Former Soros associate: Wilders and Le Pen elected, then chaos in the EU and global markets

[Chester]

Posted by Helene West (here)
It's hard to know where people like Sperandeo are really coming from when they make provocative statements as this.

Well, if what he says is old news (that he was tempted and instead that he actually went 100% in, long on gold) then he may just be trying to push up the price for a slow (stealthy) sell off and BIG profit, especially if he went long on futures oprions (giving him huge leverage).

Cha-ching?

[Helene West]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by Helene West (here)
It's hard to know where people like Sperandeo are really coming from when they make provocative statements as this.

Well, if what he says is old news (that he was tempted and instead that he actually went 100% in, long on gold) then he may just be trying to push up the price for a slow (stealthy) sell off and BIG profit, especially if he went long on futures oprions (giving him huge leverage).

Cha-ching?

yes, he's trying to give us (mis)directives but he's not going 100% gold, that's crazy....

[AutumnW]

Posted by Justplain (here)
Since when does the breakup of a plutocratic monopolistic semi-fascist trade organization result in a world wide depression? .

When it breaks down from a complete and total lack of confidence by those who have been forced to support it -- much like the Soviet Union under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. It is unlikely that it will be as bad as that, as Russia and its satellite states went from a Communist system to a quasi-Capitalist one and the EU will be going from what you describe to something the citizens recognize.

But Depression, of course. And a global one? Definitely.

[Justplain]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Justplain (here)
Since when does the breakup of a plutocratic monopolistic semi-fascist trade organization result in a world wide depression? .

When it breaks down from a complete and total lack of confidence by those who have been forced to support it -- much like the Soviet Union under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. It is unlikely that it will be as bad as that, as Russia and its satellite states went from a Communist system to a quasi-Capitalist one and the EU will be going from what you describe to something the citizens recognize.

But Depression, of course. And a global one? Definitely.

Hi AutumnW, i have a uncle who lives in the uk who says the eu is a quasi-idiotic rule making gong show. The eu rules restrict some very fundamental freedoms of choice, like whether you can grow apple trees. The eu trade commissioner is quoted as saying her mandate is not to serve the will of the people. She serves people like soros. When the eu is a truly democrati institution, then europe will benefit from it. Right now its killing the middle class and national cultures. Europe will be better off with reforming itself. And it wont result in a depression, it will result in european revival.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Might be a silly question...but who's Eric?

Viking

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I also think that western Europe is going to have a very tough time if/when Le Pen, Wilders and maybe even the AFD party in Germany gain power. Just Le Pen alone leading France out of the EU, the EU would probably collapse at that point as it would be an obviously German-dominated affair that even the German people are turning against.

If the EU fails politically, the EU as a currency will be in trouble too. And US banks are intricately tied into the financial corruption of European banks, so I think this is one of the biggest reasons Trump is trying to get so many jobs coming to the US as quickly as he possibly can, because he knows that he's running on borrowed time already.

The Trump Administration is already moving ahead quickly on getting Bitcoin out to be publicly traded, which will be interesting. Gold, silver or Bitcoin may become a safe haven asset to better retain the value of your cash if you have Euros.

[Eram]

The whole reason why the EU is going to fail and was always going to fail is because it is undemocratic.
It was a CIA invention and brought into existence because that way, EU was better controllable for the US and also of course the bigger picture of the plan for a one world government.

Everyone with half a brain in Europe has now seen that the EU is not functioning on behalf of it's population, but rather acting as a body to bring about legislation in favor of big corporations.

In many respects, the EU body is just as corrupt and under the influence of lobbyists as the US, or at least fast going there.
In my opinion, the EU has to go and make way for a new experiment.

A league of nations that focuses on friendship between nations.
No power what so ever to make legislation.
That power should stay with the respective sovereign nation states.
This is paramount for any chance of succes imo.

[Eram]

If reincarnation exists in function of an evolving soul and I think that evidence for that is overwhelming, then people should understand that not every person that is alive is on the same level of soul adulthood.
Looking at the world and all that goes on there, it's not hard to understand that most people alive today are not in the upper part of soul adulthood I think.

