Trump is NOT the answer

[Kryztian]

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
Regarding those that are reporting that Trump snubbed Pelosi's handshake:

I went back and watched it several times. He was already turning away from her when she held out her hand. Did he see it? I'm not sure, but in my mind, there is a good chance he didn't. Decide for yourself. OTOH, Pelosi was mumbling to herself and to Pence (who ignored her) throughout the speech, as well as making faces that were inappropriate. Her tearing of the speech was quite dramatic. Some believe it was to shift the speaking points from: What a great speech" to upstaging him by her actions.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LPlvYeEfceU

Ba-ba-ra,

If you read through some of the posts on this thread and what kind of criticism has been leveled here against Donald Trump, it would be clear to most people (perhaps even some Q-anon followers) that the people who post on and read this thread regularly, give a cumulative total of zero flying f*cks about Donald Trump's alleged snubbing gesture to other political leaders. We also give zero flying f*cks about the innuendos in his tweets, about his romantic/sexual relationships, and all the other "drama" that makes the news coverage of Washington D.C. politics look like a remake of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" or some other reality show.

What we have been focusing here are issues like how Trumps assistance's to Israel is helping the genocide of the Palestinian people, his militarization of outer space, his destruction of environmental laws that keeps us from exposure to toxic chemicals, his policies that put more of the world's wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.

[onawah]

Exactly!! :bumping:
Not to mention advocating cutting Social Security and Medicare, food for the poor, school lunches,flu shots, doing nothing about vaccines dangers, supporting Big Pharma, Monsanto....etc. etc.

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
Regarding those that are reporting that Trump snubbed Pelosi's handshake:

I went back and watched it several times. He was already turning away from her when she held out her hand. Did he see it? I'm not sure, but in my mind, there is a good chance he didn't. Decide for yourself. OTOH, Pelosi was mumbling to herself and to Pence (who ignored her) throughout the speech, as well as making faces that were inappropriate. Her tearing of the speech was quite dramatic. Some believe it was to shift the speaking points from: What a great speech" to upstaging him by her actions.

Ba-ba-ra,

If you read through some of the posts on this thread and what kind of criticism has been leveled here against Donald Trump, it would be clear to most people (perhaps even some Q-anon followers) that the people who post on and read this thread regularly, give a cumulative total of zero flying f*cks about Donald Trump's alleged snubbing gesture to other political leaders. We also give zero flying f*cks about the innuendos in his tweets, about his romantic/sexual relationships, and all the other "drama" that makes the news coverage of Washington D.C. politics look like a remake of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" or some other reality show.

What we have been focusing here are issues like how Trumps assistance's to Israel is helping the genocide of the Palestinian people, his militarization of outer space, his destruction of environmental laws that keeps us from exposure to toxic chemicals, his policies that put more of the world's wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.

[Philippe]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
If you read through some of the posts on this thread and what kind of criticism has been leveled here against Donald Trump, it would be clear to most people (perhaps even some Q-anon followers) that the people who post on and read this thread regularly, give a cumulative total of zero flying f*cks about Donald Trump's alleged snubbing gesture to other political leaders. We also give zero flying f*cks about the innuendos in his tweets, about his romantic/sexual relationships, and all the other "drama" that makes the news coverage of Washington D.C. politics look like a remake of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" or some other reality show.

What we have been focusing here are issues like how Trumps assistance's to Israel is helping the genocide of the Palestinian people, his militarization of outer space, his destruction of environmental laws that keeps us from exposure to toxic chemicals, his policies that put more of the world's wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.

And his unrestricted support for the 5G, the biggest threat to the so called free world ! As much as we were relieved that Hillary was stopped from going to war with Russia, we see how big bad business is in full swing. Look at politics for what it is, a distasteful show of actors.

[onawah]

See Dennis Leahy's post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1334624

[onawah]

Surprise! Trump lied in the State of the Union
Social Security Works
2/6/20
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/tr...e-of-the-union

("But just two weeks ago, President Donald Trump went to Davos to hobnob with Wall Street billionaires. While there, Trump sat for an interview with CNBC’s Joe Kernen, who asked him if “entitlements” would “ever be on your plate.” “At some point they will be,” Trump replied." NO DOUBT THE "SOME POINT' HE INTENDS WOULD BE AFTER HE IS RE-ELECTED. WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE THAT CAMPAIGN PROMISES ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? )

"This week, in his State of the Union address, Donald Trump told a great number of lies.

I’m glad I don’t have to fact-check all of them, but there is one lie that we cannot let stand: In last night’s State of the Union, he falsely pledged that “we will always protect your Medicare and we will always protect your Social Security.”

But just two weeks ago, President Donald Trump went to Davos to hobnob with Wall Street billionaires. While there, Trump sat for an interview with CNBC’s Joe Kernen, who asked him if “entitlements” would “ever be on your plate.” “At some point they will be,” Trump replied.1

His comments rightfully created quite a stir, since “entitlements” is how elites like those gathered in Davos refer to Social Security and Medicare. Trump ran in 2016 on a promise not to cut Social Security and Medicare.2 Insider code is necessary because cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid is not only terrible policy but deeply unpopular even with voters who make up Trump’s base.3 He’s been breaking that promise ever since, but his Davos comments are the first time he’s overtly admitted that he lied to the American people.

