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    I just wanted to create this thread for those who are completely opposed to the status quo but who DON'T think that Trump is the answer.

    The swamp has been restocked, not drained and the real 'winner' of the election was Goldman Sachs.

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    Until we mature enough to see the problem was always the virus of corruption inside us,
    will always either blame or finding hope in the outside world.
    So few ready to admit there's dirt in us, the darkness within. We usually blame others for the woes of the world.
    And so it's sort of "natural" to try to find hope whenever you can, even in Trump, until we eventually get a nice disillusionment from this one also,
    and we go like "this one didn't work out either" and on to the next "outer" thing/opportunity/person/whatever.
    Until we exhaust all, everything, and all it remains is us ourselves bare, naked without skin in the wind
    and when nothing works we forced to look where we've been avoiding for so long, inside.

    Until then we must taste everything outside first, it's necessary. A required course.

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    William Engdahl | What is Trump’s True Agenda? | Nov. 30, 2016
    (Borrowed from Helvitic's thread: )

    Source: jaytaylormedia.com, williamengdahl.com



    William Engdahl says he believes Trump’s true agenda is to destroy China, Iran and Russia as America’s ruling elite move a one world government, just another actor for the elite, and Jesuit trained at that... -jaytaylormedia.com
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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    I just wanted to create this thread for those who are completely opposed to the status quo but who DON'T think that Trump is the answer.

    The swamp has been restocked, not drained and the real 'winner' of the election was Goldman Sachs.
    Thanks for this thread Autumn.
    What you said is correct. It's surprising to me to hear normally intelligent alt radio hosts taking him so seriously. At least wait and see before you start with the compliments!

    I got a bad vibe when I saw the new Time magazine cover. Trump's back is to us. I think the ruling class is into symbols and I don't believe that pose was an accident. I wonder if the message is - he's turned his back on us?

    And the word 'Divided' in their 'Divided States of America'... Many of us have been voicing that sentiment or reading it for awhile now but this is like the ruling class is responding to our thoughts and fears with their byline by saying to us - "You better bloody believe we mean to divide you, we're succeeding and we're not finished". They are mocking us.
    It remains to be seen how the anti-establishment candidate reverses everything he said to his constituency. It remains to be seen what kind of painful awakening that will be. People will be screaming "Suckers" from out their windows...
    This could get scary besides disheartening. Glad I found some good company to ride things out with this forum...

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    Dim, you make a good point. Trump may turn out to be shadow work, for some. But for many others, a vote for Trump represented redeeming features of their personalities. This btw, is the defining feature of an interpersonal relationship with a psychopath. They take advantage of their target's best qualities, manipulate them, betray them and then discard them.

    He and his minions manipulated their way in. After inauguration, it will be gloves off.

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    Hi Onawah,

    Will listen later but just want to comment on what you wrote with regards the broadcast you posted. Trump (Goldman Sachs) clearly wants to go after Iran, reimpose sanctions etc... This makes ZERO sense, if they want to normalize relations with Russia -- his other stated goal. Iran and Russia are strong allies.

    However, if they want to f*** China up badly, they will go after China's current source of petroleum, which happens to be Iran. And note that Bob Dole encouraged Trump, post election, to call Taiwan first, before mainland China. Hmmm...more than a breach of etiquette.

    China is a MUCH bigger threat to the U.S, in terms of primacy of power, than Russia. However, what China and Russia have together, if the U.S. is unsuccessful in driving a wedge between them, is tremendous geopolitical synergy.

    So I can see Trump and his war machinery turning on Russia too, if they feel that is necessary.

    I don't think anybody can even imagine what this band of banksters and mobsters are capable of and how willing they will be to throw anybody under a bus who gets in their way.

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    Actually, I was just quoting what was on the site I linked to.
    I have no idea what is going on on those international levels, but I have little doubt that Trump is a psychopath and also a tool of the controllers though they seem to be playing their hand more craftily than usual...
    I can't imagine they would ever have permitted him to run if that weren't the case.
    To think that he could escape their control just because he has money doesn't seem sensible to me.
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    Hi Onawah,

    Will listen later but just want to comment on what you wrote with regards the broadcast you posted. Trump (Goldman Sachs) clearly wants to go after Iran, reimpose sanctions etc... This makes ZERO sense, if they want to normalize relations with Russia -- his other stated goal. Iran and Russia are strong allies.
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    Then, who or what IS the answer?

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    Hi Helene,

    I totally agree-- with one small difference. I think the media is primarily CIA and was backing Hillary.(I think??) Their portrayal of Trump on the cover, wasn't mocking but expressing disgust with Trump and that part of the deep state that supported him.

