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    Have Liberals gone insane?

    When I think of UC Berkeley I think of Birkenstock's, hippies, skinny jeans and useless degrees. Not riots, fire bombs, assaults and vandalism..

    But I guess riots = protests now? And freedom of speech only counts if the person is saying what you agree with?


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    A protest at UC Berkeley over a scheduled appearance by right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos turned fiery and violent Wednesday night, prompting police to cancel the event and hustle the Breitbart News editor off campus.
    But even after the event’s cancellation, hundreds of protesters spilled off campus into the city streets, where the violence continued as they confronted drivers, engaged in fights, smashed storefront windows and set fires.
    Protesters decried President Trump’s policies as much as they did the visit by Yiannopoulos, a gay conservative who has been making the rounds at college campuses across the country with his “Dangerous Faggot” talks, specializing in remarks meant to insult, offend and disgust liberals who disagree with his ideas.


    The trouble began around 6 p.m., two hours before Yiannopoulos was to begin his speech inside the student union building on Sproul Plaza. Protesters outside the building began throwing fireworks and pulling down the metal barricades police set up to keep protesters from rushing inside. Windows were smashed and fires were set outside the building as masked protesters stormed it. Police quickly evacuated Yiannopoulos for his own safety.
    Berkeley police said five people were injured and some people, including a man who said he had hoped to see Yiannopoulos speak, were seen with their faces bloodied. There were no arrests.
    Police said protesters threw bricks and fireworks at police officers. University police locked down all buildings and told people inside them to shelter in place, and later fired pepper balls and paint balls into the crowd of protesters who defied orders to leave the area. Police called in support from nine of the 10 UC campuses and the Oakland Police Department and Alameda County sheriffs department.

    This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley,” Mike Wright of Berkeley College Republicans, the group that invited Yiannopoulos to the campus, said outside the student union building as smoke bombs went off around him.
    As he spoke, someone threw a glass bottle of red paint at him. The bottle shattered and splattered paint on his clothing. “It’s sad,” he said.
    On Berkeley’s city streets, protesters took their rage against construction sites and businesses, smashing windows at banks and stores. They also confronted motorists, and at one point a driver sped off with a protester on the car hood.
    University officials had earlier rejected requests to cancel Yiannopoulos’ appearance. In a letter to the campus community last week, Chancellor Nicholas Dirks said, “The U.S. Constitution prohibits UC Berkeley, as a public institution, from banning expression based on its content or viewpoints, even when those viewpoints are hateful or discriminatory.”

    Protesters argued that what Yiannopoulos specializes in is hate speech, and that it didn’t deserve to be protected.
    “It’s not a question of free speech,” a protester said via megaphone, riling up the hundreds of protesters. “It’s about real human beings.”
    Yiannopoulos’ appearances at some universities have resulted in violent confrontations between protesters and his supporters. Some private universities have barred him, and Twitter banned him in July for repeatedly breaking harassment and abuse policies.
    Berkeley College Republicans said all 500 tickets had been sold for Yiannopoulos’ scheduled appearance in Pauley Ballroom in the student union building. Yiannopoulos was expected to use the event to kick off a campaign against “sanctuary campuses” that have vowed to protect students in the country illegally as President Trump cracks down on illegal immigration.
    Campus police had been hoping to avoid a repeat of the chaos at UC Davis on Jan. 13, when protesters overwhelmed their barricades and shut down Yiannopoulos’ speech.
    In an interview with Fox News after Wednesday’s cancellation, the 32-year-old Yiannopoulos — a self-described “libertarian, gay, Trump-supporting provocateur” — said college campuses are places where “you should be able to engage with different ideas.”
    Those who attend his appearances, he said, include people who “don’t necessarily agree with me but just want to hear the other side. They were prevented from doing so this evening by violence from the left — the left that is terrified of anyone who they think might be persuasive or might be interesting or might take people with them.”
    But UC Berkeley sophomore Jonathan Gow, 19, rejected Yiannopoulos’ insistence that free speech took a hit.
    “The whole reason we’re here is for free speech,” Gow said. “Milo’s hate speech is not allowed here. When it’s hate speech, our free speech is to shut him down.”
    Three lines of zip-tied metal fencing separated the crowd of protesters from campus police officers who had secured the building where Yiannopoulos was supposed to speak. He had arrived earlier, escorted by security, and had been waiting inside the student union building when the protests erupted.
    The protest turned violent around 6 p.m. when dozens of masked anarchists, dressed in black and wearing backpacks, emerged from the otherwise peaceful crowd.
    As “Milo has got to go” chants broke out, they struck: in small groups, at first — knocking down the fences, cutting through the zip ties. Then they came in droves, as the dozens of university police officers in riot gear quickly retreated to an inner ring of fencing.
    Seizing the opportunity, the masked protesters ran toward the student center and breached the inner ring, picking up pieces of fencing and hurling them into the building’s windows. Glass shattered, but no one went inside, where Yiannopoulos was waiting for the event to begin.
    As some protesters yelled obscenities at police, others toppled a generator and light pole police had set up, spray-painting “Milo” with an X through it. Then they lit it on fire. From their backpacks, the protesters hurled dozens of fireworks.
    One of the black-dressed anarchists said he had been hit by nonlethal ammunition.
    “The cops shot me with pepper balls,” said the 26-year-old man, who called himself Zombie. “It hurt.”
    Carrying a thick black shield and wearing a milk-soaked kerchief over his face to protect against potential tear gas, Zombie said, “We’re anarchists.” Fellow protesters unfurled a banner reading, “This is war.”
    Police soon declared an unlawful assembly and ordered everyone to leave, but hundreds of protesters stayed, filling the entire upper and lower plaza. “Turn on the dance music,” one masked woman yelled.
    UC Berkeley junior Fatima Ibrahim, 20, who clutched a “resist fear” sign with a red fist, said the timing of Yiannopoulos’ scheduled appearance stung.
    “As a black Muslim woman, all three of those identities have been targeted throughout (Trump’s) campaign,” Ibrahim said. “To have someone like (Yiannopoulos) come into my campus and affirm those people’s beliefs, it’s very, very hurtful.”
    Hours after the event was canceled, the College Republicans issued a statement declaring the Free Speech Movement dead. “It is tragic that the birthplace of the Free Speech Movement is also its final resting place,” the statement said.
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    Default Re: The new extremists: US Liberals