Either Trump was lying to the Wall Street billionaires in Davos, or he was lying to the American people last night. Trump’s pre-2016 history on Social Security, his actions while in office, and the people he’s surrounded himself with reveal the truth.

Trump thinks he can win re-election by lying to seniors about his own record. Social Security Works is setting the record straight.

In 2000, before he ever had aspirations of running for President as a Republican, Trump released a book with a chapter on Social Security.4 In this chapter, he displayed utter contempt for Social Security and its beneficiaries.

Trump referred to Social Security as “a ponzi scheme.” He called for raising the retirement age to 70, because “How many times will you really want to take that trailer to the Grand Canyon?" He said that he “plans to work forever”, which is easy enough for someone born with a silver spoon in his mouth. But what about everyday people who work in careers such as nursing or construction that involve hard physical labor?

Trump added that destroying Social Security by privatizing it “would be good for all of us.”

What happened between 2000 and the 2016 election? Trump developed a keen understanding of the politics of Social Security. He realized that, once you leave the Mar-a-Lago crowd, voters of all political affiliations overwhelmingly oppose cutting benefits. Yet Republican politicians, at the behest of their billionaire donors, go against the will of their voters by supporting cuts.

Trump exploited these divisions ruthlessly in the Republican primary, tweeting that “I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid.”5

But just because Trump realized that publicly supporting benefit cuts is politically toxic doesn’t mean that his real views have changed. Trump’s selection of Mike Pence as a running mate foreshadowed how he would govern. Pence supports raising the retirement age 6 and led a group of House Republicans in criticizing George W. Bush’s Social Security privatization plan—for not going far enough!7 Someone genuinely committed to protecting Social Security would never select Pence as their top deputy.

Once elected President, Trump threw his commitments to protecting Social Security out the window. His most recent budget proposal would cut $25 billion from Social Security and $845 billion from Medicare. Fortunately, House Democrats have declined to pass that budget into law. But, since then, Trump has found sneakier ways to attack Social Security.

Trump’s administration is in the process of jamming through a rule change that’s designed to rip Social Security benefits away from Americans with disabilities. When Ronald Reagan made a similar rule change, hundreds of thousands wrongly lost their benefits and over 20,000 people died.8 The Reagan administration was forced to reverse the policy after massive public outcry. Now Trump wants to bring it back.

Social Security Works led an effort to deliver more than 150,000 public comments opposing this rule. But that’s not the only way we’re fighting back.

Trump’s administration is cutting Social Security right now. Trump, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, want to make more cuts in the future. But the plan was to keep that quiet until after the November election.

In Davos, surrounded by billionaires salivating over the prospect of gutting the American people’s earned benefits, Trump accidentally let the mask slip. At the State of the Union, he tried to put it back on.

It’s up to us to make sure that everyone in America sees what’s underneath before it’s too late.

Thanks,

Linda Benesch
Social Security Works"

References
1 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/davo...ent-trump.html
2 https://medium.com/senator-bernie-sa...d-99beefa9f584
3 https://www.people-press.org/2016/03...ed-in-the-u-s/
4 https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...onzi-scheme-we
5 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38364187602944
6 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boehn...t-age_n_674793
7 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boehn...t-age_n_674793
8 https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...162-story.html

[onawah]

Trump a Zionist puppet like all previous presidents (apart from JFK)
Truther News Wire
22 hrs
(I am not familiar with this source, but they've provided a good list of articles to research)

https://www.facebook.com/TrutherNews...ref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARDrOndJ5nmDMZ8U-6UhWvRcwKqMSzWDGZfXF7eyQa7zplcq2yL2zZlbx92_WnoBMy2IaRRwkrChSgxcrZfwPcXuVyOo3yZZQqxcbzaAKgoE9GsmDxcAl 6kk90ySrshuOruNle5U1SFi3mdZklQR25p8_Y1y-866s_-CDToTWsJN3PHNNo-eu5bQBCMqszBKimtloU-FAR95WxdGIhLTwc2cRSBUTq5T7nQx2HPMbOIYpPgnYcC5dr2g5XjreuI7w5n7QKcKBOFJocph8Js1B6sjZaIo6eVFC_kC9qkwKoe vffmcQhqeOCSuYCDBykvLlunfl5VkeiV5N2KA3yU0hAY

"Here's some information about Donald J. Trump supporters who believe he's fighting the deep state (Israel) like John F Kennedy did.
If you believe Trump is against the deep state/Israel then we have bad news for you all who support Trump.

Read these articles and you will see he's a Zionist puppet like all previous presidents (apart from JFK) -

*Trump Becomes First Sitting U.S. President to Visit Western Wall*: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/tr...n-wall-n762891

*Sheldon Adelson (Zionist) to donate $100m to Trump and Republicans, fundraisers say*: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...icans-congress

*Trump’s ‘deal of the century'*: https://independentaustralia.net/pol...ected-it,13553

*Israel drawing up map for West Bank annexations*: Netanyahu: https://news.immitate.com/2020/02/09...nyahu-reuters/

*United States/Trump's recognition of the Golan Heights as part of Israel*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...part_of_Israel

*Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital and Orders U.S. Embassy to Move*:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/w...sultPosition=1

*Trump Signs Executive Order to Punish Critics Of Israel With Jeffrey Epstein’s Lawyer By His Side*:https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/12/...r-by-his-side/ "

[onawah]

“It’s not a cut, it’s a reduction.”
Alex Lawson
Social Security Works
(From the Social Security Works email update 2/14/20)
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/no...ts-a-reduction

"This week, Senator Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV) took down Donald Trump’s Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Trump’s disgusting budget proposal.

