*Viewer warning* New video clips may show John Podesta torturing a child

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Remember that when you hear of 20 people being arrested here, 50 there, 500 somewhere else, for child trafficking or abuse, this is the kind of stuff they're talking about. It's hard to comprehend the human suffering entailed in all of this.

We really need awareness campaigns to draw attention to these crimes so we can stop them. The mainstream media isn't reporting on it, and they won't report on it, until they are forced to.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by LadyM (here)
I can't watch it. Everyone's response is enough warning for me to not click into it.

Wise decision, LadyM.

***

There’s no doubt that anyone that’s experienced trauma from emotional, physical and/or sexual abuse, it’ll come up front and center. Especially for those that’ve not learned the importance of doing the clearing work or are too broken to dig deep for the courage to do so.

For the controllers, it's another side benefit. When one’s unprocessed histories are unearthed, it may catapult them into fear state; pumped and primed for controllers and disinfo specialists to sow fear and to reinforce traumatic programing. Which in turn feeds chaos in the greater population and holds many captive in 3D reality.

Stated the obvious,
but it needed to be said.

***

[ I acknowledge that long sentence up there.]

[onawah]

I am reminded of what Catherine Austin Fitts said recently in an interview with Dark Journalist, when she stated that the question is, are we going to have a human society or an inhuman society?
I don't think we have to directly witness such acts of evil, as that causes trauma and fear, which are part of the problem; we just have to understand that this is what is happening, and to do whatever we can to help stop it.
But Goddess bless those investigators who are taking it upon themselves at ground zero to uncover and stop this unholy mess and dealing directly with the perpetrators.
The karmic rewards would have to be commensurate to the horror one is helping to cleanse, I would think, but you would have to be very, very strong to succeed without damaging yourself.
I pray there are enough strong souls here to deal with this effectively.
It makes the work that certain people do to cleanse the energies of the Holocaust in concentration camps look almost easy by comparison.
This is truly draining the planetary swamp,

[onawah]

Or that might have been this interview with Catherine:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i4lPBznVCJU

...or maybe both...

Published on Feb 11, 2017
How does Donald Trump win against the evil trying to stop his Administration? Financial expert Catherine Austin Fitts contends, “Trump wins by staying focused on the real issues. The U.S. economy needs a variety of things, including turning the federal budget around. . . . . The reality is the federal budget has a negative return to taxpayers. It’s got to be turned positive. . . . That comes down to tax reform, infrastructure and it comes down to Obama Care. . . . Trump is the Titanic Turner, and he needs to stick to the big issues. . . . He has to make sure the shriek-o- meter does not destroy his top lieutenants and put space between him and them. Otherwise, the pigs are going to step in and run things.”

In closing, Fitts says, “What’s killing this economy is corruption and lawlessness. That’s what’s killing the economy. We need to deal with these problems.”

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Catherine Austin Fitts, founder of “The Solari Report” on Solari.com.

All links can be found on USAWatchdog.com: http://usawatchdog.com/empire-strikes...

[DNA]

I just want to thank Purplelama and Runningdeer and others for their warnings. I trust you guys. If you guys say it is real and some efed up sh!t than that's all I need to know. Thank you guys for the warnings. Thank you

[A Voice from the Mountains]

If anybody is okay with hearing only the man speaking, and all other sounds removed (including all sounds from the child), people have already done that so that the voice can be compared to John Podesta's.

Voat thread: Here you go...ISOLATED adult voice (no child/safe to listen!) compared to Podesta's voice

That thread links to a YouTube video where isolated audio of the phrase "You think you're hot sh** don't ya?" is cropped out using the program Audacity, and it's then compared to a clip of John Podesta irritably telling James O'Keefe to "get lost."

The similarity between the voices is uncanny. They sound like the exact same person to me.

If this is an intentional intel leak targeting John Podesta then we should be seeing more of this kind of thing until justice is finally served. We could even start seeing similar things come out involving Bill Clinton and others, because there have been rumors for months that there are tapes of Bill Clinton out there doing unspeakable things, that were secretly recorded by Jeffrey Epstein on his plane and at his private island for blackmail purposes.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
If anybody is okay with hearing only the man speaking, and all other sounds removed (including all sounds from the child), people have already done that so that the voice can be compared to John Podesta's.

That was the first one I listened to and to me it did sound like Skippy-Boy. IIRC, the one where the guy video taped him on the sidewalk made for a good comparison, too.

