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    I agree but with the caveat that the citizens can't control much if they don't control the $$$. We have been serfs since 1913.
    And we've been dancing around that fact ever since....
    Only since 1913?

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    I agree but with the caveat that the citizens can't control much if they don't control the $$$. We have been serfs since 1913.
    And we've been dancing around that fact ever since....
    Only since 1913?
    From what I"ve read, all of recorded history... the only difference is the context of the control structure... the patterns are all the same.
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    Bernie was probably the most hurtful of all. I believe he was part of the scam. His function was to corral the millenniums, manage & funnel their organized energy and ultimately say to them - hey, we fought a good fight but it's now time to come into the system - vote Hillary.
    That's just ridiculous. The contrary evidence is overwhelming. No, I'm not going to spell it out for you. You can take the time to think it through yourself.
    I couldn't have said it better myself, Bill - I mean, Whisky. Such a wrongheaded and ignorant misreading of Bernie cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged. It's pure bladderdash. Oops, I mean, balderdash.

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    Bernie was probably the most hurtful of all. I believe he was part of the scam. His function was to corral the millenniums, manage & funnel their organized energy and ultimately say to them - hey, we fought a good fight but it's now time to come into the system - vote Hillary.
    That's just ridiculous. The contrary evidence is overwhelming. No, I'm not going to spell it out for you. You can take the time to think it through yourself.
    you're entitled to think what you want.
    You want to believe Sanders is some shining beacon above reproach, him and his 'socialist' wife with her capitalist six figure salary who ran a new england college into the ground through mismanagement, fine.
    He mysteriously didn't fight when he could have and should have and probably would have won if he had. But that was not going to happen because him winning was not part of the plan...
    you attack the 'true believers' of the trump constituency but every group has their true believers what else is new? Many voted for trump not liking him at all, holding their nose at the polls because they hated or feared clinton more. Sanders has his 'true believers' of which you are free to be a believer all you want...
    Our alphabet disinformation agencies do not exempt our favorite people or personal icons from their instructions or agendas. Our lives are way more scripted than we want to entertain.
    I believe Sanders is a good man with a conscience who fights against corporate greed and government misuse of power. I believe this because I have listened to him and read his words. It's really that simple: I take him at his word and I have no difficulty understanding his meaning.

    Trump supporters are famous for lauding him for "telling it like it is" which is completely without merit. If you want to listen to a guy who REALLY "tells it like it is", watch THIS ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVS-itGeeEA


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    At the end of the day, there were only two choices: Trump or Clinton. NONE of the others were even remotely close so arguing the virtues of the others is pointless - they didn't win.

    America made it's choice: TRUMP IS IT for the time being, whether you like it or not, and that has happened for a reason. With respect, DEAL WITH IT and move forward. No amount of chatter on this thread is going to change it.
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    Kiwi elf,

    If you find people analyzing current affairs annoying, you are free to deal with it by attending other threads.

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    Analysing or in denial? (...going on the title of your thread). And please don't make inaccurate assumptions about me Autumn - you don't know me from a bar of soap.

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    Anyone on this thread telling others what they can and can't talk about is also ridiculous and I'm just ignoring them.

    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

    I believe Sanders is a good man with a conscience who fights against corporate greed and government misuse of power. I believe this because I have listened to him and read his words. It's really that simple: I take him at his word and I have no difficulty understanding his meaning.
    The best politicians are charismatic and convincing. That's their job. Their words are much less important than their actions. When evaluating any person, look at where they invest their energy.

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    Kiwi elf--Well that was rather hasty. I created this thread with the express purpose of discussing Trump, (in the negative, obviously). It's fine if pro Trump people want to join in on the discussion, or argue, as long as they are not bossy rude.

    Because that would be a YUGE mistake. I want to make this thread GREAT again!
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    Bernie was probably the most hurtful of all. I believe he was part of the scam. His function was to corral the millenniums, manage & funnel their organized energy and ultimately say to them - hey, we fought a good fight but it's now time to come into the system - vote Hillary.
    That's just ridiculous. The contrary evidence is overwhelming. No, I'm not going to spell it out for you. You can take the time to think it through yourself.
    I couldn't have said it better myself, Bill - I mean, Whisky. Such a wrongheaded and ignorant misreading of Bernie cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged. It's pure bladderdash. Oops, I mean, balderdash.

