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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    How many are wondering if anyone at Oroville Dam project has a brain?

    They need to open the main spillway again when it reaches 860, they have had it shut off for days, they could have brought in fibreglass over ground supports until they have time for a full repair. If you turn back on without it the channel will be blocked again, powerplant under water.


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    Oroville Dam Sunday 5 March Update "Things Change"
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    Published on Mar 5, 2017
    A minor change in tactics leads to another delicate balancing act


    Some interesting comments on that youtube page
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Finally they are putting attention into the main spillway...



    If they don't have it fixed before water level reaches 860, everything they have done this last week will be erased...

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    He talks (giving good facts) in the beginning, but if you just want to see progress on dam, go to 2:00



    Interesting fact that I don't believe anyone has mentioned yet is that a few people have found some gold that has been churned up.
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    This may not seem relevant at first glance, until you consider that a large percentage of produce in the US is shipped from California, where the infrastructure is in danger of failing bigtime.
    Chicago is setting a precedent that should be followed nationwide.
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    Quote A miracle in Chicago
    by Jon Rappoport
    A miracle in Chicago
    March 7, 2017

    It turns out that gang killings and drugs are not the only markers of life and death in Chicago. Far from it.

    If you consult the Chicago Urban Agriculture Directory, you find a staggering list of city farms and gardens where clean nutritious food is grown:

    Urban Farms and Gardens in Chicago and Nearby
    • 62nd & Dorchester Community Garden
    • Academy for Global Citizenship School Garden
    • African Heritage Garden
    • Altgeld Sawyer Corner Farm
    • Angelic Organics Learning Center Urban Initiative (Eat to Live Englewood Learning Garden, Urban Incubator Farm, etc)
    • Bay Bay’s Peace Garden (Loud Grade Produce Squad)
    • The Bayless Production Garden (Shores Garden Consulting)
    • Benton House Backyard Botany
    • Big Delicious Planet Kitchen Garden
    • Bronzeville Community Garden
    • Chicago Honey Co-Op
    • Chicago Lights Urban Farm
    • Chicago Patchwork Farms
    • City Farm
    • DePaul Urban Garden
    • Dunne Technology Academy Mini Farm
    • East Garfield Block Club Garden
    • Eden Place Nature Center
    • The Edible Gardens (Lincoln Park Zoo)
    • El Paseo Community Garden
    • Farmed Here
    • Frankie Machine Community Garden (Wicker Park)
    • Gardeneers School Gardens
    • Gingko Organic Gardens
    • Global Garden Refugee Training Farm
    • GreenTown Waukegan
    • Growing Power Chicago Farms
    • Growing Home Farms
    • KAM Isaiah Israel’s Farm and Gardens
    • Kilbourn Park Organic Greenhouse and Community Garden
    • Loyola University
    • Metropolitan Farms
    • The Millenium Neighborhood Garden
    • Moah’s Ark
    • The Mycelia Project
    • Natalie G. Heineman Smart Love Preschool Garden
    • Peterson Garden Project
    • The Plant
    • Pleasant Farms
    • preSERVE garden
    • Purple Leaf Farms
    • Rainbow Beach Victory Garden
    • Roots & Rays
    • Roseland Community Peace Garden
    • Rosemarie Rochetta Wessies Rooftoop Garden (Loyola)
    • The Ruby Garden
    • South Chicago Art Center’s Artists’ Garden
    • The Talking Farm
    • Third Unitarian Church Community Garden
    • Timuel D. Black Edible Arts Garden
    • Uncommon Ground Organic Roof Top Farm
    • Urban Canopy
    • Weiss Rooftop Farm (Loud Grade Produce Squad)
    • Windy City Harvest (Chicago Botanic Garden)
    • Xochiquetzal Peace Garden

    And this is only a partial list. The Chicago Urban Agriculture Mapping Project has a much larger count, which includes private/residential gardens. Their total, which is constantly updated? 888.

    I have written several articles about the needed expansion of urban farms across America, particularly in poverty-stricken communities, and how, with that expansion, there is a critical-mass point at which the basis of all life in those areas would be transformed in a positive revolutionary way.