[Ashy67]

I've had to leave this for 24 hours before coming back to it. This post has really affected me maybe on a psychic level more than conscious level but I'm glad 'a voice from the mountains ' posted it because only by shining a light on these hideous actions can we tackle them. My feeling like many others on this forum is that the child's suffering is real. Sometimes I am ashamed of being part of the human race but whilst this post makes me feel like that I know that there are far more fantastic human beings on earth, the strength of feeling on here shows me that. I know that there's a balance in the universe of positive and negative but still when you come across pure evil it's very shocking. I will be sending loving healing energy to all those who are being abused

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Somebody has enhanced the video to make it lighter, and now the child in the video can be seen much more clearly and it's really heartbreaking. Something is clearly causing that child pain and he/she isn't able to get out of the shower. There is no way to teach a kid that young to act so convincingly and I do not believe the video was faked. This is some serious stuff and somebody has leaked it on purpose. If anyone cares to see they can find it on Voat, just dig through recent threads there in the pizzagate subverse.

I feel like I need to start going to church or something. The kid looked like my little brother when we were growing up.

[betoobig]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
Somebody has enhanced the video to make it lighter, and now the child in the video can be seen much more clearly and it's really heartbreaking. Something is clearly causing that child pain and he/she isn't able to get out of the shower. There is no way to teach a kid that young to act so convincingly and I do not believe the video was faked. This is some serious stuff and somebody has leaked it on purpose. If anyone cares to see they can find it on Voat, just dig through recent threads there in the pizzagate subverse.

I feel like I need to start going to church or something. The kid looked like my little brother when we were growing up.

go to nature, that is the best church, becouse Vaticaners are in this **** too... they drink the blood of christ evryday, that is black magic, and it is done like nothing matters.
I did not see the video, the vibes of all this stuff is more tan enough to feel how sick this people is. This is being going on since humans where hijacked. Now time to purge....
as i walk in this thread tears pump up in my eyes. Enough is enough...snif...
Much love

[RunningDeer]

Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
I feel like I need to start going to church or something. The kid looked like my little brother when we were growing up.

I was raised catholic and attended a private catholic academy. In the early 1970's, I walked away from the church when after receiving communion, my ex-mother-in-law informed me that I can't because I'm divorced. I pointed out that I wasn't struck down nor should I be punished because I choose a life of happiness over pain and suffering. She went on with something about excommunication, blah, blah, blah.

My thoughts today? Church is where inorganic-feeder-gods prey while their conditioned subjects pray for forgiveness of venial and mortal sins from long ago fairy tales. The gods are ancient but they’re no more advanced in consciousness from those tricked into believing they are the saviors over sinners.

*****

Beside sending out into the airways to create change with others tout de suite, here’s information for those that’ve physically escape but still are haunted by the trauma. I’m about 90% finished with Cathy O’Brien’s, “PTSD: Time To Heal,”. It’s a small book but it is chock-full of suggestions and ah-ha dot connections. (book summary below)

A snippet from the video @ 36:18.

Daniel, a.k.a. Dark Journalist: If there is someone out there who’s in one of these programs, and I know there are different levels out there, like you said it’s a sliding scale with mind control, what kind of advice would you have for them?

Cathy O’Brien: They wouldn’t understand advice. They wouldn’t have the capacity to grasp it.

Daniel: I see. So while they are in that state, they can’t be reached with just advice.

Cathy O’Brien: If someone had come up to me while I was under mind control and said I was on under mind control I would have no ability to consciously grasp that reality to have done anything about it. So it takes people knowing and understanding the components of mind control. The fact that it is a sliding scale, … through “PTSD: Time To Heal,” it shows how people can help those that they love to be able to begin the journey back to reclaiming control over their own minds and life.

CATHY O’BRIEN & DARK JOURNALIST - CIA SEX SLAVE WHISTLEBLOWER
PROJECT MONARCH EXPOSED! - Part Two

Part One found here

Cathy OBrien's website: trance-formation.com

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G3UuO8ReJaE

Published on Feb 17, 2017

Visit: http://www.DarkJournalist.com

Cathy O'Brien MKULTRA Survivor

In this exhilarating and highly informative part 2 interview with MKULTRA Survivor Cathy O'Brien, Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt goes deep into her CIA MKULTRA mind control programming and the methods employed to keep her in a robotic state in order to carry out top secret black budget missions and sexual favors to politicians against her will.

Project Monarch
Cathy outlines some of her fascinating and disturbing experiences in the Project Monarch program and reveals how it targets young people through the music industry by creating zombified recording acts and electronic forms of brain entrainment via suggestion and hidden overtone harmonics that effect the brains neural pathways.

