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    I always thought strip mining was a pejorative term, "surface mining" seems like some PC bull **** you say to not piss people off.

    The majority of mines I saw were subsurface & followed mineral veins, strip mining (surface mining, mountain removal) is pretty ecologically devastating; far too invasive **in MOST areas**.


    However, I do think all this "bringing coal back" is just more 4d chess and that the regulation removal has a different goal in mind.

    (coal isn't coming back, there's just no way).
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    People's Action ( the non-profit that has also been campaigning for Standing Rock) posted the following to their email list today (2/7/18)
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    People are going to die if Trump’s latest idea sees the light of day. If you or someone you know receives Medicaid, then join us in expressing outrage.

    Trump wants to limit the number of months that low-income adults have access to Medicaid benefits. He allowed Republican governors in Kentucky and Indiana to impose work requirements for Medicaid enrollees. Now ten more states have lined up for federal waivers. Trump and Medicaid administrator Seema Verma are considering letting states put lifetime caps on Medicaid benefits. First in line for waivers are Arizona, Kansas, Maine, Utah and Wisconsin.

    Your state could be next.

    You heard that right. In the middle of the opioid epidemic, Trump wants to limit the amount of health care that low-income adults can get in their lifetime. People get sicker as they get older. The result will be a massive crisis in cities and states as poor people lose their health care.

    People’s Action believes that health care is a human right. We fought and won Medicaid expansion in many states, most recently protecting 70,000 people by ballot measure in Maine. On July 30, 1965, President Johnson signed the Social Security Amendments which established Medicare and Medicaid, promising that they would "improve a wide range of health and medical services for Americans of all ages." And it worked.

    Under Trump’s plan, low-wage workers who do not get health care through their jobs could reach their Medicaid maximum even though they are working. Employers who pay low wages and don’t provide health care will not be penalized. But their workers will be.

    The point of this is to shred the safety net to pay for the tax scam that gave the wealthy and Big Pharma a permanent tax break. We will fight Trump and his administration tooth and nail to prevent time limits, work requirements, eligibility lockouts and other policies that seek to limit Medicaid.
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    Trump’s go-to law firm is suing Greenpeace and others with a “SLAPP” suit
    Earth Rights International sent this alert to their email list today:
    Quote Last week, our Director Katie Redford spoke on a panel in Washington, D.C. alongside fellow activists from Greenpeace USA, the Center for Constitutional Rights, Open Society Foundations, and Stand.earth to discuss how corporations are deploying the law to threaten those that dare speak against them.
    Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation (SLAPP) is a tool used by corporations to intimidate and silence their critics. These lawsuits pose a great threat to the organizations and activists diligently working to protect human rights and the environment. Corporations that file SLAPP suits are sending a clear message to organizations and activists: If you speak out against us, we’ll take you to court.
    (Watch Robert Reich break down SLAPP suits in this short video.)

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    Trump’s go-to law firm is suing Greenpeace and others with a “SLAPP” suit. The company behind the Dakota Access pipeline is using this as a way to try and erase the history of the Indigenous-led peaceful protests that took place at Standing Rock — but we are not going to let that happen.

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    Target, thanks for your assessments. They are appreciated muchly. Do you have any idea what 'they' have in mind when it comes to deregulation of the coal mining industry?
    It seems more targeted at mineral extraction in general, Coal is just the vehicle to "get us there".

    Not sure what it's about other than "not really about coal"; I haven't given much deeper research time to this topic.
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    It seems more targeted at mineral extraction in general, Coal is just the vehicle to "get us there".

    Not sure what it's about other than "not really about coal"; I haven't given much deeper research time to this topic.
    Agreed - mineral extraction in general.

    The coal angle is played up, since there's more coal miners (present or former) in the population than miners of most other minerals.

    A key way that the US will dig its way out of the great "balance of trade" hole we're in is through using its land, to farm, mine and drill for oil (including on the north slope of Alaska and along the coastline of the US).

