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    Quote Have a look at any pic of Columbus's ships.
    What is that on the sails? Why is that? Who gave him the maps to the Americas?
    Oh and why do you guys assume the grail is a physical object?
    Columbus got the maps of americas from the Queen of norway. Vikings travelled the shores long time before.

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    The things about the 'Vikings' is that the word itself is somewhat misleading. The Scandinavian society was far flung, from Norway , Sweden, Gotland etc. to Iceland, to Scotland to Normandy. The Sinclairs themselves were 'Vikings' in their case they were Danes. Their name used to be More or Moore until they changed it to the name of the river in Normandy they had conquered.
    To go 'a viking' was to go on a raiding adventure (the word was a verb) usually lasting an entire summer sailing season. The 'boys' used to go 'a viking' if they needed to cheer up from fighting with their wife all winter in the sod hut, or to expand their income.
    Also many Vikings went on the crusades (one of my Norwegian king ancestors did) even fought alongside Knights Templars, indeed likely even joined the order. The 'Vikings' overran Scotland, so who's who here?
    As to Prince Henry Sinclair, he took his maps from 2 Portugese brothers.

    Sorry that should read Venician brothers. It's years since I looked at this interesting material.
    "The record of this voyage is called the "Zeno Narrative" by most historians because it originally consisted of letters written by Sinclair's navigators Niccolo and Antonio Zeno of Venice, to their brother Carlo "The Lion" of Venice. " (from 'Swords at Sunset' by Michael Bradley)
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    10 000 y ago the ice age ended, and the ALTLANTiS (all the land ice)period also ended so the aser-people left odenma as the iceage came to its end, sliding down the arcipelago of todays Scandinavia and Finland and that brought down Odenma and Hel, down to the bottom of the Finish golf(this was the second ragnarök). They filled a big boat(that they crafted, as they knew what was going to happen)with all domestic and wild animals that has evolved and created under the altlantis-period(iceage) and sailed to Gotland(in the east sea). And waited there for the ice to finish off. After 1000 y in Gotland they went back to Odenma(south of Finland) and then Sven and Dan two brothers from the Aser people, left with their. Followers. They established the "Vi King" System.(Vikings) The decendants of Sven is the Swedes, Norwegians, Islandic and the Scottish. Dan's decendants are the rest of the the north european people(arctic people) Whilst the main line returned to Odenma and populated the northern hemisphere all the way to the Pacific.

    10 other brothers from the Aser kingline left to travel to different corners of the world. They're still known in the mythologies of those cultures. One very famous is Gotama Buddha. One other is Quetzalcoatl...

    So the knowledge and the maps existed and Columbus got his hands on those maps. The church ofcourse spread the idea of a flat earth and the danger of falling down the edge, to prevent any journeys out of the control of the new belief system.

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    Pagan.

    Where did you gather this from? I would like to know more about this story. Got any sources and such I could visit to read more at?

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    Any idea which Queen of Norway?

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    Re: in the dream at the opening of this thread:
    "The Templars were being chased down by the Catholic Church, prosecuted and killed for their belief in a female God."

    Found some info that is close - but maybe it was a kindred group to the Knights Templar - heretical Greenlanders fleeing the catholic church. A voyage was ordered in 1354 by a zealous orthodox Catholic off-with-their-heads type ruler named King Magnus Eriksson of both Sweden and Norway, in search of 7000 missing Greenlanders.

    Leif Eriksson had brought Christian priests to Greenland in 999AD, but there are records of Celtic and Cathar Christians in the north since 700Ad so Leif's could easily be this kind of rebellious Old Religion believers who worshipped the Goddess over god(s). The settlement was loosely Christian but pretty much left alone by Rome for centuries.

    The inhabitants were discovered missing when their tithes to Rome stopped suddenly, and the pope sent out a priest, Ivar Bardson, to investigate. They just 'disappeared' about 1340. Bardson's report said they went 'advertent genestem'. This could mean 7000 of them 'went native' (unlikely because they would have overrun the native population and turned all the Eskimo's complexions white, their hair blond and eyes blue) or that they had become heretics in the Cathar style - followers of the Holy Bloodline the Holy Grail as in Mary and Jesus' family aka the Merovigians, Albigensians etc.

