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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I think much pro-Trump opinion is being created and promoted in an ever more skillful way (trumping even the Obama Admin, and that's saying a lot) by one faction of the elite that has currently gained the edge over the other leading faction.
    And people are being just as hoodwinked now as they ever were, just in a different way.
    But I see nothing nitpicky about this video:
    I listen to Alex Jones everyday, literally everyday.
    I think I'm pretty aware of Alex's opinion regardless of what your hit piece says.
    People pick and choose things he says and place them out of context.
    I'm much more concerned with what I hear from Alex on a day to day basis versus some cut and paste job.

    You talk about one leading faction over another.
    I don't think you get it.
    I repeated Globalism over and over again to make a singular point.
    Dare I say Globalism again.
    Trump is fighting Globalism.
    You will never understand the truth until you understand the goals of the elite.
    They have ALL the money.
    They have ALL the land.
    Now they have the technology to increase their life spans.
    They want the earth for themselves and their descendants.

    Some of the elite are vampire satanists.
    Others are environmentalists concerned about the human race and the planet earth.
    They do not care about more money and power.
    They care about one thing right now.
    Depopulation.
    These elite are convinced that the earth will not be habitable in a few generations if something isn't done about the ever increasing human population.
    They are going to kill 95% of the people on the planet and rule the remaining five percent in some kind of technological mind controlled Aldous Huxley "brave new world" way.

    You do not get it.
    I'll say it ten thousand times.
    You will never get it until you understand the depopulation agenda.
    Everything else you have mentioned is absolutely pointless if you do not understand this.
    Bill and Kerry's research has pointed to this all along.
    No one wants to hear it.
    Bill is so sure this is about to take place he is kicking it on a mountain top in Ecuador.
    You think he is living there for the weather? Bill please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.

    Pipelines running through North Dakota don't matter.
    Drilling for oil in the ocean doesn't matter.
    Sleeping with porn stars at the age of 60, guess what? It doesn't matter.

    When I see folks in the alternative side exposed to the information we have been exposed to I'm lost for how and why they are some how so impervious to the obvious.
    I will not give any response on this thread again, the title is something I disagree with so much I see no reason to give this title a viewing by having responded on it.
    ok, but hit peace or not, he says that trump was picked by military intelligence, the video makes connections of this... can you talk about that instead of back and forth ...not just to you dna...but to er body in general
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    As long as partisan politics exist, there will be no real progress on this planet. Going through all this manufactured hatred and wars system towards an evolved humanity needs to let go of partisanship.

    Trump versus Clinton or Democrats versus Republicans is partisan politics. For the people. Because in fact, the world is controlled by a single source or earthly power with very few people in it. And all political camps are underneath it, including Trump.

    On average, I find this forum very partisan oriented towards Republicans and Trump. It is very difficult to bring anything that is opening eyes on Trump without being torn apart in pieces here on this forum.

    For me, this is a sad state of things. Because the raison d'être of this forum is precisely openness to all possibilities and all states of affairs. Isn't it possible that Trump is just part of the same, but from another faction fighting the Clintons faction, not for fighting for the people. A new faction taking power over us, not for us???
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    Using those labels and assuming that you know what is motivating another is buying into all the divisive tactics that the elite have used all along to create the kind of chaos that they savor.
    I appreciate the good things that Trump is doing, but like any politician, he is not blameless nor is he immune to corruption.
    I will be as happy as anyone if the Clinton/Obama crime ring is busted for good.

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    Degeneration Nation 2018: The Darkest Hour
    From: Organic Consumers Association 2/1/18
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    Quote Welcome to Degeneration Nation 2018. The frightening truth is that our “profit-at-any-cost” economy and global empire, run by and for the one percent and multi-national corporations, aided and abetted by an out-of-control Congress and White House, is threatening our very survival.

    Our system of democracy, global co-existence, our physical and mental health, and the health of the living Earth—our climate, soils, forests, wetlands, watersheds, and oceans—is rapidly degenerating. The rhythms of nature—the atmosphere, the soil carbon cycle, the water cycle and the climate—are unraveling.

    Which is more frightening? The destruction of the environment and the climate that sustain human civilization as we have known it? Or the collapse of democracy and the rise of endless war and fascism?

    Even though many are still either in denial or preoccupied by the daily struggle for survival, the most serious threat that humans have ever encountered in our 150,000-year evolution is global warming and severe climate change.

    A growing corps of climate experts have warned us repeatedly that we must stop burning fossil fuels. We must eliminate destructive food, farming and land-use practices. And we must draw down enough carbon dioxide (CO2) from the Earth's atmosphere through enhanced natural photosynthesis (regenerative food, farming, and land use), to return us to 350 parts-per-million (ppm), or better yet to pre-industrial levels of 280 ppm.

    According to the majority of climate scientists we are fast approaching the point of no return, whereby global warming and climate change will morph into runaway global warming, melting of the polar ice-caps, catastrophic sea rise, evermore deadly forest fires, climate chaos, global crop failures, famine, and societal disintegration. This point of no return could arrive as soon as 25 years from now—that is if we don’t stop releasing greenhouse gases and start drawing down “legacy” CO2 from the atmosphere into our soils through regenerative food, farming and land use.

    As world-renowned climate scientist Dr. James Hansen wrote:

    “If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted, paleoclimate evidence and ongoing climate change suggest that CO2 will need to be reduced from its current levels to at most 350 ppm…”

    Global warming you ask? But what about the threat of nuclear war with North Korea or Iran? What about Trump’s recently reported statement that a strategic terrorist attack in the U.S would likely enable the Republicans to maintain control of Congress in 2018?

    What about the fact that 62 million Americans actually voted for Donald Trump in November 2016 (65 million voted for Hillary and 92 million were too disgusted or demoralized to vote at all), and that most of these 62 million people still support him?