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    his wife was on camera stating it was a "concern" that he might get the nomination...

    I dunno... seems at LEAST open to question, certainly not worthy of this reaction.

    Quote Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
    The best politicians are charismatic and convincing. That's their job. Their words are much less important than their actions. When evaluating any person, look at where they invest their energy.
    I'd caveat that with ***their public words***



    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Because that would be a YUGE mistake. I want to make this thread GREAT again!
    I'll say one thing about the next 4 years... haha, there's gonna be some great comedy!
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    Anyone on this thread telling others what they can and can't talk about is also ridiculous and I'm just ignoring them.

    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

    I believe Sanders is a good man with a conscience who fights against corporate greed and government misuse of power. I believe this because I have listened to him and read his words. It's really that simple: I take him at his word and I have no difficulty understanding his meaning.
    The best politicians are charismatic and convincing. That's their job. Their words are much less important than their actions. When evaluating any person, look at where they invest their energy.
    I disagree about the primacy of actions over words. I'd give them equal heft. Trump got to where he is by using words that appealed to emotions. Now that he is in charge and his actions are in contradiction with his expressed intentions, he is using words to lull his followers back to sleep. I'm referring to his promises to "drain the swamp" and call Wall Street to account. Now that he has begun appointing former Goldman Sachs executives to positions of power, he is claiming that these men are the ones best suited for their roles because they are connected and understand how the system works (a claim he made for himself, as you will recall), that the rich should be put in charge because they know how to wield power. And his sheep are buying it - they listen to his words and they trust him. So, it doesn't seem to matter what a person does anymore, in this post-truth world, but what they say. If I didn't know better (maybe I don't!) I'd suspect Mr.Trump of using mass hypnosis, magik even, to "convince" his followers that he is working on their behalf. He distracts the audience (witness his profusion of tweets) with his words, and uses them to create illusions. Words are where he invests his energies. Ritual has always used the spoken word (and sound) as its core. Words define the meaning of our actions.

    Thus, words are able to shape our realities.

    And they're pretty useful in online forums.

    Cheers,

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    From what I"ve read, all of recorded history... the only difference is the context of the control structure... the patterns are all the same.
    Agreed.

    .... and back to my ancient alien theories!!

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    Very good points.
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    trump got to where he is by using words that appealed to emotions. Now that he is in charge and his actions are in contradiction with his expressed intentions, he is using words to lull his followers back to sleep. I'm referring to his promises to "drain the swamp" and call wall street to account. Now that he has begun appointing former goldman sachs executives to positions of power, he is claiming that these men are the ones best suited for their roles because they are connected and understand how the system works (a claim he made for himself, as you will recall), that the rich should be put in charge because they know how to wield power. And his sheep are buying it - they listen to his words and they trust him. So, it doesn't seem to matter what a person does anymore, in this post-truth world, but what they say. If i didn't know better (maybe i don't!) i'd suspect mr.trump of using mass hypnosis, magik even, to "convince" his followers that he is working on their behalf. He distracts the audience (witness his profusion of tweets) with his words, and uses them to creates illusions. Words are where he invests his energies. Ritual has always used the spoken word (and sound) as its core. Words define the meaning of our actions.

    Thus, words are able to shape our realities.

    And they're pretty useful in online forums.

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    ...Trump got to where he is by using words that appealed to emotions. Now that he is in charge and his actions are in contradiction with his expressed intentions, he is using words to lull his followers back to sleep. I'm referring to his promises to "drain the swamp" and call Wall Street to account. Now that he has begun appointing former Goldman Sachs executives to positions of power, he is claiming that these men are the ones best suited for their roles because they are connected and understand how the system works (a claim he made for himself, as you will recall), that the rich should be put in charge because they know how to wield power. And his sheep are buying it - they listen to his words and they trust him. So, it doesn't seem to matter what a person does anymore, in this post-truth world, but what they say. If I didn't know better (maybe I don't!)

    I'd suspect Mr.Trump of using mass hypnosis, magik even, to "convince" his followers that he is working on their behalf. He distracts the audience (witness his profusion of tweets) with his words, and uses them to creates illusions. Words are where he invests his energies. Ritual has always used the spoken word (and sound) as its core. Words define the meaning of our actions.

    Thus, words are able to shape our realities.

    And they're pretty useful in online forums.