    Icelandic annals say the last 'Markland' (Vinland aka Labrador, Canada) ship came into Reykjavik harbour in 1347. Probably because the group fled permanently.
    Laurence Gardiner's 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' gives genealogies of Jesus' line through most of the northern noble houses.

    So back to the Kensington stone of Minnesota. The inscription refers to 8 Gottlanders and 22 Norwegians. Gottlanders were known to be in the bodyguard of the King Magnus Erikson, and his letter expressly orders the Paul Knutson expedition to include them. It set sail in 1355 probably, went to Greenland, on to Vinland and pushed further west to Lake Superior.

    So this 'offical' expedition could very easily be the ones responsible for the stone, which would have taken some effort to carve, as they might have wanted an official report, and permanent proof they had searched to please this fanatical king.

    Where the settlers ended up is anyone's guess but it is highly likely that POrince Henry Sinclair knew all about this settlement and the search party before he left.
    When he landed in Nova Scptia he first thing he did was send 100 soldiers on a scouting trip. Before they had even set up camp. So what or who was he looking for?

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    Default Re: Swedes brought Templars to MN to hide ancient treasures in 1342...

    Great thread Rocky, man what fantastic history story.
    It all lays out like a really good historical mystery adventure novel.
    But this one plays out in our own backyard.
    The infomation is just overwhelming and keeps on coming, everyhing like,
    Vikings discovered america 1000 AD, maybe earlier, maybe frequent journeys. Wow man.
    The infamous Fri. 13 slaughter of Tempar knights by a coward Pope and an ambitious King, they didn,t kill all of them.
    Remaining Templars were last seen with 3 ships off Scotland.
    Thought to have made their way to america with substantial treasure.
    Now it gets interesting because they leave all kinds of carved stones all aver central ,eastern north america.
    My favorite one, the map stone. On it were carved the sign for good land,
    a fish, a duck, a deer, a bow and arrow, a human in a canoe and a native face, extrodinary.
    This was found near the heartland of America. If that doesn,t get your curriosity juices going nothing ever will.
    The Newport Tower seems to be fashioned after a Cambridge round church, absolutely medieval construction.
    Everything else from Templars turning into masons, to, sacred geomtry, just fantastic History,All very interesting.
    Also I would have to agree with "My Lord" who asked why everyone seems to think the Holy Grail is a cup, or something.
    I don,t know too much aout it , but I believe the holy chalice refers to the female womb. The mother of all human life.
    Anyway, great thread, lots of new infonation that I should have known already.
    Thanks rocky-shores , thanks "My Lord".

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    Default Re: Swedes brought Templars to MN to hide ancient treasures in 1342...

    isn't it amazing as all of this is unfolding?

    I've been on another search back from the Cymry, that leads from UK to Spain... then to Kenya and Atlantis...


    I didn't see that one coming...

    it is a small world...
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    Quote Posted by toothpick (here)
    Great thread Rocky, man what fantastic history story.
    It all lays out like a really good historical mystery adventure novel.
    But this one plays out in our own backyard.
    The infomation is just overwhelming and keeps on coming, everyhing like,
    Vikings discovered america 1000 AD, maybe earlier, maybe frequent journeys. Wow man.
    The infamous Fri. 13 slaughter of Tempar knights by a coward Pope and an ambitious King, they didn,t kill all of them.
    Remaining Templars were last seen with 3 ships off Scotland.
    Thought to have made their way to america with substantial treasure.
    Now it gets interesting because they leave all kinds of carved stones all aver central ,eastern north america.
    My favorite one, the map stone. On it were carved the sign for good land,
    a fish, a duck, a deer, a bow and arrow, a human in a canoe and a native face, extrodinary.
    This was found near the heartland of America. If that doesn,t get your curriosity juices going nothing ever will.
    The Newport Tower seems to be fashioned after a Cambridge round church, absolutely medieval construction.
    Everything else from Templars turning into masons, to, sacred geomtry, just fantastic History,All very interesting.
    Also I would have to agree with "My Lord" who asked why everyone seems to think the Holy Grail is a cup, or something.
    I don,t know too much aout it , but I believe the holy chalice refers to the female womb. The mother of all human life.
    Anyway, great thread, lots of new infonation that I should have known already.
    Thanks rocky-shores , thanks "My Lord".

    toothpick
    Funny you mention templars and ships.
    They had the largest merchant fleet of all time.
    Where did their ships go?