    Or how about the Harvard-University of Melbourne study that found “the share of Americans who think that rule by the armed forces would be a ‘good’ or ‘very good’ thing rose from one in 16 in 1995 to one in six in 2014?”

    What about increasing police brutality, misogyny, homophobia, racism, threats against immigrants, mass deportations, drug addiction, a crumbling infrastructure, and rampant unemployment and poverty?

    And what about public health? A recent Rand Corporation study that found that 60 percent of Americans suffer from at least one chronic health condition such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity, and arthritis; 42 percent have two or more of these illnesses; and that these chronic diseases now account for more than 40 percent of the $3.5 trillion that people are handing over to Big Pharma and the medical industrial complex?

    What about the U.S.’s endless, now trillion-dollar wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and a dozen other countries?

    It’s not just the U.S. and North America that have degenerated to unprecedented levels.

    Up until now most of global civil society, rather than united in a common global campaign to reverse climate change, deteriorating public health, poverty, forced migration and war, remains divided by national borders, ethnic identities, single- or limited-issue organizing, and class and gender divisions.

    The rise of authoritarian and fascist regimes, and the weakening of a common sense of purpose, cooperation and solidarity have brought us to a dangerous precipice.

    Will global civil society wake up in time, break down the walls and issue silos that divide us, connect the dots between all of our burning issues, and unite across borders in a common global campaign for survival and regeneration?

    Beyond the darkest hour: regeneration

    The good news is that there are a number of positive signs that people in the Americas, and all over the world, especially the youth, are waking up. These signs include:

    • An emerging world view or ideology is replacing the traditional paradigms of “unlimited growth” or “sustainability.” It’s called "Regeneration." This new paradigm, unlike the outdated ideologies of corporate capitalism or state socialism, has the power to unite the global grassroots—farmers, consumers, businesses and policymakers—in a joint campaign to reverse climate change and restore the environment. Regenerative food, farming and land use, coupled with 100-percent renewable energy, scaled up globally on the Earth’s 22 billion acres of farmland, rangeland, wetlands and forests, has the potential to not only mitigate, but to actually reverse global warming. Regenerative farming and land use can do this by drawing down through enhanced photosynthesis the 200 billion tons of excess carbon lodged in the atmosphere and sequestering it in our living soils and biota. At the same time, this global regeneration can dramatically reduce conflict and rural poverty among the world’s 3.5 billion small farmers and rural villagers. Regenerative food and farming, focused on revitalizing soil and plant health, and on improving the economic situation of the world’s small farmers and rural villagers, also has the power to clean up the environment and qualitatively improve the nutritional density and quality of our foods, thereby eliminating the major causes of malnutrition, chronic disease and toxic exposure.

    • Every nation in the world, except for the Trump administration in Washington, D.C., has signed onto the Paris Climate Treaty to move to zero fossil fuel emissions by 2050. Many nations have also signed on to the “4 for 1000: Soils for Food Security and Climate Initiative, a bold international policy initiative to draw down enough excess atmospheric carbon through regenerative food, farming and land-use practices to not only mitigate, but actually reverse, global warming.

    • Renewable energy has begun to replace fossil fuels. It is now cheaper to invest in wind and solar than to build new coal plants. Soon it will be more profitable to install solar and wind power than to keep existing fossil fuel plants running. Electric cars and trucks will likely replace gas-powered vehicles within the next few decades. Investors and public institutions are starting to divest billions, and eventually trillions, of dollars from the fossil fuel industry.

    • A critical mass of the global grassroots is starting to wake up and resist—North, South, East, and West—organizing politically, slowly but surely developing climate-friendly and equitable solutions to our most pressing problems: climate, poverty, war, deteriorating public health, forced migration, unemployment and political corruption. In the U.S., progressive and radical forces, led by youth, women and minorities, will likely soon sweep the majority of corrupt politicians from office, not only in the nation’s 40,000 cities, towns and counties, but at the federal level as well. Similar trends are emerging in dozens of other countries as well, even in repressive dictatorships such as China, Russia and Iran. The bottom line is that people all over the world are fed up with corrupt politicians and greedy businessmen. There is no future for the youth, nor for any of us without fundamental change and regeneration.

    • Polls now indicate that the most popular national politician in the U.S. today is democratic socialist Bernie Sanders, who will likely run and be elected President of the U.S. in 2020. Similarly polls indicate that Lopez Obrador, with politics similar to Sanders, will be elected President of Mexico in July 2018. Similar progressive leaders are emerging in many countries, many of them youth, women, and minorities.

    The darkest hour is indeed before the dawn. We’ve hit bottom here in the U.S., and in most of the countries of the world. The situation is dire. Time is short. But there’s still time to turn things around. For information on the emerging Regeneration International movement click here.
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    I found it really interesting in state of the Union speech that Trump happened to mention he wanted to guarantee those with a prison record the right to secure employment. Totally agree with that.

    He also speechified about vast infrastructure projects he wants to initiate. Sounds good too. I couldn't help but think it's no coincidence that 'securing work' for 'former' prisoners might somehow have to do with creating a labor force for infrastructure projects. There's a lot of strong bodies pumping iron in prisons.

    And it's very possible something like 'apprenticeship' programs using inmates will be used on these projects. So, it could end up being a slave labour type of situation that takes place under the domain of the incarceration system.

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    Quote Posted by flash (here)
    as long as partisan politics exist, there will be no real progress on this planet. Going through all this manufactured hatred and wars system towards an evolved humanity needs to let go of partisanship.

    Trump versus clinton or democrats versus republicans is partisan politics. For the people. Because in fact, the world is controlled by a single source or earthly power with very few people in it. And all political camps are underneath it, including trump.

    On average, i find this forum very partisan oriented towards republicans and trump. It is very difficult to bring anything that is opening eyes on trump without being torn apart in pieces here on this forum.

