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    Thanks for taking on the questions TargetT..

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    First of all, I communicate often with my guides and angels who collectively know the future, although I don't always trust their opinions. They told me 8 months ago that Trump would be the next president of the United States. They only wavered this mid-summer for a few months, when they thought it was a toss-up, then closer to the election they were certain again that Trump would win. So I kept looking at his astrological chart and also checked in on his soul situation (one very high soul in the mix). His chart has an extremely important feature that for those familiar with astrology will recognize, but for those who aren't I will explain:

    His Sun is conjunct (at almost the same position) as his Uranus in house # 10 of the pie chart. Uranian energy is nonconformist, rebellious, but creative, and inventive. Doesn't that fit the picture? With this nonconforming energy at the same position of the sky with his Sun, his outward expression, and in the sign of Gemini, which emphasizes the intellect, the talker, the teacher, we can get a simple understanding of who he is. But in addition to that, in Vedic (East Indian) astrology, Trump has just entered into the most fortunate period of his life, starting three weeks ago, with his entry into Jupiter Dasa (a long period of expansion, good luck, etc.) for the next 20 years!

    Before the election what really had me elated is a video by Trey Smith, which I shared on another thread, but it is too good to just hide there. So here it is again:

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    Quote Posted by sunwings (here)
    In an earlier post jagman you wrote Donald wins on election night. What changed with the numbers?

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    Quote Posted by Sierra (here)
    So you actually think Drumpf is Not Part of the Establishment, being used to drive us into the arms of Clinton?

    One word: Suckers

    Women are going to make sure Drumpf doesn't win, but the alternative is just as bad. Clinton for president?

    One word: Gross

    There is no polarity here. There is only the system giving us fake "choices" that ensure the system wins.

    Whoever wins, it will continue to suck, big time. In case you hadn't noticed, a change in power, produces no change. The agenda flows as usual, downhill, with ever increasing velocity. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the middle class dwindles, and the genocidal agenda against the planet Earth and the human race continues without pause.

    I've never watched Megyn Kelly, but I'm sure I have Drumpf Derangement Syndrome, and proud of it!

    I'll be so glad when the voting day circus has come and gone. Then we can quit "destroying" each other with lions and tigers and bears, oh my.

    A real Man's man? Seriously?

    Be careful, you might return as a woman married to Drumpf's next incarnation.

    I swore to myself I would not get involved in the political porn, but geez, please wake up!

    Trust me lol, Drumpf is Hilary's best friend, ever. Whoever set up this scenario is brilliant.

    No matter who wins, we lose.

    Sierra
    Sorry to disappoint Sierra but I already did the numbers for Donald and Hillary
    and Donald wins on election day!

    When I stated this to Sierra, I was flat wrong!!!
    I only Looked at Trumps numbers and they were
    so good that I didn't think Hillary could win but
    later after looking at Hillarys numbers.......
    Well you could say, Her numbers were off the charts
    ridiculously good, and to tell the truth, I felt such a
    bad disdain for Hillary I could not bear to speak or
    write the words " Hillary will be President"

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    If Hillary won, It would have been a dire world. So much evil there. After Berney, something changed in me and I started to want Trump to win. I feel so much better knowing he will be in charge. The planet was going way down hill with Hillary on line. I thank God she is gone. Maybe forces ARE coming to our aid. We sure need it with so many despots .,chem trails ,species dying at unsustainable rates. Trump and his asso. don't need to try and get to the top because they are already there and successful. God speed
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    I do not think we are out of the woods just yet.
    I'm not going to exhale until Trump is in office and has finished his inauguration.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INaQr6dvnLo





    Oh and for the record I did not think Trump would win.
    I've never witnessed a media onslaught as we have seen in this election, the media was so focused on the assassination of Trump's character, I did not think Trump could overcome this.
    And now we have Obama saying a review is being ordered so as the intelligence agency looks into the possibility of Russian hacking interfering with vote counts in the election.
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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    To establish enough unity, i.e. a crowd large enough that can then use this hidden knowlege to create a common reality that brings justice and fairness to all means that mathematical formulas are a must, or everyone will wander in an endlessly incoherent world of their inner and very personal imagination, never finding common ground, but the strongest imposing their vision on the weakest.
    This is ok, and should not be denied, but only up to a point, where adulthood begins. By itself it simply cannot solve the collective problems facing the world today.
    I was with you up until this point. What do you mean, that mathematical formulas will save us from wandering in endless incoherence?