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    Quote Posted by bluestflame (here)
    http://www.crusades-history.com/Knights-Templar.aspx

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    The first of the military orders, the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, widely known as the Knights Templar, was founded in 1118, in the aftermath of the First Crusades, to help the new Kingdom of Jerusalem maintain itself against its defeated Muslim neighbors, and to ensure the safety of the large numbers of European pilgrims who flowed towards Jerusalem after its conquest.

    Organization - Knights of Templar
    The Knights Templar were organized as a monastic order, following a rule created for them by Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Cistercian Order. The Knights Templar were well connected and quickly became prime movers in the international politics of the Crusades period. In time, they were endowed with several extraordinary Papal bulls (see Omne Datum Optimum) that permitted them, among other things, to levy taxes and accept tithing in the areas under their direct control, facilitating their quick rise to institutional power.

    There were four divisions of brothers in the Templars:

    - the knights, equipped as heavy cavalry;
    - the sergeants, equipped as light cavalry and drawn from a lower social class than the knights;
    - farmers, who administered the property of the Order;
    - the chaplains, who were ordained priests and saw to the spiritual needs of the Order.

    At any time, each knight had some ten people in support positions. Some brothers were devoted solely to banking, as the Order was often trusted with precious goods by participants in the Crusades."
    The given history of the Templars is well known.
    It is the secret hidden history surrounding the Templars and the treasure of Solomon which is most intriguing.
    Many book have been written on the subject but a good place to start is the Holy Blood and The Holy Grail and The Templars and the Ark of the Covenant. The truth is out there and I hope that we will know a lot more about it very soon, hopefully triggered by this coming Winter solstice full moon eclipse.

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    [
    Funny you mention templars and ships.
    They had the largest merchant fleet of all time.
    Where did their ships go?[/QUOTE]

    You mean the ones flying the 'jolie rouge' better known as the Jolly Roger?
    http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_...mplarflag.html

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    Many book have been written on the subject but a good place to start is the Holy Blood and The Holy Grail and The Templars and the Ark of the Covenant. [/QUOTE]

    I love Graham Phillips books! He nails it so clearly. Columbus, Robin Hood, Arthur, Moses, Mary Magdelen etc etc. Did you see when he found a piece of what could be the Ten Commandments tablet in a dyke in Warwickshire? Another find that's never to be heard of again - he gave it to 'experts' to analyse.

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    Quote Posted by TWINCANS (here)
    You mean the ones flying the 'jolie rouge' better known as the Jolly Roger?
    http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_...mplarflag.html
    Interesting angle.
    Thanks for that one, never heard of that before.
    Got any more info on it?

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    BTW about Vermont and the Henry Sinclair settlements - the theory is that they first set up in Nova Scotia (Henry was the Glooscap in MicMic indian legends) but quickly moved inland, either up the St John River through New Brunswick and portaged to the St Lawrence River and to the Great Lakes. Or along the seacoast and up the big rivers ie Connecticut River, Hudson River, Susquahanna River. They found ruins of a mill in Vale Perkins (Magog Mill) dated to the period and lots of artifacts (a Sinclair coat of arms carved on a rock, a gargoyle head carving, in the Green Mtns on the shores of Lake Memphremagog, thought to have been the site of the biggest settlement until the next settlement at Seguna and then onward to Welland, Ontario. Also a rune stone near Lake Champlain.

