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    WOW! Check out the spillway erosion fromairborne footage taken today from above the Dam.

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    My wife and I got a birds eye view of the spillway today as the lighting was perfect and they had shut off the out flow.. Check this out..
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    From Jim Stone:





    The gray "sand bar" is chunks of rock that were eroded away and dropped in the river below the spillway. This formed a dam that caused flooding upstream, and prevented the power houses from being used. They are trying to clear this now.


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    Cleaning up the mess as fast as they can...1 MARCH Detailed On Site Update
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    The power plant is operational again, and a forecast


    This guy is not so optimistic with his quotes and figures


    Even worse...


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    Dangers to the power plant--a delicate balance

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Dangers to the power plant--a delicate balance
    That water seeping back into the power plant was in an article dated 2-16-2017 (see the video around 0:34 seconds). Since then, as you reported in post #147, above, they have just now lowered the water below the power plant enough so that they can begin turning the generators back on.

    So that tells me that the concern of damage to the power plant from water backing up into it from below has been solved ... for now anyway. Only if they have to open up the main spillway again, and plug up the river below the power plant again, would they risk water backing up into the power plant again.

    Meanwhile, if they can get enough cold weather in the central and northern Sierra's, that drain into the Feather River (the southern Sierra's that the "not so optimistic guy" included in his Statewide Summary average should not have been included in the average that is above the Oroville dam), then they can lower the Oroville Lake, above the dam, further, and be better able to handle the run off when the snow does melt.

    Even if the snow melt does get away from them, when it finally does melt, and even if they have to go back to heavy use of the main spillway, blocking the river below the power plant again, this would likely be a one time problem. Even if they further destroy the main spillway, and flood the power plant, the dam would hold, without even having to test whether the patches to the emergency spillway were any good.

    They might even be able to try some patch repairs of the main spillway, if just the power plant can keep the lake low enough, for a week or three.

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    What I understand is that there's 8-9 dams above Oroville dam that are pretty much at full capacity atm…then add the melting snow, more rain, and little shaking to the already neglected infrastructure. Good luck, is all I can say.

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    Quote Posted by Sequoia (here)
    What I understand is that there's 8-9 dams above Oroville dam that are pretty much at full capacity atm…then add the melting snow, more rain, and little shaking to the already neglected infrastructure. Good luck, is all I can say.


    There are only 2 above Oroville to my knowledge. Shasta and Trinity. Don Pedro, below Oroville was a problem back in February, but is OK for now.

    See Chart (which I couldn't seem to post here): http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/res...phsMain.action
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    According to this Breitbart article, there are 9 reservoirs that flow into the Oroville.
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/...ervoirs-flood/
    (Some of the info is outdated since this is from 2/17, but not all of it...)
    Quote Although the California Department of Water Resources is claiming Oroville Dam is safer because the water level has fallen by 52 feet, that feat was largely accomplished by over-filing 9 upstream reservoirs that are all expected to flood as another Pineapple Express storm-train brings 48 hours of heavy rain through Wednesday.
    The last winter storm caused an evacuation of about 200,000 people downstream from Lake Oroville due to the threat of a catastrophic failure of the dam.

    Although most Americans have been told that the fissure in the side of the dam has been stabilized by opening up the spillway to drain the lake, and helicopters have dropped huge bags of rocks in a crack, the water flow into Oroville Lake has been restricted by overfilling the upstream reservoirs.

    The nine State Water Project and PG&E earthen reservoirs on the Upper Feather River Watershed that feed directly into Lake Oroville were already at maximum capacity prior to the new storms. This next storm is expected to bring 1-3 inches of rain in the valleys. But the Central Sierras are expecting 10 inches of snow and rain over the next 7 days.

    With all the higher elevation reservoirs brimming, Supervisor Kevin Goss from mountainous Plumas County told the Sacramento Bee, “I’m watching, and I’m worried.” Flooding from the last set of storms shut down escape in all directions in his Indian Valley district.

    The towns of Greenville and Taylorsville were isolated, and sewer systems for the sparsely populated county suffered extensive damage as many roads washed out. The flooding from the new storm is expected to be much more serious.

    In addition, Relatively warm temperatures of up to 49 degrees in nearby Tahoe caused snowmelt this week. With the “Snow Water Equivalents” for this time of year in the Central Sierras at 183 percent and the Southern Sierras at 205 percent; the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration warned that the mountains could see significant runoff.

    The total capacity of the upstream dams is about 400,000 acre feet, or about one tenth the capacity of Lake Oroville. Last week, the upstream reservoirs were allowed to fill in an effort to take pressure of Oroville Dam. But with the dams full, virtually 100 percent of the rain and runoff from the coming storms will flow into Oroville Lake.

    Despite the upstream restricting of water flow, Lake Oroville added over 1 million acre feet of water in three days during the last storm. Engineers from the California Department of Water Resources hope that a combination of releasing 800,000 acre feet of water from the lake will be enough to prevent another Oroville Dam flood.
    The way this guy is interpreting the numbers is not so optimistic, with warming temps likely to cause plenty of snowmelt

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Meanwhile, this guy is tracking how chemtrails continue to divert rain from the L.A. area, prolonging the drought there.