    I did see this earlier and thought about posting it on Turiya's thread , but I think its
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    Riots sparked at UC Berkeley over alt-right speaker



    Published on 2 Feb 2017
    Todd Starnes weighs in

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    Milo: Left can't tolerate anyone who doesn't agree with them



    Published on 1 Feb 2017
    Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos on the cancellation of his speech at UC-Berkeley
    after riots broke out, saying the progressive left fears anyone with different political
    views and he's shocked at how oppressive higher education US campuses can be
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    This is where the "free speech" movement started back in the day... crazyness!


    Quote The University of California at Berkeley was in flames on Wednesday after violent leftist rioters shut down a shut down the finale of Milo Yiannopoulos’s college lecture tour. Innocent supporters of President Donald Trump were assaulted, property was destroyed and free speech disgraced on the infamous site of the 1960’s student Free Speech movement.


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    Hate speech is anything they don't agree with! Don't they realize they enjoy the very rights they want to deny the speaker?!
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    There are definitely some fanatics on both side of the coin. For every leftist radical demonstration of ideology, there can be instances of fanatics on the right/conservative side of the coin as well including abortion clinic bombings, fascist demonstrators such as the KKK etc. I never understood this need by so many to "stick with the party line". There has to be common sense in the middle when one steps back and considers all the facts. That's why I don't label myself anything but a moral, spiritual being that tries to have a good code of ethics to live by and hopefully inspire others to do the same.
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    wow! I don't know what to say except they are continuing to divide us. Why would Berkley have, Yiannopoulos, such a controversial man come and speak at this tense time is beyond me?! Who is stirring this political pot?!

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    Who is stirring this political pot?!
    "Berkeley College Republicans" paid for him to come speak; the college tried to block it by springing last min. "security funds requirement" of $6,500... that type of move normally kills the speaking engagement as students can't come up with money like that at the last min (apparently it's a common tactic).. an Anonymous donor put up the money and the riots began... when sneaky tactics don't work to keep opinions out, rioting does?


    PC culture is the antithesis of free speech. Milo is doing EXACTLY what's needed.

    I hope these asshats take a look back at what they did to their own campus and reflect a bit (not sure that they will, probably most are the typical self entitled/justified liberal minded college goer).

    The Irony of UC Berkely, the champion of free speech, holding a riot to stop a speaker is a bit much...

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    Who are funding these agitators ? It has the hall marks of a Soros Op......


