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    Quote Posted by boutreality (here)
    The faction that runs the child sex traffic trade in the US, as in many other countries, exists within the CIA, CPS, FBI -local plus other national and international law enforcement and State Department agencies- the work to have these truly small scale gains had and published at all carried on throughout all president's terms from at least Bush I on.
    If you look into the details of these busts they are different, but you have to link them with what is coming out of the Pizzagate investigation on places like Voat.

    One example: Haiti. Haiti is the major hub of human trafficking through the Caribbean. George Webb has been showing all of this in great detail for months. The arrests taking place in Haiti hit directly in areas where the Clinton Foundation was facilitating a lot of dirty stuff, not only forced prostitution and sex trafficking but also mass murder and organ harvesting. We could go into the whole Laura Silsby thing (arrested for human trafficking in Haiti) if you want details linking the Clintons directly to child trafficking, or we could go the Michael and Max Maccoby route (consulting for orphanages that were involved in trafficking operations) and directly link DNC and George Soros operative David Brock (who worked directly for Hillary Clinton's election campaign) and his ex boyfriend James Alefantis to child trafficking that was occurring in Haiti as well.

    Granted that we haven't cleaned everything up in Haiti (yet), but it's a promising start and an indicating that they are continuing to gather evidence. When they do raids like this they are not only making arrests and freeing children but also collecting evidence for trials and further investigations and raids. Like George Webb says, all they have to do is pull the financial records of some of these hotels and orphanages and the whole house of cards will come tumbling down in a major investigation. Certain Haitian politicians have known what is going on for a long time and Trump got a lot of Haitian support during the election, and he pledged to help their people however he could.

    Or we can look at the child trafficking bust at the Detroit Auto Show. This is an interesting case too, because not only was human trafficking going on at an auto show, but Obama himself attended this show last year. That may not sound very significant in itself but Obama is eat up* in the Wikileaks and other Pizzagate-related stuff, everything from ordering $65,000 worth of "hot dogs" from Chicago for a party at the White House (going through the same "channels," in the language of the email), where outside food is not allowed for security reasons, to meeting with James Alefantis types and organizations connected to Clinton Foundation operations in Haiti and elsewhere.

    Child trafficking busts have happened under previous administrations that still managed to protect their own criminal elements for the most part, but at least some of these busts that have been happening lately are qualitatively different in that they tie directly into circles that have become known to public Pizzagate researchers, and these circles touch on lots of household names and people in high places. We'll see if more big names start going down but between all of this, and the Anthony Weiner stuff, the Podestas, Hastert, Epstein, etc., etc., things are not looking good for these people.


    * To be "eat up" in something is a way of saying to be up to your neck in something, to be heavily involved in something. Someone brought it to my attention that this idiom isn't used everywhere so instead of watering down the local dialect I figured I'd just include this note. Thanks.
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    Excellent point, the arrests re: the Clinton foundation (which I'm all for) could not have possibly resulted from an investigation that spanned the duration of Trump's time in office (sworn in less than a month ago) -if they did, they are shams meant to be thrown out of court.

    The progress these arrests and the yet to be heard cases represent can't be tied to any president, the fact that they're going forward can't be tied to anyone in office.
    Members of DoD and Law enforcement responsible for the "advances" aren't voted in, they do the work.
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    Federal law enforcement (such as FBI agents) answer to the Department of Justice (DOJ). The Department of Justice answers to the President of the United States.

    Law enforcement cannot move forward with cases unless the DOJ cooperates.


    Yes, they have had this info for a long time. But that doesn't mean they are allowed to act on it. Remember Loretta Lynch meeting on a plane with Bill Clinton for 30 minutes last year? What do you think that was about, exactly?

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    I'm not sure if you think I'd defend Clinton at all for any reason, if that's the case you're mistaken.

    Timing of events can lead to apperceptions; you're breathing and a drug bust went down outside- and every case pursued by the DoJ, every lead officer/agent involved does not depend on the POTUS to move forward, perhaps the AG has his own agenda and enforces it.

