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    Default Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Not sure anyone has covered this , but looks somewhat worrying.

    Oroville Dam Break Growing, But No Evacuations ...

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    When I asked a local geologist about the risk ha replied"Concerning and urgent yes, not a disaster in waiting though. From the pictures, the spillway is constructed on bedrock, and they have underflow that has undermined the concrete liner of the spillway... if the spillway ran over the dam itself and was eroding downwards into the earthen dam, that would be way worse"
    A bit of further inquiry tells that an emergency spillway is ready if needed.

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    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    Not sure anyone has covered this , but looks somewhat worrying.

    Oroville Dam Break Growing, But No Evacuations ...
    Later this same day - evacuations are in progress: BREAKING: Marysville, Yuba County evacuated as Oroville spillway collapse feared (Sacramento Bee).

    The Oroville Dam is the largest dam in the US. The primary spillway developed a massive hole in the concrete liner of the chute that the water flows down. They had just started trying the alternative "emergency" spillway within the last day, but that spillway has started failing massively, eroding back up to the edge of the concrete wall at the edge of Lake Oroville.

    There is far more snow pack in the Sierras, above Lake Oroville (the massive lake formed behind the Oroville dam) than in recent years. Even if they manage to get through the next few days, once that snow pack starts melting, they are going to have serious problems on their hands.

    This is the primary source of water for the California central valley, which at one time (before the draught of the last few years) had been the most productive vegetable growing region in the US, perhaps the world.

    Houston - we have a problem.

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    When I asked a local geologist about the risk ha replied"Concerning and urgent yes, not a disaster in waiting though. From the pictures, the spillway is constructed on bedrock, and they have underflow that has undermined the concrete liner of the spillway... if the spillway ran over the dam itself and was eroding downwards into the earthen dam, that would be way worse"
    A bit of further inquiry tells that an emergency spillway is ready if needed.
    That "way worse" problem is what they saw today. The emergency spillway was put into use for the first time, and it started eroding back into the earthen dam, quite a bit more rapidly, at lower water flow rates, than anticipated.

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    This article has several large pictures, showing the Oroville dam, the primary spillway (which has the hole in the concrete liner) and the emergency spillway (which we learned today was less capable than designed for): https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-da...failure.t8381/

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    Update Oroville Dam Overtops, Govt Still Refuses to Order Evacuation Preparations (309)

    Published on Feb 12, 2017

    The California Government assured the citizens that the emergency spillway would not be used in the lake overflow as Oroville Dam's concrete spillway collapsed due to structural failure at 65,000 CFS release. Now with the lower hydroelectric facility discharge out flow clogged with debris there will be +12,000 CFS flow over top and also authorities will scale back flow from collapsed spillway to 35,000 CFS from 55,000 CFS which means and extra 32,000 CFS will pour over the untested emergency spillway.

    THOSE IN THE DRAINAGE BASIN OF THIS DAM NEED TO PREPARE TO POSSIBLY EVACUATE. IF THE ORDER IS GIVEN YOU WILL HAVE LESS THAN 30 MINUTES TO LEAVE. PREPARE NOW.

    LIVE WATER HEIGHT REPORTS http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/q...9&span=24hours

    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    Not sure anyone has covered this , but looks somewhat worrying.

    Oroville Dam Break Growing, But No Evacuations ...

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    This is the FB message that was posted 3 hours ago at:
    https://www.facebook.com/bcsonews/posts/781255845358029
    Quote Butte County Sheriff
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    This is an evacuation order.
    Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream is ordered.

    A hazardous situation is developing with the Oroville Dam auxiliary spillway. Operation of the auxiliary spillway has lead to severe erosion that could lead to a failure of the structure. Failure of the auxiliary spillway structure will result in an uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville.
    In response to this developing situation, DWR is increasing water releases to 100,000 cubic feet per second.
    Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream is ordered.
    This in NOT A Drill. This in NOT A Drill. This in NOT A Drill.

