Trump is NOT the answer

[Franny]

MAGA by killing off wolves, bears and their young.

http://www.environews.tv/040517-done...BYYRJA77gsVXgA

(EnviroNews Alaska) — Washington D.C. — On April 3, 2017, President Donald Trump signed House Joint Resolution 69 (HJR 69) into law. The legislation rescinds the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s (USFWS) 2016 Alaska National Wildlife Refuges Rule (Refuge Rule). The Refuge Rule was enacted to protect native carnivores on Alaska’s refuges from the state’s Board of Game (BOG) predator management program, which allows practices such as the killing of bears with cubs and wolves with pups, as well as the hunting of animals from aircraft, among other things.

As EnviroNews reported, the USFWS originally created the Refuge Rule in response to the notion that, “In recent years, concurrent with its adoption and implementation of [Intensive Management (IM)] plans for predation control areas, the BOG has also authorized measures under its general hunting and trapping regulations that potentially increase the take of predators to a degree that disrupts natural processes and wildlife interactions.” As part of its goal of maintaining moose, caribou and/or deer populations at set objective levels for human consumption, the BOG liberalized “hunting and trapping regulations for wolves and bears,” allowing controversial killing practices that wildlife advocates deem inhumane.

“What the Senate did today should outrage the conscience of every animal lover in America,” said Wayne Pacelle, President and CEO of The Humane Society, in a press release when the bill passed the Senate March 21. “The passage of this bill means that we’ll see wolf families killed at their dens, bears chased down by planes or suffering for hours in barbaric steel-jawed traps or snares.” He also mentioned “luring grizzly bears with food to get a point-blank kill,” as another technique that will return in the absence of the Refuge Rule.

HJR 69 is a Congressional Review Act resolution, which allows Congress to invalidate a federal regulation like the Refuge Rule within 60 legislative days of its taking effect. The issuing agency of the rejected rule, in this case the USFWS, cannot later issue a “substantially similar” rule.

“This bill is inhumane, unsportsmanlike and dangerous to Alaska’s ecosystems. I am strongly against [HJR 69],” said Representative Peter DeFazio (D-OR), when he argued against it on the House floor in February 2017. He explained the bill is unscientific and violates the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA), which ensures that national wildlife refuges “conserve species and habitats in their natural diversity.” Defenders of Wildlife also cited this Act, along with the National Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act, as established legal opposition to HJR 69 in March, but to no avail.

Sign the petition to reject this bill
http://www.environews.tv/world-news/...-killing-bill/

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by latte (here)
The legislation rescinds the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s (USFWS) 2016 Alaska National Wildlife Refuges Rule (Refuge Rule). The Refuge Rule was enacted to protect native carnivores on Alaska’s refuges from the state’s Board of Game (BOG) predator management program, which allows practices such as the killing of bears with cubs and wolves with pups, as well as the hunting of animals from aircraft, among other things.

How much you want to bet that the Board of Game's "predator management program" was itself the brainchild of environmentalists?

At one time there were no regulations on hunting at all in the United States, and many species nearly went extinct. When these game management agencies were set up, they reversed this trend. Anyone who has even marginally studied ecosystems knows how complex they are, and how easy it is to upset the balance between predators and prey.

It might seem counter-intuitive to those who aren't familiar with these programs, but the people issuing hunting licenses and all the rest are actually conserving the species they manage, not destroying them.

Many of the federal environmental policies have had more to do with indirectly influencing the economy than anything to do with the environment.

[AutumnW]

A voice from the Mountains,

Two words: regulatory capture

[A Voice from the Mountains]

That's exactly why the EPA was screwed up to begin with, along with the FDA and many other agencies.

Conservatives have been complaining for many years about the corruption and cronyism within these bureaucratic agencies. Gutting the regulations is one solution. I'd rather the federal agencies be abolished completely and all of these issues returned to the state governments, where they properly belong under the Constitution.

[onawah]

How about letting this thread stay on topic?

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
That's exactly why the EPA was screwed up to begin with, along with the FDA and many other agencies.

Conservatives have been complaining for many years about the corruption and cronyism within these bureaucratic agencies. Gutting the regulations is one solution. I'd rather the federal agencies be abolished completely and all of these issues returned to the state governments, where they properly belong under the Constitution.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by onawah (here)
How about letting this thread stay on topic?

