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    Why Do Flat Earth Believers Still Exist? | Ars Technica
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    A FLAT EARTH VICTORY?!? (Warning: Sarcasm ahead!)
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    Default Re: John B. Wells' brilliant take on 'Flat Earthers' (PsyOp)

    A quick and enjoyable read on the psychological side of this silliness.

    My favorite few sentences from the article:

    Quote Being heard is now more important than being right, and being right has long been more valued than being compassionate. In such a toxic environment all facts are open to interpretation. Sadly, the interpreters are only proficient in one language—and even that one, barely.

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    A Simple Compass CRUSHES Flat Earth
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    Interview with an Ex Flat Earther



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    Lightbulb Re: John B. Wells' brilliant take on 'Flat Earthers' (PsyOp)

    How to reason with flat earthers (it may not help though).

    Thinking that the earth might be flat appears to have grown in popularity in recent years. Indeed, flat earthers are gathering for their annual conference this year in Birmingham, just two miles from a major university.

    But the earth isn’t flat. Unsurprisingly, this isn’t hard to prove. But as scads of YouTube videos demonstrate, these proofs fail to convince everyone. A glance at the comments show there’s still vitriolic disagreement in some quarters.

    Philosophy can explain why. Consider one, standard, flat earth line: “Can you prove the world is round?” Maybe you point to the (often artificially assembled) photos of Earth from space. Or possibly you rely on the testimony of astronauts. The flat earther knocks it all back. The standard of proof is higher, they say. You haven’t been to space. You haven’t seen the round earth.
    Perhaps you then start to appeal to science. But unless you’re unusual, you probably don’t know all of the details of the scientific proofs – is it something to do with ships and horizons? Or eclipses? And even if you know the details, unless you’ve indulged existing flat earth literature you are unlikely – right here, right now – to be able to cogently, concisely and comprehensively respond to the lengthy rebuttals flat earthers will give to each and every scientific proof.

    You could double down. Getting knee deep in the vloggersphere, you might learn the details of the scientific proofs as well as painstakingly spelling out each error in every flat earther’s rebuttal.
    I recommend against doing that. I recommend letting philosophy do the work. I recommend “epistemic contextualism”. To understand what this is, we first must understand a familiar idea: context shift. Consider the sentence “I’m tall”. Surrounded by five year olds at a rollercoaster park, the sentence is true – after all, I can get on all the rides and they can’t. But at the try-outs for the Harlem Globetrotters, my measly 5’11" won’t cut it. So in that context, the sentence is false. Tallness is contextually sensitive. And it makes no sense to further ask whether I’m really tall or not. It only makes sense given a particular context.

    Epistemic contextualists say that knowledge is the same. Imagine you’re transferring £10 to your daughter. You know her bank details. You tap them in. You send the money. But now imagine you’re transferring £50,000. Doubt sets in. Do you really know her bank details? Are you sure? Sensibly, you phone her to double check. The contextualist says that in the first case, you know her bank details. In the second case, even though nothing about you has changed, the context has. And in that case, you don’t know the details.
    Moving the goalposts

    That said, I claim the flat earther is doing a “Phoebe”. In one episode from Friends, Phoebe and Ross argue about evolution. Ross piles on the evidence thick and fast. Finally, Phoebe loses her temper. Can he be so unbelievably arrogant, she asks, that he can’t admit the slightest chance that he might be wrong? Sheepishly, Ross agrees that there might be a chance. Suddenly, Phoebe has him – Ross’s admission destroys his worldview. He’s a palaeontologist and, having admitted he can’t be sure about evolution, how can he “face the other science guys”?

    Phoebe has (humorously) shifted context. Ross’s proof starts off relying on fossils in museums, books and articles on evolutionary biology, and so on. But Phoebe moves him to a “sceptical context” in which if there’s a hint of doubt about something – any possibility that you might be wrong – then you don’t know it at all.

    Philosophers are well acquainted with these sceptical contexts. For instance, you could be plugged into the Matrix and, if you were, then every belief you had would be false. By bringing your attention to that, I put us in a sceptical context within which we don’t know much of anything. Most people, though, ignore this possibility – most people assume themselves not to be in a sceptical context.
    It’s now easy to see how Ross can face the other science guys. He doesknow evolution is true in most everyday contexts. It is only in Phoebe’s weird context that Ross does not know evolution is true.

    Where Flat Earthers Go Wrong

    Flat earthers are pulling the same trick. They’re right that you don’t knowthe earth is round. But they’re only right in a context where testimonies of hundreds are disregarded, where widely accepted facts among the scientific community don’t count, where photographic evidence is inadmissible, and so on.

