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    Let's take time for a little interlude and watch Donald Trump's Unseen "Personal" Side.

    Just for the balance......

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    I'll watch this shortly, thanks

    I can't help but wonder about Trump as a person, at this point. I just finished Googling what kind of music he listens to out of curiousness, and ended up on Quora.

    Funny thing: In the related Quora questions, people are also asking what kind of music did Jesus Christ listen to (ha ha). The Jesus answer you need to be 13+ to read (so I didn't sign in), but the Trump answer is available to all ages.

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    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    I'll watch this shortly, thanks

    I can't help but wonder about Trump as a person, at this point. I just finished Googling what kind of music he listens to out of curiousness, and ended up on Quora.

    Funny thing: In the related Quora questions, people are also asking what kind of music did Jesus Christ listen to (ha ha). The Jesus answer you need to be 13+ to read (so I didn't sign in), but the Trump answer is available to all ages.
    Well, this is for you, Petra.

    Donald Trump's Favorite Song (and the Surprising Music He Also Loves)

    https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...so-loves.html/


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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Trump budget proposal slashes Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security
    March 20, 2019
    by Diane Archer
    https://justcareusa.org/trump-budget...ocial-security
    Since Diane Archer picked out just a few points to ventilate her personal opinion and fear, here is the President’s whole 2020 Budged for everybody to reflect upon.

    Scroll down to page 39 - DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...dget-fy2020.pd

    A BUDGET FOR A BETTER AMERICA
    PROMISES KEPT. TAXPAYERS FIRST.

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    Funding Highlights:
    • The mission of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is to protect and strengthen the health and well-being of Americans through effective health and human services for the American people and by fostering sound, sustained advances in the sciences underlying medicine, public health, and social services.

    • The Budget addresses the Nation’s critical public health needs through investments that combat the opioid epidemic and support mental health services, increase efforts to eliminate infectious diseases, support high priority biomedical research, speed access to new innovative technology, and enhance emergency preparedness and health security. The Budget also offers strategies to reduce drug-related costs, improve the health of older Americans, and strengthen work requirements to promote self-sufficiency.

    • The Budget also invests in child care to support America’s working families, and promotes work among able-bodied adults receiving assistance.

    • The 2020 Budget requests $87.1 billion for HHS, a 12-percent decrease from the 2019 estimated level. The Budget proposes $1,248.8 billion in net mandatory health savings, reducing longer-term deficits.
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    The president’s 2020 Budget:

    The Budget supports the mission of HHS while creating a streamlined Federal Government that promotes the most efficient and effective use of taxpayer dollars.
    The Budget invests in the highest priority public health needs of the Nation—combatting the opioid epidemic, supporting services for serious mental illness, and preparing for public health threats.
    The Budget launches an initiative to end HIV/AIDS in America, an ambitious, yet necessary effort to eliminate a disease that has plagued the Nation for more than three decades.
    In addition, the Budget takes bold steps to increase access and reduce drug costs for Americans, empowers consumers and States to regain control over health- care and increase affordability and consumer choice, and strengthens and protects the Medicare program for America’s seniors.

    - Combats the Opioid Epidemic.

    - Addresses Mental Health Needs.

    - Reforms Drug Pricing and Payment.

    - Empowers States and Consumers to Reform Healthcare.

    - Modernizes Medicaid to Enhance State Flexibility.

    - Reduces Wasteful Medicaid Spending.

    - Improves Program Integrity for Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP.

    - Strengthens and Protects the Medicare Program.

    - Supports Access to Innovative New Medical Technology.

    - Launches an Initiative to End the HIV Epidemic in America.

    - Reforms and Improves the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps (Corps).

    - Prioritizes Critical Health Research.

    - Strengthens Health Services for American Indians and Alaska Natives.

    - Enhances Emergency Preparedness and Health Security.

    - Advances Medical Product Safety.

    - Tackles the Epidemic of Youth E-Cigarette Use.

    - Serves Older Americans.