I guess the topic of this thread is restricted to Trump-bashing, right?

Well, I can give reasons why Trump is not the answer, too.

Trump is not the answer, because the compact between the states was never intended to take on such behemoth proportions, and the federal government should only concern itself with a very limited set of issues, all explicitly laid out in the Constitution. Out of what were intended to be sovereign states (ie sovereign countries), only very loosely united by contractual agreement for common defense and certain other purposes, we have instead become a single nation with ultimate power centralized in Washington, D.C., in the same way that the EU wants to centralize European power in Brussels.

My hope is that Trump ends up gutting a bunch of federal agencies and returning their responsibilities to the states, where they belong, but we'll see if that happens. After the US Department of Education was created in the 1970's, public education in the US went into the toilet. Reagan promised to shut down the Department of Education and return responsibility for education to state and local governments, but he never followed through. Trump also said he would return some things to the states, but how much, and when?

It's obvious that the socialists in California don't want their government run by conservatives, and Texans don't want their government run by socialists. So how do you solve that problem democratically without pissing half of the country off? How about we decentralize power back to the states and let them govern themselves, only using the federal framework that is explicitly laid out in the Constitution?

That might be the answer, as long as authoritarians (of either party) don't continue to insist on forcing their political will on the other half of the country. And the split is essentially urban vs. rural at this point, rather than state vs. state, so even the states may need to relinquish more responsibilities to city and county governments.

[onawah]

I've used this thread to bring some balance back to the forum when so many of the posts were pro-trump and pro-Q, that there wasn't enough discussion about anything else.
That's no longer the case thankfully.
I cannot speak for Autumn, who started this thread, but my take on it has been that the focus was not meant to be Trump bashing, although the idea that it was seems to have been the knee jerk reaction by most pro-Trump members.
Rather it's been pointing out that realistically, no POTUS is going to be able to do much good, given how much control has been usurped by TPTB.
Something which astute Avalon members have gone to great pains in researching and revealing on this forum for quite a few years now.
But also how some of the things that Trump IS doing or looks LIKELY to do will not be beneficial, and why.
Shutting down agencies that have usurped state's powers would be good--power has become much too centralized, obviously, but most likely what will happen is that there will be a huge void created first and protections will disappear altogether until and IF, the needed protections are FIRST instated at the state level.
Some of those protections are vital, such as keeping things like asbestos (which Trump is invested in) and deadly pesticides and herbicides out of the environment, and not nearly enough has been done about that already.
In the meantime, under Trump, it looks much more like more power is going to be given to corporations rather than states.

[DNA]

Posted by onawah (here)
I've used this thread to bring some balance back to the forum when so many of the posts were pro-trump and pro-Q, that there wasn't enough discussion about anything else.

Indeed, this forum used to be a place where folks who were opposed to the new world order agendas could come and talk about what really mattered instead of constantly defending themselves from the sentimentalists who are emotionally manipulated minions defining themselves as the left.

Trump supporters have been banned from twitter, banned from facebook and have now watched their biggest media proponent Alex Jones be banned from ALL social media platforms, including youtube.

And still the left does not see the writing on the wall.

So you continue your Trump bashing and remember what side you were on when this country falls apart due to your best intentions.

[onawah]

As stated, I think "the focus was not meant to be Trump bashing, although the idea that it was seems to have been the knee jerk reaction by most pro-Trump members".
Do you think you can put your rage aside for awhile DNA and consider that one doesn't have to choose a side between left or right to be able to have a reasonable and rational view?
If the country is falling apart, it's been planned to happen way before Trump became POTUS, and those who planned it make for a much better target than those who have been taken in by the deception.
Don't you think that the division that you are currently feeding was created intentionally, as part of the plan to make the country fall apart?
[QUOTE=DNA;1254789]

Posted by onawah (here)
So you continue your Trump bashing and remember what side you were on when this country falls apart due to your best intentions.

update:See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1254803

[Joe Akulis]

Scroll up. Look.

"Chronicles of the human awakening."

If you think of this and many other threads as chronicles, and maybe something of greater value looking backwards upon as history, then I definitely want all sides of an opinion, or an event, or an issue, represented.

"Remember what side you were on"??? Stop promoting division. I want ALL sides. Someone who comes here not knowing what to think about something is better served when there's no enforcement of an imprimatur on the material being posted, no?

