnesses to raids throughout Afghanistan, as well as local human rights groups. In full, it is titled: "They've shot many like this: Abusive night raids by CIA-backed Afghan strike forces".

    Seen by the BBC before its release on Thursday, the report documents 14 individual cases between late 2017 and mid-2019 in which CIA-backed Afghan strike forces allegedly committed abuses.

    Forces conducted night raids, in which they dragged people out of their homes without prior warning. Among the allegations are claims they targeted medical staff who treated militants in contested or Taliban-controlled areas, and summarily executed or "forcibly disappeared" people in custody.


    Secunder Kermani reports from one of the country's busiest hospitals in the southern city of Kandahar
    Video caption Secunder Kermani reports from one of the country's busiest hospitals in the southern city of Kandahar


    Moreover, the troops "seem to have unlawfully targeted civilians because of mistaken identity, poor intelligence, or political rivalries in the locality". Civilian casualties from these raids have dramatically increased in the past two years, the report says.

    "They are illustrative of a larger pattern of serious laws-of-war violations - some amounting to war crimes - that extends to all provinces in Afghanistan where these paramilitary forces operate with impunity," it adds.

    According to the report, the CIA has run counter-terrorism operations separate from the US military since 2001. It continues to recruit, arm, train and deploy paramilitary groups to tackle militants across the country, which one diplomat in the report referred to as "death squads".

    Since 2017, the US authorised these groups to call in air strikes even without US forces present, which HRW says has led to more strikes on residential buildings.

    HRW has called on the Afghan government to immediately disband all pro-government armed groups and strike forces, fully investigate the allegations, end attacks on medical facilities and provide compensation to civilian victims.

    What response has there been?

    A spokesman for the Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, told the BBC the government was taking the allegations in the report seriously.

    Separately, Afghanistan's Office of the National Security Council said the HRW report "reflected some realities", but stressed there was "some information that requires clarification".

    "We are undertaking further reform initiatives to enable us to deal with these issues," the office said.

    In a statement, the CIA rejected the HRW report, suggesting many of the allegations were "likely false or exaggerated".

    "We neither condone nor would knowingly participate in illegal activities, and we continually work with our foreign partners to promote adherence to the law," the CIA said.

    What other allegations are there?

    The New York Times published a report on the alleged abuses of these strike forces in December 2018.

    According to the article, these CIA-backed forces have worked "unconstrained by battlefield rules designed to protect civilians", which has undercut US attempts to strengthen Afghanistan's government and institutions.


    The BBC enters Taliban-controlled territory in Faryab province, Afghanistan's 'no-man's land'
    Video caption The BBC enters Taliban-controlled territory in Faryab province, Afghanistan's 'no-man's land'


    One official quoted in the New York Times also "bluntly" accused the groups of war crimes.

    In April 2019, the UN published a report showing for the first time civilian deaths by pro-government forces outstripping those by militants in the first quarter of the year.

    Their report also highlights strike forces backed by "international military forces", reiterating its concern that these groups "appear to act with impunity, outside of the governmental chain of command".

    What's the latest with peace talks?

    Hundreds of thousands have died in Afghanistan since US-led forces toppled the Taliban government in 2001, including tens of thousands of civilians.

    US President Donald Trump seemed close to a deal with the Taliban in September. But the president abruptly called off peace talks after the militants admitted killing a US soldier.

    The Taliban told the BBC their "doors are open" should he wish to resume negotiations . The group has refused to hold talks with Afghanistan's government until a US deal is agreed, as they do not recognise its legitimacy.
    From: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-a...mpression=true
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