Just as a child needs a family with a mother, a father and perhaps brothers and sisters to feel safe and secure, to feel grounded and part of something "bigger" then just it's "individual self", so do people need to be part of a nation and it's culture to have those same feelings of security and being part of something "bigger".
There's nothing scary about that.
It only becomes a problem when it grows out of control to the levels that we witnessed with Hitler and Mussolini for instance.

Imo, we have seen the rise of globalism for at least 50 years or more and I think that the growing nationalism all over the world is a "peoples" reaction to it and rightfully so.

The Elites idea to kill sovereign nation states in order to have their one world government was a very bad idea and a good example of their ignorance.

[uzn]

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[Ewan]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by ghostrider (here)
So many are so angry ,

Seemingly, (in the US anyway) only about half though.

I hate to get all "left / right"

But... doesn't it seem like only the "leftist" are angry for the most part?

it's like a complete role reversal.. the "right" is the peaceful calm ones this time, the right is (as always) supporting the status quo; but this time they are the less extreme (no abortion clinic bombings, no evangelic riots...)

And in Europe it's the "leftists" (socialists / Marxists) who are having a fit "GLOBALISM IS ENDING >>CHAOS WILL ENSURE<<" ....

I hope this panic is a good sign for "us" others.

It can't be that simplistic though, perhaps the left/right divide was always a false dichotomy. I would fall on the left of any spectrum divide and I'm not angry, quite sure I am not unique in that.

Perhaps a snowflake/glacier comparison? :D

[norman]

I'm a little bit surprised by how disconnected the lefties seem to be, and how many of them there are.

Am I to assume that none of them have ever even flirted with "new-age" or otherwise bumped into truth seeking communities and got at least SOME mileage on their clocks.

I hated it when the Alex Jones crew were taking the piss calling them all babies etc. I have to say though, either they are faking it or they really are astonishingly naive and somehow haven't done much if any real life learning.

What kinds of lifestyles can continue for 25 to 35 years without even a hint of dot joining from within ? Oh, wait, I was pretty stupid as a youngster too, and I went to at least a half decent school where we were taught stuff.

I must be SO out of touch with what's actually going on in education these days. The product coming out of it, is baffling me silly.

[Flash]

Critical thinking (meaning being able to analyse, compare, use logic, and decide, etc. not meaning to be able to criticize unless it is logical) is not being neither taught, nor used in actual school year, at any level of schooling (from primary school to universities). What is being taught is a bunch of pushed in information, that can be gathered nowadays on the internet, pushing a bunch of information without the analysis and critical thinking skills to be able to make connections and truly understand the whole picture of anything. And in the state of Florida for example, history and geography (the biased ones, let alone the true history) have been taken off the compulsory courses - therefore young people growing not able to make any kind of links and real sense of the world.

Critical thinking was taught right after my own schooling and before my daughter's schooling (very few years). With all the data available on the net, what is truly needed is critical thinking - but it will not be taught, because it creates thinking and good decision making.

EU countries are not there yet as we are in North America, but getting near.

Posted by norman (here)
I'm a little bit surprised by how disconnected the lefties seem to be, and how many of them there are.

Am I to assume that none of them have ever even flirted with "new-age" or otherwise bumped into truth seeking communities and got at least SOME mileage on their clocks.

I hated it when the Alex Jones crew were taking the piss calling them all babies etc. I have to say though, either they are faking it or they really are astonishingly naive and somehow haven't done much if any real life learning.

What kinds of lifestyles can continue for 25 to 35 years without even a hint of dot joining from within ? Oh, wait, I was pretty stupid as a youngster too, and I went to at least a half decent school where we were taught stuff.

I must be SO out of touch with what's actually going on in education these days. The product coming out of it, is baffling me silly.

[TargeT]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
But... doesn't it seem like only the "leftist" are angry for the most part?

It can't be that simplistic though, perhaps the left/right divide was always a false dichotomy. I would fall on the left of any spectrum divide and I'm not angry, quite sure I am not unique in that.

Perhaps a snowflake/glacier comparison? :D

I could have worded it better with more emphasis on "seem" (as in the general perception is).. I do not think it's true that "all liberals have gone crazy", more that the perception is being put out there hinting at that, I do think you can get a general idea of people's feelings on a certain topic based on the R/D divide, probably a lot of other useful information too, but that's not my area.