Sen. Cortez Masto: “This budget actually requests a cut of $90 billion for seniors on Social Security, correct?”

Sec. Mnuchin: “I believe it’s not a cut, it’s a reduction in the rate of increase.”

Here’s what I wish she’d asked next: Why are Social Security benefits scheduled to increase over time?

The answer is, Social Security benefits receive an automatic adjustment every year to help them keep up with inflation. Reducing that growth means that more of every Social Security check is eaten up by rising medicine, housing, and food costs. If that’s not a benefit cut, I don’t know what is.

Fight back against the Trump administration’s lies about Social Security and to rally the American people to expand, never cut, our earned benefits!


Only a true creature of Wall Street could try telling people that even though they are getting less money it isn't really a cut. If Social Security benefits were to stay flat every year, they would quickly begin losing value due to inflation. We need to make annual cost-of-living adjustments more generous, not less!

This Trump budget seeks to extend the Trump tax breaks for the wealthy, increasing their cost from $1.9 trillion to $3.1 trillion. At the same time, it cuts Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Don’t let Steven Mnuchin’s Washington-speak fool anyone. Fight back against the Trump administration’s lies and policies that are meant to hurt seniors and people with disabilities just to make the rich even richer.

Trump will continue to lie about his record on Social Security. It’s up to us to educate and rally the American people against these dangerous policies and demand accountability from this corrupt administration.


Thank you,

Alex Lawson
Social Security Works"

[T Smith]

Posted by onawah (here)

The answer is, Social Security benefits receive an automatic adjustment every year to help them keep up with inflation. Reducing that growth means that more of every Social Security check is eaten up by rising medicine, housing, and food costs. If that’s not a benefit cut, I don’t know what is.

This is a systemic problem. I can't speak to the specific budget proposal (and would like to learn more) but unfortunately, even if the adjustment is honored every year, and my guess is it will be--remember Congress will approve or disapprove of this cut--it really has nothing to do with Trump, save for his Administration proposing the cut based on the touted lower rate of inflation of a supposed robust Trump economy--it is still a cut nonetheless. The official adjusted rate of inflation--something like 2%-- is nominal relative to the real rate inflation, which is many percentage points higher. So no matter how much it increases it still being cut.

Frankly I will be surprised if my future social security check (which I could technically draw in eight years if I'm so inclined) will cover a new car payment, let alone health insurance or other necessities.

[onawah]

Trump approves bee-killing pesticides
From Food and Water Action's email update today
2/16/20
https://www.foodandwateraction.org/
"BREAKING: Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) just re-approved the widespread use of bee-killing pesticides — despite the fact that its own research shows that the pesticides are toxic to bees and other wildlife.1

Bees are an essential part of our food system. In fact, bees are responsible for ONE out of every THREE bites of food you eat.

Right now, we are in the midst of a massive global bee die-off caused in large part by the overuse of pesticides that are poisonous to bees. These pesticides are leading to bee colonies collapsing all over the world. We must stop the use of more bee-killing pesticides.2

Food & Water Action is mobilizing on every front to force Trump’s EPA to reverse this decision before it's too late. Your donations are making it possible to send our lobbyists to Congress, send our lawyers to the courts, and to organize protests in the streets — all to demand protection for the bees we all depend on for our food. And we’re calling on state and local governments to give the bees a lifeline by banning bee-killing pesticides locally until Trump is gone.Last year, U.S. beekeepers lost more than 40% of their honeybee populations.3 It’s a continuation of a trend that began in the 1980s, when bees began dying at an alarming rate. Now we have just a fraction of these vital pollinators left alive.4

We know the culprit: Scientists have uncovered a mountain of evidence showing that a class of pesticides called neonicotinoids are a leading cause of bee die-offs. The widely used pesticides cause nervous system problems in bees that stop them from pollinating and breeding as they should.5

The European Union passed a moratorium on the most widely-used pesticides, and several state and local governments have issued bans or restrictions as well.6,7 But not Trump’s EPA. It told giant agribusinesses to keep on using these killer chemicals. Bees pollinate 80% of our crops and are critical workers in our food supply. Join us to take emergency action for bees now.

First, we’re calling out the EPA for ignoring its own research. This decision isn’t final, and we’ve seen them back off under pressure before. In addition, Congress can take action to stop bee-killing pesticides, and we’re backing efforts at the state and local levels to ban neonics to give bees a lifeline until Trump is gone."

[Alan]

I guess there's 2 sides to every story.

https://slate.com/technology/2017/06...hurt-bees.html

Do Neonics Hurt Bees? Researchers and the Media Say Yes. The Data Do Not.
A new, landmark study provides plenty of useful information. If only we could interpret it accurately.