    For me, this is a sad state of things. Because the raison d'être of this forum is precisely openness to all possibilities and all states of affairs. Isn't it possible that trump is just part of the same, but from another faction fighting the clintons faction, not for fighting for the people. A new faction taking power over us, not for us???
    exactly...
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    Default Re: Trump is NOT the answer

    No matter which clown happens to be in the office, nothing ever changes. For the better.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Jerome Corsi advises that everyone listen to the video link in his most recent tweet (below).... which is also posted below the Corsi tweet...

    In this video, you may just happen to learn what is meant when Alex Jones says that the U.S. military is backing Donald Trump... Corsi says it himself @ ~ 2:15... No, its not the Israeli Mossad... no, no... its our own pro-Constitutional forces that are very adamant about standing up for the Constitution.... and preserving the principles of this Republic...

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    I encourage you to listen to this YouTube broadcast youtube.com/watch?v=sGtOMWYJ|TY… excellent synopsis of #QAnon #Qanon8chan understands the various DECODES I have published scribd.com/document/37042… (scroll to bottom of scribd doc to see additional @jerome_corsi DECODES



    Qanon Decode Multiple Posts Mon Tues Jan 29 & 30 Vers 15.0 Narrative Shifts completed Jan. 31, 2018...
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    I would say it's not about a "clown", but about a grassroots movement that has been in the works for a long time. It's called Rule of Law....that's what this is about;

    upholding The Constitution.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Don't Stand for Drilling in our Oceans
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    Quote Trump’s Department of the Interior has proposed opening 90% of US coasts to offshore drilling -- even in states that don't want it. At the same time, Congress is moving to dismantle safety regulations that were enacted after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. They also failed to renew a longstanding oil tax that funds cleanup efforts for oil spills.

    It almost sounds too sinister to be true -- they want to open 90% of our coasts to drilling but won't enforce basic safety standards or fund programs to clean up the inevitable spills.

    If Trump's plan becomes reality, spills will be inevitable -- and devastating. In 2010, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill damaged 1,313 miles of coastline. That's more than the entire length of California, or half the Atlantic coast. Offshore oil spills happen frequently, devastating marine environments, commercial fishing industries, and tourism businesses. Even without spills, offshore oil causes pollution.

    The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM) is accepting comments on the proposed plan through March 9th. Submit your comment and tell them to keep oil rigs away from our coasts!
    https://sierra.secure.force.com/acti...ign=newsletter
    I'm not a fan of Sierra Club as their policies promote and support the Globalist agenda. I don't like oil spills either, however I don't feel Sierra Club's agendas promote the interests of the people long term. This article is pretty eye opening for those unfamiliar with Sierra Club's activities and intentions.

    Source: https://www.activistfacts.com/organi...4-sierra-club/

    "Founded in 1892 by John Muir to “make the mountains glad,” the Sierra Club is the oldest and arguably the most powerful environmental group in the nation. But its concerns are no longer limited to the happiness of the highlands. Once dedicated to conserving wilderness for future human enjoyment, the Sierra Club has become an anti-growth, anti-technology, anti-energy group that puts its utopian environmentalist vision before the well-being of humans.

    Some of its leadership positions are held by activists with radical ties and even violent criminals. The Club has done well preserving a “mainstream” image, despite its increasingly radical bent. And with an annual budget of roughly $100 million, the organization has the money and power to push that radical agenda.

    The Sierra Club advocates a number of extremist policies that put the organization odds with the scientific community. For instance, the organization advocates an end to obtaining energy from ANY fossil fuel sources, nuclear power, or large-scale hydroelectric projects even though leading climate change scientists note that wind and solar aren’t enough to meet our energy needs. The Sierra Club also stirs up controversy regarding genetically modified foods, though the scientific consensus is that there’s no evidence GMOs are harmful.

    To fund its radical activist agenda, the Sierra Club gathers funding from a suspicious maze of donations, including funding from an off-shore shell company based in Bermuda. Even more alarmingly, U.S. taxpayers are funding a portion of the Sierra Club’s extremist activities—the organization’s lawsuits against the EPA have netted the organization almost a million dollars in attorneys’ fees paid by the Department of Justice.

    Now that the Sierra Club has joined with a coalition of environmental activist groups, labor unions, and other left-liberal groups to form the Democracy Initiative, the Sierra Club has an even more powerful platform to promote its radical agenda."



    And this...wow, just wow is all I can say....

    "Suing for Profit

    The Sierra Club is no stranger to the courtroom. It’s one of many environmental groups that have colluded with federal agencies in “sue and settle” lawsuits.

    In these cases, environmental activists sue the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), arguing that the agency is taking too long to issue a particular regulation or that the agency isn’t meeting a specific legal requirement. The EPA can then either defend itself in court or settle with the environmentalists. In several cases the EPA issued a consent agreement to settle cases the very same day activists filed their lawsuits.

    In many cases, if the environmentalists are successful in suing the EPA, the groups’ attorneys’ fees are paid by the federal government. According to a 2011 report from the Government Accountability Office, between 1995 and 2010, taxpayers reimbursed the Sierra Club to the tune of $966,687."


    EDIT TO ADD and from the same article:

    “Beyond” Energy Campaigns

    “They’re cheating themselves if they keep believing this fiction that all we need is renewable energy such as wind and solar.”
    – James Hansen, former NASA climate change scientist to the Associated Press

    One of the Sierra Club’s primary goals is to shrink our energy portfolio to only include renewable resources such as wind and solar. The Club runs campaigns aimed at eliminating the use of fossil fuels, including “Beyond Coal,” “Beyond Natural Gas,” and “Beyond Oil.” Ending the use of fossil fuels isn’t enough for the Club, however. The Sierra Club also opposes the use of nuclear power and large-scale hydropower. Currently, “Sierra Club-approved” energy sources contribute less than 5% of the power in the United States and adoption of their unrealistic energy policy would mean disaster for family budgets and the economy."
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    Center for Biological Diversity
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    2/1/18
    Quote The Center for Biological Diversity has crunched the numbers:
    http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/n...m_medium=email
    Trump's proposal to dramatically ramp up offshore drilling could lead to 5,571 oil spills dumping 34.4 million gallons of oil into ocean waters off Alaska, the West and East coasts, and the Gulf of Mexico through the span of oil production.