    We've shipped much of our manufacturing to foreign lands, and we've been depending on our military, banks, intelligence, and drug businesses, supporting King Dollar, to pay for our imports. With the death of King Dollar, that gig won't continue to work, and we (the US) will have to find some other way to make our way in this world. Our standard of living will decline, and we'll sell whatever we can find to sell.

    The Federal Government has been "preparing" for this day, spending the last few decades acquiring large portions of land in the Western US, which I suppose can be "sold" to the highest (or most corrupt) bidder, rather as happened in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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    Paul, exactly. Trump is the American version of Boris Yeltsin.

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    Paul, exactly. Trump is the American version of Boris Yeltsin.
    I doubt trump had very much to do with what seems to be a very long term strategy (BLM land grabs, huge shipping corridors being put in to Mexican ports... someone knew, or had SERIOUS contingency plans in place a long time ago).
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    Let's think of Trump as the Wrecking Ball....we'll see where the pieces fall!

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    Paul, exactly. Trump is the American version of Boris Yeltsin.
    By my current political and personal leanings, I tend to cheer Trump on, but from a more cynical view, I wouldn't deny that Trump is but an actor, who "struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more." Well ... surely you'd agree at least that his strut is well accomplished .

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    I doubt trump had very much to do with what seems to be a very long term strategy (BLM land grabs, huge shipping corridors being put in to Mexican ports... someone knew, or had SERIOUS contingency plans in place a long time ago).
    Agreed - we're embedded in patterns, strategies, cycles, ... that stretch back decades, if not generations, centuries or millenia.

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    I sometimes think of Trump as the front man for a bankruptcy proceeding.
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    Target, thanks for your assessments. They are appreciated muchly. Do you have any idea what 'they' have in mind when it comes to deregulation of the coal mining industry?
    It seems more targeted at mineral extraction in general, Coal is just the vehicle to "get us there".

    Not sure what it's about other than "not really about coal"; I haven't given much deeper research time to this topic.
    Saw a report last night that a company from Canada is moving drilling equipment into south dakota to extract gold
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    Well, Paul....I'd say we DO have the Businessman in who can navigate us through all this. I was listening to Thomas Paine recount to Lionel how much Trump has "saved" for us already! Not having a business mind, it's hard for me to comprehend how all this works!

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    Trump’s Big Buyback Bamboozle
    Friday, February 09, 2018
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    Now that the richest 10 percent of Americans own 84 percent of all shares of stock (up from 77 percent at the turn of the century), this means even more wealth at the top.
    The new tax law is giving America’s wealthy not one but two big windfalls: They stand to gain the most from the tax cuts for individuals, and they’re the big winners from the tax cuts for corporations.

    Trump’s promise that corporations will use his giant new tax cut to make new investments and raise workers’ wages is proving to be about as truthful as his promise to release his tax returns.

    The results are coming in, and guess what? Almost all the extra money is going into stock buybacks. Since the tax cut became law, buy-backs have surged to $88.6 billion. That’s more than double the amount of buybacks in the same period last year, according to data provided by Birinyi Associates.

    Compare this to the paltry $2.5 billion of employee bonuses corporations say they’ll dispense in response to the tax law, and you see the bonuses for what they are – a small fig leaf to disguise the big buybacks.

    If anything, the current tumult in the stock market will fuel even more buybacks.

    Stock buybacks are corporate purchases of their own shares of stock. Corporations do this to artificially prop up their share prices.

    Buybacks are the corporate equivalent of steroids. They may make shareholders feel better than otherwise, but nothing really changes.

    Money spent on buybacks isn’t reinvested in new equipment, research, or factories. Buybacks don’t add jobs or raise wages. They don’t increase productivity. They don’t grow the American economy.

    Yet CEOs love buybacks because most CEO pay is now in shares of stock and stock options rather than cash. So when share prices go up, executives reap a bonanza.

    At the same time, the value of CEO pay from previous years also rises, in what amounts to a retroactive (and off the books) pay increase – on top of their already humongous compensation packages.

    Big investors also love buybacks because they increase the value of their stock portfolios. Now that the richest 10 percent of Americans own 84 percent of all shares of stock (up from 77 percent at the turn of the century), this means even more wealth at the top.

