Swedes brought Templars to MN to hide ancient treasures in 1342...

[MariaDine]

A Christopher Blonde (Columbus ) born in Hyen, west of Norway, that previously, in 1477, from Grenland would have made a pre descovery. The violent situation that existed between Sueden and Norway, would have made him run away and establish himself in Génova , Italy. That's the thesis formulated in 1991, by the norwegian Tor Borch Sannes, but he doesn.t give any proof.

[TWINCANS]

Fascinating. I've not heard about that one. Certainly his rise to prominence makes no sense logically. There must be a story and a few writers have put forward theirs. The most interesting idea I read, and this is only from memory so I'm a bit vague, was that he set sail with a no priest (very odd!) and 2 ships full of the Knights Templars' Jewish bankers that needed to leave quickly. Didn't he leave the day after the order was disbanded or arrests were made or something? Anyways apparanetly later the Spanish in the carribean kept asking why more Jewish bankers kept arriving when they needed settlers and workers.

[MariaDine]

April 29,1492, the day Columbus received authorization to equip his fleet, was also the day the Edict of Expulsion was publicly announced in several of the larger Spanish cities .The scheduled date of sailing, August 2, was also the deadline for Jewish departure. Scores of vessels, with thousands of Jews packed into their holds, congested Palos de la Frontera, the maritime inlet of the Gulf of Cadiz. Well, ...there are no coicidences...LOL

Ps. There were no official Templars in Spain. They went to the Order of Calatrava. And also to the Hospitallers (also known as Knights of St John of Jerusalem or Chevaliers of Malta).

[MariaDine]

http://www.offthemarkcartoons.com/ca...1999-10-11.gif


LOL

[Rocky_Shorz]

The rise and fall of the Templar Order constitutes a fundamental and decisive episode in medieval history, and the destruction of the Order constitutes a pivotal point that fundamentally altered the direction of society. While much is known about the history of the Templar Order in France, home of its chief commandery in Paris, and in the Latin States of the Middle East, their contribution to events on the Iberian peninsula has until now remained obscure and unexplored.

Renowned Templar scholar Juan García Atienza reveals here the important role the Templars played in the Reconquista that saw the Moors driven out of Spain and demonstrates the great influence they exerted in the kingdoms of Castille and Navarre and the territories of Catalonia and Aragon. He examines the mysterious connections between the Templars and the Cathars and troubadours as well as the mystery surrounding the location of all the Templar enclaves in the Iberian peninsula. He also unveils the important role the Templars had as teachers of the Spanish king James I, known as the Conqueror, whose attempt to establish a universal theocratic empire may have been a reflection of Templar ambitions, and explores the Order’s suppression in Spain and how it survived in Portugal by simply changing its name... link to book

thanks to taking a close look at the Iberians and the buildings they created in Spain, they were there...

[Gustav]

Posted by MariaDine (here)

Posted by Pagan (here)

Have a look at any pic of Columbus's ships.
What is that on the sails? Why is that? Who gave him the maps to the Americas?
Oh and why do you guys assume the grail is a physical object?

Columbus got the maps of americas from the Queen of norway. Vikings travelled the shores long time before.

WOW !!!....I want to see That map. Where is it ?

From what I know, Templars were in Portugal since the begining. The kings of Portugal were all Templars. Astronomy and cartography were protected activities . They were linked to the royal family members, usually the second sons studied and searched for maps. For example, at that time XIV century, the brother of the King D. Duarte, the Duc D. Pedro traveled around Europe and even further, to get maps for the Royal House.

Ps. In Portugal we know the secret of the grail, but nobody pays attention....LOL...everybody is to busy making up stories...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ySY-oRL1IQ

Fátima - Santuary of Maria.
In the place where the water is , there is a light energy tunnel that goes up into the sky.
Namasté

Do you mean the charters from the Turkish admiral Piri Reis? The site also offers some insight although it is purely aimed at debunking anytime. For example the mention of piri reis himself that he had copied those maps from much older ones.