So pipe down, I'm trying to read here. :-)

Much love to all on this thread,
Joe

[Deux Corbeaux]

Why not change the name of this thread in Trump is NOT the answer. Now, who or what IS ?

This will perhaps be a more constructive and creative thread, which will at least allow some discussion..

What Trump is and has been doing wrong, we have been bombarded with, all day, every day for two years now.

It´s the same in Europe, as CNN is our main US news channel and most of the time journalists are too lazy to inform themselves enough to give a balanced opinion.

Just an idea on a lazy afternoon.

[onawah]

I considered once that changing the title to "Trump is not THE Answer" might help to mollify Trump lovers, and since I do believe Trump is doing some good.
But it's up to Autumn and the Mods as to what the title should be.

Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)
Why not change the name of this thread in Trump is NOT the answer. Now, who or what IS ?

[AutumnW]

I think the original title works.

[Franny]

I was not Trump bashing in my post, but strongly disagreeing with the signing of that bill. BTW, I do not Trump bash in case anyone wonders.

Watch again what happened when wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone.

http://themetapicture.com/when-they-...t-these-wolves

THAT'S how you bring balance to wildlife, not killing them off in order to save them like that village in Vietnam. But killing wolves and bears from a helicopter, and other ways, is so much fun and brings so much joy to some people that it becomes a really good rationalization.

I don't think Trump hunts but he mentioned his sons do and they really love it. I've seen pictures of them with big happy smiles in Africa standing next to a large animal they killed from a long distance with a big gun.

I was once in the home of a wealthy guy that told me he had been lucky enough to travel and hunt in over 80 countries. He had well over 100 animal heads on his walls. He mentioned several were now extinct and said how fortunate he was to bag them before that.

Some people treat animals (and humans) like a commodity.

These are some of the things I think of when I see bills like this enacted. Others will have a different frame of reference.

[onawah]

EPA to Increase Your Exposure to Radiation and Mercury
BY ANH-USA ON OCTOBER 18, 2018 STOP POISONING OURSELVES
New proposals would expose us to more environmental pollutants. Action Alert!
http://www.anh-usa.org/epa-to-increa...4-ac8c41a2864b
"It doesn’t take much of a scientific background to know that exposure to radiation is bad. Yet a new rule coming out of the EPA at the behest of crony interests will increase the amount of radiation we are exposed to. Another rule will increase the amount of mercury we’re exposed to. To protect our health, these rules must be opposed.

The first proposal would expose Americans to more radiation because it limits the studies that the EPA can use to determine what levels of exposure are safe—not just of radiation, but other environmental toxins as well. Experts have maintained there is no harmless dose of radiation. Yet one of the proponents of this rule, Edward Calabrese, a professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s School of Public Health, believes that exposure to low doses of radiation is beneficial! It is an extraordinary view that is contradicted by most experts. A leading radiation researcher, Dr. John William Gofman, provided evidence that medical radiation (CAT scans, CT scans, X-rays, etc.) is a necessary co-actor in about 75 percent of recent cases of breast cancer in the United States. (Note that MRIs—magnetic resonance imaging—are generally safer than CAT and CT scans, but can have their own dangers.) A 2007 study from Columbia University estimated that as much as 2 percent of all cancer in the US may be due to radiation from CT scans.

Who benefits from this rule? Hospitals. It is within the capacity of hospitals to use lower-dose radiation when performing CT scans. This can be done through programming computer algorithms into the software that runs the imaging equipment. Since this technology is recent, it is only compatible with newer machines, and there is little incentive for hospitals to replace CT scanners (which can cost up to $2 million) with more advanced models. In fact, the opposite is happening. Hospitals are increasingly buying lower-end CT scanners to keep costs down. And why not, when diagnostic imaging has become a $100 billion-a-year business? Better to simply change the rules so people can be exposed to more radiation than be bothered with patient safety.

Another proposal would expose Americans to more mercury, a potent neurotoxin and one of the most poisonous forms of air pollution. It would bar the EPA, when calculating the cost/benefit of a rule, from taking secondary benefits into account when conducting a cost/benefit analysis. The intent of the change is to provide legal justification to weaken mercury emissions rules. Recall that mercury in any form is toxic. Organic mercury readily crosses the blood-brain barrier and damages developing nervous tissue. Although mercury is first emitted into the air as a metal, it settles in the beds of waterways where it is converted by bacteria into methylmercury. Methylmercury accumulates in the bodies of fish and other wildlife. Pregnant women who eat contaminated fish put their fetuses at risk. Children are at the greatest risk, as exposure to methylmercury can impact cognitive thinking, memory, attention, language, motor skills, and spatial skills.