    I see a consciousness shift being the only way to solve the collective problems we face - meaning a shift that leads to people's effortless, natural proclivities to love each other and create heaven on earth. In every instance of change making I have been personally involved in or observed, I see business as usual perpetuated by the minds of those who wish to escape the trappings of a world they were born into and inevitably honed by.

    "The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House." - Audre Lorde.

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    First of all, I communicate often with my guides and angels who collectively know the future, although I don't always trust their opinions. They told me 8 months ago that Trump would be the next president of the United States. They only wavered this mid-summer for a few months, when they thought it was a toss-up, then closer to the election they were certain again that Trump would win.
    With love, I ask, please, why do you communicate with guides that you do not trust? And why would these guides, from their apparent higher perspective, be so inconsistent with their intel?

    I ask this because I myself struggle with concept like "intuition" "guidance" etc. and I just cannot understand how we can truly believe whatever guidance we are getting.

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Yes, my alternate selves attest to this fact.

    I take the crap so they can further themselves.

    This entity I am has splintered off the timelines countless times, clearing the route for my alternate selves in alternate realities. It is theonly thing that keeps me going. They are appreciative of my function. Sometimes they throw me a bone to help me get by.

    They are going to owe me big time when I get back from this lifetime.

    Do timelines split? oh yes they do - continuously.
    I cannot say that I know exactly what you are talking about here, but I can relate to your sentiment!

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    To establish enough unity, i.e. a crowd large enough that can then use this hidden knowlege to create a common reality that brings justice and fairness to all means that mathematical formulas are a must, or everyone will wander in an endlessly incoherent world of their inner and very personal imagination, never finding common ground, but the strongest imposing their vision on the weakest.
    This is ok, and should not be denied, but only up to a point, where adulthood begins. By itself it simply cannot solve the collective problems facing the world today.
    I was with you up until this point. What do you mean, that mathematical formulas will save us from wandering in endless incoherence?

    I see a consciousness shift being the only way to solve the collective problems we face - meaning a shift that leads to people's effortless, natural proclivities to love each other and create heaven on earth. In every instance of change making I have been personally involved in or observed, I see business as usual perpetuated by the minds of those who wish to escape the trappings of a world they were born into and inevitably honed by.

    "The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House." - Audre Lorde.
    Subjective experiences are personal, and cannot be communicated with enough precision to get others convinced as well. Math, and numbers, are a means to get an agreement. Take temperatures, for instance.
    Someone says "hot day, today". Well, he can only speak for himself, as the next guy may have just stepped off a plane from India, and actually finds it a pleasant cool experience.
    So if someone says instead my thermometer says " it's 25 degees Celsius" then they both can relate.
    Equally I have found that the most loving and enlightened people who have issues with maths, and the precision of numbers, can easily switch emotionally to a hostile stance when their expectations aren't met.
    People with a more scientific attitude can remain calm, leave puzzling issues on a shelf for later perusal, and generally have an attitude that appreciates the unity which a genuine consensus can generate.

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Subjective experiences are personal, and cannot be communicated with enough precision to get others convinced as well. Math, and numbers, are a means to get an agreement. Take temperatures, for instance. Someone says "hot day, today". Well, he can only speak for himself, as the next guy may have just stepped off a plane from India, and actually finds it a pleasant cool experience.
    So if someone says instead my thermometer says " it's 25 degees Celsius" then they both can relate.
    Equally I have found that the most loving and enlightened people who have issues with maths, and the precision of numbers, can easily switch emotionally to a hostile stance when their expectations aren't met.
    People with a more scientific attitude can remain calm, leave puzzling issues on a shelf for later perusal, and generally have an attitude that appreciates the unity which a genuine consensus can generate.
    AH okay now I understand thank you for explaining! In that case, let's all hope for a timeline in which we are no longer required to believe that 2 + 2 equals 5 (as in 1984)

    What I now do not understand is how you could consider somebody to be the "most loving and enlightened" when they react in a hostile manner to opposing views, or to mathematics. Their hostile reaction would be a pointer, in my opinion, to the fact that they are not as loving and enlightened as they at first glance appeared to be.