    Cheers, Brian

    All words are lies...

    Hence, I understand your previously posted statement...
    Quote I believe Sanders is a good man with a conscience who fights against corporate greed and government misuse of power. I believe this because I have listened to him and read his words. It's really that simple: I take him at his word and I have no difficulty understanding his meaning.
    The interpretation of words is subjective. That 'subjective' interpretation of words can be individual, or it can be a shared phenomenon. Understanding the human mind is helpful... And the best way to understand the mind of a human being is to know one's own mind...

    The mind is a malleable tool. It is able to be hammered or pressed out of shape from the outside... by a constant stream information / misinformation coming from outside of oneself.

    The MSM understands this. That is why they have also used words to stoke human emotions. The MSM, DNC, GOP have attempted to show that the words Trump has used in order to paint a picture of him as a representation of hate.

    Misogynist, racist, bigot, Hitler, Islamophobic... pedofile... anti-semitic... tempermental... unfit, unstable, narcissistic. This tactic works because all human beings (whether they know it or not) have these characteristics embedded within themselves. Most people, in general, do not want to admit that these qualities are held within themselves, and would prefer to point their finger at somebody else. "Its not me, but the other... the neighbor down the street, the man / woman standing out there somewhere..." A certain degree of assoiation / disassociation transpires - depending how aware / unaware an individual is, or group of individuals.

    For example, you are also doing the same with your statement above:
    Quote "...he [Trump] is using words to lull his followers back to sleep... And his sheep are buying it - they listen to his words and they trust him."
    I would remind you that this is your interpretation... which is subjective. Hopefully, you can be honest and admit that you are still somewhat asleep yourself. Its a matter of degree. In a way, you are also using words to fan the flames of disinformation / misinformation.

    Certainly Bermie, being one who has claimed to fight against corporate greed and government misuse of power, had said this, but in the end had endorsed Hillary Clinton... the queen of corporate greed & governmental misuse of power.

    A proper position to take with Trump is to 'Wait & See'. As, Trump has noted in the 60 Minutes interview with Lesley Stahl:
    "The whole place (D.C.) is one big Lobbyist. I'm saying that they know the system right now. But we're going to phase that out. You have to phase it out." You got to start somewhere...
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    Then, who or what IS the answer?
    It's right here, in post No. 2 of this thread.
    This is ridiculous... this is worse than blaming the victim.
    This is the victim blaming the victim.... strewth!

    _we_ are not responsible for _THEIR_ corruption...
    _we_ are not responsible for their war crimes, their looting of public and corporate wealth,
    _we_ are not responsible for their paedophilia, or their satanic sacrifices of children and adults.

    Since when is that _our_ fault ?

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    Great answer Dennis (and that would have been similar to mine too - gotta start somewhere and I believe the global movement to do just that has started, not just in the USA!)

    Pointless exercise being in denial about it, trying to rewind time or worrying about things that haven't yet occurred (and may never)... IMO.

    Our system is (was?) very much in the pocket of the "Elites" Dennis, but hey, ours has just made a sudden change too; at least you guys voted - our "leader" has just unexpectedly quit, (other threads talk about the possible reasons for that), so we don't really have a choice until the general election in a year.

    Cheers - KE

    Again, I want to make something really really clear here and Kiwi Elf it would help if you read what I say VERY carefully.

    People, at least on this thread, who take great exception to Trump are NOT anti-demcratic, nor are they curled up in their safe spaces watching Winnie the Pooh videos.

    Allow me to explain my own history a bit here. I helped to research a book about govt and media interaction and propaganda. It wasn't a big seller, but was an award winning, critical success. I have a fairly good grounding in espionage, social engineering projects. I also left the U.S with my late husband shortly after Bush junior became president partly due to fears of overt fascism taking over that country. I believe that 911 was an inside job.

    I hope you don't think that those who are very worried about Trump do so from a naive perspective, or that a vote agains him, is somehow a vote FOR the elites.

    Do you remember the Arab Spring revolution? Mubarek, the prime minister of Egypt, was overthrown by an apparent anti-authoritarian group, with the strong backing of the populace. One of the first things they did when they gained power was to tear up the constitution and establish themselves as a dictatorship. They tortured and terrorized and it was much worse than anything anyone had seen under Mubarek. I think Trump is going to do the same.