    Of course, not only do citizens participate in growing their own clean nutritious food and eating it, but they can sell the excess to markets and launch profit-making enterprises. True value for value.

    Such an expansion would do more for those cities and communities, from coast to coast, than all the federal programs of the past 50 years, since Lyndon Johnson announced the US government War on Poverty. Trillions of dollars have been spent, with no true accounting. Who knows how much has been diverted and stolen. But the upshot is, conditions are far worse now, in many areas, than they were 50 years ago.

    But in Chicago (and other cities), people have taken matters into their own hands. They’ve launched farms and gardens and they’ve endured and grown.

    I’m trying to remember the last time Chicago Mayor Emanuel gave a major extended speech about local urban farms, their vital value, and the need for their expansion. Oh, never. That’s right.

    And when did Barack Hope & Change Obama, George W No Child Left Behind Bush, Bill I Feel your Pain Clinton, and the other George Kinder and Gentler Bush deliver such a speech?

    But to repeat, in Chicago (and other cities), people have taken matters into their own hands. They’ve launched farms and gardens, and they’ve endured and grown.

    They haven’t waited. They haven’t waited for the politicians to catch up. Smart move.

    It’s absurd to consider how, with an infinitesimal fraction of the funds poured out in the War on Poverty, every city in America could, by now, be flourishing in so many ways—through urban farms. Greater vitality, greater health, greater participation, greater profits, a greater citizen-stake in safe neighborhoods…

    And those federal seed monies could have come in the form of long-term loans—all of which would have been paid back by now.

    If Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon want to take a few minutes out of their schedule, they might consider a new idea people have known about since the industrial revolution…since, in fact, there were cities: growing food in urban areas—and what it could do to make America great again.
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)



    Look at the line they are Laying upper main spillway... 1:11 in

    Please tell me they have an answer to stretch over the gaping hole... it only needs to carry 15k, let it fill to 870 to complete it if you have to...

    Open power plant for 14 and 10-15 on the spillway.

    Haul in sections from wet and wild, just open the left, right is ready to crumble. Mount a triangle on the right 50-100' up to push water away from failing section.

    Bless the Dam workers, we are back to critical stage with monster river storms rolling in...

    As soon as this solar storm started, this storm grew huge...

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Oroville Update 7 March 2017 "Where's the Rebar?"
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    The Oroville dam youtube videos are a mess. Many of them are just getting new dates added, while the videos themselves can be up to a week or two old.
    blancolirio is the most trustworthy one I've found so far.
    His attitude is upbeat, and so may miss a lot of the concerns that others are focused on, but at least he doesn't sensationalize.

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Massive earthquake to hit the Pacific Northwest along the Cascadia fault line
    Published on Mar 7, 2017

    Dr. Michio Kaku concurs, and it is way overdue...

    He tweeted this today:
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    I will be on @CBS THIS MORNING at 7:36 AM EST today about the new earthquake threat to LA. Is it overdue?
    11 hours ago · Twitter
    Something that huge would be bound to affect the whole coast of CA. but of course, the San Andreas is overdue too.
    Southern California overdue for major earthquake, study says
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    Quote Geologists are out with a startling warning that Southern California is overdue for a major and possibly catastrophic earthquake. A new study says it's expected to hit along the San Andreas Fault north of Los Angeles. It could have a magnitude of 7.5 or higher. CBS News science and futurist contributor Michio Kaku, a physics professor at the City University of New York, joins "CBS This Morning" to discuss the threat..


    There is no way to know exactly when but the science of prediction has come a long way. What this means for the already failing infrastructure of CA. is scary.

    Here is Dutchsinse's latest update:
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    Ummm,

    Just popped over to see updates and noticed inflow has been lower than outflow...

    But water levels are still rising, doesn't show rainfall...

    Last night I watched a video where it said they are giving it 5 more feet before opening the spillway, for more time for repairs. 865'

    Current update says the are going to continue repairing main spillway through Fri, regardless of water levels. Right now I see less harm from the overflow than from main spillway...