Posted by norman (here)
I'm a little bit surprised by how disconnected the lefties seem to be, and how many of them there are.
I hated it when the Alex Jones crew were taking the piss calling them all babies etc. I have to say though, either they are faking it or they really are astonishingly naive and somehow haven't done much if any real life learning.
What kinds of lifestyles can continue for 25 to 35 years without even a hint of dot joining from within ? Oh, wait, I was pretty stupid as a youngster too, and I went to at least a half decent school where we were taught stuff.
I must be SO out of touch with what's actually going on in education these days. The product coming out of it, is baffling me silly.

Great example of what I'm trying to speak to....

the role reversal is amazing.


Leftists went from the "academia/intellectuals" in "public perception" to the out of control emotional basket-cases that we are being "shown" on MSM.

[BMJ]

Posted by Eram (here)
Imo, we have seen the rise of globalism for at least 50 years or more and I think that the growing nationalism all over the world is a "peoples" reaction to it and rightfully so.

Agreed. Beyond this, we have for years given our trust and faith to our governments, they have in turn abused this relationship.

The game changer is the fact that the people are awakening to this fact and are now taking back reponsibility for their lives and holding their governments accountable for their actions.

(And is this not in part what us as truth seekers have been aiming for, that is truth and accountability to the people for their actions).

BACK TO TOPIC.

[Hervé]

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[Hervé]

If these two get elected, there'll also be a change of views and actions regarding economic sanctions against Russia:

Lavrov reveals why Russia imposed an embargo on the EU: It's 'one simple thing'

Sputnik Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:14 UTC

© Sputnik/ Vladimir Sergeev

Russia's Foreign Minister revealed the one and only reason why Moscow had to retaliate in response to the European Union's economic restrictions.

Russian countermeasures were a reciprocal and honest response to the EU sanctions, because unfair competition from EU producers was unacceptable in light of the sanctions Brussels introduced, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

"We imposed sanctions as a countermeasure over one simple thing. The European sanctions limit the ability of our banks to get loans to finance agriculture, which would mean agricultural producers from the European Union would have had an advantage and maintained an unfairly competitive position in the Russian market," Lavrov told the Austrian magazine Profil in an interview.

When asked under what conditions would Russia cancel its restrictive measures, the minister said that the question was not for him to answer.

"We did not initiate the sanctions, so it is not for us to lift them," Lavrov noted.

Since 2014, relations between Russia and the European Union and the United States have deteriorated amid the crisis in Ukraine. Brussels, Washington and their allies introduced several rounds of sanctions against Russia on the pretext of its alleged involvement in the Ukrainian conflict, which Moscow has repeatedly denied. In response to the restrictive measures, Russia imposed a food embargo on some products originating in countries that have targeted it with sanctions.

[Hervé]

Ditch the euro, vote Frexit: Le Pen's National Front manifesto

RT Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:47 UTC

© Emmanuel Foudrot / Reuters

Abandoning the euro and a possible vote on exiting the EU are part of a newly-released manifesto by France's presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen. Drastically curbing migration and leaving NATO's integrated command are also among the proposals.

France should reconsider its relations with the European Union and give up the single currency, Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front, said in her recently released manifesto. If that doesn't happen, France may face a referendum on leaving the alliance.

"The aim of this program is first of all to give France its freedom back and give the people a voice," Le Pen said, introducing the manifesto on Saturday in Lyon, Reuters reported.

In the manifesto, which consists of 144 "commitments," the 48-year-old candidate says a future French government should leave the euro zone, hold a Brexit-style referendum, levy taxes on foreign workers, lower the retirement age and increase some welfare benefits, while cutting income tax. The document, however, is quite vague on how the National Front's economic program would allow it to reduce taxes and at the same time raise welfare payments.

The National Front leader also promised extra public spending to build new prisons for 40,000 more inmates and hire an additional 15,000 police officers.