    The flat earther’s argument is framed in a context where you can’t set aside the possibility that there’s a pervading global conspiracy – albeit one which somehow intermittently leaves glaring errors which give them away. In that context, you don’t know the earth is round. But in that context, nobody knows much at all and so this conclusion is simply unsurprising.
    In the more everyday contexts that we care about, we can rely on testimony. We can rely on the fact that every educated physicist, cartographer and geographer never pauses to think the earth might be flat. And we are correct to rely on these things. If it was incorrect, we’d never get treated at hospitals – for in a context where we can’t trust the established laws of physics, how could we trust the judgements of medical science?

    So do you know whether the earth is round? It turns out it depends on context. But in most regular contexts then, yes, you do. And that’s even though I doubt most people could prove it, right here and now.




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    Exclamation Re: John B. Wells' brilliant take on 'Flat Earthers' (PsyOp)

    When you zoom in long enough enough on a basketball every mm is like a flat existence for that square mm.

    I have an interesting question:

    If the size of the Globe (Earth Sphere) would be scaled down to a basketball ... how big would the ant be walking on that basketball (symbolizing Earth) in comparison? ... I think bigger than the Eiffel Tower!

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    Default Re: John B. Wells' brilliant take on 'Flat Earthers' (PsyOp)

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    When you zoom in long enough enough on a basketball every mm is like a flat existence for that square mm.

    I have an interesting question:

    If the size of the Globe (Earth Sphere) would be scaled down to a basketball ... how big would the ant be walking on that basketball (symbolizing Earth) in comparison? ... I think bigger than the Eiffel Tower!

    Study all my Facebook Posts using hashtag #FlatEarthPsyOp Posts Exposing all "Flat Earthers" memes!
    The world's smallest ant is called the Thief Ant, measuring between 1/20 and 1/32 of an inch long. That's between 1.25 and 0.75 millimeters. (Tiny!)

    Here it is:



    So to scale, if it's 1.25 to 0.75 mm long, it'll be about 0.4 mm high. That's just an approximation, of course.

    Meanwhile, a basketball is 24.26 cm in diameter. That represents the earth, the diameter of which is 12,756 km (at the equator).

    12,756 km is 1,275,600,000 centimeters. So the scale factor here for the basketball-sized model earth is 1,275,600,000 / 24.26 = 1:52,580,000. (approximately!)

    So scaled up to be on the real earth, our tiny ant (let's take the very tiniest version) would be 52,580,000x as long as 0.75 mm, and 52,580,000x as high as 0.4 mm.

    That's 39,435,000 mm long and 21,032,000 mm high.

    In kilometers, that's 39.4 km long, and 21 km high. (In American and English! 24.5 miles x 13 miles.)

    MUCH higher than the Eiffel Tower. And that's the absolute smallest ant there is. Regular ants would be 100 miles long.

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    When you zoom in long enough enough on a basketball every mm is like a flat existence for that square mm.

    I have an interesting question:

    If the size of the Globe (Earth Sphere) would be scaled down to a basketball ... how big would the ant be walking on that basketball (symbolizing Earth) in comparison? ... I think bigger than the Eiffel Tower!

    Study all my Facebook Posts using hashtag #FlatEarthPsyOp Posts Exposing all "Flat Earthers" memes!
    The world's smallest ant is called the Thief Ant, measuring between 1/20 and 1/32 of an inch long. That's between 1.25 and 0.75 millimeters. (Tiny!)

    Here it is:



    So to scale, if it's 1.25 to 0.75 mm long, it'll be about 0.4 mm high. That's just an approximation, of course.

    Meanwhile, a basketball is 24.26 cm in diameter. That represents the earth, the diameter of which is 12,756 km (at the equator).

    12,756 km is 1,275,600,000 centimeters. So the scale factor here for the basketball-sized model earth is 1,275,600,000 / 24.26 = 1:52,580,000. (approximately!)

    So scaled up to be on the real earth, our tiny ant (let's take the very tiniest version) would be 52,580,000x as long as 0.75 mm, and 52,580,000x as high as 0.4 mm.

    That's 39,435,000 mm long and 21,032,000 mm high.

    In kilometers, that's 39.4 km long, and 21 km high. (In American and English! 24.5 miles x 13 miles.)

    MUCH higher than the Eiffel Tower. And that's the absolute smallest ant there is. Regular ants would be 100 miles long.

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    Default Re: John B. Wells' brilliant take on 'Flat Earthers' (PsyOp)

    Long-range Shooting Disproves 'Flat Earth' Theory:

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    Default Re: John B. Wells' brilliant take on 'Flat Earthers' (PsyOp)

    Some enterprising private rocketeers have made some amazing videos of their launches. They made it over 160000 ft it appears.
    Hopefully it's not an old video. Of course the earthers won't be able to believe their own eyes.

    For all you flat earther retards. Watch this till the end.

    https://youtu.be/cA9HuaQTV_s

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