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    Quote Posted by Lifebringer (here)
    Two stale boxes of cookies, coming thru elections. We shoulda voted Bernie.
    Bernie was probably the most hurtful of all. I believe he was part of the scam. His function was to corral the millenniums, manage & funnel their organized energy and ultimately say to them - hey, we fought a good fight but it's now time to come into the system - vote Hillary.

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    Bernie was probably the most hurtful of all. I believe he was part of the scam. His function was to corral the millenniums, manage & funnel their organized energy and ultimately say to them - hey, we fought a good fight but it's now time to come into the system - vote Hillary.
    That's just ridiculous. The contrary evidence is overwhelming. No, I'm not going to spell it out for you. You can take the time to think it through yourself.

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    I'm very willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but what will happen is obviously going to depend a lot on who he chooses to surround himself with, and so far, I'm not very encouraged.
    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Those who are criticizing Trump even before he is in the White House should do some homework as to what we have narrowly missed. Whew, this may be due to a shift to
    a positive time line or enough people who have woken up to the reality of our situation in the universe.

    No one knows what Trump will or will not do, but we do know what the criminals of the past have done, so we can make sure that we never let 'them' try it again.
    They are out, period.

    Welcome to the new world....at long last.
    Now we know and will be watching.
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    Bernie was probably the most hurtful of all. I believe he was part of the scam. His function was to corral the millenniums, manage & funnel their organized energy and ultimately say to them - hey, we fought a good fight but it's now time to come into the system - vote Hillary.
    That's just ridiculous. The contrary evidence is overwhelming. No, I'm not going to spell it out for you. You can take the time to think it through yourself.
    you're entitled to think what you want.
    You want to believe Sanders is some shining beacon above reproach, him and his 'socialist' wife with her capitalist six figure salary who ran a new england college into the ground through mismanagement, fine.
    He mysteriously didn't fight when he could have and should have and probably would have won if he had. But that was not going to happen because him winning was not part of the plan...
    you attack the 'true believers' of the trump constituency but every group has their true believers what else is new? Many voted for trump not liking him at all, holding their nose at the polls because they hated or feared clinton more. Sanders has his 'true believers' of which you are free to be a believer all you want...
    Our alphabet disinformation agencies do not exempt our favorite people or personal icons from their instructions or agendas. Our lives are way more scripted than we want to entertain.

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    Quote Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
    Notice again how fast a discussion of Trump is interjected with how terrible Obama or Hillary is. .
    yeah, we should compare him to.. aliens?

    humans are pattern comparison machines... how is this not an obvious comparison?


    I agree there is a lot of delusion going on, all around; and your post is begging for a mirror.


    Funny how these old hang ups... hang us up, even when we have, intellectually at least, disavowed the dual party system.
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    Well and I thought Sauron was Person of the Year.

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    AND HILLARY SURE WASN'T THE ANSWER!! What's with these threads titles continuing to complain and whine about Trump as if implying the wrong person got elected....yet completely in denial about the mountains of evidence that Hillary was the most evil, criminal, lying, sold out, paedophilic psychopath to ever run for president.

    The 'other answer' was a SURE bet of continuing down this same failed, corrupt path of descent into an orwellian society, the further destruction of the constitution, the rich getting richer, the support of big pharma, GMOs, big corps, big banks, globalism, wars, deteriorating infrastructure etc.. What are you saying with this title? Sounds like more fishing for sour grapes to justify your disdain for Trump supporters - with the same smug tone I still see 100x a day. Trump supporters are NOT saying he's got 'all the answers'. We're saying he's saying the right things... none of which Hillary said... and we are relieved out of our minds that a big wrench has been thrown into the downward spiral that would have continued with Hillary.

    I love that the msm who hates him doesn't realize how much they're going to help him by scrutinizing his every move and holding him to his word like they never did for any other president. I predict Trump's ego won't be able to stand not 'winning' and he will love dissolving all their attempts to say he didn't deliver what he promised.

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    [QUOTE=AutumnW;1119511][QUOTE=Helene West;1119418]
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    Hi Helene,

    The CIA, take orders from nobody. '
    I guess we'll agree to disagree on a few points. To say CIA take orders from nobody would make them rulers. Those who own the gold and own the ability to print money, that's who rules.
    I doubt those who rule give any more consideration to the average CIA agent than a town mayor gives to the average uniformed police officer no matter what side action they are involved with. I believe the job of the CIA is to protect the interests of the ruling class, the international corporate oligarchy.
    But your main point - that trump is not the answer, most of us I think will agree with.