    Ted Gunderson reported that his FBI investigation into a child sex trafficking ring out of LA area preschools was shut down by the CIA as it led them to sex-slave auctions outside Vegas.

    The bureaucracy is formidable and obscures the sets of people that perpetuate the problem, if it could all be cleanly tied back to one office-holder the problem might have ended by now.

    There's no proof that "hands previously tied are now free" -it's a forced play by play commentary shared because it fits the "Trump is our guy" meme.
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    You can believe what you want. In the next few months we're either going to see this develop into something bigger or we're not. Then we'll see whose interpretation of the data was better.

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    I appreciate your info on Haiti and other cases, there's just nothing tying those developments to Trump, and it can't bee seen as "sufficient progress".
    The whole global problem needs to be handled.

    These cases are likely "sacrificial lambs"; false surrenders of a ring that already has in place how that part of their "market" will be served despite the apparent setback, with all the evidence pointing to involvement at the highest echelons of power, it's a logical conclusion.
    Obama/Trump/Clinton- whoever.

    There's no reason to lose hope that things will get better, hope is better placed with people, those that will serve the law and save the children and not in what any one person represents.

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    Justice Department stats: Human Trafficking Bust Since Trump Inaug More Than Double 2014 Year

    Quote Feds Make Record Gains On Human Trafficking As Global Networks Broken Up

    While the mainstream media's attention has been fixed on political drama in Washington D.C., federal and state law enforcement have been quietly working to dismantle a shockingly large number of human trafficking and child abuse networks across the United States. The busts in America come at the same time as a number of other successful international law enforcement operations against networks engaging in human trafficking of women and children.

    Since the inauguration of Donald Trump on January 20th, 2017, the number of trafficking arrests for human trafficking in 2017 have doubled the total numbers provided for the entire year of 2014 by the Department of Justice. Each individual law enforcement operation has been listed below for reader convenience:

    Domestic Trafficking Busts

    January 27th: 42 arrested in Memphis, Tennessee during a human trafficking operation led by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. Arrestees included a medical professional, engineers, a law student, a tow truck driver and construction workers.

    January 29th: 474 arrested, 27 adults and 28 sexually exploited children saved in an operation spearheaded by more than 30 federal, state and local law enforcement agencies and task forces in Los Angeles, California. The bust of the sex ring was the largest human trafficking operation in United States history and was largely ignored by the media.

    On the same day, five individuals were arrested in Bucks County, Pennsylvania as part of what authorities described as a fetish-themed child predator sex ring. The Pennsylvania Attorney General stated that the arrests were part of an ongoing investigation and that they believed the child abuse sex ring involved more victims and predators.

    February 1st: 11 women rescued in an operation lead by the New Orleans Violent Crime against Children and Human Trafficking task force. No arrests were reported.

    February 5th: 108 arrests were reported in Illinois as what was described as part of a national sex trafficking sting operation occurring in 15 different states.

    178 individuals were arrested in Texas on the same day as part of the same John's Suppression Initiative. Arrestees included the sports agent responsible for getting Roger Clemens the highest ever single-season Major League Baseball contract.

    In addition to the arrests in Illinois and Texas, 464 other individuals were arrested in the same interstate operation on Super Bowl Sunday. Police stated that six minors and 86 adults were rescued during the operation.

    February 10th: 160 individuals were arrested during an immigration crackdown in Los Angeles, California. 150 of the individuals arrested had criminal histories, many including child sex offenses.

    February 13th: 22 arrested, 15 adults and 2 child victims saved at Detroit's North American International Auto Show.

    February 14th: The FBI raided the adoption agency European Adoption Consultants (EAC) in Strongsville, Ohio. In December the State Department debarred the agency from continued operation, citing failures "to adequately supervise…preventing the sale, abduction, exploitation, or trafficking of children."

    February 15th: 11 men were arrested during a child sex sting operation in Spotsylvania County, Virginia. One of the arrestees was working part time at a local Christian school.

    42 individuals were also arrested in Polk County, Florida as part of a child pornography and sex offender investigation.