    Buybacks used to be illegal. The Securities and Exchange considered them unlawful means of manipulating stock prices, in violation of the Securities Acts of 1933 and 1934.

    In those days, the typical corporation put about half its profits into research and development, plant and equipment, worker retraining, additional jobs, and higher wages.

    But under Ronald Reagan, who rhapsodized about the “magic of the market,” the SEC legalized buybacks.

    After that, buybacks took off. Just in the past decade, 94 percent of corporate profits have been devoted to buybacks and dividends, according to researchers at the Academic-Industry Research Network.

    Last year, big American corporations spent a record $780 billion buying back their shares of stock.

    And that was before the new tax law.

    Put another way, the new tax law is giving America’s wealthy not one but two big windfalls: They stand to gain the most from the tax cuts for individuals, and they’re the big winners from the tax cuts for corporations.

    This isn’t just unfair. It’s also bad for the economy as a whole. Corporations don’t invest because they get tax cuts. They invest because they expect that customers will buy more of their goods and services.

    This brings us to the underlying problem. Companies haven’t been investing – and have been using their profits to buy back their stock instead – because they doubt their investments will pay off in additional sales.

    That’s because most economic gains have been going to the wealthy, and the wealthy spend a far smaller percent of their income than the middle class and the poor. When most gains go to the top, there’s not enough demand to justify a lot of new investment.

    Which also means that as long as public policies are tilted to the benefit of those at the top – as is Trump’s tax cut, along with Reagan’s legalization of stock buybacks – we’re not going to see much economic growth.

    We’re just going to have more buybacks and more inequality.

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    Stop Ivanka Trump and Marco Rubio from cutting Social Security benefits
    The petition to Congress reads:
    “Pitting paid family leave against Social Security is a cruel false choice. Reject Marco Rubio’s plan to pay for paid family leave by cutting Social Security benefits.”
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    Quote Sen. Marco Rubio and Ivanka Trump are coming after your Social Security benefits. The pair is reportedly building congressional support for a proposal that would require people to accept a cut in their future Social Security benefits in exchange for six weeks of paid parental leave.1

    This is a cruel false choice. The richest country on the planet can afford to ensure that both new parents and our senior citizens are able to meet their basic needs.

    We must build overwhelming opposition to the cold-hearted Rubio-Trump proposal before it gains traction in Congress.

    Tell Congress: Don’t pit Social Security against paid family leave. Click here to sign the petition:
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    New parents should not have to choose between caring for their children and keeping their jobs. Yet more than 25 years after Congress passed the Family and Medical Leave Act – which requires some employers to allow employees to take up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to attend to family-related matters – the United States remains the only industrialized nation in the world that does not offer all citizens paid family leave.2

    Paid family leave is a good, progressive policy that CREDO supports. But we can’t allow Sen. Rubio and Ivanka Trump to pit paid family leave against Social Security. As Social Security Works President Nancy Altman put it, “our country can afford to increase, not cut, Social Security’s modest benefits, while also adding paid family and medical leave.”3

    Under the proposal reportedly being discussed, new parents who choose to receive paid family leave would be forced to push back the date at which they would be eligible to receive Social Security benefits. The end result of such a scheme would be a cut in Social Security benefits, as individuals would receive benefits for a shorter period of time.4

    The Rubio-Trump proposal is yet another cynical Republican attempt to cut Social Security benefits under the guise of helping families. It is up to us to make sure members of Congress don’t fall for this Trojan horse attack on Social Security.

    Tell Congress: Don’t pit Social Security against paid family leave. Click the link below to sign the petition.

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    Let's think of Trump as the Wrecking Ball....we'll see where the pieces fall!
    Foxie, read up on Russia under Yeltsin. You want to improve your country, not wreck it, like Yeltsin did Russia. There is this idea that tearing it down and starting over will help put everything on a firmer foundation with more integrity. Ask Paul what an American govt default would look like, how it would play out for you.