By Jon Entine
June 30, 20175:14 PM

[onawah]

I wasn't convinced by the article. This can't be swept under the rug so easily:
"This much-anticipated two year, $3.6 million study is particularly interesting because it was primarily funded by two major producers of neonicotinoids, Bayer Crop Science and Syngenta."
...and this isn't particularly reassuring:
"They had no involvement with the analysis of the data. The three-country study was led by the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, or CEH, in the U.K.—a group known for its skepticism of pesticides in general and neonics in particular."

Judging from the many conflicting results from the many and various studies, there is still not a lot of official agreement, unsurprising since we know well how biased such studies can be, particularly when they are done by such as Bayer and Sygenta.
On the whole, I doubt very much that the bias of studies done by activists and environmentalists are as untrustworthy.

Posted by Alan (here)
I guess there's 2 sides to every story.

https://slate.com/technology/2017/06...hurt-bees.html

Do Neonics Hurt Bees? Researchers and the Media Say Yes. The Data Do Not.
A new, landmark study provides plenty of useful information. If only we could interpret it accurately.

By Jon Entine
June 30, 20175:14 PM

[onawah]

Lawsuit Launched Over Trump’s Massive Rollback of Clean Water Act Protections
By: Waterkeeper Alliance
2/18/20
https://waterkeeper.org/news/lawsuit...vers-wetlands/

"Conservation groups filed a formal notice of intent to sue the Trump administration today for eliminating longstanding Clean Water Act protections for the nation’s waters, including approximately half of all wetlands and potentially millions of miles of streams. The Trump rule allows polluters to pave over wetlands and to dump pesticides, mining waste, and other pollutants directly into these now-unprotected waterways.

The impacts of this rollback were revealed in part by a leaked Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) analysis that indicates arid states like Arizona, New Mexico, and Nevada could lose protections for the vast majority of their waters. The loss of protections puts hundreds of endangered species at greater risk of extinction, including the Chiricahua leopard frog, Chinook salmon, and southwestern willow flycatcher.

“Trump’s despicable giveaway to polluters will wipe out countless wetlands and streams and speed the extinction of endangered wildlife across the country,” said Brett Hartl, government affairs director at the Center for Biological Diversity. “Even as we’re fighting this in court, the polluters will rush to fill in wetlands and turn our waterways into industrial toilets. So go outside, take a swim, or go fishing at your favorite spot now, because the deluge of pollution unleashed by Donald Trump will soon touch waterways from coast to coast.”

The final rule limits protections only to wetlands and streams that are “physically and meaningfully connected” to larger navigable bodies of water. The radical change repeals long-standing protections for wetlands, streams, and rivers that have been in place since the Nixon administration and that are responsible for major improvements in water quality nationwide.

President Trump’s Executive Order 13778 required EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers to review the rule defining which waters deserve Clean Water Act protections. The agencies decided to protect only those waters that have “a relatively permanent surface connection” to a territorial sea or commercially navigable body of water such as a shipping channel—a myopic legal interpretation that ignores decades of settled law and the basics of hydrology. The rule partially follows the minority legal view of the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, which was never adopted by the Supreme Court, but goes even further to eliminate protections for many other waters across the country.

“This reverses more than 40 years of progress and settled law,” said Kelly Hunter Foster, senior attorney at Waterkeeper Alliance. “Because the rule establishes arbitrary categories of protected waters, EPA and the Army Corps do not have the data necessary to fully identify the waters that will lose protection and they haven’t even assessed the impacts of leaving these waters unprotected where adequate data is available. Their actions are not only reckless—they are illegal.”

“The culture, heritage, and biodiversity of the desert Southwest are intertwined with the health of waterways throughout the region,” said Jen Pelz, Rio Grande Waterkeeper. “The dirty water rule fundamentally undermines efforts over the past half-century to protect clean water and restore the integrity of these vital arteries of life.”

“The 2020 dirty water rule recently rolled out by the Trump administration attacks long-standing protections for wetlands and small streams which will have far-reaching negative impacts on North Carolina’s environment and its residents,” said Matthew Starr, Upper Neuse Riverkeeper. “We cannot stand idly by while important clean water protections are dismantled.”

“Most of the waterways that crisscross Palm Beach County between Lake Okeechobee and the Lake Worth Lagoon will lose protection with this rule change, needlessly endangering the environment and public health, and allowing polluters to ruin the foundation of our economy,” said Reinaldo Diaz, Lake Worth Waterkeeper.

“Missouri has some of the most ecologically significant watersheds in mid-continental North America. The Meramec River basin, for example, is home to 31 species of global importance, many that are found nowhere else on Earth,” said Rachel Bartels, Missouri Confluence Waterkeeper. “As an ecologically significant wildlife area relied on by many anglers and conservationists, increased pollution and habitat degradation as a result of this rule will have devastating consequences.”

In rushing to comply with Trump’s executive order, the agencies violated both the Endangered Species Act and National Environmental Policy Act. Both laws require the federal government to “look before you leap” and ensure that the environmental consequences of a particular action will not cause unintended environmental damage.

“Clean water is the single most important resource for countless species, including humans,” says Annalisa Batanides Tuel, advocacy and policy manager at the Turtle Island Restoration Network. “Right now, we’re facing the reality of climate change and widespread habitat loss. It is critical to expand Clean Water Act protections—not shrink them—if we want to avoid mass extinction.”