    Related to the Oroville situation... in that Dane Wigington talks about how his
    [QUOTE]research has proved to him that earthquakes can be caused by directed energy weapons (such as HAARP) which bounce streams of electromagnetic waves off of the upper atmosphere, which superheats the air over "seismically sensitive" areas such as California and some areas of the midwest, causing unstable fault lines to rupture. [/QUOTE]
    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2017/03/01
    Quote Researcher and activist Dane Wigington has been documenting disturbing changes in the environment he attributes to the practice of "geoengineering." This includes various weather modification techniques including chemtrails and projects such as HAARP. He began his three hour segment by telling George and the listeners that the Earth is headed for "omnicide," or the elimination of all life on the planet because of what he says are secret climate control projects that stretch back to at least 1947. The reports of China boasting that they controlled the weather during the recent Beijing Olympics is just the tip of the iceberg, according to Wigington. He believes that weather modification has caused far more damage to the atmosphere and contributed to global heating than simple pollution and carbon emissions.

    Wigington believes that the climate changes that are coming are "past the point of no return," and wants people to be aware of the causes. The reasons for governments engaging in weather modification are purely to control populations by controlling the food supply, he contends. He cited documented evidence of chemical spraying from high-altitude aircraft, and added that pilots are silenced with non-discosure agreements that include a provision for "use of deadly force" if they do not comply. He thinks that the spraying is designed to block sunlight and cool regions that have become too hot. In spite of this seemingly exact control of the weather, Wigington believes the evidence he has gathered proves that things are so out of balance at this point that fixing the climate is like "trying to put out fires with buckets of gas."

    Wigington’s research has proved to him that earthquakes can be caused by directed energy weapons (such as HAARP) which bounce streams of electromagnetic waves off of the upper atmosphere, which superheats the air over "seismically sensitive" areas such as California and some areas of the midwest, causing unstable fault lines to rupture. He says that there is evidence for this in the correlation of weather and earthquake records from such areas as Haiti, Fukushima, and New Zealand. He also contends that areas where anomalous cold weather and snow are present are being engineered through the use of "chemically nucleated" cloud seeding. Wigington characterizes the global efforts at weather control as a "climate engineering Manhattan Project."
    I think this is the same show on youtube here:



    This one really gives a better perspective on the amount of damage at the Oroville dam, as you can see lots of tiny human figures at various places onsite.
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Thanks Onawah and, hey guys, I'm not some fear-monger conspiracy crazy but I mentioned the 8 to 9 dams earlier bc on the YT link below from 3/3/17 that I quickly scanned through, I know it's conflicting with info others have posted here regarding the number of dams above Oroville but at the end regardless, the up-to-capasity dams, melting snow, failing structures and years of drought, is really not a matter of if but when…even if it was few years, still this is a huge issue until taken care of and that people should be aware of, imo.


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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    The official story ends at about 38 minutes in and the rest takes you through the math as to what may be in store.
    Quote Posted by Sequoia (here)
    Thanks Onawah and, hey guys, I'm not some fear-monger conspiracy crazy but I mentioned the 8 to 9 dams earlier bc on the YT link below from 3/3/17 that I quickly scanned through, I know it's conflicting with info others have posted here regarding the number of dams above Oroville but at the end regardless, the up-to-capasity dams, melting snow, failing structures and years of drought, is really not a matter of if but when…even if it was few years, still this is a huge issue until taken care of and that people should be aware of, imo.


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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Quote Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
    There are only 2 above Oroville to my knowledge. Shasta and Trinity. Don Pedro, below Oroville was a problem back in February, but is OK for now.
    My understanding is that there are several smaller dams that feed into the Oroville dam, and that there are just two large dams north of Oroville that separately feed into the Central Valley.

    So the question is whether "above" means (1) to the north of but separate (just 2 of these), or (2) upstream of and feeding into (several of these.)

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    According to this guy, the power plant was shut down yesterday (Saturday) at 10:00. Don't know if it was restarted.

    Reminder: Depending on where in California, this year's snow pack is anywhere from 157% to 187% of normal, with more rain/snow coming. Usually snow pack melts gradually, but if a warm storm comes through and it begins to melt quickly, well, with dams, rivers and levees already stressed it could be a Major problem.



    In the meantime the large city of San Jose, CA (which is on the S end of the San Francisco Bay) and areas South of San Jose are flooding rapidly from local problems. Many evacuation taking place. River levees are breaking with more rain predicted.

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    I do hope you are in a safe place, Ba-ba-Ra! It is almost inconceivable what is likely to happen...the photo of the bus beside the snow pack allows one to see realistically the huge amount of snow that will be melting! I can't help but wonder which "group" has the agenda of wiping Calif. off the map? It is all so sad.

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Thanks, so far I am in a really safe area. As to who, many possibilities. Keep in mind California is the 6th largest economy in the World - I repeat . . in the WORLD. If it goes under, imagine the impact on the US economy.

    The domino effects continue: Here's another problem due to the Oroville Dam

    Oroville: Riverbanks Start to Collapse After Dam Spillway Shut Off

    https://www.youtube.com/user/DAHBOO77
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