    This estimate is more than 10 times what was expected in the worst-case scenario for the offshore leasing plan approved by the Obama administration, which only included leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska's Cook Inlet.

    "Trump's plan will be a long, oil-soaked nightmare for our coasts and wildlife," said Dr. Abel Valdivia, the Center scientist who conducted the analysis. "No president has ever pushed a drilling plan that would do so much damage along so many American coastlines. It's really astonishing."

    Outraged? Join us at a series of hearings and public protests in the coming weeks:
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    Quote For Immediate Release, January 31, 2018

    Contact: Abel Valdivia, (510) 844-7103, avaldivia@biologicaldiversity.org

    Analysis: Trump Offshore Plan Could Cause More Than 5,000 Oil Spills

    More Than 34 Million Gallons Could Be Dumped Along America's Coasts

    WASHINGTON— The Trump administration’s proposal to dramatically ramp up offshore drilling could lead to 5,571 oil spills dumping 34.4 million gallons of oil into ocean waters off Alaska, the West Coast, East Coast and Gulf of Mexico, according to a new Center for Biological Diversity analysis.

    The estimated number of oil spills over the leases’ lifespan could be more than 10 times what was expected in the worst-case scenario from the offshore leasing plan approved by the Obama administration, which only included leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska’s Cook Inlet.

    “Trump’s plan will be a long, oil-soaked nightmare for our coasts and wildlife,” said Abel Valdivia, the Center ocean scientist who conducted the analysis. “No president has ever pushed a drilling plan that would do so much damage along so many American coastlines. It’s really astonishing.”

    The Center’s spill analysis of Trump’s draft 2019-2024 leasing plan is based on historical data and federal records. It assumes average spill rates for platforms and pipelines based on 1974-2015 data, but it doesn’t include catastrophic events like the 2010 BP Deepwater Horizon disaster, which released more than 210 million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. The Trump administration’s efforts to roll back drilling safety regulations and expand drilling into treacherous Arctic waters could also drive those estimates even higher.

    According to the Center’s analysis:

    About 53 percent of the spills would likely occur in the Gulf of Mexico (mostly in the Central and Western Gulf);
    About 28 percent would happen in northern Alaska (mostly in the Chukchi and Beaufort seas);
    About 12 percent of spills would be along the West Coast (mostly in Southern California);
    About 7 percent would be off the East Coast, mostly in the north and mid- Atlantic;
    Catastrophic events like the Deepwater Horizon spill could dramatically increase the total oil spilled, given the Trump administration’s proposed rollback of safety rules.
    “Oil spills do long-lasting damage to marine ecosystems and wildlife, from the smallest plankton to sea turtles and dolphins,” Valdivia said. “Marine organisms are already under significant stress from overfishing, pollution and climate change, and toxic oil spills are the last thing they need.”

    An oil spill in the Arctic would be impossible to clean up, threatening endangered polar bears, walruses and whales. The Chukchi Sea is very remote, with no infrastructure, and the nearest oil-spill response Coast Guard station is more than 1,000 miles away. President Obama extended protections to the Arctic Ocean to prevent such a disaster.

    On the West Coast alone, carrying out Trump’s plan is expected to cause 657 spills, dumping more than 4 million gallons of oil into coastal waters of the Pacific. The plan will be the subject of large protests in six California coastal cities on Feb. 3 and official public hearings on Feb. 5 in Tacoma, Wash.; Feb. 6 in Salem, Ore.; and Feb. 8 in Sacramento, Calif., each preceded by protests. Details are at www.endangeredoceans.org.

    Background
    The Trump administration has yet to release any of its own estimates on how many oil spills could result from its five-year plan. The Center’s analysis is conservative. It was broken into large spills (over 1,000 barrels, or 42,000 gallons), with assumed volumes based on historic median oil-spill size, and the average volumes and frequency for spills of under 1,000 barrels. Spill estimates were based on undiscovered, economically recoverable oil in the planning areas and could rise or fall depending on the anticipated productivity of offshore wells and factors such as the price of oil.

    Under Obama’s 2017-2022 leasing plan, the federal government estimated a maximum of 546 spills containing about 4 million gallons of oil. Trump’s new proposal will replace that plan and significantly increase the threat of oil spills. Both plans offered leases that can last for decades, with oil production usually peaking within 20 years of the lease sale.

    The Center’s oil spill calculations and estimates for each planning area are available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1msW...rVBUTM7w0/view

    The Center for Biological Diversity is a national, nonprofit conservation organization with more than 1.6 million members and online activists dedicated to the protection of endangered species and wild places.
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    Center for Biological Diversity
    Trump's Offshore Plan Could Cause More Than 5,500 Oil Spills
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    Key word, 'could'.......

    Who is Center for Biological Diversity? Oh that's right....another NGO created for the implementation of the AGENDA 21/AGENDA 2030/FUTURE EARTH blueprint. Great organization to bring up, as it proves what other members are suggesting...population control as part of the agenda. Are you willing to be the first to stand in line Onawah? I like to ask people this question, not to be mean, but if you're going to promote the 'anti-population' movement of the globalist, than it says to me you have no problem giving up your life and that of your family to practice what's being preached in your posts by support of organizations who stand for depopulation agendas..But I find most aren't even aware that ultimately, this is what they're promoting.

    And many of us do understand, which is why we are against movements and organizations clearly supported by the globalists promoting their nefarious agendas.


    "The Sustainable Development Goal 15 of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development is devoted to “protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss”.