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    you're entitled to think what you want.
    You want to believe Sanders is some shining beacon above reproach, him and his 'socialist' wife with her capitalist six figure salary who ran a new england college into the ground through mismanagement, fine.
    Please do not put words in my mouth or state what my position is on any subject. You clearly do not know me well enough to be qualified to do so.

    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    He mysteriously didn't fight when he could have and should have and probably would have won if he had. But that was not going to happen because him winning was not part of the plan...
    And there's clearly no possible other explanation for that.

    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    you attack the 'true believers' of the trump constituency
    I try to attack ideas, not people.

    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    Sanders has his 'true believers' of which you are free to be a believer all you want...
    Please do not put words in my mouth or state what my position is on any subject. You clearly do not know me well enough to be qualified to do so.

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    the answer to what?.... remember Obama's change.....what change? I wanted to ask? yes we can....What? Did anyone ask? Do people think beyond a politician's stupid manipulation of the gullible.
    I hope people learned from that.

    were the journalists not allowed to be heard or did they not ask? what change. Obama? yes we can WHAT, Obama?

    Trump is not the answer to what?
    Time will tell if he is the answer anything. Maybe yes, maybe no.

    But he is Better by far than anything else....
    Question Everything, twice or maybe trice..........

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    Dear Autumn: I am proud of you. Your Genes are showing.

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    Yes, Trump is the answer... How quickly one forgets... Trump answers to the Russians...

    I know because the MSM said its so...


    Washington Post:
    ...the American presidential candidate routinely comes to the defense of his Russian soul mate. In the face of a high-confidence judgment of the U.S. intelligence community that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee and then weaponized embarrassing emails to sow confusion here, the man who would be president has declared: “Our country has no idea,” “I don’t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC. . . . It could also be lots of other people” and “They always blame Russia.” -- SOURCE
    Trump, Clinton spar over DNC hacks
    (Published on Oct 19, 2016)


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    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Helene West (here)
    Quote Posted by dim (here)
    Until we exhaust all, everything, and all it remains is us ourselves bare, naked without skin in the wind
    and when nothing works we forced to look where we've been avoiding for so long, inside.

    Until then we must taste everything outside first, it's necessary. A required course.
    This reminds me of something the High Sparrow in Game of Thrones would say...
    Are you saying you judge the appropriateness or accuracy of words, based on judgments of a speaker? Any person with any intentions can say anything; words and concepts are not owned by the people who speak them, nor can their value or quality be determined by the speaker who speaks them. If a Satanist reads the Bible out loud, is now the Bible a work of Satan? Artificially joining the words to a speaker for judgement is like judging a person by their dress size. Inappropriate.
    It was a casual, humorous reaction to Dim's post. Sorry you got so deep and heavy about it.
    lol, I debated whether I should have added a small disclaimer at the end -- indicating that it does indeed sound something like the high sparrow would say ... I guess had I done so you would've also seen my true intention ... perhaps equally not obvious in both.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Yes, Trump is the answer... How quickly one forgets... Trump answers to the Russians...

    I know because the MSM said its so...


    Washington Post:
    ...the American presidential candidate routinely comes to the defense of his Russian soul mate. In the face of a high-confidence judgment of the U.S. intelligence community that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee and then weaponized embarrassing emails to sow confusion here, the man who would be president has declared: “Our country has no idea,” “I don’t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC. . . . It could also be lots of other people” and “They always blame Russia.” -- SOURCE
    Trump, Clinton spar over DNC hacks
    (Published on Oct 19, 2016)


    And, This is WHY Putin Envies Trump...


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    [QUOTE=Helene West;1119594][QUOTE=AutumnW;1119511]
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    Hi Helene,

    The CIA, take orders from nobody. '
    I guess we'll agree to disagree on a few points. To say CIA take orders from nobody would make them rulers. Those who own the gold and own the ability to print money, that's who rules.
    I doubt those who rule give any more consideration to the average CIA agent than a town mayor gives to the average uniformed police officer no matter what side action they are involved with. I believe the job of the CIA is to protect the interests of the ruling class, the international corporate oligarchy.
    But your main point - that trump is not the answer, most of us I think will agree with.
    Any powerful group, acting without congressional oversight, has tremendous power. They also provide the briefings to the executive branch about what is going on in the world, through their clandestine networks. This is how they control foreign policy. During the Sputnik era, they scared the U.S to death by exaggerating or outright lying about the 'superior' achievements of the Russians. They created the Cold War and then, after several decades, helped the KGB collapse Russia.