    - Strengthens Work Requirements to Promote Self-Sufficiency.

    - Supports Children and Families in Achieving Their Potential.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...get-fy2020.pdf

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    It's rather difficult to believe that Trump's budget could be doing anything for seniors if Social Security and Medicare are being slashed.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    It's rather difficult to believe that Trump's budget could be doing anything for seniors if Social Security and Medicare are being slashed.
    Is it?

    A good Dutch expression jumps to mind: “Een mens lijdt dikwijls het meest aan het lijden dat hij vreest, maar dat nimmer op komt dagen”, or “Man suffers most from the suffering he fears, but which never appears.”

    Just wait and see what will happen.

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    What I'm hoping will happen is that Congress won't go for it.
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    It's rather difficult to believe that Trump's budget could be doing anything for seniors if Social Security and Medicare are being slashed.
    Is it?

    A good Dutch expression jumps to mind: “Een mens lijdt dikwijls het meest aan het lijden dat hij vreest, maar dat nimmer op komt dagen”, or “Man suffers most from the suffering he fears, but which never appears.”

    Just wait and see what will happen.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    What I'm hoping will happen is that Congress won't go for it.
    The Democrats, who now have the majority, will never go for any of Trump’s ideas. Even if they would be good or necessary.
    So you don’t have to worry.

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    Ah, but it's never really that simple!
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    What I'm hoping will happen is that Congress won't go for it.
    The Democrats, who now have the majority, will never go for any of Trump’s ideas. Even if they would be good or necessary.
    So you don’t have to worry.
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    Any digging into the Social Security and Medicare funds would show that they are already essentially bankrupt as the money has been taken out of those "accounts" to spend on any number of other government projects. This has been a problem for many years.

    Canada's socialized healthcare system was praised by the left for years, and now it's facing bankruptcy as well, and the situation of Canadians paying less for their healthcare is quickly changing, if it hasn't flipped already. This isn't hard to understand when you consider that the government footing the bill for all this healthcare only leads to the usual pork-barrel type of spending, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies overcharging the government, being awarded monopolies, and not having to compete with one another. These are all problems with socialist programs in general.

    Even in the 1600s to 1800s, as primitive as technology was back then, and with no government welfare at all, the sick and elderly were taken care of, and homelessness was virtually unheard of. How do you think they managed that? By actually acting on this "love," "kindness," and "charity" that so many people today claim to value but then pass on in practice. In practical terms, local communities came together voluntarily, often around their church organizations, to feed the hungry, give people places to stay, and provide medical treatment to the best of their ability for those times. They didn't shirk their responsibilities to pass it off on the government to just sign a blank check. Imagine that! What a radical idea.

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    Any digging into the Social Security and Medicare funds would show that they are already essentially bankrupt as the money has been taken out of those "accounts" to spend on any number of other government projects. This has been a problem for many years.

    Canada's socialized healthcare system was praised by the left for years, and now it's facing bankruptcy as well, and the situation of Canadians paying less for their healthcare is quickly changing, if it hasn't flipped already. This isn't hard to understand when you consider that the government footing the bill for all this healthcare only leads to the usual pork-barrel type of spending, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies overcharging the government, being awarded monopolies, and not having to compete with one another. These are all problems with socialist programs in general.

    Even in the 1600s to 1800s, as primitive as technology was back then, and with no government welfare at all, the sick and elderly were taken care of, and homelessness was virtually unheard of. How do you think they managed that? By actually acting on this "love," "kindness," and "charity" that so many people today claim to value but then pass on in practice. In practical terms, local communities came together voluntarily, often around their church organizations, to feed the hungry, give people places to stay, and provide medical treatment to the best of their ability for those times. They didn't shirk their responsibilities to pass it off on the government to just sign a blank check. Imagine that! What a radical idea.
    The American plans for medicare were the worst I have ever seen in the Western Hemisphere - the worst, completely sold to the big pharma, completely. No way it would ever work, ever. Layman with not much understanding in this could see it with naked eyes.