    Berkeley Officials Cite 'Agitators' As Cause Of Milo Yiannopoulos Protest Violence | NBC News



    Published on 2 Feb 2017
    Several officials from UC Berkeley spoke after protests cancelled a
    campus event with controversial Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos

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    The Soros Watch



    Published on 1 Feb 2017

    Trump insider Roger Stone takes over the fourth hour of the Alex Jones show and
    takes a look at what George Soros is doing to try and stop Donald Trump.

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    NEW YORK TIMES....

    Billionaire George Soros has ties to more than 50 ‘partners’ of the Women’s March on Washington


    What is the link between one of Hillary Clinton’s largest donors and the Women’s March? Turns out, it’s quite significant


    http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninth...on-washington/

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    ZERO HEDGE.....

    Trump Threatens To Pull U.C. Berkeley Funds After Violent Protesters Cancel Yiannopoulos Speech

    by Tyler Durden

    Feb 2, 2017 6:53 AM


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-02/
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    Who is stirring this political pot?!
    "Berkeley College Republicans" paid for him to come speak; the college tried to block it by springing last min. "security funds requirement" of $6,500... that type of move normally kills the speaking engagement as students can't come up with money like that at the last min (apparently it's a common tactic).. an Anonymous donor put up the money and the riots began... when sneaky tactics don't work to keep opinions out, rioting does?



    PC culture is the antithesis of free speech. Milo is doing EXACTLY what's needed.

    I hope these asshats take a look back at what they did to their own campus and reflect a bit (not sure that they will, probably most are the typical self entitled/justified liberal minded college goer).

    The Irony of UC Berkely, the champion of free speech, holding a riot to stop a speaker is a bit much...

    TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around. Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?

    I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people should always have the right to protest. Milos has said and done some truly hateful things. I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

    Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.

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    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    wow! I don't know what to say except they are continuing to divide us. Why would Berkley have, Yiannopoulos, such a controversial man come and speak at this tense time is beyond me?! Who is stirring this political pot?!
    I'm all for free speech. He knew his speech would be controversial. So if others are offended and provoked, as he knew they would be by his insensitive and bigoted comments, where is the news in that? He actually seem to revel in delight at the agitation he caused. As if that was the sole intention of his speech.

    In light of recent developments in regards to Muslims and bans, demonstrations and activists should be expected.

    Noam Chomskey once said:
    "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

    I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

    Oh the company we keep....
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    Oh. Scary and hypocritical...
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    Quote I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people
    should always have the right to protest. Milos has said and done some
    truly hateful things. I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition
    to him speaking at an educational institution near me.
    Its not the protestors , who have the right to protest against anyone.

    Its the bussed in agitators that are causing most of the trouble , which
    needs funding this is not new but seems to being ramped up against
    Trump. Most of the people interviewed do not know Trumps policy
    agendas and have been caught up by the hype and headlines...

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    Soon, they'll come for us...so please do not be tolerant of violence and riots - they are not part of the freedom of speech

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    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around.
    Well in this case, it was a one sided issue & on most campuses there's a very vocal "liberal" lean that dominates (while the conservatives are a bit more... conservative).

    Previously "liberals" blamed the "right" for everything violent, and it seemed like it was true... now the complete opposite is happening, I guess it's just the way of nature to self correct (and in doing so, sometimes over correct).


    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?
    Racist, really?

    I honestly can't see how you'd say that unless you've been watching a bit too much TV. Watch some of his speeches, they are not racist at all, they are ANTI-racist, ANTI-PC & ANTI-free speech suppression. He calls out SJW's (social justice warriors), BLM (black lives matters), and Feminists (3rd wave) for their hypocrisy and points out how damaging it is to society.

    I've never seen / heard him be racist, even when the fake news claimed he was when he (very rightly) heavily criticized the "Ghost Busters" SJW reboot.

    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people should always have the right to protest.
    Absolutely, I just hope to god they are informed or they will look like complete idiots (this group does...But if it was purely bused in agitators, maybe that's the point?).

    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    Milos has said and done some truly hateful things.
    I'm begining to question wiether westerners actually understand what the word "HATE" means, it's a DARK, UGLY, CONSUMING, emotion.. it's EASY to spot and never questionable.....

    PLEASE show me the hateful things he's said (and explain why it matters if anyone says hateful things).

    He has not said hateful things, he's said powerfully truthful things that people cannot accept when it goes 180* against their strongly held belief.


    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

    Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.
    You know what I do when my horses are scared of something that can't actually hurt them?

    I expose them to it, over and over and over and over and over until they see the reality. It's typically done in a large round-pen, something about 60 feet in diameter so the horse can run, but never really get away from you.

    We call it roundpenning the horses.



    Milo is roundpenning the leftists.