[complete summary here]

*****

“PTSD: Time To Heal,” by: Cathy OBrien, October 8, 2016

Their journey to release PTSD: Time to Heal has been politically strenuous until now! Positive change through public awareness and overwhelming global demand prompted this release of otherwise suppressed easy to follow step-by-step healing methods Mark taught Cathy for successfully reclaiming her mind and life after decades of torturous MK Ultra mind control.

Amazon Summary:
(The book is also available elsewhere.)

25 year veteran US Government Whistleblowers Mark and Cathy are arming you with the self-applying concise facts they teach leading mental health professionals worldwide. Whether your traumatic experience peaks the top of PTSD's sliding scale the way Cathy's Pentagon level MK Ultra mind control programming did; or is from the horrors of war; or even if it is simply resultant from socially engineered information control and fears, this book is for you. These step by step healing methods intelligence insider Mark Phillips taught Cathy can help anyone willing to reclaim control over their own mind and life just as she did.

Their journey to release PTSD: Time to Heal has been politically strenuous until now! Positive change through public awareness and overwhelming global demand prompted this release of otherwise suppressed easy to follow step-by-step healing methods Mark taught Cathy for successfully reclaiming her mind and life after decades of torturous MK Ultra mind control.

Since PTSD: Time to Heal is a workbook journal, it is not authorized in either eBook form or used copy. From it's cover to unconventional layout to insights within, PTSD: Time to Heal reverberates with introspective inspirations.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I wasn't thinking of the Catholic church but that's a good point. I guess the feeling I was trying to express is just penitence to a higher power. "Good versus evil" seems simplistic but I think it actually applies here. These people have crossed a serious line.

[onawah]

I don't think of Satanic abusers as humans beings, I think of them as human bodies who have been possessed by demonic beings from other dimensions. See my post here, the paragraphs in red letters:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1134865
Such beings can attack the innocent ( I know this from experience) as well as the guilty, but to be completely possessed by one may require a certain amount of complicity.
Though I have a hard time believing that anyone would consciously agree to being possessed if they actually understood what they were doing.
And that would certainly be a classic example of what the final, deadly price of spiritual ignorance is.

Posted by Ashy67 (here)
I've had to leave this for 24 hours before coming back to it. This post has really affected me maybe on a psychic level more than conscious level but I'm glad 'a voice from the mountains ' posted it because only by shining a light on these hideous actions can we tackle them. My feeling like many others on this forum is that the child's suffering is real. Sometimes I am ashamed of being part of the human race but whilst this post makes me feel like that I know that there are far more fantastic human beings on earth, the strength of feeling on here shows me that. I know that there's a balance in the universe of positive and negative but still when you come across pure evil it's very shocking. I will be sending loving healing energy to all those who are being abused

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Maybe that would explain this, onawah:

Then-First Lady Hillary Clinton spoke to the dead during seances, but refused to speak to Jesus Christ when her spiritual adviser suggested it, according to journalist Bob Woodward.

http://www.infowars.com/flashback-oc...eak-to-christ/

I don't strictly believe in any religion but I do believe that collective thoughts and feelings have a lot of creative power. The ideas and energies that Jesus represents (love, forgiveness, self-sacrifice, honoring a higher power, etc.) seem to be too much for some of these people. Then again it doesn't stop the Catholics, as has been pointed out, but they seem to be all about guilt and punishment.

[Chakra]

Posted by kirolak (here)
Is there any chance that all these things were staged in order to discredit Podesta for taking too close a look at UFOs? In either case, it makes me feel I just want out of this world. . .

That's what I was wondering about as well. Seems just a tad to fast and just getting more extreme - not to say that if the evidence is really there He should be in jail absolutely!
I am definitely not a fan of anyone - but he is rather too outspoken about UFO disclosure. And he is someone that has lots of clout if he chose to reveal what he really knows. So my take is if they can fake 911 - it would be super easy to fake everything else they have said about him.

Posting this article incase it disappears.

By Ben Wolfgang - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 16, 2016

"If the truth is out there, John Podesta’s private email may provide a road map to find it.
It’s no secret that the Hillary Clinton campaign chairman is a UFO buff, but the recent WikiLeaks dump of Mr. Podesta’s hacked account sheds new light on how deeply interested he is in extraterrestrial conspiracy theories.