    The healthcare system in Canada has worked up to now. The main reason it presently has difficulties is because the population is getting too old (no new children, we make less than in the USA) and old people spend a lot more on healthcare than the younger ones.

    I am not correcting your post for your understanding, but rather for the rest of the members and forum readers.

    On healthcare, the system in Canada is still quite just. It does not let people end up in the street as beggars just because they have been sick.

    Which happens regularly in the USA.

    And I am not even a leftist, yet I see the truth of it. The system was created before the take over of large corporations throughout the world, because today, the extremely hungry international corporate world would never let it pass.

    Now, tell me, the whole western hemisphere, which has socialized medicine is wrong, only the USA is right? How closed minded one can be.

    In Canada, the tax system is crumbling too and the RRSP (401) also since the old people which will be one full third of the population in a few little years are paying less taxes and are getting their money out of their RRSP.

    When you write all your extreme rights false reasons for our systems in Canada to fail, not even listening to Canadians about it, and then you tell us what living in the 1600s was, allow me to think that you do not know what you are talking about.

    You read a lot, but your thinking is not at par.
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    Deleted my post as it was not related to the subject of this thread.
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    The problem with healthcare in the US is the high price of prescription drugs, doctors’ salaries, hospitals and health insurers.
    A good affordable healthcare program is not possible if that issue is not taken care of first.

    "Sky-high prices of everything make US healthcare the world's most expensive"

    America spends twice as much on health as 10 other rich countries, due to the high cost of everything from prescriptions to doctors

    The United States spends twice as much on healthcare as 10 other high-income nations, driven by the high price of everything from prescription drugs to doctors’ salaries, a new study in the Journal of the American Medical Association finds.

    Recent attempts to reform American healthcare have assigned blame for the high cost of care to nearly every sector – from drug companies to hospitals to health insurers.

    However, a co-author of the new study said those arguments ignore the “800-pound gorilla”: sky-high prices everywhere.

    “Most countries get to lower prices one of two ways: they either have a very strong price setter, usually a government agency, or more efficient markets,” said Dr Ashish Jha, co-author of the study by researchers at Harvard’s TH Chan School of Public Health. “The US has figured out how to do the worst of both.”

    n the study, America was compared to 10 other countries: the United Kingdom, Canada, Germany, Australia, Japan, Sweden, France, Denmark, the Netherlands and Switzerland.

    Researchers used 98 indicators to compare countries across seven areas: general spending, population health, structural capacity, utilization, pharmaceuticals, access and quality and equity. The majority of the data came from international organizations, such as the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. What researchers found was not a single sector with high prices, but that every sector had extraordinary price tags.

    For example, the average salary for a general practice physician in the other countries was between $86,607 and $154,126. In the US, the average salary was $218,173.

    Per capita spending for prescription drugs in other nations ranged from $466 to $939. In the US, per capita spending was $1,443.

    The US also spends more on administrative costs. Other nations spend between 1%-3% to administer their health plans. Administrative costs are 8% of total health spending in the US.

    This results in US health costs that, as a percentage of gross domestic product, are nearly double that of other nations. In 2016, the US spent 17.8% of GDP, compared to 9.6%-12.4% in other countries.

    At the same time, America often had the worst population health outcomes, and worst overall health coverage.

    The US ranked last in life expectancy; had the worst maternal mortality rates (nearly triple that of the United Kingdom); more infant deaths than any other country, and a high rate of low birth weight babies.

    Other countries had universal, or near universal, health insurance rates. The US ranked last. Just 90% of Americans have health insurance, leaving about 27 million people without access to healthcare.

    Jha said whether the US moves toward more private healthcare, as advocated by Republicans, or to single-payer healthcare, as advocated by liberal Democrats, price tags on all American health services need to be addressed.

    “I’m happy to move in either direction that will allow for lower prices, but right now we’re not even having that debate,” said Jha. “We’re fighting over all sorts of other things.”