Today’s notice of intent was submitted by the Center for Biological Diversity, Waterkeeper Alliance, Center for Food Safety, Turtle Island Restoration Network, Humboldt Baykeeper, Lake Worth Waterkeeper, Missouri Confluence Waterkeeper, Monterey Coastkeeper—A Program of the Otter Project, Rio Grande Waterkeeper, Sound Rivers (Upper Neuse, Lower Neuse, and Pamlico-Tar Riverkeepers), Russian Riverkeeper, Upper Missouri Waterkeeper, and Snake River Waterkeeper.

The organizations are represented by the Indian and Environmental Law Group."

[onawah]

New Leaked evidence shows that Trump lied--Assange arrest came after Wikileaks publisher refused to name sources
https://thewatchdog.net/2020/03/02/l...RtMqXSgOe1ztSc
"U.S. President Donald Trump offered Julian Assange clemency in return for confirmation that Seth Rich was the source of leaked Democratic Party emails — only to push for the indictment of the Wikileaks founder when he refused to comply.

Text messages released last week by Kim Dotcom, the internet entrepreneur and close associate of Assange, revealed how he helped facilitate a 2017 meeting between the 48-year-old Australian and former U.S. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R-Cal).

After his first meeting with Trump in April of that year, Rohrabacher travelled to meet Assange — then arbitrarily detained in Ecuador’s London embassy — after Dotcom brokered the arrangement through his friend and Fox News host, Sean Hannity.

In personal messages between the two, Hannity told Dotcom that the idea of a presidential pardon was “met with enthusiasm” by Trump (demarcated as T in the exchanges). That followed a number of Dotcom’s messages urging the cable news host to push for the arrangement.

“Remind T about the art of the deal,” one of them read.

“I have discussed it [the Assange deal] with him many times,” Hannity responded.

Important Release @Wikileaks
I brokered the deal via Trumps best friend (name redacted) to get Rep. Dana Rohrbacher to offer a pardon to Julian. Trump lies when he says he had nothing to do with the pardon offer. After Julian refused to disclose his source Trump got him indicted. pic.twitter.com/iNEPHi9gHD

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) February 25, 2020 "

More posted here : https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1338972

[Dennis Leahy]

A thought just hit me:

May I ask if any Trump supporters - current Trump supporters - actually figured it out on your own that Obama was a warmonger and corporatist, working for the Deep State?

Honestly.

Did you figure it out, by observing his actions and dismissing his words?

Be honest with yourself, you don't have to make any public statement at all... I'd just invite you to self-examine this.

Or, after your brutally honest self-examination, did you simply assign "Deep State" to Obama because he was from the other US political party, and that your major clue was, "if he's a Democrat, he's Deep State" (or bad guy, or war criminal, or the major cover-up team captain for 9/11, or follower/facilitator of the agenda of Empire Elite...") Did you honestly just catch on because you were observant and watched his actions? He was the coolest president in US history: suave, debonair, sink a 3-pointer, whip out the charm, disarm the tough inquiry with a witty remark. He was the best whistleblower stomper, the cognitive dissonance he spread destroyed "the left", the real left, the anti-war, anti-Empire left. He was the best president that the Global Corporate Network (the ruling elite) and their military industrial complex and fossil fuel multi-national energy syndicate ever had. The best. There are still Democrats - plenty of them, some I know quite personally - who will never break the spell, who will always think Obama was a good guy, a great guy, a hero and role model, and utterly dismiss all of his actual ACTIONS.

So, the next question to ask yourself - just a conversation between the parts of your brain that express thoughts and the part that listens and examines the thoughts - is:

If you figured Obama out (not just that he was on the other political gang's team), why haven't you figured Trump out yet?

Are you unaware of his actions? Yes, I'm sure you know his WORDS (just like my old Democrat buddies knew Obama's words), but are you actually unaware of his ACTIONS?

Have you ever actually looked at a list - true history, not some hatchet job - of Trump's actions? (Israel, Syria, Iran, Venezuela... picked up where Obama left off on EVERYTHING (just as Obama had picked up where W Bush left off), didn't overturn the Patriot Act nor NDAA, brokered a huge arms deal to Saudi Arabia, knowingly attacked Syria with bogus "he gassed his own people!" lies known to be lies and exposed as lies by a few brave/crazy souls that wouldn't play along with the White Helmets and OPCW bosses lies, refused to help the Palestinian people and instead helped the genocidal Israeli government, finished off smashing Standing Rock for the oil companies, weakened the Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act (the last piece of either citizen-centric or eco-centric rather than corporate-centric legislation passed in the US), signed off on a foreign mining consortium that is well-known to be ecocidal and exploitative to create a sulfide mine in the headwaters of the Mississippi River, condones and praises torture, made racism safe again, made one of the most obvious 9/11 co-conspirators his personal lawyer, hobnobbed with Epstein and oopsie-doodle, suicided him for his own sake and all the other scum elite bastards that sexually exploit kids, and can't even successfully find and prosecute the DNC corporation operative that ordered the "Russian call girl pee pee" dossier or Seth Rich's murder.

