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    Hello, Folks: this is another conspiracy, a most interesting one that some you may not have heard about.

    Many, many, MANY researchers, historians, authors, actors and actresses profoundly suspect (and many of them are 100% certain) that William Shakespeare (the simple, everyman guy from Stratford-on-Avon) did not write the works famously attributed to him.

    Below is a hilarious 45 minute presentation of the problem — a one-man show, based on a book about all this written by Mark Twain. Twain is acerbic, witty, pointed, and as always, highly entertaining from start to finish. Recommended.

    Here are the facts, for anyone who may not be aware:
    • Shakespeare never traveled outside of England, and never learned any other language.
    • He had no university education, and may not even have attended school.
    • He may actually have been unable to read or write: his parents, wife, and children were all illiterate.
    • Not one letter from him has ever been found, and no trace remains of any of the original manuscripts.
    • In his will, he never mentions a single book or play, and appears never to have owned any books at all.
    • Stratford is not mentioned once in any of his works.
    • When he died, there was no celebration of the man at the time, at all.
    • The only thing in his writing is a handful of wobbly signatures, that mis-spell his own name, and it seems he actually may even have had trouble holding a pen.
    • Meanwhile, his plays and sonnets show a most extremely intelligent, literate, sophisticated, well-connected, well-traveled, and highly educated author, who had a massive vocabulary of 26,000 words (most people use 2,000, even today), understood Italian, French, Latin and Greek, history, medicine, law, falconry, the ways of the Royal high court, and who had clearly traveled in Italy and knew it well.
    Go figure.

    The most likely candidates for who really wrote the plays are (in order, maybe)
    1. Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford.
    2. Christopher Marlowe.
    3. Francis Bacon.
      (many others have been proposed, too, and every one of them is more likely to have written Shakespeare than Shakespeare. )
    Here’s the presentation of Mark Twain’s book. Hilarious, and again I really do recommend it. Enjoy.


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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    Michelangelo Florio Crollalanza is a good contender too...
    "La réalité est un ręve que l'on fait atterrir" San Antonio AKA F. Dard

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    My favourite choice has been, for some years, Edward de Vere. The researcher who put forward his name supported this choice with excellent logic. As Francis Bacon was supposedly QEI's son, probably by Drake rather than the Frenchman she was enamoured with and this I think because of his given name and that would make it the same as his father's. I will enjoy the video when I have walked the dogs.

    Another interesting fact about Sir Francis Bacon is that -- and I don't want to get into the "do I believe this?" question because I think it is possible based on what some say the Cabal do -- he is one of those people who never really dies but morphs into another well known character. It has been said that he became St. Germaine.

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    Note: for members interested in this (and it's very interesting!), there's already a partly overlapping thread, here... it might be worth merging them, and certainly reading this other one.

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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owCGyyfLKhY

    Anyone seen the film "Anonymous"?

    I love this film! It presents a plausible story as to who Shakespeare really was!

    Highly recommended if you like a good historical movie and you're interested in Shakespeare and the reign of Elizabeth I.

    Roland Emmerich, who directed this film, is a conspiracy theorist. His first blockbuster film was "Independence Day", which I imagine most will have seen.

    I love all of Emmerich's films, but the most riveting for me was/is "Anonymous" as it unravels layer after layer after layer of royal and aristocratic secrets, then finally arriving at a shocking conclusion.
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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    Excellent video! Thank you Bill.

    I've read or viewed a few things in the past regarding this subject, but I don't recall any being as funny and well done as this video. It made me want to learn some more about Dr. Keir Cutler.

    Here's another good video, "Shakespeare Crackpot," by Keir.
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    My best guess is that Shakespeare was in fact a pseudonym for Sir Francis Bacon´s Literary Workshop. He had a whole Group of Writers working for him!

    He had all the insights into english royality and was frequently in and around the High Society (Elites).
    Shakespeare is what the Goddess Athena does before entering Battle. She shakes her Spear. She is the Goddess of Wisdom and has a Cloaking Helmet : Can be Anomymous.

    Here he is at the Library of Congress (Washington DC):

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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    according to Dr. Joseph Farrell it was Edmund de Vere but I bet all three listed authors at least to a certain extent (if not more) contributed something;

    just like Scottish musicologist Robert Newman (both of his interviews "The Manufacture of Mozart" and "The Music Industry" are available on RedIceCreations.com) has come to the conclusion that almost everything attributed to Mozart (and many other composers as well) was not written by Mozart but by various other composers; the contributing of all of this music written to and by a 'childhood genious' (a lie), not to mention the financing of all the productions, was most probably invented by a money-hungry group who could make a sale either through financing of new productions or, later, through selling sheet music-

    as for Shakespeare: all options are open but we can be sure this dude didn't write one word of what has been attributed to him-

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    Have you read Bill Bryson's book, "Shakespeare"? There is precious little known about Shakespeare, & very little on record. . . even the spelling of his name changed each time he signed a document. . .as was the norm in those times. It's an amusing & easy read, with lots of detail about what we DON'T know about Shakespeare.