    No social security, no Medicare, no food stamps -- for starters.

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    No social security, no Medicare, no food stamps -- for starters.
    Until when and if most pensions, retirement funds, medical coverage, social welfare benefits, and even Social Security (currently my only source of income) plans within the US either fail entirely or are cut back drastically ... the United States (corporations, and federal, state and local governments) will not have come to grips with the reality that vastly more has been promised than can be paid.

    Similarly, much debt, including real estate mortgages, car loans, (a big one) student debt, and (an even bigger one) US Treasury debt will have to fail or be heavily discounted, before any return to honest accounting, with serviceable levels of debt, a stable currency, and a sustainable future, can be reached.

    Not only have we (our Bankster and other Elite Bastard overlords) built a monetary system that resembles the Tower of Babel ... we've built it upside down, with the largest part at the top, resting on a far smaller level of actual productive capability.

    Quadrillions of derivatives rest on top of hundreds of trillions of securitized debt, interest rate swaps and forex swaps, rest on top of tens of trillions of dollars of rehypothicated primary debt, rest on trillions of dollars of actual resources and productivity potential, with fraudulent accounting dominating at each level.
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    Trump's Infrastructure Scam
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    Send a message to Congress: Reject Trump's infrastructure scam today.

    Trump's infrastructure scam guts environmental safeguards like the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, and National Environmental Policy Act, making it easy for the federal government to rubber stamp permits for corporations to build dangerous pipelines, toxic waste dumps, and other destructive projects. It would restrict environmental reviews for infrastructure projects and limit public participation, reducing opportunities for impacted individuals and communities to make their voices heard in the decision-making process.Trump even plans to sell off public lands to oil companies and other special interests in order to pay for his scam.

    We know that America's infrastructure doesn't have to come at the cost of clean air and clean water. We need safeguards that protect our environment and keep our communities healthy, and we need our voices to be heard in the process.

    Tell your representatives in Congress to reject any infrastructure plan that doesn't create family-sustaining jobs, invest in clean energy, and protect our air, water, and health!
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    I read today that Omarosa, no longer a big fan of Trump's is warning the world about Mike Pence. Says that if people are worried about Trump they should be terrified of a Pence govt. She claims he thinks Jesus speaks to him directly and tells him what to say!

    I've always thought Pence is the greater threat, as well. If he is the genuine fundamentalist Christian article, AND he somehow becomes president (with a largely fundamentalist military,) it will be beyond awful.

    Two scenarios could play out. Pence could try to bring on Armegeddon with a major nuclear war OR almost equally frightful, Paul and Foxie and others are correct. Trump will be used as the wrecking ball and then Pence will proceed him somehow and rebuild America as a hard right Christian theocracy. Oh, the horror.

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    I read today that Omarosa, no longer a big fan of Trump's is warning the world about Mike Pence. Says that if people are worried about Trump they should be terrified of a Pence govt. She claims he thinks Jesus speaks to him directly and tells him what to say!

    I've always thought Pence is the greater threat, as well. If he is the genuine fundamentalist Christian article, AND he somehow becomes president (with a largely fundamentalist military,) it will be beyond awful.

    Two scenarios could play out. Pence could try to bring on Armegeddon with a major nuclear war OR almost equally frightful, Paul and Foxie and others are correct. Trump will be used as the wrecking ball and then Pence will proceed him somehow and rebuild America as a hard right Christian theocracy. Oh, the horror.
    This speaks of technology that guides these puppets and "recruited by military intelligence to run for president politicians."
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    Issue theme: "How political correctness
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    The Sierra Club was once an honorable organization, and not that long ago either. A few decades ago, it was truly bipartisan, as befitted a group trying to protect wilderness. Conservatives were not shunned as members, but were welcomed as part of the team. One example was life-long Republican Dr. Edgar Wayburn, who helped save more than 100,000 acres of scenic wild places during his 103-year lifetime. He was a five-term president of the Sierra Club during the 1960s. But it’s inconceivable that a member of the GOP could be elected to that post in today’s organization, which has been fundamentally corrupted by left-wing political influence and millions of dollars with ideological strings attached.