(that's just what pops to mind without actually looking anything up)

So, I'm not asking you to ask yourself why you like him - that's not the point. Hey, I remember when he said the words that he was going to get to the bottom of 9/11! Hot damn, that was awesome talk! And he said he was going to "drain the swamp" but then only went after the low-hanging fruit in the Democrat swamp contingent and made swamp monsters into his cabinet. He did keep his campaign promise about torture though - torture is still legal and still going on in "black/covert" prisons and torture centers around the world, and he has ordered the torture of Assange. So, he was a "man of his word" there on that sociopathic issue. He barked at Big Pharma once! He said that Hillary Clinton was a criminal! Oh wait, he also said the Clintons were good people... (well, I wasn't able to come up with much in the plus column, but he did say some awesome things. Man, I could play the clip of Trump saying he was going to get to the truth on 9/11 all freaking day long! Great words! Big words! The most biggest words! Some were even phrases, and I think occasionally full sentences. But yeah, he said some stuff.

Oh wait a minute, I thought of something that Trump DID! He was not Hillary Clinton!

So anyway, if you are a Trump supporter currently (and not just stuck in 2016 with the "not Hillary" thing), I challenge you to examine Trump's actions, the real ones, not Q's spin or partisan toddler thinking, and figure out how in the hell you saw through Obama but you can't see through Trump. Be honest with yourself. Don't lie to yourself. You don't have to tell us, just be brutally honest with yourself. Remember, ACTIONS, not WORDS. You're examining actions.

[jaybee]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Oh wait a minute, I thought of something that Trump DID! He was not Hillary Clinton!

That was good enough for me - still is...

And in November NOT being Joe Biden (or whoever but it looks like Biden?) will be good enough for me - (I like Tulsi Gabbard but she is too much of an Independent thinker for the Globalist dominated Democrats - so as we are seeing she isn't getting the support to get the candidacy - )

But I'm not American so I won't be deciding / voting -

Trump could have done better in some areas like curbing the Fascist like censorship that is creeping all over the internet - even Alex Jones is preparing to make an issue of that although he still broadly supports / loves him... Infowars is making stickers for people to put over their mouths at Trump Rallies as a silent non disruptive protest about it -

As a non American I trust Trump more when it comes to World Peace than the Democrats on offer - just before the 2016 election Hilary was talking about a no fly zone over Syria and ramping all that up which could have lead to serious conflict / war with Russia -

[jaybee]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Remember, ACTIONS, not WORDS. You're examining actions.

I liked it when he met with Kim Jong Un and treated him with respect on the World Stage even though he called him Rocket Man at first -

I think he has shown restraint with Syria - trying to reign in the warmongers who are still after Assad/the country - that time when he authorized a bit of bombing after the chemical weapon hoax - I think he was conned by the people around him and felt obliged to make some sort of response but it was minimal in terms of fatalities -

but like I said I'm not American so you will need an American when it comes to details about Domestic Policy -

He pulled out of the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) on the first day of his Presidency - I don't know much about that but I gather it was going to be a trade organization giving Corporations too much power - even over Governments.... people were against it but never gave Trump credit for his actions because the Hate Trump Operation had begun through the MSM - so it all went very quiet -

[Ratszinger]

Everyone thinks they have an idea of what is going on but the truth is they only have what they have been told, or I should say fed! What they've been fed is agenda to groom them toward a particular course or action the leaders of this world want to go. Six people run the planet! Six! Three of those six are popes, the black pope, the white pope, and the one seen in the public by everyone! Who are the others? It doesn't really matter does it the fact is they run the show. Trump answers to one of those three, Hillary answers to one of those three, and every other prez or prez candidate or anyone in any position at all answers to them in the end! Q likely answers to them too if Q isn't one of them himself or herself!

They all work toward the same goal! That goal is to lead the sheep and the sheep don't need to know anything other than to follow their directions so they lead them right to where they want them! Trump leads the world in the exact same direction Obama took us painting blurry pictures for all to see so as to hide the fact he is actually on the same page as Obama in every way as far as doing the bidding of his masters is concerned. We still move toward the same new world order of a one world central bank and a one world government they always wanted and each day it gets closer to them reaching their goal! There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirror action with Trump shuffling people in and out so fast at times that it gets hard to focus but the fact is Trump answers to the same people Obama answered to.

By the way I knew Barry before anyone ever heard of him! Before he was a politician at all he was a "Bob Marley" wannabe and dressed like him too! And for that matter he smelled like him but the guy has never been honest about anything ever! Barry was a foreign student when I met him and he lived in Chicago at the time. My understanding when I met Barry and when my friend Harry met him, we both understood him to be from Nigeria as a foreign student going to school! He later lived next door to Harry my friend for over 10.5 years with Michelle and then when he got to councilman and started hanging with penguin suits suddenly Barry took on a new look after going to spa to get cleaned up, and Michelle smiled and showed her teeth for the first time and they were white!

Before this you never saw that side of either of them! Harry and I stood back and watched as the democratic party took this smelling foreigner off the street, cleaned him up and groomed him for president in disbelief much the same way they took Hillary early on when raw, sent her off to spa and next thing you know she is up there on the stage waving to someone like she knows them the same way all the others do! All phony! All taught to them just to deceive a dumb public to asleep at wheel or too busy struggling through life to see the con game these elitists play with us! Barry was a phony from the word go and we witnessed it! He told his mailman, who I know by the way, to his face that he was going to be president! Barry said that not as if, not as if I want to be prez, but point blank that he knew, he knew even then that he was set to be prez and said so to that man that I know and he has said this to me publicly and on tape that Barry did this yet no one hears! OUR ELECTION IS CRAP! HE was selected just like Trump was end of story~!