    At the Rio+20 Conference, Member States reaffirmed, through paragraphs 197- 204 of the outcome document, the Future We Want, that “intrinsic value of biological diversity, as well as the ecological, genetic, social, economic, scientific, educational, cultural, recreational and aesthetic values of biological diversity and its critical role in maintaining ecosystems that provide essential services, which are critical foundations for sustainable development and human well-being”. Member States also recognized “the severity of global biodiversity loss and degradation of ecosystems” and stress the negative impact that this situation has on food security, nutrition, access to water, health of the rural poor and people worldwide”.

    Furthermore, the Future We Want reiterated the importance of implementing the Strategic Plan for Biodiversity 2011-2020, and achieving the Aichi Biodiversity Targets adopted at the Tenth Conference of the Parties to the Convention.

    Biodiversity was discussed by the Commission on Sustainable Development on several occasions, and was one of the themes of the 2012/2013 two-year cycle.

    At the World Summit on Sustainable Development, held in Johannesburg 2002, biological diversity was addressed in Chapter IV, paragraph 44, of the outcome of the Summit, the Johannesburg Plan of Implementation
    . The Summit also endorsed the target to achieve, by 2010, a significant reduction of the rate of biodiversity loss at global, regional and national levels as a contribution to poverty alleviation and to the benefit of all life on earth, which had some months earlier been adopted by the sixth meeting of the CBD Conference of Parties (COP).

    Conservation of biological diversity is the subject of Chapter 15 of Agenda 21 which was adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, in 1992, in Rio de Janeiro. On the same occasion, the United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD), was opened for signature and remained open for signature until 4 June 1993. By that time, it had received 168 signatures. The Convention entered into force on 29 December 1993, 90 days after the 30th ratification. The first session of the Conference of the Parties was scheduled for 28 November – 9 December 1994 in the Bahamas."


    Source: https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...yandecosystems


    Environmentalist Group To Hand Out "Endangered Species Condoms"
    https://www.infowars.com/environment...ecies-condoms/

    "Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity to hand out so-called “endangered species condoms” to college health centers, nightclub owners, environmental activists across the US, depicting, among other things, polar bears to highlight “the connection between unsustainable human population growth and the ongoing extinction crisis for plants and animals around the world.”

    "The group’s website boasts that “it is the only environmental group with a full-time campaign highlighting the connection between unsustainable human population growth and the ongoing extinction crisis for plants and animals around the world.”The website goes on to say that this latest initiative is part of a “full-time population campaign launched in 2009”


    But wait there's more!!!! Continuing from the same article:

    "In a 2010 article on the corporate funders of environmentalist organizations across the United States, Michael Barker notes that the Center for Biological Diversity has been on the receiving end of cash-flows from all the major elites in the Anglo-American world. Quoting from a study examining which organizations are supported by which elites, Barker writes:

    “One of the primary groups examined in Bevington’s study was the Center for Biological Diversity (formed in 1989), [22] and which in 2008 received support from elite philanthropic bodies that included the Foundation for Deep Ecology, the Environment Now Foundation, Tides Foundation, ExxonMobil Foundation, The New York Times Company Foundation, and even the “big green” environmental outfit, The Wilderness Society. Corporate funders of the “grassroots” Center for Biological Diversity included the likes of Goldman Sachs, the Bank of America, and Microsoft.

    Interesting to note here that the Center received all these major fundings in 2008, upon which it launched a major population control campaign the year after. This suggests that the same old foundations headed by the same old elites are continuing to push their vision of a depopulated world."



    WOW, case in point just demonstrated.
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    "Extreme greens, such as Center for Biological Diversity and Sierra Club, espouse an agenda that, if implemented, would minimize economic expansion, decrease human population growth, and centralize control of energy and related economic activities, in a global government, all the while stuffing their pockets with cash through green-energy crony schemes (think Solyndra). This is bolstered by the fact that they refuse to acknowledge or offer solutions to increasingly large and dangerous wildfires in federally controlled forests, range lands, and national parks and monuments. It’s apparent to everyone with neural activity that these extremist greens are not about saving the planet from ‘climate change’ or protecting the environment. They’re about debasing Western Civilization by relegating the energy sources that makes civilization possible to the past."

    Source: http://reagangirl.com/hypocritical-e...rom-wildfires/


    Many of us agree on certain green solutions, but not by these type of buffoons who clearly aren't doing it with 'we the people' in mind.
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    How Public Schools Became The Koch Brothers’ ‘Lowest Hanging Fruit’
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    Quote Despite his campaign promises to transform American education, President Donald Trump had almost nothing to say about the subject in his first State of the Union speech, and his controversial education secretary Betsy DeVos has not made national headlines for some time. But that doesn’t mean Republicans are pausing their assault on the nation’s public schools.

    As James Hohmann of the Washington Post reports, GOP fat cats who make up the powerful donor network led by billionaire industrialist Charles Koch recently met in California and declared their intention to “fundamentally transform America’s education system,” including the K-12 sector.

    “The lowest hanging fruit for policy change in the United States today is K-12,” said one of the attendees, a wealthy Texan who co-founded Texans for Educational Opportunity, a lobbying group behind the effort in the Lone Star State to create vouchers that let parents use taxpayer dollars to send their kids to private or religious schools. “I think [K-12] is the area that is most glaringly obvious.”

    “The vast network has pledged to devote around $400 million” to influencing political campaigns in the upcoming November elections, reports Annie Linskey of the Boston Globe, who also dropped in on the affair. “That’s 60 percent more than the network spent in 2014, when Republicans picked up nine seats in the Senate and 13 seats in the House of Representatives.”

    A “major focus” for those pledging these staggering sums, according to Linskey: referendums and new state laws “to remake the nation’s education system.”

    The revelation of a huge, influential network of wealthy conservatives determined to remake public schools into their own vision should not surprise anyone who has been paying attention. Leading scholars of the conservative movement have been warning for years that radical factions in the Republican party have made public schools one of their top targets, a progressive plum at least as important, if not more so, as Medicare and Social Security.