Messages between Mr. Podesta and fellow alien enthusiasts — including a former Apollo astronaut and the guitarist of pop-punk band Blink 182 — came as a welcome surprise to UFO researchers. They are more convinced than ever that a Clinton administration would bring about the declassification of some of the federal government’s deepest secrets, including what really happened at Roswell, New Mexico; activities inside the notorious Area 51; and other pieces of a complex puzzle involving alien craft and space travel.

“There have been people within the community working with Podesta and the Clintons on the subject,” Jan Harzan, executive director of the Mutual UFO Network, told The Washington Times. “Just having the conversation is very positive to realize the subject is real, and these intelligences, wherever they’re from, visit us from time to time and we get reports on it. …

We’re delighted to see the conversation going on. Hopefully, it will wake people up to the fact that we’re not alone in the universe.”

Within Mr. Podesta’s private account is a trove of messages related to UFOs, aliens and conspiracies. Some are relatively benign, such as links to news stories about the return of the Fox TV show “The X-Files.”

But others show a much deeper level of interest, seemingly confirming Mr. Podesta’s stated desire for secret government documents to be made public. In one email, Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar D. Mitchell — the sixth man to set foot on the moon — tells Mr. Podesta that they should meet to discuss extraterrestrial intelligence and the supposed alien technology known as “zero-point energy.” His messages also hint that the Vatican is aware of and interested in alien life.

“It is urgent that we agree on a date and time to meet to discuss Disclosure and Zero Point Energy, at your earliest available [time] after your departure,” Mr. Mitchell said, referring to Mr. Podesta’s exit from the White House last year after serving as a counselor to President Obama.

“My Catholic colleague Terri Mansfield will be there too, to bring us up to date on the Vatican’s awareness of ETI,” Mr. Mitchell said in the January 2015 email.

In a follow-up message, the former astronaut delves even deeper into extraterrestrial intelligence.
“Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space,” he said.
Mitchell died in February.

Blink 182’s Tom DeLonge emailed Mr. Podesta to try to arrange a meeting with “important people” who had information about classified government programs.

“I would like to bring two very ‘important’ people out to meet you in DC,” the musician wrote in an October 2015 email. “I think you will find them very interesting, as they were principal leadership relating to our sensitive topic. Both were in charge of most fragile divisions, as it relates to Classified Science and DOD topics. Other words, these are A-level officials. Worth our time, and as well the investment to bring all the way to you.”

It does not appear that Mr. Podesta responded to the message, and it’s unclear whether the meeting ever took place. Indeed, the Clinton campaign chairman seems to have rarely, if ever, engaged in detailed conversations on the subject via email, though the messages from Mitchell, Mr. DeLonge and others show Mr. Podesta as a key ally in the fight for public disclosure of government UFO files.

In February 2015, Mr. Podesta made clear that he fought unsuccessfully to declassify UFO files while he was a part of the Obama administration.

“Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files. #thetruthisstilloutthere,” he said in a Twitter post.

If Mrs. Clinton wins the presidential election, Mr. Podesta could find success. Mrs. Clinton has said she wants to have the files declassified, and a Clinton administration with Mr. Podesta in a key leadership role seems to be the best chance in decades for the release of long-secret files.

“I would like us to go into those files and hopefully make as much of that [as] public as possible,” Mrs. Clinton said in March. “If there’s nothing there, let’s tell people there’s nothing there. And if there is something there, unless it’s a threat to national security, I think we ought to share it with the public.”

Mrs. Clinton’s key caveat, Mr. Harzan said, may be problematic because virtually everything involving secret space travel research and extraterrestrial life in some way could be tied to national security.

“This whole thing is national security. That’s why we’ve been lied to for 70 years. That’s why it’s been kept under wraps,” he said."

Don't think this would really piss some people off big time? What do most people find more vile and discussing than a pedophile? Thus humiliate, discredit, create doubt in public opinion. Pay off as many trolls as you can to spread stories. Till it takes on a life of its own.

[Noelle]

Posted by Chakra (here)

Posted by kirolak (here)
Is there any chance that all these things were staged in order to discredit Podesta for taking too close a look at UFOs? In either case, it makes me feel I just want out of this world. . .

That's what I was wondering about as well. Seems just a tad to fast and just getting more extreme - not to say that if the evidence is really there He should be in jail absolutely!
I am definitely not a fan of anyone - but he is rather too outspoken about UFO disclosure. And he is someone that has lots of clout if he chose to reveal what he really knows. So my take is if they can fake 911 - it would be super easy to fake everything else they have said about him.

Posting this article incase it disappears.