    Quote Posted by abmqa (here)
    I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

    Oh the company we keep....
    Big bonus for Trump then, Milo is extremely intelligent, articulate and not at all what your bias view of him is.


    Truth is the first casualty in war... so of course those speaking it will be vilified, don't fall for the obvious bait.
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    When Will President Donald Trump Take Out George Soros?



    Published on 27 Jan 2017
    George Soros has been an enemy of freedom across the globe, this Nazi collaborator
    has caused the deaths of thousands through his destabilization campaigns. When will
    Donald Trump take him down?

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    'Stop Operation Soros' Movements to ban billionaire-funded groups sweep across Europe



    Published on 31 Jan 2017
    One of those who supported nationwide anti-Trump protests in the US is billionaire
    investor and philanthropist George Soros, who's well known for his charity
    organizations across the globe.

    Full interview...
    BREAKING : George Soros ARREST On The Table ? Hungarian Foreign Minister
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    Published on 30 Jan 2017

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    PRIME SUSPECT.........Soros loosing money on the markets he likes to rig...

    Soros Threatens Trump



    Published on 31 Jan 2017
    Again we see George Soros meddling in affairs of countries he publicly stated he
    would like to destroy. RFB

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    Whether you are pro or anti Trump , Soros backed Hillary and is not acting in
    US interests as far as I can see.....Totally open borders creates chaos , and
    money making opportunitie's for players like Soros.



    Bill OReilly Exposes George Soros Hillary Clinton Democrat Funding



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    They preach tolerance, and say they are tolerant of others. And then they beat you to a bloody pulp and destroy your university.




    Btw

    This is how Marxist globalists have ALWAYS taken over countries!!

    It goes back to the French Revolution and the Jacobins, before Marxism as an ideology was even fully fleshed-out.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around.
    Well in this case, it was a one sided issue & on most campuses there's a very vocal "liberal" lean that dominates (while the conservatives are a bit more... conservative).

    Previously "liberals" blamed the "right" for everything violent, and it seemed like it was true... now the complete opposite is happening, I guess it's just the way of nature to self correct (and in doing so, sometimes over correct).


    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?
    Racist, really?

    I honestly can't see how you'd say that unless you've been watching a bit too much TV. Watch some of his speeches, they are not racist at all, they are ANTI-racist, ANTI-PC & ANTI-free speech suppression. He calls out SJW's (social justice warriors), BLM (black lives matters), and Feminists (3rd wave) for their hypocrisy and points out how damaging it is to society.

    I've never seen / heard him be racist, even when the fake news claimed he was when he (very rightly) heavily criticized the "Ghost Busters" SJW reboot.

    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people should always have the right to protest.
    Absolutely, I just hope to god they are informed or they will look like complete idiots (this group does...But if it was purely bused in agitators, maybe that's the point?).

    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    Milos has said and done some truly hateful things.
    I'm begining to question wiether westerners actually understand what the word "HATE" means, it's a DARK, UGLY, CONSUMING, emotion.. it's EASY to spot and never questionable.....

    PLEASE show me the hateful things he's said (and explain why it matters if anyone says hateful things).

    He has not said hateful things, he's said powerfully truthful things that people cannot accept when it goes 180* against their strongly held belief.


    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

    Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.
    You know what I do when my horses are scared of something that can't actually hurt them?

    I expose them to it, over and over and over and over and over until they see the reality. It's typically done in a large round-pen, something about 60 feet in diameter so the horse can run, but never really get away from you.

    We call it roundpenning the horses.



    Milo is roundpenning the leftists.





    Quote Posted by abmqa (here)
    I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

    Oh the company we keep....
    Big bonus for Trump then, Milo is extremely intelligent, articulate and not at all what your bias view of him is.


    Truth is the first casualty in war... so of course those speaking it will be vilified, don't fall for the obvious bait.
    My bias view of him came from viewing his speeches, which in my opinion, are dripping with overt bigotry. If he truly believes all of the ideas that he spouts then he is indeed a bigot and perhaps a racist, but I respect his right to express his views. If he is a shill for the extreme right wing Breibart website, for that I will condemn him.

    While Trump pushes his anti-Muslim agenda, good old Milo riles up the left wing. Some are indeed fanatical as evidenced in the videos.

    How does this help the situation?...Well due to the riots and violence Trump can say I told you so....

    It's all so unnecessary

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around.


    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?
    Racist, really?