[jaybee]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
Everyone thinks they have an idea of what is going on but the truth is they only have what they have been told, or I should say fed! What they've been fed is agenda to groom them toward a particular course or action the leaders of this world want to go. Six people run the planet! Six! Three of those six are popes, the black pope, the white pope, and the one seen in the public by everyone! Who are the others? It doesn't really matter does it the fact is they run the show. Trump answers to one of those three, Hillary answers to one of those three, and every other prez or prez candidate or anyone in any position at all answers to them in the end! Q likely answers to them too if Q isn't one of them himself or herself!

They all work toward the same goal! That goal is to lead the sheep and the sheep don't need to know anything other than to follow their directions so they lead them right to where they want them! Trump leads the world in the exact same direction Obama took us painting blurry pictures for all to see so as to hide the fact he is actually on the same page as Obama in every way as far as doing the bidding of his masters is concerned. We still move toward the same new world order of a one world central bank and a one world government they always wanted and each day it gets closer to them reaching their goal! There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirror action with Trump shuffling people in and out so fast at times that it gets hard to focus but the fact is Trump answers to the same people Obama answered to.

By the way I knew Barry before anyone ever heard of him! Before he was a politician at all he was a "Bob Marley" wannabe and dressed like him too! And for that matter he smelled like him but the guy has never been honest about anything ever! Barry was a foreign student when I met him and he lived in Chicago at the time. My understanding when I met Barry and when my friend Harry met him, we both understood him to be from Nigeria as a foreign student going to school! He later lived next door to Harry my friend for over 10.5 years with Michelle and then when he got to councilman and started hanging with penguin suits suddenly Barry took on a new look after going to spa to get cleaned up, and Michelle smiled and showed her teeth for the first time and they were white!

Before this you never saw that side of either of them! Harry and I stood back and watched as the democratic party took this smelling foreigner off the street, cleaned him up and groomed him for president in disbelief much the same way they took Hillary early on when raw, sent her off to spa and next thing you know she is up there on the stage waving to someone like she knows them the same way all the others do! All phony! All taught to them just to deceive a dumb public to asleep at wheel or too busy struggling through life to see the con game these elitists play with us! Barry was a phony from the word go and we witnessed it! He told his mailman, who I know by the way, to his face that he was going to be president! Barry said that not as if, not as if I want to be prez, but point blank that he knew, he knew even then that he was set to be prez and said so to that man that I know and he has said this to me publicly and on tape that Barry did this yet no one hears! OUR ELECTION IS CRAP! HE was selected just like Trump was end of story~!

I enjoyed that post

The thing about Trump being selected though - if this were true wouldn't he have the teeny weenyist bit of support from the MSM who appear to be in complete tandem with, and controlled by, the Shadowy Deep State socially engineering the flock -

Whatever the good or bad about Trump I still feel his election victory was a nasty surprise to the Globalist Elite, who wanted Clinton -

[T Smith]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
did you simply assign "Deep State" to Obama because he was from the other US political party, and that your major clue was, "if he's a Democrat, he's Deep State"...If you figured Obama out (not just that he was on the other political gang's team), why haven't you figured Trump out yet?

Dennis, in many of your posts you continue to advance the assumption that your readers somehow assume "Deep State" = "Democrat". I enjoy contemplating your posts but frankly you lose me a little bit when you continually push this assumption. First, the assumption is an oxymoron. "Deep State" is not partisan, by definition. Second, the implication you bestow on the reader--particularly those who either support Donald Trump or do not judge him to be a deep-state stooge--and/or who do not summarily dismiss him because he has an (R) next to his name --is the notion the reader subscribes to "Republican = Good", "Democrat = Bad." Your analogy is kind of like charging the reader with the belief that "the Commissioner of Baseball" = "New York Yankees..."

Yes, the term "deep state" has crept into the public lexicon and many people who understand the world through the propaganda arm of deep state itself (MSM) may equate "deep state" with "democrats". The irony is many of your readers, particularly those who support the current POTUS, are neither Republican or Democrat. I do understand the point you are making--but virtually everyone with whom I interact on this forum, even those who support Donald Trump, are fully aware that Rob Manfred is not part of the New York Yankees organization.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Have you ever actually looked at...Trump's actions?...didn't overturn the Patriot Act nor NDAA...

Presidents can't overturn or repeal Acts of Congress... the congress does that--and then the president can either execute or veto the Act--if and when Congress repeals the Patriot Act or NDAA and DJT vetos, I'm fully on board with your argument here--but regardless of whether or not DJT is a puppet of the Deep State, the claim that he hasn't overturned deep state legislation is not a very convincing argument by itself, in my opinion.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
...brokered a huge arms deal to Saudi Arabia, knowingly attacked Syria with bogus "he gassed his own people!" lies known to be lies and exposed as lies by a few brave/crazy souls that wouldn't play along with the White Helmets and OPCW bosses lies, refused to help the Palestinian people and instead helped the genocidal Israeli government, finished off smashing Standing Rock for the oil companies, weakened the Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act (the last piece of either citizen-centric or eco-centric rather than corporate-centric legislation passed in the US), signed off on a foreign mining consortium that is well-known to be ecocidal and exploitative to create a sulfide mine in the headwaters of the Mississippi River, condones and praises torture, made racism safe again, made one of the most obvious 9/11 co-conspirators his personal lawyer, hobnobbed with Epstein and oopsie-doodle, suicided him for his own sake and all the other scum elite bastards that sexually exploit kids, and can't even successfully find and prosecute the DNC corporation operative that ordered the "Russian call girl pee pee" dossier or Seth Rich's murder.