    PS What does it matter who penned the plays & sonnets we all know; the name of the author doesn't detract from the value of the work, does it? A rose by any other name. . .

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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    J. Thomas Looney, in his work Shakespeare Identified (1920), concludes that Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, was Shakespeare. A view adopted by many, including Sigmund Freud. I would make light of Looney's last name (as many have) and his connection to Freud, but my last name is also Looney.

    PS. I had not watched the video before I wrote this post. Outstanding work and excellent presentation by this gentleman.
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    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    Have you read Bill Bryson's book, "Shakespeare"? There is precious little known about Shakespeare, & very little on record. . . even the spelling of his name changed each time he signed a document. . .as was the norm in those times. It's an amusing & easy read, with lots of detail about what we DON'T know about Shakespeare.

    PS What does it matter who penned the plays & sonnets we all know; the name of the author doesn't detract from the value of the work, does it? A rose by any other name. . .
    No, I haven't read Bryson's book "Shakespeare" and I agree that the works stand on their own merit, but it does matter who actually penned the works, IMHO--unless, of course, we're ok with "fake history."
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    Hello, Folks: this is another conspiracy, a most interesting one that some you may not have heard about.

    Many, many, MANY researchers, historians, authors, actors and actresses profoundly suspect (and many of them are 100% certain) that William Shakespeare (the simple, everyman guy from Stratford-on-Avon) did not write the works famously attributed to him.

    Below is a hilarious 45 minute presentation of the problem — a one-man show, based on a book about all this written by Mark Twain. Twain is acerbic, witty, pointed, and as always, highly entertaining from start to finish. Recommended.
    Oh my word ! Thanks Bill for the excellent video I have had to do some digging around today simply because I couldn't quite believe what I was hearing in it !!! But yes, all the "evidence" (or utter absence of) does indeed suggest it is True

    To paraphrase Mark Twain : "Inferences built upon inferences giving the impression of something quite matter-of-fact" as Shakespeare's "Surmisers" would likely say eh ? LOL

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    Earlier this year was a six part comedy in the style of Black Adder about
    Shakespeare and was pretty good and does poke fun at how he wrote
    his plays or not.......


    A lovelorn loon - Upstart Crow: Episode 1 Preview - BBC Two




    Shakespeare has trouble working from home - Upstart Crow: Episode 2 Preview - BBC Two



    Upstart Crow stagione 1 episodio 2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyBvDZpmv4

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    QI | Who Wrote Shakespeare's Plays?



    Published on 29 Jun 2016
    June 29: On this day in 1613, the Globe Theatre burnt down.
    For more visit http://qi.com
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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    England had been in turmoil for centuries foreign wars , civil wars , strife,
    feudalism , disease/plague , religious exploitation , the reformation and
    two very bloody queens Mary Tudor and Elizabeth Tudor governing in a police
    state......Yet life went on leading to the great age of discovery , exploration
    unification of the British isles , constant wars (nothing new) Industrialisation
    revolution colonies won and lost culminating in the largest empire known to
    date , and still influencing world affairs.......

    Shakespeare could have been a myth , legend for fear, particularly in the theatre
    community who was vilified in Tudor and Stuart England who were paranoid of
    propaganda of all types against the power of the church and monarchy , at a time
    of great religious wars in Europe and Elizabeth's heir the Scottish king James and
    son of her great rival Mary queen of Scots was almost the victim of a catholic
    conspiracy in the gunpowder plot. An event celebrated every year with the burning
    of Guy fawkes effigy on a bonfire,all around the country and particularly celebrated
    here in Bridgwater with the Guy fawkes carnival one of the oldest and biggest in
    the world. Also inspiring the face of Anonymous from the movie 'V' for vendetta
    coming full circle about a future police state in the UK . This is quite appropriate
    today President Obama prosecuted more 'whistle blowers' than all his predecessors
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/...-combined.html
    So we are again living in a sort of police state as Snowden and many others have
    been pointing out....

    ( There is plenty I left out in this brief synopsis )

    http://www.bridgwatercarnival.org.uk/

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Michael Wood is a very good historian and documentary presenter....

    There was a interesting BBC series that speculates whether Shakespeare
    wrote his plays or not ? and takes you back to Elizabethan England..

    I would not write Shakespeare from history yet......A possible reason
    for the lack of documentation and different name spelling and variation
    is to do with the political and religious turmoil of the times....

    In Search of Shakespeare - A Time of Revolution (Documentary)



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    BBC Michael Wood In Search Of Shakespeare 2 of 4 The Lost Years 2005



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    BBC Michael Wood In Search Of Shakespeare 3 of 4 The Duty Of Poets 2005



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    In Search of Shakespeare 4of4....Not the best of copies I cannot find a better one...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ja5tXl10z8

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    In Search of Shakespeare Part 5 Bonus Episode




    William Shakespeare's Coat of Arms



    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....at_of_arms.htm


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    Shakespeare's Mother The Secret Life of a Tudor Woman BBC Documentary 2015



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    Shakespeare Powerpoint
    http://www.slideshare.net/ksundberg/...ntation-719857
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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    Yes, I understand your point re fake history, & agree. . . didn't think of it in that light before.