    They rule through control of information and through a lack of accountability to any other group.

    What might be happening currently, is factions within the FBI, using Trump as their frontman, are involved in a pitched battle with the CIA for more power of their own. I am not sure where the different military intelligence agencies fit in to the picture.

    Certainly up until recently, the CIA, like the KGB had more influence and control over the U.S than any branch of government.

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    Turiya, just one small request. I don't know if others have this problem but when I try to open a thread with a number of large photos, my computer goes down! So please stick around but refrain from posting too many pics.

    And I don't know who posted about people 'whining and complaining' on this thread-- but to that individual, I would simply request that you refrain from insulting people. I also want to point out that nobody on these threads, so far as I can see, support or approve of Hillary, in any way. So I am requesting that whoever you are, you quit beating that dead horse.

    Thank you

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    Quote Posted by amor (here)
    Dear Autumn: I am proud of you. Your Genes are showing.
    I think the proper word here would be 'admire,' not "am proud of." Being proud of someone suggests a familial or close friends type relationship. That being said, I understand that this was meant sarcastically.

    Now the reference to my genes, could also use improvement. My genetic heritage is Northern European. I think what you are referencing though, is my citizenship, which is quite different. Let me know if I'm mistaken. You might be a long lost cousin or a hidden half brother. And you might have been referring to Sweden rather than Canada. Just don't know.

    But let's get back to Trump now, shall we?

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    Then, who or what IS the answer?
    In a country that wants to do more than pretend to be "of the people, by the people, and for the people", the answer is "the people."

    (I don't know the NZ election system, but I'll bet it is actually controlled by the status quo Elite, not by the people.) In the US, the Elite have complete control of elections, and the elections are completely rigged at least a year in advance - by the Elites pre-selecting EVERY viable candidate. US elections are very much a pseudo-reality TV show. As long as the Elite are allowed to pre-select the entire pool of candidates that they then filter, making some of the candidates viable through the mass media the same Elite own, and using the media to smother all candidates not chosen by the Elite, the Elite win every election.

    The answer is citizens taking over the election system, transforming the system - especially to reject any candidate tied to the corporate Elite.

    In a citizen-controlled, strictly publicly-funded, strictly non-partisan, candidates-vetted-to-have-no-corporate-ties election system, the seats of government would be filled with ordinary citizens, people we've never heard of, people who can actually relate to the vast majority of people in the nation, actual representatives of the people.

    Well, that's my answer anyway.
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    Default Re: Trump is NOT the answer

    Great answer Dennis (and that would have been similar to mine too - gotta start somewhere and I believe the global movement to do just that has started, not just in the USA!)

    Pointless exercise being in denial about it, trying to rewind time or worrying about things that haven't yet occurred (and may never)... IMO.

    Our system is (was?) very much in the pocket of the "Elites" Dennis, but hey, ours has just made a sudden change too; at least you guys voted - our "leader" has just unexpectedly quit, (other threads talk about the possible reasons for that), so we don't really have a choice until the general election in a year.

    Cheers - KE


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Then, who or what IS the answer?
    In a country that wants to do more than pretend to be "of the people, by the people, and for the people", the answer is "the people."

    (I don't know the NZ election system, but I'll bet it is actually controlled by the status quo Elite, not by the people.) In the US, the Elite have complete control of elections, and the elections are completely rigged at least a year in advance - by the Elites pre-selecting EVERY viable candidate. US elections are very much a pseudo-reality TV show. As long as the Elite are allowed to pre-select the entire pool of candidates that they then filter, making some of the candidates viable through the mass media the same Elite own, and using the media to smother all candidates not chosen by the Elite, the Elite win every election.

    The answer is citizens taking over the election system, transforming the system - especially to reject any candidate tied to the corporate Elite.

    In a citizen-controlled, strictly publicly-funded, strictly non-partisan, candidates-vetted-to-have-no-corporate-ties election system, the seats of government would be filled with ordinary citizens, people we've never heard of, people who can actually relate to the vast majority of people in the nation, actual representatives of the people.

    Well, that's my answer anyway.
    I agree but with the caveat that the citizens can't control much if they don't control the $$$. We have been serfs since 1913.
    And we've been dancing around that fact ever since....

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