[MariaDine]

The map descriptions of Piri Reis indicate that some of his source maps date from the time of Alexandre, the Great (332 a.C.). Piri Reis , himself left a register in the map saying thtat he made it based on a collection of old maps and that he suplemented it with maps made by Colombo.

[MariaDine]

A treat !
People get stuck in Piri Reis and forget Oronteus Finaeus - 1532

http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistor...eusfinaeus.htm

[Gustav]

Nice one MariaDine, but even Oronteus Finaeus is not the only one not to be forgotten. There are numerous cartographers that drew continent quite accurately that were not (fully) discovered yet. I'll try and find it again on the internet, but I have seen also chinese maps (from my memory around 1400/1500 also) on which the whole world is depicted including the edge of antarctica or the whole of antarctica. Although they could have been influenced by early middle-eastern travelers or just had the knowledge still lying around.

But in general, if you pay attention than it is obvious neither colombo nor the sultan that took off a few years before him were sailing in the blind. Rather well documented: http://www.jannah.org/articles/precolumbus.html or accounts of the discovery of america before columbus. Also provided good stories: http://jempolan07.multiply.com/journal/item/101

Considering these stories of vikings, muslims, cymri, roman, egyptian, phoenician and chinese discoveries of the americas I certainly believe that it is very possible that templars moved precious cargo out of the reach of false replacements of god (read the pope and the church) and power (read the french ruling monarchistic family at that time)

[Pagan]

I'll recommend this book for you to read: http://openlibrary.org/books/OL14493...efore_Columbus very interesting, indeed.

Also, Visit my Bock Saga thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-The-Bock-Saga

[Cartomancer]

I have discovered some amazing things with regard to the Kensington and Verendrye Runestones. Both the location of the discovery of the Kensington and Verendrye stones have a unique relationship with the Inernational Peace Garden on the border of the US and Canada. All of this links in and fits perfectly with the theories of both Louis Buff Parry and Scott Wolter. The International Peace Garden may be the site of an Axis Mundi left by the same Swedish Templars who left the Kensington Rune Stone. This Axis pointed the way to both stones. There is evidence that the Verendrye party had knowledge of the Axis and used it to find the Verendrye Runestone. The fact that the Newport Tower also points to the Kensington runestone supports my theory. It would take a book here to fully explain but watch this video for a more in depth analysis.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E4FkqXg-gQ

[Rocky_Shorz]

thanks for sharing that, another important piece of the puzzle...

[Cartomancer]

Since my last post I have found out so much more. I believe I have a strong probability of being correct here. Check this movie out that i made. It explains why the Georgia Guidestones were placed where they are and many other mysteries as well. This goes way beyond what I found in the last video. I also have a full article at survivalcell.blogspot.com Here's the new movie:

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER9g_L9EQRc

[Rocky_Shorz]

Bumped for Reference of the Vatican Secret Archives

[Rocky_Shorz]

Whatever became of the Norse settlements in Greenland that disappeared in the 15th century? Zoë Robert caught up with archaeologist Orri Vésteinsson as he was preparing to lead an excavation in Greenland to unearth the truth...



The Vikings settled in Iceland in 874 but it wasn’t long before they set off to explore new lands. Around the year 985, just over a century after arriving in Iceland, Icelanders migrated to Greenland where they established two colonies (known as the Eastern and Western Settlements) on the uninhabited southern-most tip of the island. They were led by Erik the Red, who had been exiled from both Norway and Iceland for murder. The Eastern Settlement, at Garðar, was situated at the head of the long and deep Igaliku fjord and lies within what is today the village of Igaliku, population 55. The site was perfectly located near a natural harbor and, according to archaeologists, was well suited to grazing and fodder production, unlike much of Greenland where arable land is sparse.

Leif Erikson, who is credited with discovering North America, was the son of Erik the Red, and according to the Sagas, he set out to convert Greenland to Christianity, despite his father’s opposition. Garðar became the religious heart of Norse Greenland during the Middle Ages, with the establishment of a bishopric in the 12th century. The remains of a church and other buildings dating back to those times have been discovered in the area, and a number of archaeological excavations have been carried out at the Viking age site.