As far as this entire paragraph goes, we can certainly discuss point by point if it serves the topic of this thread. And there is certainly some ground for agreement here. However, I would point out (with some degree of irony) that many of the points appear to me to be simplistic "partisan-like" spin on a much more complex dynamic.

As I often point out in these type of discussions, the United States Government is a colossal--I mean a vastly colossal corporate bureaucracy, with corruption deeply metastasized in every fiber of its over-reaching and rotting being. We can argue whether the current presidential administration is "at war with" or but "an extension of" said corruption, and this would be a valid discussion, also a complex and dynamic one. But to claim because POTUS has failed to root out all corruption and deep state shenanigans as evidence he is simply "more of the same" is not a very convincing argument, imho.

[Ratszinger]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by Ratszinger (here)
Everyone thinks they have an idea of what is going on but the truth is they only have what they have been told, or I should say fed! What they've been fed is agenda to groom them toward a particular course or action the leaders of this world want to go. Six people run the planet! Six! Three of those six are popes, the black pope, the white pope, and the one seen in the public by everyone! Who are the others? It doesn't really matter does it the fact is they run the show. Trump answers to one of those three, Hillary answers to one of those three, and every other prez or prez candidate or anyone in any position at all answers to them in the end! Q likely answers to them too if Q isn't one of them himself or herself!

They all work toward the same goal! That goal is to lead the sheep and the sheep don't need to know anything other than to follow their directions so they lead them right to where they want them! Trump leads the world in the exact same direction Obama took us painting blurry pictures for all to see so as to hide the fact he is actually on the same page as Obama in every way as far as doing the bidding of his masters is concerned. We still move toward the same new world order of a one world central bank and a one world government they always wanted and each day it gets closer to them reaching their goal! There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirror action with Trump shuffling people in and out so fast at times that it gets hard to focus but the fact is Trump answers to the same people Obama answered to.

By the way I knew Barry before anyone ever heard of him! Before he was a politician at all he was a "Bob Marley" wannabe and dressed like him too! And for that matter he smelled like him but the guy has never been honest about anything ever! Barry was a foreign student when I met him and he lived in Chicago at the time. My understanding when I met Barry and when my friend Harry met him, we both understood him to be from Nigeria as a foreign student going to school! He later lived next door to Harry my friend for over 10.5 years with Michelle and then when he got to councilman and started hanging with penguin suits suddenly Barry took on a new look after going to spa to get cleaned up, and Michelle smiled and showed her teeth for the first time and they were white!

Before this you never saw that side of either of them! Harry and I stood back and watched as the democratic party took this smelling foreigner off the street, cleaned him up and groomed him for president in disbelief much the same way they took Hillary early on when raw, sent her off to spa and next thing you know she is up there on the stage waving to someone like she knows them the same way all the others do! All phony! All taught to them just to deceive a dumb public to asleep at wheel or too busy struggling through life to see the con game these elitists play with us! Barry was a phony from the word go and we witnessed it! He told his mailman, who I know by the way, to his face that he was going to be president! Barry said that not as if, not as if I want to be prez, but point blank that he knew, he knew even then that he was set to be prez and said so to that man that I know and he has said this to me publicly and on tape that Barry did this yet no one hears! OUR ELECTION IS CRAP! HE was selected just like Trump was end of story~!

I enjoyed that post

The thing about Trump being selected though - if this were true wouldn't he have the teeny weenyist bit of support from the MSM who appear to be in complete tandem with, and controlled by, the Shadowy Deep State socially engineering the flock -

Whatever the good or bad about Trump I still feel his election victory was a nasty surprise to the Globalist Elite, who wanted Clinton -

Thank you. I believe that everyone is playing their role. Q even hints to this at times in posts made calling it a show all the time as if it is all scripted and one wonders based on the predictive accuracy if that isn't the case. It all indicates illusion of two sides when in fact there is just one dude behind both making each play their specific parts. At some point a larger part of the pop. will overwhelmingly come into the Trump camp to support him after the game plays out and one side falls. As a necessary part of the plan the plan requires the people to support it to drive it all home in the end so it has to be engineered to have support of the people behind the leader of the flock to work.

The people in this case will unknowingly demand the new world order just as I stated in another post. If they actually knew the facts of what was going on they'd never be behind it but the plan calls for making this old world order so uncomfortable, so horrid as to make the people demand change and then the people will literally shove the NWO right into place and the elitists close the gate and the hammer comes down on the world at that point cause the people walked themselves right into where the elitists running the show wanted them all along!

As I also pointed out when Trump took over he went right into North Korea, then Syria and he has been working both over and now Iran just as I predicted he would in 2016. He picked up right where Barry left off and once each of those last three countries with their own currencies falls they'll get new central FED banks and the new world order commences. I believe Trump was selected just to usher in their NWO!