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    I remember a tribe up in Alaska saying the sun doesnt rise in its normal position, thy us the position of the sun for hunting , returning home , and have for centuries , around 2010-2011 they noticed a shift ... the sun is the same, its the earth that has titlted ...
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    I remember a tribe up in Alaska saying the sun doesnt rise in its normal position, thy us the position of the sun for hunting , returning home , and have for centuries , around 2010-2011 they noticed a shift ... the sun is the same, its the earth that has titlted ...
    No, that doesn't help! That's exactly how rumors and false information start, and then get reposted and reposted, confusing members like Ricker who are asking honest questions. PLEASE don't post stuff like that without knowing exactly what you're talking about.

    I and others have written this (below) many times. Here's once more, hoping it may stick.

    If the earth had shifted on its axis even half of one degree,
    • GPS would no longer work (because the earth would have shifted underneath the orbiting satellites, which would simply have kept on going)
    • drivers in an unfamiliar city would be navigated to entirely the wrong place,
    • planes would fail to automatically arrive at their destinations and would get lost in bad weather,
    • sailors in their yachts, near to coastlines in the fog, would far more often get shipwrecked,
    • anyone with satellite TV would have to adjust their dishes to get reception again (that's hundreds of millions of people!), and
    • predictions of eclipses would be so inaccurate everyone with eyes to see would be asking a ton of questions about what the heck had gone wrong.
    Others reading this can probably think of many other ways in which this would IMMEDIATELY come to everyone's attention. It's NOT the kind of thing that could ever be 'covered up'.

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    I remember a tribe up in Alaska saying the sun doesnt rise in its normal position, thy us the position of the sun for hunting , returning home , and have for centuries , around 2010-2011 they noticed a shift ... the sun is the same, its the earth that has titlted ...
    Your post reminded me of this article from 2015

    Aalto University helps Native Americans relocate after concerns of an impending tsunami.... According to the tribe, the operation must be completed by 2017, before the threat arrives,” says Harris.

    http://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/aa...sunami/7916402

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    Aalto University helps Native Americans relocate after concerns of an impending tsunami.... According to the tribe, the operation must be completed by 2017, before the threat arrives,” says Harris.

    http://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/aa...sunami/7916402
    Yes. That earthquake and tsunami will happen... someday. (And maybe, any day. That's solid science.) For reference, there's a whole thread about this:

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    The indigenous peoples tend to be uncannily accurate in their predictions and prophecies. If they think the project needs to be completed by 2017, I think that is a warning.
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    The Japan earthquake of of 2011 they claimed knocked the Earth off its original tilt , and airports in Florida had to restripe their runways, magnetics are off , the jetstream has been altered, the climate is broken , we had 20 degrees yesterday and 60 degrees today , in december not normal for my area... they say magnetic north moves a little each year ... it seems in my area the weather feels like a month off ... e have had bittrcold like l have never seen, i have lived in this area for 50 years...
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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    The Japan earthquake of of 2011 they claimed knocked the Earth off its original tilt , and airports in Florida had to restripe their runways, magnetics are off , the jetstream has been altered, the climate is broken , we had 20 degrees yesterday and 60 degrees today , in december not normal for my area... they say magnetic north moves a little each year ... it seems in my area the weather feels like a month off ... e have had bittrcold like l have never seen, i have lived in this area for 50 years...
    Well, that paragraph mixed up a lot of things in one giant milkshake, with no sources for anything.

    This might help!

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as....tsunami.earth

    Japan moved 8 feet, and the earth was moved on its axis by 4 inches.

    It took me 30 seconds to look that up. Please!

    Magnetic North is moving, and that's well-known. I stated that in post #3. Here's one of the many maps -- again, 30 seconds to find it.



    Climate changing, yes... it seems to be getting a lot colder in many places, and the trend shows no signs of stopping. Grossly under-reported in the controlled media. See this thread:

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    Ill inocently post my thoughts here but please don't blast me out of the water is they dumb 0.0

    Forgive me if this has already been talked about in this post.
    I haven't the time to read through all reply here, so many other readings going on 0.o

    And please excuse my general ignorance on the subject.

    One thing I read here is the pole are getting nearer to each other, not just moving position.

    So if that is the case the pole moment will get faster and faster because opposites attract, yes?

    If they get near enough to each other will they suddenly jump and connect?
    If so not just pole movement but Pole-Connection.


    What will that cause and how dose the planet pole-system get out of that condition?

    As I said please forgive my ignorance but can someone sort that out for me

    Our Earth's inner magnet and Pole-System supposedly comes from it's liquid/molten iron centre, the pole distinction coming from the Earth's axial movement/spinning and so causing North and South.