This is cronyism 101: special interests using the power of the federal government to change the rules in a way that benefits them while causing harm to everybody else. We cannot let them get away with it.

Action Alert! Write to Congress and the EPA opposing these two proposals. Please send your message immediately."
http://www.anh-usa.org/action-alert-...n-and-mercury/

[ichingcarpenter]

Mr. voice from the mts..........


Please name all the conservatives that were against regulatory capture and the corruption it involves the destruction of the enviroment

Nixon a republican gave us the epa.... and fromthat time the rivers were dying because we didn't have it.
I've seen superfund sites and knew the people that lived there......... you are saying getting rid of it?

Use some sense.

[onawah]

On the contrary, on this forum for quite awhile we were inundated with every word that has come out of Q's mouth (assuming Q actually has a mouth and isn't some kind of AI), and all kinds of hope porn about the great things that Trump is doing and going to do once he gets reelected.
Anyone who made so much as a peep about how all that hope might be misplaced, or the reports inaccurate, was usually attacked, to the point of being silenced.
Anyone who wasn't on board the Trump train was presumed to be Left leaning by the pro-Trump enthusiasts.
Little tolerance was shown for anyone who was neither Right nor Left, but was instead looking at things from a broader perspective, without bias.
In the US, Fox News is predominantly pro-Trump, and has been gaining on CNN for quite some time in popularity (or so they claim).
I never saw this thread as being a call for putting the Democrats back in power, I saw it as a way to counterbalance all that with some realism.

Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)
Why not change the name of this thread in Trump is NOT the answer. Now, who or what IS ?

This will perhaps be a more constructive and creative thread, which will at least allow some discussion..

What Trump is and has been doing wrong, we have been bombarded with, all day, every day for two years now.

It´s the same in Europe, as CNN is our main US news channel and most of the time journalists are too lazy to inform themselves enough to give a balanced opinion.

Just an idea on a lazy afternoon.

[onawah]

Why pipelines are disastrous now and will be even more in the near future.
Earthquakes during Grand Solar Minimum. John L. Casey Ph.D. Adapt 2030 Global Warming LIES

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZHVgu0LmeIE

"sumerbc
Published on Jan 18, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCnW... --- the New Madrid Earthquake Documentary. https://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/im...
Nasa Sun spot chart (a child can understand whats happening) http://www.c3headlines.com/temperatur... --- Huge collection of Solar charts/graphs that support GSM and Destroy C02 global warming!
John L. Casey Ph.D. and David DuByne of Adapt 2030 discuss what, why and how. The greatest American Earthquake, The New Madrid Fault Earthquake, winter of 1811-1812, happened in the 'Dalton' Grand Solar Minimum. At least 90 Volcanic eruptions in the 'Maunder' GSM & 'Dalton' GSM including Mt. Tambora huge Volcano, which Lowered Global Temperatures for years & caused the 1815 "Year without a summer", in the bottom of the 'Dalton' GSM.
New Madrid Earthquake occurred in the winter of 1811-1812, in the 'Dalton' GSM. Major Earthquakes and Vulcanism have historically coincided with Grand Solar Minimums."

[samildamach]

Posted by onawah (here)
On the contrary, on this forum for quite awhile we were inundated with every word that has come out of Q's mouth (assuming Q actually has a mouth and isn't some kind of AI), and all kinds of hope porn about the great things that Trump is doing and going to do once he gets reelected.
Anyone who made so much as a peep about how all that hope might be misplaced, or the reports inaccurate, was usually attacked, to the point of being silenced.
Anyone who wasn't on board the Trump train was presumed to be Left leaning by the pro-Trump enthusiasts.
Little tolerance was shown for anyone who was neither Right nor Left, but was instead looking at things from a broader perspective, without bias.
In the US, Fox News is predominantly pro-Trump, and has been gaining on CNN for quite some time in popularity (or so they claim).
I never saw this thread as being a call for putting the Democrats back in power, I saw it as a way to counterbalance all that with some realism.

Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)
Why not change the name of this thread in Trump is NOT the answer. Now, who or what IS ?