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    The comments from viewers on this youtube page are saying that the MSM is not reporting honestly about how serious this is.


    From the air yesterday
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Live updates here:

    http://www.kcra.com/nowcast

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    From Zerohedge: 100,000 People Are Evacuating Over "Imminent Failure" Of California's Oroville Dam:
    Update: NBC reports that the spillway has now failed: "The Oroville Dam’s auxiliary spillway has failed, forcing the evacuations of several counties in California, with between 60,000 and 100,000 people forced to evacuate from Butte, County, Calif., alone."
    More at the above Zerohedge link.

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    From the Sacramento Fox40 station: Evacuations Ordered Due to ‘Hazardous Situation’ Developing at Oroville Dam Emergency Spillway:
    OROVILLE — Immediate evacuations have been ordered for residents of the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream, according to officials with the California Department of Water Resources.

    Officials say a hazardous situation is developing with the Oroville Dam auxiliary spillway. The operation of the auxiliary spillway has led to severe erosion that could lead to a failure of the auxiliary spillway.

    Officials were anticipating a failure of the auxiliary spillway at Oroville Dam by 6 p.m. So far flows are normal, but the next few hours will be crucial in determining whether the structure will hold up.

    Failure will result in an uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville.

    The DWR is increasing water released to 100,000 cubic feet per second.

    Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream have been ordered.

    The National Weather Service has issued a flash flood warning for possible dam failure. Areas affected include Oroville, Palermo, Gridley, Thermalito, South Oroville, Oroville Dam, Oroville East and Wyandotte.

    Residents should evacuate in a northward direction, toward Chico. Disabled residents who cannot get help from friends or family should call 911 for assistance.

    The flash flood warning is in effect until 10:35 p.m. Monday. Residents who have been evacuated should not return until they are told it is safe to do so.

    The Butte County Sheriff’s Department says that helicopters will be depositing rock-filled containers to strengthen the potential failure point.

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Lately i have been feeling as though the dam of information...upheld by MSM has been getting more and more fragile...with leaks spinging up all over the place. On a symbolic level i wonder if this event represents this phenomenon. Hoping every one is safe!

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Well everyone keep trying to nudge that storm up...



    I Tweeted Trump earlier telling him it's a National emergency to save this dam, need helicopter cement drops immediately.

    They are showing helicopters preparing to go drops of rocks/boulders to slow the erosion.

    Wednesday this storm is due to hit. Water levels that was rising at half a foot an hour is slowing down...

    Hot weather is melting snow, they have to do major patches tonight...


    Just so everyone knows, if this dam goes a 200ft wave will wash over Sacramento and Davis close to 600,000 in danger beyond the 120k already evacuated.

    My sister unbuckled the straps to their boat, she is in the path.
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Jim Stone has been following the events at the Oroville dam since it first became public (a week ago?). He remains convinced that it was deliberate sabotage that initially caused the failure in the main spillway's wall.

    Here is Jim Stone's current take on this (from his website at http://82.221.129.208/baasepagew7.html):

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    THE OROVILLE DAM IS GOING TO FAIL. MANDATORY EVACUATIONS NOW.

    UPDATE: By opening the primary spillway to 115,000 cfs they drained the top foot and a half off the reservoir quickly and dropped the lake level to below the emergency spillway level. However, so much erosion happened that they don't know how far below that they need to go to get the water to stop flowing around the emergency spillway through an erosion breach. THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN THE ALL CLEAR, but it might be getting better, my guess.

    They decided to sacrifice what's left of the main spillway to stop a catastrophic failure elsewhere. That won't last, more rain is coming and record snow is there to melt.

    There were a few readers who said I reported about the dam too much. I kept on it, because I strongly believe the spillway failure was sabotage. And I did not think they would sabotage the spillway unless they had run endless 3d modeling proving an absolute failure would result. I was confident this failure was the end result of careful modeling and sabotage to make it happen, but did not say it because it sounded too "out there".