    How corrupt is the Sierra Club today? It has become so debased that it has done nothing to combat the destruction of parts of treasured national parks like Yosemite and Sequoia by invading Mexican drug gangs. The cartels have moved into public lands in the United States and set up toxic marijuana plantations that environmentally degrade protected places that are supposed to remain pristine. But the Sierrans have made a political marriage with open-borders Hispanic Democrats, and maintaining good relations with political allies is now more important than what was once the Club’s prime directive.

    The impetus for the loss of integrity was simple greed. In the 1990s, the Club came across a deep-pocketed donor with an interest in the environment, one David Gelbaum, a Wall Street investor who had made hundreds of millions of dollars. He was willing to be a generous funder to the Sierra Club, but with one stipulation. As he was quoted in a Los Angeles Times article (“The Man behind the Land,” 10/27/04), “I did tell [Sierra Club Executive Director] Carl Pope in 1994 or 1995 that if they ever came out anti-immigration, they would never get a dollar from me.”

    That restriction posed a problem, since existing Sierra Club policy dating from the 1960s recommended a steady-state population for the United States and recognized immigration’s being a major cause of increasing human numbers. In 1969 the organization expressed hope that American population could be stabilized by 1980. In 1970 the Club endorsed a resolution from Zero Population Growth (later renamed “Population Connection”) that included support for actions that would “bring about the stabilization of the population first of the United States and then of the world.” In 1989 a Sierra Club policy specifically noted that “Immigration to the U.S. should be no greater than that which will permit achievement of population stabilization in the U.S.”

    But with big money beckoning in return for the disavowal of the clear connection of environmental harm with excessive immigration and population growth, Sierra leadership folded like a cheap lawn chair. In 1996, the Club rescinded its previous population policies that could be seen as related to immigration levels. The elite management team probably rationalized that enormous environmental good could be done with great riches, and therefore merited dispensing with integrity about an increasingly controversial topic.

    And the Club was very well rewarded indeed by the generous David Gelbaum; the organization received over $100 million dollars in a couple donations over the years 2000 and 2001. In any normal circumstance, such a transaction would be considered a bribe and roundly condemned. But the Club leadership kept the source of the new riches secret, until the 2004 LA Times article revealed Gelbaum as the sugar daddy. Even after the dots were connected, however, the liberal press couldn’t bring itself to recognize an Enron-sized environmentalism scandal of an iconic organization.

    Of course, any honest and educated environmentalist understands that human overpopulation is a great danger to sustainable natural systems. If you care about preserving wilderness, protecting species, and having enough water, then piling in another hundred million people every few decades into the high-consuming United States is not the way to go.

    Starting in 1996, a concerned group of grassroots members became alarmed at the Club’s reversal on long-held population policies. Your humble correspondent was a member of this group, known for a time as Sierrans for U.S. Population Stabilization until threatened with a lawsuit for using the Club’s name (despite existing Gay Sierrans, Sierra Club Seniors, etc.). The acronym SUSPS then became the operating title (SUSPS.org online).

    We spent untold volunteer hours working to return the Club to its former sensible, environmentally appropriate positions. We gathered member petitions to qualify candidates for the Board of Directors and pose policy referendums for the membership’s consideration in the annual Club-wide elections. We succeeded in getting several fine environmentalists elected to the Board, although our important population initiative of 1998 failed to make the cut.

    Had SUSPS members known in the beginning that the Sierra Club had been bought and paid for, I doubt we would have spent eight years trying to reform a morally bankrupt and dishonest institution.

    By 2004, Club management began to fear that democracy might win the day because of SUSPS’ strong slate of candidates. Carl Pope and his leftist cronies MoveOn.org and the SPLC launched a most reprehensible smear campaign of false accusations, with the help of a compliant liberal press. It took a truly supine media to accept and recite the idea that the former Democratic Governor of Colorado Dick Lamm and former Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation Frank Morris were racist right-wingers. But the press swallowed the Sierra propaganda because who would think that the virtuous environmentalists would be fighting dirty for their faction’s selfish greed. So the Sierra management’s approved slate of obedient toadies swept the election, and the SUSPS candidates lost under the barrage of inuendo and outright lies from the left-wing establishment.