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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-da....t8381/page-36
    They are expecting snow melt to raise levels, not just rain.
    Superb pictures of progress on this site, clearance of rubble, shotcrete broken end of spillway.
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    They haven't figured in underground spring water, as the snow pack grows, the melt is pouring into cracks, it is pumping up from inside the lake, from what I can figure, we are looking at~ 5000 fps that needs to be added to their info chart.

    When we reach 0 rise, we will know spring input.

    Add 5K to input to get actual, inches of rain needs translation to fps if you want to get exact info, using hourly rain figures instead of yearly totals is what is important.

    Call your Congress woman or one of Arnie's Girlymen and tell her we want California Best Dam Beer in the World to pay for our dam and waterworks projects.

    I'd buy a Dam Sparkling Snowflake water to help California if I was thirsty!!!
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    Default Re: Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

    This one is a couple of days old, but includes a lot of info and seems quite realistic to me, with some expert input from Paul Preston of Agenda 21 net radio https://paulprestona21r.podbean.com/2017/03/


    An update for today
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    Oroville Dam: Flows through power plant increased to maximum discharge rate

    By Chico Enterprise-Record Staff Reports | Mercury News
    PUBLISHED: March 10, 2017 at 8:07 am |
    UPDATED: March 10, 2017 at 8:46 am


    Cement mason Daniel Ogier Wednesday repairs depressions in the concrete main spillway of Oroville Dam. (Florence Low — California Department of Water Resources)

    Oroville – Water flows through the Hyatt Powerplant under Oroville Dam were increased to the plant’s maximum discharge rate Thursday, giving water officials another avenue to get water out of the reservoir outside of the damaged main spillway.

    Bill Croyle, acting director of the state Department of Water Resources, said releases through the hydroelectric plant would reach about 13,000 cubic-feet per second by Thursday evening. “That’s huge for us,” Croyle said, noting the importance of having “another dial” on the reservoir to manage the inflows into the lake and monitor work done at the debris channel below the damaged main spillway.

    Inflow to the lake was about 15,000 cfs at 4 p.m. Thursday, and it had been fluctuating between 3,500 and 8,000 cfs earlier in the day, according to DWR’s website.


    From left, Gregorio Roman, Alvaro Gonzalez and Ramiro Gonzalez repair cracks Wednesday just above the broken edge of the main concrete spillway of Oroville Dam. (Florence Low — California Department of Water Resources)

    The lake level was stabilizing at around 860 feet, 41 feet below the lip of the emergency spillway.

    Croyle said officials anticipate using the main spillway again around March 17, when the lake level reaches about 865 feet. He said the goal is to delay to use of the main spillway as long as possible to help with the ongoing removal of debris below that chute.

    He stressed that if officials need to use the main spillway earlier, they will. Once in use again, flows down the main spillway will be set at a rate of about 40,000 cfs. That would be in addition to the 13,000 cfs flowing through the power plant.

    That total of 53,000 cfs moving down the river would be “about one-third of the capacity of the flood control system downstream, so these are kind of typical flows that we would see with this kind of a wet season,” Croyle said.

    As warmer weather arrives, snow melt will reach the reservoir. Croyle said the sooner that happens, the sooner that water can be released, clearing the way for construction on a temporary or permanent solution for the damaged main spillway at the dam.

    Exactly what that solution will look like remained unknown, though Croyle noted that conversations with contractors have already begun.

    “Part of the question — is it going to be temporary, is it going to be permanent, how fast can we build it, do we have all the resources within the region or within the state or, frankly, the West Coast, to make sure that we can get this done,” he said. “What we need to get done, which is have an operational spillway before the next wet season.”

    Giving a rough estimate, Croyle said construction could start between late April and early June.

    At the base of the main spillway, work is continuing 24 hours a day to remove the debris from the Diversion Pool there. According to DWR, 715,000 cubic-yards of material has been removed from the pile that built up there when the spillway began to break up Feb. 7. The pile was initially estimated to include 1.7 million cubic-yards.

    Contractors are also continuing to fortify the hillside below the emergency spillway weir, where erosion Feb. 12 triggered evacuation orders impacting about 180,000 people.

    Crews are also working to reinforce the broken bottom lip of the main spillway.

    Road repairs on Canyon Drive are also underway. That road in east Oroville was badly damaged by heavy traffic responding to the spillway emergency.