    What’s not certain though is whether Democrats will recognize the onslaught and rise to the challenge of defending public schools and public school educators.

    What the Right Wing Wants

    Participants at the Koch Network gathering spoke of “disrupting the status quo” in education in order to remake the system around policies that enable more of what they call “choice.”

    “The Kochs are particularly enthusiastic about education savings accounts,” Linskey writes, “a mechanism that upends traditional K-12 education by, in some cases, giving parents lump sums they can use to pay private schools or even online institutions to educate their children.”

    Currently, five states allow for Education Savings Accounts: Florida, Mississippi, North Carolina, Arizona, and Tennessee. But legislation to create new ESA programs is pending in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Missouri, Iowa, Texas, Georgia, and elsewhere.

    ESAs have been called “the next generation of school vouchers,” and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has called ESAs “the driver behind school choice of the future.”

    The programs vary somewhat from state to state, but generally the programs allow qualifying parents who withdraw their children from public schools to get a proportion of the money the state would otherwise have spent to educate their children deposited into an account. The accounts come with debit cards families can use to pay for education products and services such as private schools, home schooling, online courses, private lessons and therapists, and tutoring services.

    The programs tend to pose significant risks to parents, as states release funds to parents in exchange for the parents agreeing to forego their right to a public education.

    Advocates for these programs often begin by targeting ESAs to disadvantaged student groups, such as those from low-income households or those with special needs. But then, invariably, ESA proponents want to expand the program to entice other families to leave the public school system.

    Participants at the Koch Network gathering, Hohmann reports, spoke of ESAs being instrumental in redirecting public school funding to an array of privately-controlled alternatives to public schools, including “technologies” that let parents pick and choose private classes or tutors, teacher-less computer based instructional programs often called “personalized” or “customized” learning, and “micro-schools” that substitute computer software platforms for the traditional shared-space of a public school led by professional educators.

    ESAs further the conservative cause to transform collectivist endeavors, like public education, into consumer enterprises that give the wealthy the upper hand in maintaining their privileges. The amount of money ESAs provide per student rarely covers the full cost of tuition, fees, uniforms, books, transportation, and other expenses at private and religious schools.

    During one session at the Koch Network meeting, the audience was harangued by Doug Ducey, a Koch acolyte and former chief executive of Cold Stone Creamery who now serves as governor of Arizona. Ducey offered his state as a model for how to remake public schools.

    Last year, Arizona enacted a universal, statewide ESA program that is now being threatened by a citizen-led repeal effort, which voters will decide in November. The Koch Brothers, through their Americans for Prosperity and Libre Initiative organizations, have already spent millions to derail the recall effort in the public forum and in the state courts. A Superior Court Judge recently tossed out their effort to stop the referendum, so now the Koch Network is drumming up more money to defeat the recall at the ballot box.

    In his reporting of the discussion, Hohmann incorrectly cites “teacher unions” as the leaders in the decidedly broad-based effort to collect signatures and put the statewide ESA recall to voters. Nevertheless, participants in the Koch Network called “breaking the teacher unions” an essential to getting their education ideas enacted.

    The Right Wing’s Long Game

    The group gathered at the Koch Network event are not your run-of-the-mill right-wing conspirators. Members of the network, some 700 of them, have to contribute a minimum of $100,000 annually, and they hold huge sway with Republican candidates and elected officials.

    They’ve been working on building this influence for a long time.

    As Jane Mayer recounts in her book Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right, Charles and David Koch and other conservative billionaire families have orchestrated a decades-long effort to influence U.S. politics. She makes a convincing case that, after years of careful planning and generous funding, the Kochs have succeeded in spreading their antipathy toward government and progressivism and establishing themselves at the center of conservative Republican politics.

    While Trump may have initially distanced his presidential campaign from the Kochs and their network, once in office, he quickly hired Koch allies, like DeVos, and pushed new legislation, such as the recently enacted tax plan that the Kochs now pledge $20 million to “sell” to the American public.

    Trump also continues to be, as he was in his presidential campaign, an ardent proponent of the Koch network’s top education initiative: school choice.

    in David Koch’s losing run for political office in 1980, Mayer recounts, he campaigned on a platform that called for ending an array of federal programs that make up the social-economic safety net, including welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security; closing numerous federal agencies, including the EPA, SEC, and FBI; and getting rid of public schools.


    Mayer calls attention to other wealthy, influential right-wing donors who have targeted public education for transformation, including John M. Olin, Art Pope, Richard Mellon Scaife, Harry and Lynde Bradley, and Richard and Betsy DeVos (yes, that Betsy DeVos).

    Among the many campaigns waged by these wealthy individuals and their foundations, Mayer describes numerous examples of their support for “the early national ‘school choice’ movement” and their desires to dismantle teachers’ unions and traditional public schools.
    The effort aims to “‘wean’ Americans from government” by making it easier for parents to use public funds to send their children to private and parochial schools.

    Similarly, Nancy MacLean, in her book Democracy in Chains: The Deep History of the Radical Right’s Stealth Plan for America, details how the right’s vast network, including the Kochs and the academic institutions they’ve sponsored, erected a formidable campaign to dismantle government, with public education being among their chief targets. Their hatred for all collective endeavors – including schools, Social Security, voting rights, taxation, and government supported healthcare – drove them to propose the most radical ideas by using prosaic, positive language of “choice” and “reform.”

    MacLean sources much of her documentation of the radical right’s ascension to the “school crisis” in the South, principally Virginia, where court-ordered desegregation sent wealthy white Southerners into a panic over the prospect of seeing their children in the same classrooms with black students.

    With the Koch Network’s announcement remaking public education is now a chief cause of the right wing political machine, we are seeing the fruition of the decades-long campaign carefully planned and crafted by wealthy conservatives.