    So within that system how do the poles move and get nearer to each other if not by out side effects (I know the earths core is also cooling)?
    Outside effects on that scale added to a pole movement of this scale surely means a physical movement that is not our norm?
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    Ill inocently post my thoughts here but please don't blast me out of the water is they dumb 0.0

    Forgive me if this has already been talked about in this post.
    I haven't the time to read through all reply here, so many other readings going on 0.o

    And please excuse my general ignorance on the subject.

    One thing I read here is the pole are getting nearer to each other, not just moving position.

    So if that is the case the pole moment will get faster and faster because opposites attract, yes?

    If they get near enough to each other will they suddenly jump and connect?
    If so not just pole movement but Pole-Connection.

    What will that cause and how dose the planet pole-system get out of that condition?

    As I said please forgive my ignorance but can someone sort that out for me

    Our Earth's inner magnet and Pole-System supposedly comes from it's liquid/molten iron centre, the pole distinction coming from the Earth's axial movement/spinning and so causing North and South.

    So within that system how do the poles move and get nearer to each other if not by out side effects (I know the earths core is also cooling)?
    Outside effects on that scale added to a pole movement of this scale surely means a physical movement that is not our norm?
    Your opinion as valid as anyone else's Sunny-side -up.
    What you expressed I have seen elsewhere I cant remember exactly where--may be Gregg Braden or David Sereda.
    Could even have been Suspicious Observer but thats a long shot.

    The problem is their talks are lengthy so not easy to find a small segment.
    Gregg Braden, in particular, pointed out that there are so many things going on as far as earth changes and so many similar prophesies from indigenous people that we maybe on the crux of something "special/spectacular" happening.

    As with everything else we will just have to wait and see.

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    Yes I know what you mean about information retrieval and so much to see/read/ponder, well that is this Pandora's box we make for our selves (and we do make/add to it with every thought).

    As with everything else we will just have to wait and see.

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    All this pole reversal stuff is just yet more pie-in-the-sky disaster porn.

    I'm offering 100 to 1 odds... _against_ there being a magnetic pole reversal in 2017.
    Is there _a_n_y_o_n_e_ with sufficient belief in this ... hot air.... to take my wager.
    I am serious about offering this bet... but i'm only willing to take bets up to $20.
    (That is, after all, a payout of $2,000 if the statistical miracle occurs in 2017)
    How does it work ? I can sell you 'Magnetic Pole Reversal Insurance' via paypal.

    If you're interested.. please PM me.

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    All this pole reversal stuff is just yet more pie-in-the-sky disaster porn.

    I'm offering 100 to 1 odds... _against_ there being a magnetic pole reversal in 2017.
    Unlikely, but theoretically possible. (This is NOT NOT NOT what John Moore, or even the Pacific Coast Native Americans are talking about.)

    Earth’s magnetic field could flip within our lifetime – but don’t worry, we should be OK

    This summer, the European Space Agency published data that suggested that the Earth’s magnetic field could flip — as in, the magnetic north pole becomes the magnetic south pole — in “a few thousand years.” At the time, I figured there was no rush to write it up — after all, we might not even be living on Earth in a few thousand years. Now, however, new research published this week shows that the magnetic field might flip within our lifetime — so it’s probably something that we ought to talk about.

    The Earth’s magnetic field can flip…?


    Earth’s magnetic north pole, vs. true/geographic north pole


    As you probably remember from high school, the Earth is a giant bar magnet — a magnetic dipole with the north pole in the north, and the south pole in the south. If you imagine that there’s really a massive bar magnet in the middle of the Earth, it’s tilted by about 10 degrees from the planet’s axis, which is why the magnetic north pole — currently in the upper northern tracts of Canada — is a few hundred miles away from geographic/true north.

    For now, magnetic north is close enough to true north that it doesn’t really matter (unless you’re trying to navigate using a compass in arctic or antarctic regions, in which case you’re in trouble). But the Earth’s magnetic field is shifting. New satellite data from the ESA shows that the Earth’s magnetic field is weakening 10 times faster than we previously thought — an indicator that scientists believe is a precursor to a geomagnetic reversal. At the time, there was nothing to worry about — previous geological records suggested that a geomagnetic reversal occurs over thousands of years. Now, however, a new study has analyzed rocks from the previous flip — the Matuyama-Brunhes magnetic reversal of 786,000 years ago — and found that the process completed in under 100 years.

    Earth’s various layers, including the crust, mantle, outer core, and inner core

    What causes a geomagnetic reversal?

    The Earth’s magnetic field is generated by the movement of molten iron in its outer core, through what’s known as the dynamo theory. We won’t know for sure until we actually get down there and do some investigating, but as far as scientific theories go it’s pretty well grounded.