France should be automatically deporting foreigners convicted of a crime, according to Le Pen's manifesto. People tracked by intelligence services for possible inclination toward radical Islam would be immediately ordered to leave. Mosques suspected of teaching radical jihadist ideas would be closed as well.

Le Pen also stands for withdrawing from the NATO Integrated Military Command Structures and allocating more funding to defense.

Under her manifesto, free education, now available to all residents of France, may only be accessible by French citizens in future.

Undocumented migrants will no longer have a chance to legalize their stay and would be stripped of free basic healthcare. Children of immigrants born in France won't be given French citizenship, as they are now by default. In general, France's migrant quota could go down to 10,000 people per year, Le Pen said.

"This presidential election puts two opposite proposals. The 'globalist' choice backed by all my opponents ... and the 'patriotic' choice which I personify," Le Pen said in the manifesto.

If the presidential elections resulted in a win for Marine Le Pen, the daughter of National Front founder and Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen, she says she plans to push for a review of relations between EU states, aiming at very loose cooperation with no single currency. In case other members of the EU don't agree with Le Pen's plan, she said she would then initiate a referendum to leave the union.

Opinion polls, cited by Reuters, predict that Le Pen would go forward to the second round of election on April 23, but would fail to secure the victory on May 7, possibly paving the way for pro-European centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron to take the presidency.

However, with the unexpected win of Donald Trump in the US, Britain's decision to leave the EU and corruption speculation surrounding conservative French presidential candidate Francois Fillon all happening amid the overall rise of populism across Europe, the National Front believes in Le Pen's success.

"We were told Donald Trump would never win in the United States against the media, against the establishment, but he won... We were told Marine Le Pen would not win the presidential election, but on May 7 she will win," top National Front official Jean-Lin Lacapelle said, addressing party officials and members.

Macron, a former economics minister who distanced himself from the Socialist Party and is now running as an independent with his own En Marche party, held a rival rally in Lyon that attracted nearly 16,000 of his supporters, AP reported.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Justplain (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Justplain (here)
Since when does the breakup of a plutocratic monopolistic semi-fascist trade organization result in a world wide depression? .

When it breaks down from a complete and total lack of confidence by those who have been forced to support it -- much like the Soviet Union under Gorbachev and Yeltsin. It is unlikely that it will be as bad as that, as Russia and its satellite states went from a Communist system to a quasi-Capitalist one and the EU will be going from what you describe to something the citizens recognize.

But Depression, of course. And a global one? Definitely.

Hi AutumnW, i have a uncle who lives in the uk who says the eu is a quasi-idiotic rule making gong show. The eu rules restrict some very fundamental freedoms of choice, like whether you can grow apple trees. The eu trade commissioner is quoted as saying her mandate is not to serve the will of the people. She serves people like soros. When the eu is a truly democrati institution, then europe will benefit from it. Right now its killing the middle class and national cultures. Europe will be better off with reforming itself. And it wont result in a depression, it will result in european revival.

I am very anti EU as I was antiCommunist. I am just pointing out that extreme change can cause huge dislocations and chaos and...depression. If the new truly sovereign nations work very quickly and in a united way (without the idiot EU) to hammer out realistic trade agreements, it shouldn't be quite as disastrous, in the short term. In the long term, it will work out better for everybody.

Thanks so much for your response. I LOVE first hand accounts of how oppressive the EU is!

[AutumnW]

Posted by norman (here)
I'm a little bit surprised by how disconnected the lefties seem to be, and how many of them there are.

Am I to assume that none of them have ever even flirted with "new-age" or otherwise bumped into truth seeking communities and got at least SOME mileage on their clocks.

I hated it when the Alex Jones crew were taking the piss calling them all babies etc. I have to say though, either they are faking it or they really are astonishingly naive and somehow haven't done much if any real life learning.

What kinds of lifestyles can continue for 25 to 35 years without even a hint of dot joining from within ? Oh, wait, I was pretty stupid as a youngster too, and I went to at least a half decent school where we were taught stuff.

I must be SO out of touch with what's actually going on in education these days. The product coming out of it, is baffling me silly.

It's an interesting demographic thing. I am left leaning, sort of, but also jad my own small businesses years ago and have some basic understanding of how money works, so totally get the 'right' wing and how annoying too much govt control can be and how centralization of services can work out to be pretty oppressive.