    Think about what Trump brags about. He has all the police behind him -- total support, it would seem. He has the FBI, the national spook police network behind him. This isn't an innocent Andy of Mayberry, return to a bygone era of civil decency, kind of move.

    These guys, in my opinion, will be cracking skulls, in a police state. Trump has brought up torture several times, in a rather cavalier way, that reflects his sentiments on the matter. And oh, didn't he say he wouldn't mind torturing people on domestic soil, too?

    So many Trump supporters claim that anything is better than Hillary. Really? How about Idi Amin? Would he be better than Hillary? And bear in mind all of those on this thread expressing deep worry about Trump do NOT approve of the current administration or Hillary, either. If they do, they should speak up and prove me wrong.

    It remains to be seen whether or not Trump's foreign policy makes America safer. I rather doubt it. Safer from war with Russia maybe, but he is already rattling sabres at China and they are much more of a threat.

    People who voted for Trump, with the best of intentions, have just voted in an overt dictatorship, a police state that will ramp up like you can't imagine.
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    My thinking on the matter is that Trump's actions are going to bring things to the boil very quickly, because no matter how skillful a manipulator he may be, people are going to be much more alert now than they would have been if Hillary had been elected.
    The Clintons were good at keeping things hidden, but I think Trump is arrogant enough that he believes he doesn't have to bother much with that.
    But maybe the proverbial laboratory frog (having been alerted) in the beaker of water being heated will be quick enough to jump out before it comes to the boil this time.


    Quote Then, who or what IS the answer?
    It's right here, in post No. 2 of this thread.
    This is ridiculous... this is worse than blaming the victim.
    This is the victim blaming the victim.... strewth!

    _we_ are not responsible for _THEIR_ corruption...
    _we_ are not responsible for their war crimes, their looting of public and corporate wealth,
    _we_ are not responsible for their paedophilia, or their satanic sacrifices of children and adults.

    Since when is that _our_ fault ?
    It's not a question of blame, imho. It's a matter of not being evolved enough yet to deal with the sort of consciousness (if it can be called that) from which these kinds of acts originate.
    We should know enough on this forum by now to understand the nature of the Reptilian agenda and the archonic influence that helped to create it.
    Humanity has been affected and infected by this in many ways, but I think that, had we been left to our own devices and to the nurturing and positive influence of Gaia, this planet would be a peaceful place now.
    Our challenge is to unite and evolve in spite of the roadblocks thrown in our path.
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    People who voted for Trump, with the best of intentions, have just voted in an overt dictatorship, a police state that will ramp up like you can't imagine.
    I think this would be true if he were left to his own devices. But I still think it likely that the old guard GOP will rally and try to impeach him in order to procure more power and economic opportunity for themselves. They have the Senate and House- now is their chance to take it all. And some will oppose Trump on idealogical grounds, like McCain. Some will side with Trump as they see opportunity to gain power and influence. The GOP civil war is quiet right now, but I believe it is raging full tilt behind the scenes.

    Meanwhile, the DNC establishment has shown that it has not learned anything and it will also be at war with its now very large progressive wing for quite some time. One wonders if we might end up with four or five defacto parties, even if they continue to operate under the two existing brand names.

    The installment of King Joffrey on the Iron Throne is not the end of the game by any stretch. Many moves will continue to be made.

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    Whisky Mystic and Onawah,

    Thanks for your responses. You have both brought up very good points. Whiskey Mystic, I hope you are correct and maybe the less alarmist reaction is more sensible.

    I fear that the extreme fascist forces will quickly consolidate and entrench their power and anybody who gets in their way will be pressured or blackmailed into submission. Once they have managed this, they will, very quickly, alter the constitution to grant themselves authoritarian power. At that point all bets are off. All dissenters will be incarcerated in private prisons. You're aware that the day after he was elected private prison stocks rose tremendously.

    There will be such political turmoil, particularly if they do things like enforcing federal law into what has been the grey area of state's rights. I am thinking marijuana legalization in 26 states, here.

    Onawah, what will be interesting is whether or not people will actually revolt,,or boil over, or if there will be a deathly stillness, a real deep fear of consequences. It's going to be interesting to witness.

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    https://solari.com/audio/sr20161206F...nterviewHQ.mp3

    Words from Catherine Austin Fitts and Dr. JP Farrell on which way they see the wind blowing. Enjoy!
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