This will perhaps be a more constructive and creative thread, which will at least allow some discussion..

What Trump is and has been doing wrong, we have been bombarded with, all day, every day for two years now.

It´s the same in Europe, as CNN is our main US news channel and most of the time journalists are too lazy to inform themselves enough to give a balanced opinion.

Just an idea on a lazy afternoon.

With one breath you talk of being unable to talk Trump with out being attacked,only to attack people who follow q.
It's a disturbing cycle ,please see any hate divides.
I love you all no matter your opinion

[onawah]

It's about NWO and globalism, the corporate state versus the individual, not about Q, not about Trump, not about Liberal vs. Conservative.
Investing all one's hope into political entities, given how the controllers have been manipulating global politics for centuries, is bound to be disillusioning, and is basically just naive.
Pointing that out is not being hateful, it's just using common sense, based on long observation by many astute researchers.

From: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/lio...he-globalists/
"It seems like all of the righteous rage and frustration over the evils and inequities perpetrated over the past half century by the US Government; anger that would have rightly been directed toward George W Bush for 9/11 and the Endless Wars or toward Barack Obama for doubling down on drone strikes and pumping up the surveillance state is being displaced onto Donald Trump. It seems like all of the the hatred that is so richly deserved by the Neocons is being diverted onto Trump, even though he defunded ISIS and has been much less warlike than his predecessors. Seriously, where was all the outrage that we see being hurled at the President in the Mainstream Media when Bush took us to war with Iraq on a lie?

I expressed many of these thoughts the other day but Lionel, who is a living, breathing thesaurus articulates these ideas with his own inimitable panache:

"Paleoconservatism of the Reagan era is dead. The Conservatism of William F Buckley and of all those grand GOP-ers is dead. Neoconservatism is dead. New Deal FDR Democratic policy is dead. Anything from the past, today is dead. It's a brand new world and if you're using antiquated, antediluvian, archaic almost Paleolithic concepts of Conservatism and supply-side, the world is different, the problems are different, the scope of the problems are different...

"We're in a war right now, not against Liberalism but against unipolar Globalism, New World Order, Deep State, police state, intel state, government-within-the-government, permanent government, shadow government. We're in a in a war with a Soros-backed, Bilderberg-backed, a multi-layered conspiracy; world involving dark forces and people and methodologies that transcend anything from the past.

"Ronald Reagan wouldn't know what to do and if you're spouting 30-year old National Review, Bill Buckley, supply-side and all of this hyper-moralistic, simplistic, Antediluvian, tissue-thin; this kind of a rehash, recycled, regurgitated Conservatism; if you think that's what this is...Pick the greatest argument from the past; the greatest argument that we have ever had from the past and nothing compares today...

"I mean, we're dealing with threats to our system that the Gipper could not even fathom. He worried about the 'Evil Empire.' That's nothing. You know who the Evil Empire is now? It's NATO! and Russia is this perfect wedge, this perfect 'Bad Guy'!

"Remember: no Russia, no NATO – no Russia, no NATO!
"The fill-in-the-blank 'Bad Guy' – and they tried everything. Let me tell you where they shot their wad and where they absolutely made a huge mistake: ...when they decided that they were going to use Russia and Putin and others as the fill-in-the-blank, generic explanation and the basis for everything that involved Hillary Clinton...

"She provided you with the basis and the provision of her reason, her excuse for losing and with that came this contrived and incredibly-orchestrated, the machinations of the conspiracy to blame Trump and as that was exposed... everything from Fusion GPS, to dossiers, to PissGate, to Russian hookers, you know, soiling the percales of beds, I mean, it's just unraveled – and Rosenstein – and then this monumentally huge, inordinate superstructure of corruption involving people being fired, removed, expurgated, bowdlerized, yanked, jettisoned, whatever you want to call it.

"Let me leave you with what I said before: this is not about Reaganomics. This is not about Neo-Classical Conservatism. Anything from those days, anything from the days of the Gipper and...this Manichaean war between Liberalism and Conservatism, and Good vs Evil and Right vs Wrong – that's over. It's a new game and a new day, Sparky. Believe me."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-Vtpa3VqaFk

Posted by samildamach (here)

With one breath you talk of being unable to talk Trump with out being attacked,only to attack people who follow q.
It's a disturbing cycle ,please see any hate divides.
I love you all no matter your opinion