    I honestly can't see how you'd say that unless you've been watching a bit too much TV. Watch some of his speeches, they are not racist at all, they are ANTI-racist, ANTI-PC & ANTI-free speech suppression. He calls out SJW's (social justice warriors), BLM (black lives matters), and Feminists (3rd wave) for their hypocrisy and points out how damaging it is to society.

    I've never seen / heard him be racist, even when the fake news claimed he was when he (very rightly) heavily criticized the "Ghost Busters" SJW reboot.

    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    Milos has said and done some truly hateful things.
    I'm begining to question wiether westerners actually understand what the word "HATE" means, it's a DARK, UGLY, CONSUMING, emotion.. it's EASY to spot and never questionable.....

    PLEASE show me the hateful things he's said (and explain why it matters if anyone says hateful things).

    He has not said hateful things, he's said powerfully truthful things that people cannot accept when it goes 180* against their strongly held belief.


    Quote Posted by Bruno (here)
    I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

    Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.
    You know what I do when my horses are scared of something that can't actually hurt them?

    I expose them to it, over and over and over and over and over until they see the reality. It's typically done in a large round-pen, something about 60 feet in diameter so the horse can run, but never really get away from you.

    We call it roundpenning the horses.



    Milo is roundpenning the leftists.



    Quote Posted by abmqa (here)
    I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

    Oh the company we keep....
    Big bonus for Trump then, Milo is extremely intelligent, articulate and not at all what your bias view of him is.


    Truth is the first casualty in war... so of course those speaking it will be vilified, don't fall for the obvious bait.


    TargeT I like your roundpounding comparison. It really did give me pause. Perhaps I need some toughing up. I just have a hard time with people who I feel enjoy antagonizing a group or groups and then standing back and watching the chaos created with delight. Perhaps I fell for his bait once too many time. I could go off here about Gamergate but I won't bore everyone because the whole issue seems laughable given the current state of affairs.

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    This entire reality is all so unnecessary. Over night we could change it if we would only unite. But we can't unite because we don't know who's lying and who's telling the truth.

    We are shaved off the herd, in small groups. Some for climate change, some for Unicef, some for Hillary and some for Trump, some for Free Energy, some for conspiracy theories, some as whistle blowers, some as rich, some as poor, some as Christians, some as Muslims, and on and on. These are the polarizing issues that can only be solved if we are not immersed within them. Polarizing issues cannot be solved unless sides are not chosen and all agree. The one thing never before tried is ruling by consensus. That's unanimous consent. This is easily understood by a child, yet as adults we never practice or even consider it.

    If unanimous decision has to be reached before action of any kind is taken, it would not be long before we would learn how to think for not just ourselves but for the sake of all humanity and even the world. Only in the largest context can consensus be attained.

    Our overseers know that all to well...

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    TargeT I like your roundpounding comparison. It really did give me pause. Perhaps I need some toughing up. I just have a hard time with people who I feel enjoy antagonizing a group or groups and then standing back and watching the chaos created with delight.
    I think this is all done on purpose, or if it's not... it sure as hell seems like it is.

    Here's the basic formula (as I see it) for how these types of events go (only applies to very recent times.. this is a new model as far as i can tell):

    THE LEFT:
    Introduce into the echo chambers information via "trusted" channels that is MOSTLY true (or partly true) and sensational; but EASILY dis-proven.

    Tie that introduced "dialect" to emotion some how (refer to the "regressive agenda" to see what most of what the media puts out is based on / uses as emotional leverage).


    THE RIGHT:
    Cherry pick the above "Dialect" and focus on the points that are demonstrably false.

    Ignore all other points and cycle back to the above; see yourself as (finally) superior to the snooty liberals.


    It's ingenious really, for very litle effort we tear each other apart and further separate... I've heard of families that didn't have holiday gatherings last month due to this political mess!


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    Perhaps I fell for his bait once too many time. I could go off here about Gamergate but I won't bore everyone because the whole issue seems laughable given the current state of affairs.
    I'm a "gamer" (or perhaps, wannna-be gamer, not much time anymore) and I thought that whole thing had a few valid points, but the hysteria ruined what could have been a useful discussion (IMO).

    But yea, that kind of seems like a matter that could be dealt with "later" in with current events in mind.



    I understand your distaste for antagonists, I share that especially when it's done in a bullying / intimidating manner.


    I honestly do not feel that is the case with Milo, at least not until provoked (he's a public speaker, why do people think they can verbally spar with a public speaker? haha) His ideas are very counter-culture and brash, but my god the logic and rationality is outstanding (probably could tone down the dick references too, but freedom of speech and all that...).
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