    Will Democrats Fight Back?

    How much money are wealthy Republicans in the Koch Network planning to spend on their education initiative?

    “The network declined to offer exact figures,” according to Hohmann, “but said it will double investment in K-12 this year, with much more planned down the road.”

    What is even less clear is how Democrats intend to respond.

    Democrats, over the years, have pulled away from their historical support for public schools and classroom teachers and have gradually embraced the language of “reform” and “choice” Republicans use. Many Democrats have turned against teachers union, joined the Republican chorus to “bust” the public school “monopoly,” and embraced numerous alternatives to traditional public schools that sap the system of its resources.

    “To begin to chronicle the origin of the Democrats’ war on their own—the public school teachers and their unions that provide the troops and the dough in each new campaign cycle to elect the Democrats—is to enter murky territory,” writes Jennifer Berkshire for The Baffler.

    Berkshire traces the Democrats’ turn against public schools back to the Clinton administration and up through Obama. But the course mainstream Democrats chose to follow when talking about public schools sounds not much different from what the Kochs and their kind have been selling, Berkshire argues. “Teachers unions, regulation, and government schools are the problem, Democrats continue insisting into the void; deregulation, market competition and school choice are the fix.”

    With the deeply unpopular duo of Trump and DeVos leading the Republicans’ campaign to dismantle public schools, Democrats have an an opportunity this November to offer a very different message and policy choice for education that turns it into an effective wedge issue for the vast audience of voters who genuinely want support for education to be on the ballot.

    As Republicans are poised to go after public schools as “the lowest hanging fruit,” it would be a shame, and ultimately a tragedy, if Democrats let them pick it.
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    Trump campaigned on “more jobs and better wages.” But at every turn, he’s making life harder for working people.

    Now Trump wants to make workers hand their tips over to their boss.

    Yup, you read that right. Trump’s Secretary of Labor, Alex Acosta, has been working with the National Restaurant Association (the other NRA) to introduce a new rule that would make tips the property of employers rather than workers.

    Two out of three tipped workers are women. They already earn a sub-minimum wage of just $2.13 an hour. And they are more vulnerable to wage theft -- and more likely to endure poverty, discrimination and sexual harassment.

    For Donald Trump and Alex Acosta, that’s apparently not enough. In fact, Bloomberg just reported today that the Department of Labor’s own internal study showed that tipped workers could lose billions of dollars in income because of the rule.

    Tipped workers have been organizing for years to demand better wages and working conditions. Whether you’re a tipped worker or not, it’s vital that we stand together to oppose this assault on working people.

    We’re partnering with Daily Kos, Jobs with Justice, and other allies to tell President Trump and Labor Secretary Acosta that we won’t let workers get robbed by their employers. We’re on our way to a victory—over 300,000 people have already expressed their outrage through public comments.

    The Department of Labor will be deciding TOMORROW. Join us in protecting workers across the nation. Make your voice heard loud and clear by leaving a public comment:
    https://actionnetwork.org/letters/ad...es-trumps-plan

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    You're looking to a politician for answers. Please, give me a break. The answer?

    There is no answer. Period! Not where politicians are concerned.

    Look elsewhere............
    Question Everything, twice or maybe trice..........

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    Quote Protecting Food. Empowering Whistleblowers.Winter 2018: "Planning"

    TRUMP PROPOSES "MODERN" PORK SLAUGHTER RULE

    We need your help to win this food fight. Whistleblowing meat inspectors have been warning us this day would come for years, but Trump recently made it a reality. Much to our dismay, but not surprise, Trump’s USDA proposed the New Swine Slaughter Inspection System (NSIS) rule.

    The USDA says this rule will modernize pork inspection, but there is nothing modern about toenails and feces in food. This new rule will allow pork manufacturers to “determine their own evisceration line speeds”—in other words, speed them up past the point of safety for anyone involved.

    A federal meat inspector told us,"It seems like the USDA is doing all it can to make sure the program succeeds...even if it means betraying consumers by hiding the truth about their food." That truth includes contaminated meat, dangerous conditions for workers, and inhumane treatment of animals. Speeding up the lines really only helps companies profit—we’re not having it!

    In the coming weeks, FIC will be sending more information about ways to take action and spread the word about this unappetizing plan. We don't want to eat what this administration is serving, and we’re counting on you to help us put a stop to it.

    VICTORY OVER AG-GAG

    Good news for all those who care about animal welfare, worker safety, and the environment:

    A federal court struck down Idaho’s unconstitutional AgGag law!

    These appalling industry-backed laws stifle whistleblowers who expose animal abuse and other wrongdoing on factory farms. Producers wanted to keep their practices a secret, even if they had to trample on the First Amendment to do it, but the courts said NO.

    Thanks to your support, we contributed vital research and documentation to this legal case—and we’re pushing forward as plaintiffs in a case to take down an AgGag law in North Carolina. This month, FIC sat in the courtroom to hear oral arguments from our lawyers in the North Carolina case—check out our blog for more details.

    » Read more on our blog https://www.foodwhistleblower.org/no...ght-continues/

    We won’t stop fighting for the brave whistleblowers we rely on to report abuse in a secretive industry and make our food system more transparent. It should never be a crime to report a crime—you have a right to know what’s in your food.

    KEEPING AN EYE ON THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION

    Trump’s ridiculous antics are undermining our democracy and are too numerous to count, but here’s a short list of what our whistleblowers are concerned about in 2018:

    Unsafe Chemicals in Packing Plants: Several FIC whistleblowers reported terrible health problems from exposure to a chemical sprayed on raw meat and poultry in packing plants. Companies routinely use antimicrobial sprays to prevent the spread of foodborne pathogens. While government agencies have ruled the sprays safe for consumers, no agency has evaluated the safety of these chemicals for workers exposed to them every day.