    International Trafficking Busts

    January 27th: 13 individuals were arrested in connection with a pedophile ring in Quebec, Canada. Several of the arrestees held positions as teachers and scout leaders.

    February 5th: 9 individuals were arrested and 31 children and women rescued during a police raid at the Kaliko Beach Club resort in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Users online speculated that the arrests may have been related to an announcement two days earlier from the Clinton Foundation that they would be quitting their projects in Haiti.

    February 10th: Six men aged 20 to 66 were arrested on child pornography charges involving 168 underage male victims in Japan

    February 13th: 16 suspects were arrested and 24 children freed by the Ghanan Police Anti-Human Trafficking Unit (ATHU) from the the Volta Lake in the process of being transported to other parts of the country to be sold into forced labour. Online users have pointed out the the now closed Clinton Global Initiative partnered with a program known as The Post Harvest Project (TPHP) in the Volta Lake area of Ghana, though at this time there is no definitive indication as to whether the arrests were related the project or not.

    Notable Individual Arrests

    February 13th: Jeffery Sandusky, the adopted son of disgraced child abuser Jerry Sandusky, was arrested on child molestation charges. He is accused of solicitation of statutory sexual assault, solicitation of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, six counts of unlawful contact with a minor and two counts each of solicitation to photograph or depict sexual acts, sexual abuse of children and corruption of minors.

    February 15th: A man was arrested in Wayland, New York on charges of Possessing a Sexual Performance of a Child and Promoting Sexual Performance of a Child. Users online speculated that the individual was the Chief Analyst for the New York National Guard after a Linkedin profile was discovered under the same name as the arrestee.

    Additionally, a newly appointed special prosecutor in Cleveland, Ohio reopened over 70 child sex cases according to reports on February 14th. A Jane Doe Plaintiff has also filed a new civil case on January 26th against notorious billionaire pedophile Jeffery Epstein and his associates Ghislaine Maxwell, Lesley Groff, Sarah Kellen, and Natalya Malyshev. The charges relate to the underage sex ring being run by Epstein that was uncovered in 2005. A pretrial conference will occur on March 9, 2017, in New York City.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...etworks-broken


    The difference between the DOJ under Loretta Lynch and the DOJ under Jeff Sessions is already making itself clear.

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    I appreciate your info on Haiti and other cases, there's just nothing tying those developments to Trump, and it can't bee seen as "sufficient progress".
    I realize you're not a fan of Trump and that's apparently the only issue you have with what I'm posting, since I guess he can't possibly be an agent for positive change in Washington. But I have a question for you, and I'm curious what your answer is.

    Loretta Lynch (Obama's Attorney General, head of the DOJ) was responsible for prosecutions resulting from FBI investigations. Bill Clinton met with her privately on a plane for 30 minutes during the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton.

    Why do you think that happened?

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    These cases are the result of footwork and investigations that may have lasted for more than half of Obama's time in office! At any time they could have been shut down! -And not just by the President or the AG- they weren't. When it's an international case the decision to prosecute may not lie with US officials.

    And that doesn't mean I like Obama either.

    "Agent" for positive change in Washington -singular- when it comes to sex trafficking will lead to no lasting improvement, because it's one person.

    Agents for positive change will, you think Trump is one of them I don't- he's a patsy for the side we're both on and he has no choice.

    Loretta Lynch-

    I quite directly don't care- perhaps Clinton paid her to get off it and maybe she did. Maybe she was being stalled by a pro-Clinton interest that foresaw an ability to redirect the course of things once Hillary was in office- that's likely.

    Let's call for an investigation into her AND Obama's involvement because if there was obstruction of justice it's a factor that ought to be removed.
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    These cases are the result of footwork and investigations that may have lasted for more than half of Obama's time in office! At any time they could have been shut down! -And not just by the President or the AG- they weren't.
    If you look up the Franklin cover-up, or Ted Gunderson, or the Boys Town stuff in Nebraska, people in law enforcement have known about this stuff and been investigating it and trying to prosecute it for decades.