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    This post could fit in a lot of places, but I'm putting it here because it's an interview with Bix Weir who has been talking a lot about Oroville, and so it's partially about the weather, but also about Fukushima (Clif says that the reactors have slid into the ocean, which was news to me), bitcoin, silver, gold, and much more, from 2 days ago


    I found this about Fukushima:
    https://www.truthorfiction.com/japan...falling-ocean/
    which says:
    Quote Japan’s Damaged Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor Falling into Ocean-Mostly Fiction!
    Summary of eRumor:

    Scientists in Japan have declared a state of emergency as a badly damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor began falling into the ocean.

    The Truth:

    There’s no truth to reports that Japan has declared a state of emergency as the badly damaged Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor began sliding into the ocean.

    But those false rumors were sparked by factual news reports about high radiation levels detected at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor in February 2017. Still, there weren’t any credible reports about Fukushima reactors falling into the ocean, or Japanese scientists on the verge of declaring a state of emergency.

    First, some background. An international nuclear incident unfolded in 2011 when an earthquake and subsequent tsunami disabled the power supply and cooling capabilities of Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactors, leading to high levels of radioactive discharge into the ocean over a six-day period. Recent research suggests Fukushima radiation continued to seep into the Pacific Ocean over the five years that followed the nuclear incident.

    Then, in February 2017, the Japanese publication Sankei News reported that the highest radiation levels since the 2011 nuclear incident had been detected at the Fukushima reactor, and that scientists believed that it was the result of a two-meter whole in metal grating beneath a pressure vessel in the reactor’s primary containment vessel.


    That report was picked up by RT, which accurately reported the story under the headline, “Record High Fatal Radiation Levels, Hole in Reactor Detected at Crippled Fukushima Nuclear Facility.”

    And from there, untrustworthy news sites combined those credible reports with claims that the Fukushima nuclear reactor was falling into the ocean — which aren’t true. One such story appeared at the website YourNewsWire.com, which filed a report under the headline, “Japan Declare Crisis As Fukushima Reactor Begins Falling Into Ocean.”

    A quick read of that report, however, reveals that the copy does not match the headline. There’s nothing in the story to support claims that the Fukushima nuclear was, in fact, falling into the ocean, or that Japanese officials were on the verge of declaring a state of emergency.

    And, while the situation at the Fukushima nuclear reactor has been alarming since 2011 — the Japanese Times outlined a far more measured response to the elevated radiation levels there involving use of a robot to better assess damage to the grate — and making no mention of the reactor sliding into the ocean or an imminent state of emergency:

    The discovery spells difficulty of removing the fuel debris to decommission at the plant. The government and Tepco hope to locate the fuel and start removing it in 2021.

    In the coming weeks, the utility plans to deploy a remote-controlled robot to check conditions inside the containment vessel, but the utility is likely to have to change its plan.

    For one thing, it will have to reconsider the route the robot takes into the interior because of the hole in the grating.

    Also, given the extraordinary level of radiation, the robot would only be able to operate for less than two hours before it is destroyed.

    That is because it is designed to withstand exposure of up to 1,000 sieverts. Based on the calculation of 73 sieverts per hour, the robot could run for more than 10 hours, but 530 sieverts per hour means it would be rendered inoperable in less than two hours.

    Tepco has been probing reactor 2’s containment vessel since last week.

    On Monday, it found a black mass deposited on the grating directly under the pressure vessel. The images, captured using a camera attached to a telescopic arm the same day, showed part of the grating was missing. Further analysis found the 2-meter hole in an area beyond the missing section on the structure.

    If the deposits are confirmed to be melted fuel, it would be the first time the utility has found any of it at the three reactors that suffered core meltdowns.

    So, while it’s true that the highest radiation levels were detected at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor in February 2017, reports that the Fukushima reactor is sliding into the ocean are false. That’s why we’re calling this one “mostly fiction.”
    ... though the truth about Fukushima is always slow to surface...

    Mods are welcome to move this elsewhere if they wish.
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    11 Areas Below Oroville Dam Under Evacuation Warnings
    (update: this could be fake news--I've not found any confirmation so far on the net)

    Published on Mar 10, 2017
    Areas in the Central Valley of CA. are sinking up to 2 feet per year.

