Trump is NOT the answer

[AutumnW]

AriG,

How sad your adopted children were mistreated through the warped ideology of PC. I admire you so much for taking all of that on. Peace Sister.

[AriG]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
AriG,

How sad your adopted children were mistreated through the warped ideology of PC. I admire you so much for taking all of that on. Peace Sister.

Thank you Autumn, and I am
Truly sorry for not recognizing.... strike that, for failing to understand your POV prior to overreacting.

Life is a lesson...to better days

Xoxo

[onawah]

I am just jumping in here briefly to report that, though I have contributed a lot of criticism of Trump's policies in this thread over the last few years, I voted Republican for the first time ever, for him, and though still not a fan, have come to think that he is more than just the lesser of two evils.
I highly recommend Dark Journalist's show from tonight with featured guest Dr. Joseph Farrell.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1389362
Their topic of discussion was Trump, this election and what it could mean for the future, etc.
They are both great researchers and dot connectors, so most likely everyone could learn something of value from it.
And it's very nice to see two Avalon members ironing out their differences constructively without having to resort to the Ignore option, or Mods stepping in.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Mike (here)
But, except for a very small number of people, the ones teaching and learning it truly believe in it. And it is immensely harmful. It's like a cultural cancer.

These highly polarizing social issues that we're dealing with in America (and across the world) are perfect vehicles to usher in Marxism. Race issues, gender issues, trans issues...they all seek to weaponize our compassion. They use a murky vocabulary designed to deceive. "Equity" is one such word.. It means forced outcomes. It means Marxism.

I would guess that 95% of people here in the states do not know that. They just hear the word "equality" or "equity", and immediately jump on board. And if you oppose it? Well you must be racist then!

When you have Marxism hiding in the comfy confines of polarizing social issues, it is very difficult to criticize it, for the reason i just laid out...you will labeled a racist, a transphobe, a misogynist. And therein lies it's genius.

Nail that b*stard to the wall. 100%!!

[Lunesoleil]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mJN4dd7JDL8

This man is convinced that Trump is America's savior

[Merlinus]

Yep, politicians are selected not elected, All of this is a farce. Trump is controlled, absolutely.

[abc]

I always find it hard to like politicians. I can't trust them. In my opinion, politicians only pretend to be with the people to get themselves elected and then discard any care towards said people.

[pueblo]

Posted by Merlinus (here)
Yep, politicians are selected not elected, All of this is a farce. Trump is controlled, absolutely.

Who do you believe is controlling Trump?

Posted by abc (here)
I always find it hard to like politicians. I can't trust them. In my opinion, politicians only pretend to be with the people to get themselves elected and then discard any care towards said people.

I agree about trusting politicians. Trump though is not a career politician, does this fact make him any easier for you to like/trust?

[Zamolxe]

In light of the recent events that have unfolded, I wanted to start a new discussion after many years of being inactive.

In the past weeks, I've been reading all the threads related to the 2020 presidential elections - threads mostly gravitating around the fraud that has been described by the president and his allies.

I got to a point where I thought that most of the Avalon users hold Trump in high regards. But yesterday, I've seen members posting opposing views, which makes me think that they have just been silent around this subject.

So I would like to know.. concretely, what makes you consider Trump as a savior figure?
What accomplishments/policies do you resonate with?

Thanks!

[Metaphor]

I don´t deem trump as a saviour or anything. He was and perhaps still is a beacon of hope that the deep state and the satanic pedos are not unchallenged. Thats all I think of him. Being anti-Biden doesnt mean im pro-Trump. He´s just the devil you know. A day like today I feel that we cannot put our hopes to a politician, it has to be we that take things in our own hands.
We are waiting for "Gandalf the White" to come. But will he? or are we the ones we have been waiting for?

[pueblo]

There is already a thread addressing this..

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...light=trump%3F

[Zamolxe]

Posted by pueblo (here)
There is already a thread addressing this..

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...light=trump%3F

Sorry, seems I didn't do a good enough search.
Don't know if a mod should close this thread.

[Zamolxe]

Posted by Metaphor (here)
I don´t deem trump as a saviour or anything. He was and perhaps still is a beacon of hope that the deep state and the satanic pedos are not unchallenged. Thats all I think of him. Being anti-Biden doesnt mean im pro-Trump. He´s just the devil you know. A day like today I feel that we cannot put our hopes to a politician, it has to be we that take things in our own hands.
We are waiting for "Gandalf the White" to come. But will he? or are we the ones we have been waiting for?

I understand your point of view, I don't like Biden either, and who wouldn't support an anti-deep state and anti-"satanic pedos" candidate.

But my question is, what has he done concretely that makes you believe he is those 2 things. I'm trying to find the precise actions that place him in those shoes. What I have seen until now, is only internet vloggers/bloggers stating that they have "insider" information that he is acting against the DS and satanic pedos.

[Mike]

He was trying to defund critical race theory. That was it for me. I regard crt as the biggest cancer threatening western civilization at the moment. In my view, he was the only thing separating us from that weird brand of insanity.

I don't think he was playing 3d chess or anything like that. I don't view him as a savior. I view him as the last line of defense against the likely destruction of the republic. It should have never gotten that far though. The fate of the country (and maybe the world) should have never wound up in his hands and his hands alone. Not fair. We all bear some responsibility for that. The clues were everywhere, but we didn't take them seriously enough. And now it's all this.