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    Quote Posted by The Freedom Train (here)
    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Subjective experiences are personal, and cannot be communicated with enough precision to get others convinced as well. Math, and numbers, are a means to get an agreement. Take temperatures, for instance. Someone says "hot day, today". Well, he can only speak for himself, as the next guy may have just stepped off a plane from India, and actually finds it a pleasant cool experience.
    So if someone says instead my thermometer says " it's 25 degees Celsius" then they both can relate.
    Equally I have found that the most loving and enlightened people who have issues with maths, and the precision of numbers, can easily switch emotionally to a hostile stance when their expectations aren't met.
    People with a more scientific attitude can remain calm, leave puzzling issues on a shelf for later perusal, and generally have an attitude that appreciates the unity which a genuine consensus can generate.
    AH okay now I understand thank you for explaining! In that case, let's all hope for a timeline in which we are no longer required to believe that 2 + 2 equals 5 (as in 1984)

    What I now do not understand is how you could consider somebody to be the "most loving and enlightened" when they react in a hostile manner to opposing views, or to mathematics. Their hostile reaction would be a pointer, in my opinion, to the fact that they are not as loving and enlightened as they at first glance appeared to be.
    Their hostility is often concealed until later. Sometimes their agenda is conscious, and aimed at particular targets, and sometimes their hostility comes from a fragmented part of their personality they are not in the least aware of.
    To get to an inner state of integrity (bringing all the various aspects of the personality under one single umbrella) one needs to observe the self and its responses in a variety of circumstances, until real knowledge of self is attained.
    Most acts of loving kindness are done for the sake of bolstering self-image, i.e. Ego, to feel good about oneself, and perhaps even seek redemption for their mess-ups. The main thing is to be vigilant or on guard against irrational impulses, since we don't know where they originate. The same goes for sentimentality, which is equally dangerous, as it is often the result of societal brainwashing.

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    See my response further down in this thread.
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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    First of all, I communicate often with my guides and angels who collectively know the future, although I don't always trust their opinions. They told me 8 months ago that Trump would be the next president of the United States. They only wavered this mid-summer for a few months, when they thought it was a toss-up, then closer to the election they were certain again that Trump would win.

    The Freedom Train asked:
    "With love, I ask, please, why do you communicate with guides that you do not trust? And why would these guides, from their apparent higher perspective, be so inconsistent with their intel?

    I ask this because I myself struggle with concept like "intuition" "guidance" etc. and I just cannot understand how we can truly believe whatever guidance we are getting."

    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    It has been the focus of my professional life for the past 26 years to understand and communicate with guides and angels. I have had many opportunities to test their abilities and knowledge. They are not uniformly cognizant of the future, but just as I ask a few close 3D friends opinions about this or that, I have come to know who to trust on the other side. Practice makes perfect.
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    Their hostility is often concealed until later. Sometimes their agenda is conscious, and aimed at particular targets, and sometimes their hostility comes from a fragmented part of their personality they are not in the least aware of.
    To get to an inner state of integrity (bringing all the various aspects of the personality under one single umbrella) one needs to observe the self and its responses in a variety of circumstances, until real knowledge of self is attained.
    Most acts of loving kindness are done for the sake of bolstering self-image, i.e. Ego, to feel good about oneself, and perhaps even seek redemption for their mess-ups. The main thing is to be vigilant or on guard against irrational impulses, since we don't know where they originate. The same goes for sentimentality, which is equally dangerous, as it is often the result of societal brainwashing.
    Right on, I see your points, and I absolutely agree that integrity and self awareness are vital to our development as individuals.

    Still, the traits you are describing (fragmented personalities, concealed hostilities, lack of self awareness) do not sound to me like those of a truly enlightened person. However, I have yet to meet anybody like that myself, so I guess all I have to go by are my assumptions about enlightenment and what that would look like (IMO - non reactive, unconditionally loving, incapable of recreating duality and dysfunction, unattached).

    Maybe the whole idea of enlightenment is a farce and we are being goaded on by an impossibility - I can only hope that this is not so. Otherwise, how can we ever hope for anything better than the **** storm we are currently living in - watching history repeat itself in various iterations and forms ad infinitum?

    True enlightenment in an individual may be incredibly rare, but all I can do is hope that it will not remain so over the coming years. I see that we are all in this together. I feel like we are all deserving of freedom from suffering. And I would like to see a massive shift in consciousness that leads to a natural, effortless change in the status quo - the unfoldment of the utopian ideal many of us yearn for. That would be my dream come true.

    Your allusions to the questionable originations of impulses reminds me of the mind control programming and psychotronic tampering that I have been learning about within the past year - right you are, it is difficult to know what to trust or believe in, and vigilance appears to be a handy tool.