What I notice is, people who are on the left are often employees and even more often govt. employees, academics and professionals. They hang out with their own kind and don't get all the issues with Obamacare, etc...that small business owners face. So there is a rural/urban divide, a right/left divide and also a small business sole proprietorship/govt employee divide, too.

It is very important that those on the 'right' understand this and even MORE important for those who have never struggled to create their own business, to understand the other sides!

[Hervé]

And, now, for a real, new "Marianne," Marine Le Pen's niece:

National Front is only force standing for Europe of sovereign states – Marion Marechal-Le Pen to RT

Published time: 5 Feb, 2017 17:43
Edited time: 5 Feb, 2017 17:57
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Marion Maréchal-Le Pen © Jean-Paul Pelissier / Reuters

France's right-wing National Front party, the leader of which, Marine Le Pen, is running for the presidency this year, is "the only force" that can get France out of the EU and help protect it from radical Islam, politician Marion Maréchal-Le Pen told RT.

"Currently, we are the only political force in France that promotes a sovereign project, based on [the idea] of Europe made up of national sovereign states," the National Front (FN) member said.

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen added that "there are no other candidates" supporting the same ideas as her aunt's party, who can boast "a potential possibility to take part in at least the first round" of the French presidential elections.

Another French presidential hopeful, Emmanuel Macron, a former economy minister under president Francois Hollande, who has recently lashed out at the EU project at a rally, "has not changed his views" as a europhile, the granddaughter of FN's founder Jean-Marie Le Pen said.

"Emmanuel Macron has no wish at all to question the core idea of European federalism, the idea of European government, the euroze and the Schengen zone," Marion Maréchal-Le Pen told RT in Lyon where Marine Le Pen launched her presidential campaign on Sunday.

While Marine Le Pen has already released a manifesto that highlights abandoning the euro and a possible vote on exiting the EU among some of the key proposals, Macron is in no rush to present his official manifesto, the FN politician said.

"It's a great talent of Emmanuel Macron to create an imitation of a program, which is in fact based on total emptiness. His program is a real marketing product, said to be something new, but in fact he's been doing the same thing since he was a minister in the Manuel Valls government. I honestly think he will not succeed in converting his purely marketing product into electoral votes," Marion Maréchal-Le Pen said.

There is little known about Macron's program, she added, saying that among a few things that can be understood so far are his favor for "total liberalization of the economy" and support for gay marriage and other LGBT rights.

"I also think that he stands for protecting immigration, and thus is against expectations of the majority of the French people," Marion Maréchal-Le Pen said.

Marion Maréchal-Le Pen

Meanwhile, "drastically limiting immigration" is among the main points of Marine Le Pen's program, the politician said.

"We want to get out of Schengen, regain control of our borders and know who goes in and out" of the country, she told RT, adding that her party "also wishes to have an extremely tough policy" on Islamists.

There are plenty of projects in France financed by the Qataris and the Saudis, she said, adding that the FN party seeks to close down "all organizations that are in touch with radical Islam." The party also "wants to deport the radical imams," she said.

Speaking at a thousands-strong campaign launch rally on Sunday, Marine Le Pen announced that she alone - if elected president in May - could protect the French people against Islamic fundamentalism. The promise was greeted with the crowds chanting, "This is our country," Reuters reported.

National Front policy proposals have been used by other French political parties, both left and right, the party general secretary and MEP Nicolas Bay told RT. Yet, he added, if they succeed in getting into power, "like Nicolas Sarcozy in 2007... [the other politicians] do exactly the opposite" to what they've promised.

"I think the totally disoriented right and left use our ideas in every campaign, to have a chance to be elected. But the French people know that those [politicians] have done nothing," Bay said.

Marine Le Pen is expected to become the frontrunner in the first round of the elections in late April, according to a recent poll by international Ifop research firm cited by RIA Novosti. Yet, the poll has shown that the National Front leader might lose in the second round in May to Macron. Ratings of another candidate, France's former prime minister, Republican Francois Fillon have dropped following a scandal involving corruption allegations against his family members, the poll showed.


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