I want to blame Biden voters, but I can't. They're remarkably naive, but Ive been sleepwalking for a long time. Ive only just recently discovered what the hell is going on in this country. It's kind of like when i first discovered the bushel of nose hairs i have. My nose was itching all day, and when i looked closely i saw all these hideous nose hairs tickling the outer rim. And I thought, how the hell did those f#ckers sneak up on me without me noticing???

I want to take official responsiblity for my idiocy, just so i have the chance to sleep at night.

[Metaphor]

Posted by Zamolxe (here)

Posted by Metaphor (here)
I don´t deem trump as a saviour or anything. He was and perhaps still is a beacon of hope that the deep state and the satanic pedos are not unchallenged. Thats all I think of him. Being anti-Biden doesnt mean im pro-Trump. He´s just the devil you know. A day like today I feel that we cannot put our hopes to a politician, it has to be we that take things in our own hands.
We are waiting for "Gandalf the White" to come. But will he? or are we the ones we have been waiting for?

I understand your point of view, I don't like Biden either, and who wouldn't support an anti-deep state and anti-"satanic pedos" candidate.

But my question is, what has he done concretely that makes you believe he is those 2 things. I'm trying to find the precise actions that place him in those shoes. What I have seen until now, is only internet vloggers/bloggers stating that they have "insider" information that he is acting against the DS and satanic pedos.

Hello again. No I don´t belive anything. it´s as you say a lot of people around trump that say and claim a lot of things. I have with great precaution followed this, and kind of fed of the hope that it gave, just to make it through the day. I just came for the "hopium". Like a junkie. Nothing more than that.

[Zamolxe]

Posted by Mike (here)
He was trying to defund critical race theory. That was it for me. I regard crt as the biggest cancer threatening western civilization at the moment. In my view, he was the only thing separating us from that weird brand of insanity.

I don't think he was playing 3d chess or anything like that. I don't view him as a savior. I view him as the last line of defense against the likely destruction of the republic. It should have never gotten that far though. The fate of the country (and maybe the world) should have never wound up in his hands and his hands alone. Not fair. We all bear some responsibility for that. The clues were everywhere, but we didn't take them seriously enough. And now it's all this.

I want to blame Biden voters, but I can't. They're remarkably naive, but Ive been sleepwalking for a long time. Ive only just recently discovered what the hell is going on in this country. It's kind of like when i first discovered the bushel of nose hairs i have. My nose was itching all day, and when i looked closely i saw all these hideous nose hairs tickling the outer rim. And I thought, how the hell did those f#ckers sneak up on me without me noticing???

I want to take official responsiblity for my idiocy, just so i have the chance to sleep at night.

Thanks for the reply, had to google critical race theory and it led me to a very interesting subject to read about further.

It would seem that you are in a separate group that has a specific concern regarding the direction of american culture and society... and you saw Trump as necessary for turning away from that direction. I can understand people seeing having him president as being useful in regards to their own concerns and issues...

What I am trying to find is what actions has he taken that makes people see him as playing the "3d chess" that you mentioned. People that not see him only as necessary, but as a "savior" and as "the greatest president in history".

[Strat]

Posted by Zamolxe (here)
What I am trying to find is what actions has he taken that makes people see him as playing the "3d chess" that you mentioned. People that not see him only as necessary, but as a "savior" and as "the greatest president in history".

I don't mean to hijack your thread but as an American who loves reading US history, I can't take people who believe this seriously. I assume people who say this don't read US history, are trolling, are being facetious, or maybe they just can't stand the left so much that they say things like this as a kind of push back. I am pro Trump, but I don't get carried away with it.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Zamolxe (here)

So I would like to know.. concretely, what makes you consider Trump as a savior figure?

I do appreciate your very civil question. The best simple answer may be this:

As I've posted several times, it's not because of who he is. It's because of who he's not.

I'd encourage you (or anyone else!) to read my two long and detailed personal Q&A posts here, quite carefully. There's a lot of information there.

1. #1182 (20 November)
2. #1207 (21 December)

[Zamolxe]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by Zamolxe (here)
What I am trying to find is what actions has he taken that makes people see him as playing the "3d chess" that you mentioned. People that not see him only as necessary, but as a "savior" and as "the greatest president in history".

I don't mean to hijack your thread but as an American who loves reading US history, I can't take people who believe this seriously. I assume people who say this don't read US history, are trolling, are being facetious, or maybe they just can't stand the left so much that they say things like this as a kind of push back. I am pro Trump, but I don't get carried away with it.

Well, Trump himself has said it multiple times, so how can you be pro Trump if you don't take him seriously? Also, most of the opinion-show tv/radio hosts that he keeps retweeting have also said it multiple times.

[Strat]

Posted by Zamolxe (here)
Well, Trump himself has said it multiple times, so how can you be pro Trump if you don't take him seriously?

I think we have a slight miscommunication. When I say I'm pro Trump I mean I prefer him over the alternative. He says and does dumb things and we've had other presidents that have done more for the country in worse situations. This is a very large topic and I'm trying to keep it brief so apologies if my 2 cents aren't very helpful.