The colony, described in the Saga of the Greenlanders as a thriving settlement, seems to have existed until the mid-15th century, but archaeologists have been struggling to find out exactly what happened to the 2,000 to 5,000 individuals that made up the settlement...

link to story...

this looks like an interesting one to watch... from Greenland to Canada and Minnesota with the Templars...

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I wonder if he would be a good one to pass the info on location of the sunken Viking ships in Minnesota...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I guess someone else noticed the stones below my Grandpa's cabin...

He dated the Greenlanders' fall away from Christianity to 1342, and claimed that they had turned instead to America. Supporters of a 14th century origin for the Kensington runestone argue that Knutson may therefore have travelled beyond Greenland to North America, in search of renegade Greenlanders, most of his expedition being killed in Minnesota and leaving just the eight voyagers to return to Norway.[24]
However, there is no evidence that the Knutson expedition ever set sail (the government of Norway went through considerable turmoil in 1355) and the information from Cnoyen as relayed by Mercator states specifically that the eight men who came to Norway in 1364 were not survivors of a recent expedition, but descended from the colonists who had settled the distant lands, generations earlier.[22] Also, those early 19th century books, which aroused a great deal of interest among Scandinavian Americans would have been available to a late 19th century hoaxer.
Hjalmar Holand had proposed that interbreeding with Norse survivors might explain the "blond" Indians among the Mandan on the Upper Missouri River,[25] but in a multidisciplinary study of the stone, anthropologist Alice Beck Kehoe dismissed, as "tangential" to the Runestone issue, this and other historical references suggesting pre-Columbian contacts with 'outsiders', such as the Hochunk (Winnebago) story about an ancestral hero "Red Horn" and his encounter with "red-haired giants".[26]
[edit]Geography


The situation of Kensington
A natural north-south navigation route—admittedly with a number of portages round dangerous rapids—extends from Hudson Bay up Nelson River (or the Hayes River, as preferred by early modern traders from York Factory[27][28]) through Lake Winnipeg, then up the Red River of the North. The northern waterway begins at Traverse Gap, on the other side of which is the source of the Minnesota River, flowing to join the great Mississippi River at Minneapolis. One of the early Runestone debunkers, George Flom, found that explorers and traders had come from Hudson Bay to Minnesota by this route decades before the area was officially settled.[29] Supporters of the stone's authenticity argued that the 1362 party could have used the same waterway.[30] This idea is based on Scandinavian voyagers sailing the rivers from the Baltic sea down to Istanbul during the Viking age, but this ignores that different ship types were used to cross oceans and to sail on rivers. The boats that are small enough for portage are not suitable for open sea voyages.[31]
[edit]Other artifacts?
This waterway also contains alleged signs of Viking presence. At Cormorant Lake in Becker County, Minnesota, there are three boulders with triangular holes which are claimed to be similar to those used for mooring boats along the coast of Norway during the 14th century. Holand found other triangular holes in rocks near where the stone was found; however, experimental archaeology later suggested that holes dug in stone with chisels rather than drills tend to have a triangular cross-section, whatever their purpose.[32] A little further north, by the Red River itself, at Climax, Minnesota, a firesteel found in 1871, buried quite deep in soft ground, matched specimens of medieval Norse firesteels at the Oslo University museum in Norway.[33] link

using fish finders, we crossed over the shapes of big ships sunken in the silt...

now Wiki talks of an expert debunker in Viking ancient language, but she wasn't a Templar...

8 survived the trip and returned to Norway...

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm pretty sure there is treasure buried underneath the spot where I want my garden.

But seriously, this is a fun story to read (especially as I am in Minnesota.)

Dennis

[Rocky_Shorz]

they said the Colony was a day's travel from where they buried the stone...

I saw an old well next to a cabin out snowmobiling one day and didn't recognize it at the time, but it had the Templar Cross made from Rock on the side of the well...

they have been digging a well on an Island Templars and Vikings stayed at for a while, maybe it is hidden in a Well...

this farm house had 3 level basement dug down into the ground... water table in the area is 12 feet, stone walls, with no leaks...


we might never know...

[Rocky_Shorz]

this video is a great addition to the story...