    As far as loving kindness goes. Well, shucks. I cannot argue against your point, but I would like to suggest that it doesn't seem too bad that we pursue things in life that make us feel good about ourselves - especially if those things involve helping others in kind and loving ways. Loving self does seem to have value, IMO. Why would we not consider ourselves as worthy of love as those around us? The oppressive agenda that tells us we are unlovable and unworthy keeps us in suffering and despair. From that place, we become broken and ineffective, combative and divisive. I am not trying to argue for vanity and conceit here, just the simple recognition that when we choose to have love and compassion for ourselves, we find a way towards a freedom that few of us have ever known in its entirety.

    I hope you do not take my response as any disrespect - I truly appreciate your points. And I do see the value in mathematics. I am certain that many phenomenon that are today considered "mystical" could be explained scientifically, mathematically - and probably will be some day.

    I wonder, though. Do you think there is an equation for unconditional love?

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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    t has been the focus of my professional life for the past 26 years to understand and communicate with guides and angels. I have had many opportunities to test their abilities and knowledge. They are not uniformly cognizant of the future, but just as I ask a few close 3D friends opinions about this or that, I have come to know who to trust on the other side. Practice makes perfect.
    Thank you so much for explaining your process and this phenomenon to me, it puts things in perspective for me (as an intuitive sensitive myself). This makes a lot of sense!!!

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    Quote Posted by Gillian (here)
    I think the timeline shifts frequently, not only globally, but personally.
    Indeed

    Over recent weeks.. I have observed at least 3 changes to the timeline I am familiar with that baffle me...
    Just what is going on?
    Exciting times..
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    In my experience Timelines change each time a human beings takes a second to breath and think before acting. That said. I am happy we got Trump over Hillary over the wild blue yonder. As for a change on the horizon of us all as a collective experience? I'm still very much in doubt.. It all feels as if dust is settling, people slowly begin to breath again. It all does feel very artificial.

    As if an AI has found a better way to elude us into sleep instead of waking us up.
    Hope i'm mistaken though..

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    It all does feel very artificial.

    As if an AI has found a better way to elude us into sleep instead of waking us up.
    Yes perhaps you are speaking here of the very nature of our oppressed existence as mind controlled human slaves to a secret alien agenda!

    One of my tentative personal theories is that the mantids greys and reps are organic creations/slave races of an AI (the archons). The reps then created humans as a slave race, and are being used by the archons to control us.

    So the question is, is there light at the end of the tunnel? Do the AI's have an algorithm for unconditional love and awakening? Are the AI's affected by these phenomena?

    I wanted to make mention that, regarding my own astrological charts, I am no longer a match to much of what it talks about. It is like I am reading a story about a person I used to be. Wondering what the deal is there, and if it has anything to do with the trends jagman has noticed.

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    If AI created those malevolent three ET races, and we were created as a slave race, then our soul family was very happy to jump in and use this slave species for experience in this manifest 3D realm. Doesnt sound reasonable to me, unless you consider the creator to be an AI, which i dont. An AI wouldnt give a crap about unselfish love.

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    Default Re: I Think Something Has Gone Wrong With Our Timeline...

    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    If AI created those malevolent three ET races, and we were created as a slave race, then our soul family was very happy to jump in and use this slave species for experience in this manifest 3D realm. Doesnt sound reasonable to me, unless you consider the creator to be an AI, which i dont. An AI wouldnt give a crap about unselfish love.
    You are right - unselfish love would be an anomaly in a world created by an AI.

    I guess I should have gone into more depth with my explanations.

    My theory involves the concept of what I call "creation bubbles" - wherein entire universes are bound in unique, individual "cells." Each universe is a product of a different "creator" - which if we think about the fact that every day we are all also creating as individual humans, is not too too hard to imagine. And as my theory goes, the creator of all original matter within our creation bubble is a source of unselfish/unconditional/Divine love.

    The Archons, I theorize, were injected into this creation bubble. It was an invasion from a different source of creation.

    This may help explain why humans do have an inherent goodness to them - a potential for redemption and emotion. Our bodies were made of the stuff of this world - and all of the original stuff of this world was created out of love. SO despite the fact that we were made as a slave race, and despite the fact that we are being mind controlled and manipulated, we have a sense that, at heart, we are pure and good, because we are made of the stuff of this world of love.

    Please keep in mind that I have nothing really to back this up - it is just a theory that came to mind one night as I was thinking about love and evil, and wondering why things are the way they are.

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