    Due to reasons we don’t fully understand, something causes the movement of the molten core to change — and thus the north and south poles switch. The most likely reason for the reversal is simply the general interaction and chaos of the massive dynamic forces at play — but there are some other hypothesized triggers, such as massive impacts, or significant plate tectonic shifts. The fact that there’s no evidence that a reversal occurred after the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event — the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs — suggests that impact events probably aren’t the cause, though.

    In any case, these geomagnetic reversals occur irregularly, averaging around 450,000 years between each switch. The last reversal — the Matuyama-Brunhes reversal — occurred about 780,000 years ago, so it’s high time for another one to occur.



    Are we all going to die horrible, fiery deaths?


    At this point, scientists are pretty certain that a geomagnetic reversal is about to happen — they’re just not sure exactly when it will occur. Obviously, when you’re dealing with a mass of molten iron that is best measured in quintillions of tons, and your nearest seismological probes are thousands of miles away from the action, there’s a fair bit of guesswork involved.

    If the ESA’s satellite data and the new paleomagnetic data (literally, the study of Earth’s magnetic fields by looking at rocks) are both accurate, then the Earth’s next geomagnetic reversal might have already begun. By the time we die — or at least when our children die — the north pole might be in the south.


    NASA’s simulation of what Earth’s magnetic fields might look like during a geomagnetic reversal


    Sadly, we can only guess at what actually happens to Earth — and all the lovely organisms that live on its surface — during a geomagnetic reversal. Most hypotheses and simulations suggest that there’ll be a fairly long period during the reversal where the poles are all messed up — so at the very least, you can forget using your compass to navigate. Organisms that use magnetoception to navigate — birds, bacteria, bees — might themselves similarly confused.

    During this period, there won’t be a north or south pole at all, which might impact some computers and navigational systems — but in most cases, I would’ve thought software updates, plus GPS satellites, will have us covered.

    There is also the possibility that our magnetic field will be significantly weakened during the reversal process, which would leave us — and more importantly, our atmosphere — vulnerable to the eroding effects of highly charged solar particles (solar wind). This possibility has led some scientists to suggest that a geomagnetic reversal would cause an extinction event — but so far, there are no fossil records that suggest that previous reversals were followed by mass extinctions.

    Likewise, considering many of the species currently on Earth lived through the last geomagnetic reversal, it would seem they already have some mechanism for coping with shifts in the magnetic field.

    So, to answer the question: No, the impending geomagnetic reversal probably won’t cause some kind of apocalypse — but we may have to live through a few decades of pigeons getting lost, bacteria behaving weirdly, and other semi-serious problems. There is certainly a possibility that something nasty and world-ending will be triggered by a geomagnetic reversal — but we should have plenty of warning (months, years) if that’s the case.

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    Thanks for the link to the timelinev1variant83. There is a tremendous wealth looking in that direction. I am now reading about Dr. Dan Burisch and the Ganesh particle and also about Dr. Tom Bearden.

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    Lucidity, your 100:1 odds bet is very safe. The shortest period for the switchover provided by any scientists is 80 years, and it has been going on for maybe a dozen years so far. The switch will happen, but I am going out on a limb claiming it will happen by the year 2025. We don't really know when, of course. The last switch was nearly 800000 years ago. Also, the available data is not very precise. BTW, Earth scientists have been reducing the expected number of years faster than the Earth has been switching its magnetic poles!

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    Well, Bill. A shift of only 1/2 of one degree would cause world-wide tsunami of proportions that would make the Fucashima tragedy look small in comparison.

    Now, I have been wondering how many degrees tilt would it take to bring down the satellites. We use the geosynchronous communication satellites for TV and they would no longer be synchronous. Yet, the steerable satellites might be manageable to remain in orbit. The correctional steering would have to be done soon or the sats would wander off into uselessness. The GPS sats are in polar orbits that are already tilted. The GPS sat orbits are critical for computing locations on the Earth, but they are also constantly changing (by small amounts) and the orbits are continuously recalculated. I suspect that (1) the Navy would be aware very quickly that the sat positions are off, and (2) new calculations would bring the GPS system back in order within a day. No, I do not think that any sats would de-orbit.

    BTW, publishers of astronomy books, charts, and maps would have a field day replacing everything if the Earth tilted on its axis by half a degree.

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    Preparing for pole-shift 2017- Retired Military Man John Moore

    Published on Oct 26, 2016

    What the government knows for sure about the pole shift and loss of life
    Why the CIA is being moved to Denver?


    "Disclaimer---John Moore has been talking about this since as long as I can remember--so discretion required."
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