    Along the way to its new identity, the Sierra Club lost many old members who were disgusted by the tragic devolution of John Muir’s wilderness club into the leftists in hiking boots. However, the group acquired new associates which it appears to find quite agreeable, like MoveOn.org (Soros funded), the SPLC, La Raza, and George Soros. So there is no shortage of money, even if the potential membership pool is greatly diminished.

    The Sierra Club, the Democratic Party, and Al Gore all claim to be deeply concerned about global warming caused by spewing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. But it’s hard to take their worries seriously when all are quite happy with immigration-fueled skyrocketing population growth in the world’s top resource-using country. If any of the climate worriers truly cared about global warming, they would be leading the charge for limiting immigration. By rapidly increasing the number of residents of America, Washington makes the United States an even bigger engine of pollution and greenhouse gases. Immigrants don’t relocate to this country for the better recycling opportunities: they come hoping for an American level of material consumption (also known as “seeking a better life”).

    In December, we learned the results of the 2010 Census. The total population of the United State on April 1, 2010, was counted at 308,745,538, an increase of 27,323,632 over just 10 years. The science- and math-ignorant press did not think that was a big deal; in fact some media sources emphasized the slowdown, as did MSNBC’s headline “Population growth slowest since 1940, census shows” (12/21/10). That assessment is certainly accurate, particularly from the rate of growth, expressed in percentages: the 2010 growth rate was 9.7 percent, compared with 13.2 percent from the previous decade. However, there is no increase in the natural resources like water necessary to support the additional 27 million people, and the loss of farmland continues to reflect the profitability of housing construction over food production. If there were any environmental organizations pointing out the effect of continuing rapid population growth on natural resources after the Census announcement, it was muted at best.

    Sadly, the degradation of the Sierra Club from a bipartisan science-friendly environmental organization into a semi-outdoorsy left-wing political group is bad news for the earth, Our planet needs all the friends it can get, judging by worsening species extinction, the collapse of major fish stocks like the North Atlantic cod, the enormous Great Pacific Garbage Patch of floating plastic, and many other symptoms of ill health. No matter what anyone’s opinion on the idea of human-caused climate change, the Sierra Club’s position on that issue or any other can no longer be trusted as genuinely environmental when the organization is now all about left-wing globalist politics.

    A timely illustration of today’s Sierra Club priorities can be found in the campaign statements of the eight persons running in the 2011 Board of Directors election. There is not a single mention of population, not even that the global number is forecast to reach seven billion later this year. That’s a one-billion person increase since 1999, when the six-billion threshhold was crossed, in just 12 short years. One might hope America’s top green organization would recognize the meaning of those numbers and provide much needed leadership and public education. But the Club is too politically correct to suggest how unprecedented human growth threatens our planet’s natural systems of replenishment. Elite Clubbers prefer to lecture Americans about resource use rather than acknowledge the whole picture, in which population and consumption multiply each other’s effects, as expressed by Paul Ehrlich’s I=PAT formula (Human Impact on the environment equals the product of P= Population, A= Affluence, T= Technology).

    Another aspect of the current Club Board of Directors election deserves attention. One candidate is Larry Fahn, who was President during the decisive election when SUSPS Board candidates were poised to possibly take power. Fahn helped lead the shameful smear campaign against our highly reputable candidates, and he now states his pride in being a Club hatchet man, saying in his 2011 campaign statement: “I led the Club during trying times, the ‘hostile takeover attempt,’ when outsiders, anti-immigration activists like former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm, ran for several board seats. Lamm and others sued me over my leadership against them.”

    It’s sad reflection on the current Sierra Club that being an enthusiastic purveyor of character assassination is now considered an advantage for gaining office. Interestingly, the late David Brower, an admired conservationist, resigned from the Board in 2000 because the Club leaders had lost all passion to save the earth. “The world is burning and all I hear from them is the music of violins,” he said.