    But why were the Knights Templar here? To relocate the grail story to the new world for safety. But once there it (the order, the family, the Holy Blood etc) had to be moved again.Two connections make that fit.
    1/ In the Holy Blood Holy Grail, Berenger Saunier was supposedly to take the parchments he found in 1891 to the Seminary of St. Sulpice in Paris, founded in late 1630's by Jean-Jacques Olier - one of the two founders of Montreal in 1642! (Saunier painted the Crist child in tartans in his church)
    2/ Pousin's 1641 'The Shepards of Arcadie' painting shows 3 men and a woman all of whom were likely the founders and backers of Montreal. Thus Poussin was saying ' don't worry the grail will besafely shepherded to a new haven'. ie from Acadia to Montreal. They were intended to oversee the develpoment of French North Amrica for the grail order.
    BTW only 100 years ago, over 90% of the entire private wealth of Canada was centred in the 1 square mile around Mount Royal on Montreal. Seems they succeeded.

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    You're right. It's conjecture. The only 'factoid is that apparently the Skull and Bones became a Masonic symbol and it can be found on certain tombstones of Scotland. Not to mention a very well known club of baby illuminati's.
    From another chat site " The Skull and Crossbones is a symbolic emblem used in the living resurrection rituals of the Freemasons, which, it is said, portray, albeit in a symbolic sense, the actual death and symbolic resurrection of the original Master Mason, Hiram Abif, perhaps more unusually known as the Egyptian king, Seqenenre Tao."
    But the main link is made in 'The Hiram Key' by Knight & Lomax and that's not too substantiated.

    Another comment:
    "However, one maritime historian, Mr. Ed Foxe, has made an in-depth study of pirate flags and contends that while the “Templar theory” is not a bad theory, quite attractive in fact, it does have one major flaw. There is no documentation to show that the skull and crossed bones were ever actually used as a Templar symbol. According to Mr. Foxe, the origin of the Templar theory seems to be a book called "Pirates and the Lost Templar Fleet," by David Hatcher Childress.
    Mr. Foxe notes that while the skull and crossed bones certainly appear on some Templar graves, it also appears on hundreds and hundreds of other, non-Templar, graves from the medieval period to the 18th century. It was a symbol of mortality and death, but was never ever specifically associated with Templars. Nor did it ever fly from any ship known to be in the Templar fleet. "

    But it could just be another urban myth.


    ADDITIONAL: The theory has followers with a 2005 book originally published in Spanish, English version published 2007, called The Templar Pirates.
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    Quote Posted by Pagan (here)
    Quote Have a look at any pic of Columbus's ships.
    What is that on the sails? Why is that? Who gave him the maps to the Americas?
    Oh and why do you guys assume the grail is a physical object?
    Columbus got the maps of americas from the Queen of norway. Vikings travelled the shores long time before.
    WOW !!!....I want to see That map. Where is it ?

    From what I know, Templars were in Portugal since the begining. The kings of Portugal were all Templars. Astronomy and cartography were protected activities . They were linked to the royal family members, usually the second sons studied and searched for maps. For example, at that time XIV century, the brother of the King D. Duarte, the Duc D. Pedro traveled around Europe and even further, to get maps for the Royal House.

    Ps. In Portugal we know the secret of the grail, but nobody pays attention....LOL...everybody is to busy making up stories...

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=4ySY-oRL1IQ

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    In the place where the water is , there is a light energy tunnel that goes up into the sky.
    Namasté
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    please share the secret
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    Quote Pagan.

    Where did you gather this from? I would like to know more about this story. Got any sources and such I could visit to read more at?
    My intention is to give out the whole story here, sometime in July. It's very complex. There is also a website hosted by a friend of mine: www.bocksaga.de It is the story of our origin, from the first humans, the paradise time, when the whole planet were one family, the poleshift, iceage and Altlantis period, how the 13 races( 3 arctical and 10 tropical) came to be and how the religions took over and the final destruction of Asgård, Odenma, Ringarike Hel. Also the idea of the hollow earth is explained and what it is.

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    Very good site, the www.bocksaga. ! Thank you for posting it , Pagan !

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