    Also see:
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    Quote Just as Breitbart News predicted a little over a week ago, temperatures rising to the high 70s are causing an early spring snowmelt that is quickly filling Oroville Lake, causing the local sheriff to issue evacuation warnings for 11 areas downstream of the troubled Oroville Dam.
    Oroville Dam’s unstable and partially destroyed spillway has been closed since February 27 as dredging contractors at the bottom of the dam desperately try to carve a 1,500-feet-long by 150-feet-wide and 30-feet-deep emergency trench in the diversion pond to clear the Edward Hyatt power plant’s water intake pipes.

    Although heavy equipment operators have completed about 40 percent of the trench and opened two intake pipes that are now discharging 13,000 cubic feet of water per second, the water level rose in the last two days by 22 feet to within six feet of forcing an emergency reopening of the dam’s main spillway.

    Sheriff-Coroner Kory L. Honea has declared evacuation warnings for 11 zones in Butte County, including areas south of Lincoln Blvd for the towns of Oroville and Thermalito; all low-lying areas around the Feather River that include Gridley, Biggs, Yuba City and Loma Rica; and anywhere south of Butte County along the Feather River towards Sacramento.

    Due to the risk of a potential partial spillway collapse at America’s tallest dam on February 13, Sheriff Honea was declared a crisis and ordered a mandatory one-hour evacuation for 188,000 residents downstream from the dam. The Sheriff has promised that any future evacuation order would give residents 12 to 24 hours to flee.

    The National Weather Service is predicting that temperatures will jump from a high of 60 degrees earlier this week to an expected high of 78 degrees over the weekend, about 14 degrees higher than the average for this time of year. Then by mid-week, the Weather Service predicts a two-days of warm “Pineapple Express” monsoon rains will hit Oroville and the local mountains.

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has rated over 90 percent of California as experiencing an “Extreme Water Year.” Although Merced is the only river that is currently above flood stage, numerous points and contributories along the Sacramento and San Joaquin are already in the warning stage.

    The California Department of Water Resources estimates that “snow water equivalents” for the California snowpack for this time of year are a near record 190 percent for the Central Sierras; June 157 percent for the Northern Sierras; and 186 for the Southern Sierras.

    Normally, the highpoint for California’s 24 major reservoirs and lakes is during the peak snowmelt in late May to early June. The water levels in all but three are currently rated as “extreme above” their historic averages for this time of year. The combination of a snowmelt and storms will create river flooding and could unleash flood waters going over the dams.
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    I'm not sure if the info in the post just above is correct. I've been searching the net to find confirmation, but have not found any so far, so I think it's fake.
    This is the page for the Butte County Sheriff, where evacuation news is posted:
    https://www.buttecounty.net/sheriffcoroner/Home.aspx
    It does say:
    Quote Evacuation Warning in place for the following areas:
    Oroville and Thermalito, the areas south of Lincoln Blvd on the west side of Lincoln to Ophir Road.

    All low-lying areas around the Feather River, which includes Gridley, Biggs, Yuba City, Loma Rica, and anywhere south of Butte County along the River.

    Preparing for Evacuation - Stay Prepared
    But it doesn't appear that any emergency is currently being reported.
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    A 100 percent of normal isn't the same as capacity, here is a live feed that is current.



    Mark my words, if they turn main spillway up to 40k it will reverse the river so powerplant will once again be shut down...

    Take dynamite and blow the edge of the lower main spillway down to the big rockto keep flow moving forward instead of the left backing up the river.

    You need to rebuild a mountain with rock bags so you can stop the flow above the huge rock on the left
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    Oroville 10 March "What's Under The Oroville Dam?"
    Update from Juan Brown (on youtube he is blancolirio)

    Quote Published on Mar 11, 2017
    Part 1 of a detailed description of the Hyatt Power Plant and the River Valve Outlet System at the Oroville Dam.

    https://www.patreon.com/user?u=5295000
    Also one from tattoott1009 a cohort of Dutchsinse, who has been keeping a close eye on water levels in the reservoirs, the weather radar, HAARP rings, etc.
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