    And now, TOO BAD, I'D RATHER BE WRONG but now the emergency spillway is failing also, because it is just too much water to run over a damaged dam. I believe communists in California's government blew the primary spillway up with explosives. After that, nature would finish the catastrophe. And I believe they carefully planned this out fully, complete with ground penetrating radar scans to prove there would be a horrible end result. That is the type of people that are running California now, I would not put this one inch past them.

    Whatever happens now all depends upon how strong the rock in the mountain is that all of this water is going to flow over. Hopefully we will only lose the top 50 feet of water, and not all 770 feet of it. The dam report will be updated regularly in the embedded window.

    THIS IS NOT A FUTURE EVENT. THE FAILURE IS HAPPENING NOW. IF YOU LIVE DOWNSTREAM FROM THE OROVILLE DAM, BUG OUT NOW
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    The tin-foil-hat, conspiracy theory nutcase in me thinks that Jim Stone (previous post) might be onto something.

    I wouldn't put it past the bastards in power to first weaken the agriculture production of California's central valley with years of draught (using weather control and also using a faked up controversy over the "snail darter fish" to justify draining years of dammed up reserve water supply), and then follow that up with record rain and snow that California is currently seeing this winter, and taking out the tallest dam in the US, so that it will overwhelmed by the record spring melt, coming in the next month or two.

    The California Central Valley may be due for historic flooding - just as described a couple of days ago in the article Is California overdue for biblical, catastrophic flooding? History says it could be (San Francisco Chronicle):

    ==========
    With this recent cavalcade of rainstorms, there's been renewed interest in a 2011 USGS study on the so-called "ARkStorm." In it, the USGS lays out a case for a hypothetical "megastorm," one that could cause up to $725 billion in damage and impact a quarter of California's homes.

    The ARkStorm would bring with it catastrophic rains, hurricane-force winds and hundreds of landslides. Central Valley flooding alone is projected to span 300 miles.

    If that sounds far-fetched, there's historic precedent: Geological evidence indicates that California endures massive flooding caused by atmospheric rivers every 100-200 years. And settlers who moved to California after the Gold Rush soon found what the native population had known for centuries: Northern California is prime flooding territory.

    The most prominent example is the Great Flood of 1862, a natural disaster that still ranks as the largest flood in the history of the American West. Between Dec. 1861 and Jan. 1862, the West Coast received a near-constant deluge of rain. Sacramento received a stunning 23 inches in that period, turning the city into a watery ghost town.

    "The people are leaving the city as rats would a sinking ship" the Red Bluff Independent wrote on Jan. 14.

    As flood waters rose, it took entire houses with it. Little two-story wooden houses were carried off whole and eyewitness reports in the local papers said the flowing waters were full of furniture and dead livestock. Thirty foot-tall telegraph poles, which had recently been installed between New York and San Francisco, were fully submerged.

    That was hardly the worst of it. A Tuolumne County paper reported that 1,400 Chinese migrants died in the flooding state-wide. One-third of the property in the state was destroyed and 800,000 cattle died, a mass die-off that marked "the beginning of the end of the cattle-based ranchero society in California."

    Settlers realized the homes that survived had something in common: They were built in the spots where Native Americans originally put down settlements. Native stories spoke of the Sacramento Valley as an inland sea. For centuries, they'd seen the valley fill with water, and the Nevada City Democrat reported that "Indians living in the vicinity of Marysville left their abodes a week or more ago for the foothills predicting an unprecedented overflow. "
    ==========

    One favorite way of the bastards in power to bring a nation under control is to devastate their food supply, as Stalin is famous for having done in the Ukraine, in the 1930's, and as might have been what caused the famous potatoe famine, that brought my ancestors on the Scotch-Irish side over to America.

    Devastating California's Central Valley would be a key part of getting at America's food supply, and it looks like this might well be what is happening.

    The Central Valley is one of the most productive farming regions in the world. It produces more than half of the fruits, vegetables and nuts grown in the United States.