    Unsafe Poultry Speeds: This fall, the National Chicken Council (NCC) petitioned Trump's USDA to let plants speed up their lines. Whistleblowing inspectors in trial plants told FIC that meat from these plants is not “wholesome or safe to consume.” Faster line speeds also put workers at higher risk of injuries, and FIC joined a national coalition to protect workers from such injustices.

    While these issues top our list, we also see weakened regulations for pesticide use, key posts at USDA left unfilled, and communication suppressed about climate change. We know there must be stories yet untold, and we’re ready to protect the brave people willing to tell those stories and protect the food system for all of us.

    WHISTLEBLOWER SPOTLIGHT: PHYLLIS MCKELVEY

    In 2012, FIC fought to stop poultry line speed increases. One of the fight’s biggest champions was Phyllis McKelvey. Recently, Phyllis stepped back into the ring when the USDA was poised to increase speeds from 140 birds per minute to 175.

    Phyllis McKelvey is a retired USDA Food Safety Inspection Service inspector with 44 years of experience working for the government and private industry in the poultry sector. Before leaving the USDA in 2010, Phyllis witnessed firsthand the damage that the agency’s pilot high-speed poultry inspection program (HIMP) created. She brought food and worker safety concerns to the Government Accountability Project after the USDA’s 2012 announcement of its plan to expand the HIMP program. To hear more about Phyllis’s story and the danger of line speed, watch this video and others like it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUKZxGJY7qM.


    RURAL OUTREACH IN AGRICULTURAL NORTH CAROLINA

    One of FIC’s big New Year’s plans is to increase its outreach to rural communities. Specifically, we are cooperating with our friends at the Rachel Carson Council and RAFI to build relationships in North Carolina. Together, with our peer organizations, FIC will tell the stories of the farmers who have fallen victim to corporate influence and the people in the communities who are impacted by agricultural waste.

    Most people don’t realize it, but the same flimsy loans that gave rise to the 2008 housing crises are the same loans being used to prop up modern industrial farming. This is a veritable house of cards wherein farmers can barely eke out a living. Pitted against each other, retaliated against for speaking out, and kept in a perpetual debt cycle, America’s farmers are being reduced to nothing more than serfs with mortgages.

    But the damage doesn’t end there. It sounds unbelievable, but FIC has met with neighboring community members who have been assaulted by industrial agriculture’s waste. Animal feces are literally being sprayed on their homes, cars, and clotheslines. Just imagine the smell.

    We have a few events planned this year in North Carolina. It is our hope that we can build partnerships, encourage action, and most importantly, listen and learn. We will keep you informed of where we will be and what we are doing. Stay tuned!
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    Tips??? What are they?

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    It's time for a serious reformer at the CDC
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    Now that his appointee to head the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has resigned under a cloud, it is well past time for the President to appoint a serious reformer to run the embattled agency. Yesterday Brenda Fitzgerald, MD, resigned after Politico revealed she was trading Merck and other drug company stocks, which are regulated by CDC, and Japanese tobacco company stock, after she was appointed to head the agency. Fitzgerald was a political and public health insider not likely to rock any boats.

    Please send an email to the White House http://autismactionnetwork.org and please call the White House, and let the staffer know that you want the President to appoint a serious reformer who will begin to drain the swamp at the CDC.

    White House: (202) 456-1111

    The CDC is a mess of conflicts of interest, scandal, and ineptitude that seriously undermines confidence in the agency and achieving vitally important public health goals. Among the many issues the new head of the CDC needs to tackle:

    Why does an agency that generates screaming headlines nationally over a handful of mumps or measles cases offer complete silence on the skyrocketing numbers of children with autism?
    Why are eight-year old data used in the CDC's main autism epidemiology project, the Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network?
    The CDC sells billions of dollars worth of vaccines every year through the Vaccines for Children program. An agency can't regulate a product they sell.
    The CDC owns dozens of vaccine patents. An agency can't regulate a product they own. The federal government needs to divest these patents.
    The CDC is an old-fashioned federal agency that has the mutually contradictory tasks of both regulating vaccine safety and maximizing consumption of these highly profitable products. One agency can't do both. That's why the old Atomic Energy Commission was split into the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the National Transportation Safety Board was split away from the Federal Aviation Administration. Obviously, an agency can't investigate it's own failures. Vaccine safety evaluation must be split away to a new agency like the NRC or NTSB outside the control of the existing vaccine industry apparatus.
    Why after 8 years is indicted embezzler and CDC autism researcher Poul Thorsen still living openly in Denmark? And why are the obviously fabricated studies conducted under his direction still used as a basis for US autism policy?
    We need a serious public investigation of the allegations made by CDC scientist William Thompson of an internal cover-up of findings of significantly higher autism among different groups of children, including African-American boys, who got the MMR.
    The CDC Foundation solicits "donations" to subsidize CDC operations from the very corporations the CDC is supposed to regulate. Imagine if the Securities and Exchange Commission took private "donations" from Wall Street banks via a "foundation." Institutional bribery and the CDC foundation must go.
    The deficits at the CDC go on and on. We don’t have space to list them all here.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Using those labels and assuming that you know what is motivating another is buying into all the divisive tactics that the elite have used all along to create the kind of chaos that they savor.
    I appreciate the good things that Trump is doing, but like any politician, he is not blameless nor is he immune to corruption.
    I will be as happy as anyone if the Clinton/Obama crime ring is busted for good.

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    I have no interest whatever in debating with Trump fans.
    ...And I have EXACTLY the same sentiments towards Trump haters & snowflakes #MAGA
    I don't "assume" to know anything. "Knowing" is relative. I could say EXACTLY the same thing from the other side of the fence... BOTH POV are "true" to the individual - not necessarily correct in the bigger picture ... Hegelian dialectic, cognitive dissonance, programming, psychological projection & selective perception.

    It works both ways. That's the "trick"... Yin & Yang.
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