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    Default Re: Mark Twain's "Is Shakespeare Dead?" (Shakespeare did NOT write Shakespeare…)

    I'm definitely an "Anti-Stratfordian" (someone who doesn't believe Shakespeare wrote the poems and plays attributed to him). But I'm dismayed that Sir Francis Bacon and Edward De Vere get most of the attention while the person who I think the best candidate is mostly ignored, and that is Sir Henry Neville. There are many reasons to think Neville was the real author. I'll list some.

    - He was a distant relative of the actor William Shakespeare.

    - He was a relative of Sir Francis Bacon's by way of marriage.

    - His nickname was "Falstaff", who is a character in three different Shakespeare plays. Both Neville and the Falstaff character were heavyset men.

    - There were seven Shakespeare plays written about English kings named Henry, which is his name.
    Henry VI part 1, 2, & 3
    Henry IV parts 1 & 2
    Henry V
    Henry VIII

    - He traveled to Italy and Scotland and many other places where the Shakespeare plays were set. In 1578, as a student at Oxford, Neville set out on a tour of Europe which lasted three years, acquiring books for the university. This tour included many locations depicted in the Shakespeare plays, such as Denmark, Poland, Austria, Paris, Prague, Vienna, Padua, Venice, and Rome.

    - He was a diplomat to France who spent loads of time writing very eloquent letters in which he used cyphers of the kind you see in the dedication page of Shakespeare's Sonnets. He spent a lot of time as a diplomat waiting for foreign dignitaries to see him (sometimes months and years) so he had plenty of time to write.

    - A notebook of his was discovered in the Tower of London where he was once a prisoner because of his involvement in the Essex Rebellion. A rough draft of the first page of Henry V was included inside, as well as a page where he was practicing the signature of William Shakespeare over and over again.

    - There are two mentions in Shakespeare's plays of Machiavelli, whose works weren't translated into English for wide public audience at that time. There were translations that were published for a small private audience, and this translation was done by Henry Neville's father. Later, there was a publication of Machiavelli for a large public audience, and this was done by Henry Neville's son.

    - Most scholars agree that The Tempest was based on the "Strachey Letter" which described the real events of a group of sailors working for the Virginia Trading Company who got shipwrecked in the Bahamas. But to even have access to the letter, one would need to be on the board of the Virginia Trading Company, because it was proprietary information. Sir Henry Neville was on the board of the London branch of the Virginia Trading Company.


    There are more reasons, but I shall leave it at that. If you want to read more about him, I would suggest the book "The Truth Will Out: Unmasking The Real Shakespeare" by Brenda James and Joseph Rubenstein. They make many arguments for why Shakespeare could not possibly be the real author and why the other more talked about candidates are unsatisfactory. https://www.amazon.com/Truth-Will-Ou.../dp/0061146498
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    THANKS FOR THE LEAD .. DAUGHTER OF TIME .... HERE IS A LINK THE THE MOVIE

    "ANONYMOUS " 2011 VERY GOOD QUALITY

    http://vidzi.tv/ft6mjmgvfacc.html#close CLOSE THE ADVERTISING

    BY CLICKING ON THE X'S AND CLOSING THE WINDOWS THAT POP UP,

    SAYING : "FLASH PLAYER OUT OF DATE"
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    A curious note: In certain circles it's very well known that Shakespeare, Francis Bacon and Mark Twain, were all previous incarnations of Saint Germain.

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    Quote Anyone seen the film "Anonymous"?
    The link in your post is not working here.....

    Anonymous - Trailer



    Uploaded on 7 Apr 2011

    Release Date: 4 November 2011 (United States)
    Set in the political snake-pit of Elizabethan England, Anonymous speculates on an issue
    that has for centuries intrigued academics and brilliant minds ranging from Mark Twain
    and Charles Dickens to Henry James and Sigmund Freud, namely: who was the author
    of the plays credited to William Shakespeare? Experts have debated, books have been
    written, and scholars have devoted their lives to protecting or debunking theories
    surrounding the authorship of the most renowned works in English literature. Anonymous
    poses one possible answer, focusing on a time when cloak-and-dagger political intrigue,
    illicit romances in the Royal Court, and the schemes of greedy nobles hungry for the power
    of the throne were exposed in the most unlikely of places: the London stage.

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    I enjoyed the time team series and watched most episodes being a history buff,
    and they did one on Shakespeare's House the one below has been blocked...


    Time Team Special 48 (2012) - Searching for Skakespeare's house

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLwO...erjEzCUkuyvQde

    Time Team Specials
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    HERE IS ANOTHER LINK , UK HAS SOME OF THESE SITES BLOCKED .

    http://putlockers.ch/watch-anonymous...putlocker.html

    ANOTHER : http://watchmoviesonline.biz/watch-a...11-online.html

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