    Federal investigators have known about this stuff for decades and have been prevented from acting on it. If there is a sudden increase in prosecutions of these cases this year, the only thing that has changed administratively to explain it is the fact that the Trump administration now controls the DOJ and oversees the FBI.

    Quote Loretta Lynch-

    I quite directly don't care-
    Well you should because the fact that the DOJ can throw the FBI off of prosecutions negates your entire argument that it's only career investigators who are responsible for prosecutions. Obviously there is a level of administrative control and they can't just prosecute everybody they have evidence on.

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    More progress has been going on behind the scenes for decades that yielded these public results.
    Trump is just a guy in office.

    Head of the FBI oversees the FBI. Head of CIA oversees CIA- station chiefs oversee segments of goings on and have powers unto themselves to steer and shut down inquiries.
    AG's change with administrations, oversight of DoJ has to counteract actions of lower level partisans wishing to steer investigation in name of favorable results.
    And that whole process takes longer than one month, the intervening to force continued investigations over the wishes of more immediate superiors is required, it had to be going on before the 20th of this year; it's continual and is done in many cases I'm sure in ways that supervene the input of a given administration.

    Re: Loretta Lynch, I offered a few hypotheticals, though it can't be certain and that's why I don't care. If you have a few of your own feel free to share.
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    You still don't get the point and I'm going to stop repeating myself after this post. The DOJ has control over which prosecutions move forward and which don't.

    Quote More progress has been going on behind the scenes for decades that yielded these public results.
    I just gave you 3 examples of investigations from decades ago (Gunderson's, Boys Town, Franklin cover-up) which resulted in zero prosecutions. Because the DOJ of those past administrations didn't do anything with the info. This should be very easy to understand.

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    The Gunderson investigation was reported as shut down by the CIA - no one in office.
    The Boystown and Franklin cover-up were investigations that died before they got before a judge, no link to anyone in office (presidents anyway) -in one of those cases I'm pretty sure the State's governor stepped in to shut it down.
    These investigations could have been (and in some cases signs are they were) stamped out by people MUCH lower on the totem pole than POTUS or AG.
    One does not equal the other.

    They were stopped then, it seems investigations of this type are not being stopped now (now as in the last five years) owing to progress that apparently took decades to gain.

    You are not negating my contention that your linking Trump to "moving" on investigations that had to have been ongoing since before he took office, saying "this is because" is specious reasoning at best.

    -This is a claim you never satisfactorily answered for, I too wish to stop repeating myself. Unless that's why you introduced Loretta Lynch into the fray and as I said "Bring her, Clinton and Obama up on obstruction charges then".

    It's clear we are on two sides of this and we can both agree that this thread is not about Trump, you mentioned him in the first place.

    My take: you're playing the "Trump card" results from the "this guy is better than that guy" psyop that's in play every time a new person is elected president, yours is I'm refusing to see your side.

    I've responsibly answered to your take while respectfully disagreeing- Trump does not belong in this discussion. I've made my case as to why. This is rightly the end of our "sidebar."

    And as we both have agreed: "Time will tell if this reaches Podesta; Epstein; etc"
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    Maybe there is another reality-one where Hillary won the election. Maybe some folks would rather be in that reality. I prefer this reality with Trump as President and Sessions as Attorney General.

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    I prefer this one too, Hillary is only alive through her connections (my take).

    The unending "it's black or white" exchanges in forums like this are tiring, there are pronounced nuances when it comes to power in a pluralistic nation.
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    The difference between the DOJ under Loretta Lynch and the DOJ under Jeff Sessions is already making itself clear.
    Keep in mind, many of these arrests occurred before Sessions was sworn in

    Oh and also: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...nominee-235089

    Quote President Donald Trump on Thursday announced his intent to nominate Alexander Acosta, a former Justice Department official and current dean of Florida International University College of Law, for labor secretary, just a day after his first pick, fast-food CEO Andrew Puzder, backed out.

    Acosta has strong backing from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) In a statement, Rubio said: “I know Alex Acosta well, and he is a phenomenal choice to lead the Department of Labor."