    Here's a map showing the top ten crops grown in the valley:
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    If one combines this with the consequences of the US Dollar losing it's Reserve Status, thus making imports two or three times more expensive, relative than domestic goods, than they are now, then lots of Americans will be going hungry in coming years.
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Good coverage from the air.
    Published on Feb 12, 2017

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    That´s some hours ago, the parking area is completely gone. More and more water is making its way around the emergency Spillway ! The street to the dam is not useable anymore and will soon be gone. More than 160.000 are fleeing the area.




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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Paul, we are recycling toilet water and nuclear radiated ocean water, this reserve was years of clean fresh water. I said it was bombed first day I saw it.

    Well the good news is the earthquake about to hit is only expected to be a 5.0



    Almost 200k evacuated the area last night, logistical nightmare, imagine if they waited until the last minute... a major breach would put Oroville under 100 feet of water.

    Remember, conspiracies are all real in the alternate reality, the Elites told us their plans and we sit around watching the magic trying to tell how the magician did it.

    In the alternate reality, what many call enlightenment, there are no coincidences or conspiracies, just fake news... 😉

    My reality is 2 parents in wheel chairs, one with a mouth that never stops, the other with the memory of a door nob... I prefer the alternative...

    Yale was finally allowed to release their study showing vaccines cause brain damage...

    They've both had too many...

    A vaccine to prevent us from catching a cold from a South African Beatle? We'll take it...
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    Really? You guys think they bombed it on purpose? Come on, the more plausible explanation is years of drought causes the 45 year old earthen spillway to become dry and brittle. Now we get a year of high rain and the earthen barrier shifts/moves/breaks. This isn't a conspiracy, it is a disaster. Sacramento valley was built in a flood plain. We build most of the levees/dams/sloughs in the 50's and no one is willing to spend the billions to do the maintenance. It's more a case of people and the government are more reactive than proactive. We don't fix stuff until there is a disaster.

    I live in Sacramento and no we aren't in much danger. The immediate areas have been evacuated for good reason. The valley is HUGE and is built for seasonal flooding. If the Oroville dam breaks it will dissipate over the millions of acres of farm land, hit the thousands of levee's and sloughs and then go out to sea before it hits Sacramento.

    It will and has caused significant damage and those in the immediate downstream area are in danger and could lose their houses/land but it won't consume the entire Valley. Have you seen how big the valley is?
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    ... the more plausible explanation is years of drought causes the 45 year old earthen spillway to become dry and brittle....
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    Yep, high speed water mixed with sandy particles can do a lot of damage expanding cracks into potholes and then into sink holes... which is what the damaged spillway looked like at one point.


    2013: maintenance trucks on the spillway.









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    Well if you wanted Trump's attention, would you tell him some farms are going to get wet, or that the Capitol of California is about to be washed off the map because the evil Elites plan to destroy all fresh water?

    Remember the Elites announce their plan, pull it off, then use their media giants to prove it wasn't them.

    One thing we have been taught well is how fake news can be very convincing...

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    Well if you wanted Trump's attention, would you tell him some farms are going to get wet, or that the Capitol of California is about to be washed off the map because the evil Elites plan to destroy all fresh water?

    Remember the Elites announce their plan, pull it off, then use their media giants to prove it wasn't them.

    One thing we have been taught well is how fake news can be very convincing...
    I prefer to look at the most plausible explanation for things. Sure we can come up with a million possible explanations but it's just pure speculation and wishful thinking most of the time.

    Maybe the Russians, Chinese or Islamic terrorists did it! Maybe an advanced alien civilization did it! Maybe mole people dug too far up and cracked the spillway! I mean let's be real, California want's federal money to build a high speed rail system. Why would we then destroy a dam to divert the money away from that? Let me guess, that is the real plan!!!

    The conspiracy theories can be very tempting and some often turn out to be true but sometimes it can go too far and just get exhausting.
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