    Note too, the placement of the M, in TIME, just over his head, like horns!

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    CEO of Exxon as Secretary of State?

    Well at least it won't be a secret any more that all of our wars are over oil, and Opium

    Oil exec head of Energy Department...

    Looks like Clean Energy is back to Science fiction

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    Then, who or what IS the answer?
    Most of us haven't even formulated the right questions yet. The answers, might not make apparent sense, even if we are lucky enough to stumble on them.

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    then, who or what is the answer?
    love, love, love.

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    Hi Helene,

    I totally agree-- with one small difference. I think the media is primarily CIA and was backing Hillary.(I think??) Their portrayal of Trump on the cover, wasn't mocking but expressing disgust with Trump and that part of the deep state that supported him.

    Note too, the placement of the M, in TIME, just over his head, like horns!
    Hi Autumn
    I feel there was a message to us. They didn't pose him with the chair's back to us and him turning around to look at us with a slight smirk on his face to make fun of him, that wouldn't make sense. The message is to us and his constituents are being told - 'I'm turning my back on you'.

    As far as the CIA, they are the private police force of the ruling class who either changed their minds on installing Clinton when she showed she was more sick than was previously thought or they always intended to pull a bait and switch. Whichever, the CIA will also do what it is told.
    The horns thing is apparently what they want most to concentrate on as many in media have taken that ball and are running with it. This reinforces the emphasis on a personality which is what they want most to concentrate on. Those who research the elites seem to have this consensus that those in power are into the occult and in the pseudo-morality of the occult they give warnings about their intentions for those who are aware. If we continue to stay in Rush Limbaugh or Chris Matthews mentality and concentrate on the demon trump, we won't see the real message.

    I think we (the citizenry) were given 2 messages with that cover - that the ruling class is not finished dividing the citizenry and that trump will turn his back on most of what he said (not all of what he said because the chair was 3/4 turned around, it could have been facing against us completely but was not.)

    It's almost all irrelevant anyhow since most brains have been so successfully deleted of class consciousness that we will never successfully go against those who rule. In 4 years it will be about ousting the demon trump, the Dems will probably get control again and everything will be about fighting racism, racism, sexism, etc that the ruling class will be even more protected with them...
    And best of all, many in the Alt media are saying things like The Elites days are numbered, the oligarchy is losing control, etc. Hah, lol, 'silly rabbits, trix (tricks) are for kids'....

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    Then, who or what IS the answer?
    It's right here, in post No. 2 of this thread.

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    Quote Posted by dim (here)
    Until we exhaust all, everything, and all it remains is us ourselves bare, naked without skin in the wind
    and when nothing works we forced to look where we've been avoiding for so long, inside.

    Until then we must taste everything outside first, it's necessary. A required course.
    This reminds me of something the High Sparrow in Game of Thrones would say...

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    Thanks for the Tthead. I will leave you with the thought that perhaps Trump is the answer to people who have a problem twith the socialistic principles of the Obama presidency.

    It seems to be a global euphonium.
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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Then, who or what IS the answer?
    It's right here, in post No. 2 of this thread.
    It is AN answer (a very good one!) - and how do you suggest that be implemented? What's the goal (s) (or outcome), the "plan" and the action to follow?
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    Hi Helene,

    I totally agree-- with one small difference. I think the media is primarily CIA and was backing Hillary.(I think??) Their portrayal of Trump on the cover, wasn't mocking but expressing disgust with Trump and that part of the deep state that supported him.

    Note too, the placement of the M, in TIME, just over his head, like horns!
    Yes you are right!


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    I agree with you Dim, as the french diplomat and philosopher Joseph de Maistre said "Every country gets the government it deserves"

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    Quote Posted by dim (here)
    Until we mature enough to see the problem was always the virus of corruption inside us,
    will always either blame or finding hope in the outside world.
    So few ready to admit there's dirt in us, the darkness within. We usually blame others for the woes of the world.
    And so it's sort of "natural" to try to find hope whenever you can, even in Trump, until we eventually get a nice disillusionment from this one also,
    and we go like "this one didn't work out either" and on to the next "outer" thing/opportunity/person/whatever.
    Until we exhaust all, everything, and all it remains is us ourselves bare, naked without skin in the wind
    and when nothing works we forced to look where we've been avoiding for so long, inside.

    Until then we must taste everything outside first, it's necessary. A required course.
    I think we must hold two concepts in our mind at the same time. As I agree with yours dim - IMO- we must also call a lie a lie and evil evil, otherwise we will risk ending up in some wishy washy flower power passive state of mind
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