    Music would be an improvement at this point. The earth needs defenders now more than ever, but the Sierra Club is playing a different tune indeed.

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    Stand up for America’s Wilderness legacy
    From: Wilderness Watch
    2/14/18
    https://wildernesswatch.salsalabs.or...0-9696eb4cacac
    Quote The Wilderness Act of 1964 promises that our government will protect and preserve Wilderness "for the permanent good of the whole people." Yet, in just the first year of the Trump Administration, America's Wilderness, public lands and wildlife legacy have been under constant attack.

    Every day seems to bring plans to undermine the Wilderness Act and America's 110 million-acre National Wilderness Preservation System, more rollbacks of our bedrock environmental laws, or new proposals to grease the skids for resource extraction on public lands.

    One person who's right in the middle of these schemes is Trump's Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, who has made it his mission to destroy the promise of the Wilderness Act. We're not going to let him get away with it.

    As Interior Secretary, Zinke is in charge of some of the most important federal agencies that administer America's National Wilderness Preservation System, including the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

    If you don’t think Secretary Zinke has a huge impact on America's Wilderness legacy, consider the fact that over 72 million acres of Wilderness is under his purview. That's a whopping 66 percent of the entire acreage within our National Wilderness Preservation System!

    Just look at this list of some of Secretary Zinke's most anti-Wilderness actions:

    • In December, Zinke released a new legal opinion designed to fast-track two mining leases in northern Minnesota so a company owned by a Chilean billionaire can construct a copper and nickel mine in the watershed of the Boundary Waters Wilderness. The Chilean billionaire also happens to be renting a mansion to President Trump's daughter, Ivanka. American citizens have already sent tens of thousands of letters opposing issuance of these leases and we have to keep the heat on!

    • During the recent government shutdown, Secretary Zinke signed a secret deal to bulldoze a road through the Izembek Wilderness and Izembek National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. Zinke's secret deal would destroy wildlife habitat and set a terrible precedent for America's Wilderness system. We also know it's illegal, so we sued him.

    • Secretary Zinke has remained silent as Congress tries to pass a number of bills to amend, weaken or undermine the Wilderness Act, including: a bill to open all Wilderness areas to mountain bikes and other wheeled contraptions; legislation that would threaten all Wilderness areas within 100 miles of the U.S. border with Canada and Mexico; and a NRA-backed 'Sportsmen’s Act' that would gut the Wilderness Act and its promise of preserving areas "where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man."

    • With Zinke's full support, the Trump administration reversed common-sense regulations put in place by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to prevent barbaric hunting practices in National Wildlife Refuges in Alaska, which include 20 million acres of Wilderness. Now, under Zinke's leadership, grossly unethical practices — like shooting denning wolves, killing hibernating bears and cubs, and catching and killing bears with traps — could return. If doing this in our national wildlife refuges in Alaska isn’t bad enough, Zinke has begun a review to open some of the national park units in Alaska to the same disgusting practices.

    • While Secretary Zinke has proposed more than doubling the fee your family must pay to visit one of our iconic National Parks like Glacier, Yellowstone, and Grand Canyon, Zinke's Bureau of Land Management just slashed the fees private ranchers pay to graze livestock on our Wildernesses and public lands. Incredibly, welfare ranchers graze a cow and her calf for merely $1.41 a month, a price that doesn’t begin to pay for cost to the government to administer the program, let alone the ecological damage done by livestock operations!

    This is but a partial list that doesn’t include the host of issues that indirectly, but importantly, bear on our most iconic landscapes. Secretary Zinke supported opening the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — America’s Serengheti — to massive oil and gas development, and he gutted the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase–Escalante National Monuments by over two million acres. And he’s threatening to waive environmental and wildlife protections in many more.
    Please act now and tell Secretary Zinke that you expect him to stand up for America’s Wilderness, public lands, and wildlife legacy, and if he’s not up for that task, he should resign: https://wildernesswatch.salsalabs.or...0-9696eb4cacac
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