    But he could receive scrutiny over the plea deal he cut with wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein. Acosta’s prosecutors agreed not to file any federal charges against Epstein if he pleaded guilty to state charges involving soliciting prostitution and soliciting a minor for prostitution.

    Epstein ultimately received an 18-month sentence in county jail and served about 13 months. Soon after the deal was cut in 2008, two women filed suit claiming that the decision to forgo federal prosecution violated a federal law — the Crime Victims Rights Act — because they and other teenagers Epstein paid for sex were never adequately consulted about the plea deal or given an opportunity to object to it.
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    Quote Posted by 7alon (here)
    Keep in mind, many of these arrests occurred before Sessions was sworn in
    Jeff Sessions was in contact with a lot of the people in law enforcement he was going to be working with before Trump even took office, and some of the inside info coming out during that time from people like Roger Stone, was through Sessions' office.

    There is a lot of complicated stuff that has been going on, but what is not complicated is the fact that there is a fundamental split in many parts of the US government right now between real patriots and people who are total criminal sell outs and they know that they are. The incoming Trump administration and all of its allies already embedded in government positions weren't waiting for him to take office before they began organizing (or even to win the election -- where do you think the DNC hack came from?), and after he was sworn in I don't think various elements of law enforcement bothered to wait to start taking action on their own.

    Like we were talking about above, the info itself isn't new. A lot of this pedophilia ring stuff has been in professional documentaries naming names and all the rest. The reason no one acts on it is because of blackmail and control from above through blackmail. When you can't blackmail the guy at the very top of the system then that changes things immediately.

    Quote President Donald Trump on Thursday announced his intent to nominate Alexander Acosta, a former Justice Department official and current dean of Florida International University College of Law, for labor secretary, just a day after his first pick, fast-food CEO Andrew Puzder, backed out.

    Acosta has strong backing from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) In a statement, Rubio said: “I know Alex Acosta well, and he is a phenomenal choice to lead the Department of Labor."

    But he could receive scrutiny over the plea deal he cut with wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein. Acosta’s prosecutors agreed not to file any federal charges against Epstein if he pleaded guilty to state charges involving soliciting prostitution and soliciting a minor for prostitution.

    Epstein ultimately received an 18-month sentence in county jail and served about 13 months. Soon after the deal was cut in 2008, two women filed suit claiming that the decision to forgo federal prosecution violated a federal law — the Crime Victims Rights Act — because they and other teenagers Epstein paid for sex were never adequately consulted about the plea deal or given an opportunity to object to it.
    There is a lot of this kind of thing going on (just like the Goldman Sachs appointees) though I don't think it means what people think it does. You have to put all of this information in context and the greater context doesn't change with one piece of information. In other words these people are most definitely not being elevated to continue business as usual. If anyone thinks that is what is going on then they really just aren't paying very close attention.

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    Interesting interview with a DHS 'insider' in which he/she ties Israel, Mossad and the CIA to the whole 'pedogate' thing..

    http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/02/...h_dhs_insider/

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    "Voice...."-

    Right! -A lot of these things going on have been going on, they're continuing, and you don't nominate who won't pass confirmation hearings. (In regards to the Goldman Sachs appointees.) You do your best to set them up, if you're forced to accept them and you keep careful account of where their and your support lies each move.

    NWO fixtures are being circumvented through whatever logistical means possible that preserves the most lives and that process didn't magically start on the 20th last month.
    People outwardly responsible for certain choices may have no choice whatsoever in the matter.

    From my view it likely started under Bush II, if not Clinton (hopefully), and the problem was much more deep rooted than it is now and its roots still run deep.
    -And it wasn't because of those presidents either, it didn't continue because of Obama.

    Improvements when it comes to this sort of concealed enemy are hard fought and slow earned, if they aren't things get real messy.
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    explosive if true....

    Former CIA Operative: Trump Is Battling Pedophile Network



    Published on 16 Feb 2017
    Alex Jones talks with former CIA operative Robert David Steele about Donald
    Trump's ongoing war against the pedophile elite in Washington.
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