    The study’s possible weaknesses include comparability of data, with different countries having “modest” differences in data collection.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rices-salaries

    On this "critical" Trump thread I can't help sharing this article, as one will never hear this on mainstream media.
    Let's say some positive thing about the guy for a change.


    "How Team Trump is bringing drug prices down"

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/07/how-te...g-prices-down/

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    There are several pro-Trump threads where this article would be more appropriate. This thread is for the side of the Trump Admin. that pro-Trumpers don't want to look at. Whether one would see it on mainstream media or not isn't really much of an issue on Avalon, in any case.
    Quote Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)

    On this "critical" Trump thread I can't help sharing this article, as one will never hear this on mainstream media.
    Let's say some positive thing about the guy for a change.


    "How Team Trump is bringing drug prices down"

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/07/how-te...g-prices-down/
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    There are several pro-Trump threads where this article would be more appropriate. This thread is for the side of the Trump Admin. that pro-Trumpers don't want to look at. Whether one would see it on mainstream media or not isn't really much of an issue on Avalon, in any case.
    Quote Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)

    On this "critical" Trump thread I can't help sharing this article, as one will never hear this on mainstream media.
    Let's say some positive thing about the guy for a change.


    "How Team Trump is bringing drug prices down"

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/07/how-te...g-prices-down/
    If Trump is doing something good, even if this thread is anti him, why not mentioning it. From all Western rich countries point of view, the health care system in the USA is literally scandalous. It is the optimum of corporate greed. Bringing any price tag down in the US would be a start albeit a tiny one.

    Americans need that information Onawah, wherever they get it.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    There are several pro-Trump threads where this article would be more appropriate. This thread is for the side of the Trump Admin. that pro-Trumpers don't want to look at. Whether one would see it on mainstream media or not isn't really much of an issue on Avalon, in any case.
    Oops .................

    Any other threads with the word Trump in the title? Show me.
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    The existence of Trump's name in the title of the thread is not necessarily an indicator that the thread is pro or anti-Trump.
    I think that you probably know quite well which threads are which.
    If it's that important to you, why not start a thread of your own with Trump's name in the title?
    Quote Posted by Deux Corbeaux (here)
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    There are several pro-Trump threads where this article would be more appropriate. This thread is for the side of the Trump Admin. that pro-Trumpers don't want to look at. Whether one would see it on mainstream media or not isn't really much of an issue on Avalon, in any case.
    Oops .................

    Any other threads with the word Trump in the title? Show me.
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    If Trump is doing something good, even if this thread is anti him, why not mentioning it. From all Western rich countries point of view, the health care system in the USA is literally scandalous. It is the optimum of corporate greed. Bringing any price tag down in the US would be a start albeit a tiny one.

    Americans need that information Onawah, wherever they get it.
    So is there a movement afoot again to censor any information on the forum that is somewhat critical of the Trump Admin.?
    Is the Web so bereft of pro-Trump info that we cannot afford to have one thread on Avalon that is more neutral and open to examining policies that may not be favorable to the people?
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    So is there a movement afoot again to censor any information on the forum that is somewhat critical of the Trump Admin.?
    Is the Web so bereft of pro-Trump info that we cannot afford to have one thread on Avalon that is more neutral and open to examining policies that may not be favorable to the people?
    I’m nor pro nor contra, but neutral, examining policies, which, I discovered, were not favorable to you.

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    Somehow your post didn't come across to me as "neutral", Deux. Can you see why? I'm breathing just fine, thanks, and staying neutral enough to maintain that this thread was not intended by the OP to say some "positive things about the guy for a change", particularly since there are several threads devoted to saying positive things about him ALL the time. And which are VERY quick to censor anything negative about Trump expressed on them.
    Let's keep our boundaries intact, please.
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    On this "critical" Trump thread I can't help sharing this article, as one will never hear this on mainstream media.
    Let's say some positive thing about the guy for a change.


    "How Team Trump is bringing drug prices down"

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/07/how-te...g-prices-down/
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    I’ve put out good information, but I’ll step back. You have the floor all to yourself.

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