By Ben Wolfgang - The Washington Times - Sunday, October 16, 2016

"If the truth is out there, John Podesta’s private email may provide a road map to find it.
It’s no secret that the Hillary Clinton campaign chairman is a UFO buff, but the recent WikiLeaks dump of Mr. Podesta’s hacked account sheds new light on how deeply interested he is in extraterrestrial conspiracy theories.

Messages between Mr. Podesta and fellow alien enthusiasts — including a former Apollo astronaut and the guitarist of pop-punk band Blink 182 — came as a welcome surprise to UFO researchers. They are more convinced than ever that a Clinton administration would bring about the declassification of some of the federal government’s deepest secrets, including what really happened at Roswell, New Mexico; activities inside the notorious Area 51; and other pieces of a complex puzzle involving alien craft and space travel.

“There have been people within the community working with Podesta and the Clintons on the subject,” Jan Harzan, executive director of the Mutual UFO Network, told The Washington Times. “Just having the conversation is very positive to realize the subject is real, and these intelligences, wherever they’re from, visit us from time to time and we get reports on it. …

We’re delighted to see the conversation going on. Hopefully, it will wake people up to the fact that we’re not alone in the universe.”

Within Mr. Podesta’s private account is a trove of messages related to UFOs, aliens and conspiracies. Some are relatively benign, such as links to news stories about the return of the Fox TV show “The X-Files.”

But others show a much deeper level of interest, seemingly confirming Mr. Podesta’s stated desire for secret government documents to be made public. In one email, Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar D. Mitchell — the sixth man to set foot on the moon — tells Mr. Podesta that they should meet to discuss extraterrestrial intelligence and the supposed alien technology known as “zero-point energy.” His messages also hint that the Vatican is aware of and interested in alien life.

“It is urgent that we agree on a date and time to meet to discuss Disclosure and Zero Point Energy, at your earliest available [time] after your departure,” Mr. Mitchell said, referring to Mr. Podesta’s exit from the White House last year after serving as a counselor to President Obama.

“My Catholic colleague Terri Mansfield will be there too, to bring us up to date on the Vatican’s awareness of ETI,” Mr. Mitchell said in the January 2015 email.

In a follow-up message, the former astronaut delves even deeper into extraterrestrial intelligence.
“Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space,” he said.
Mitchell died in February.

Blink 182’s Tom DeLonge emailed Mr. Podesta to try to arrange a meeting with “important people” who had information about classified government programs.

“I would like to bring two very ‘important’ people out to meet you in DC,” the musician wrote in an October 2015 email. “I think you will find them very interesting, as they were principal leadership relating to our sensitive topic. Both were in charge of most fragile divisions, as it relates to Classified Science and DOD topics. Other words, these are A-level officials. Worth our time, and as well the investment to bring all the way to you.”

It does not appear that Mr. Podesta responded to the message, and it’s unclear whether the meeting ever took place. Indeed, the Clinton campaign chairman seems to have rarely, if ever, engaged in detailed conversations on the subject via email, though the messages from Mitchell, Mr. DeLonge and others show Mr. Podesta as a key ally in the fight for public disclosure of government UFO files.

In February 2015, Mr. Podesta made clear that he fought unsuccessfully to declassify UFO files while he was a part of the Obama administration.

“Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files. #thetruthisstilloutthere,” he said in a Twitter post.

If Mrs. Clinton wins the presidential election, Mr. Podesta could find success. Mrs. Clinton has said she wants to have the files declassified, and a Clinton administration with Mr. Podesta in a key leadership role seems to be the best chance in decades for the release of long-secret files.

“I would like us to go into those files and hopefully make as much of that [as] public as possible,” Mrs. Clinton said in March. “If there’s nothing there, let’s tell people there’s nothing there. And if there is something there, unless it’s a threat to national security, I think we ought to share it with the public.”

Mrs. Clinton’s key caveat, Mr. Harzan said, may be problematic because virtually everything involving secret space travel research and extraterrestrial life in some way could be tied to national security.

“This whole thing is national security. That’s why we’ve been lied to for 70 years. That’s why it’s been kept under wraps,” he said."

Don't think this would really piss some people off big time? What do most people find more vile and discussing than a pedophile? Thus humiliate, discredit, create doubt in public opinion. Pay off as many trolls as you can to spread stories. Till it takes on a life of its own.

I suppose we can also question his motives behind pushing for disclosure? Could it not be a distraction or a tactic to win himself a more favorable opinion among those or confuse those who are researching his alleged darker side.

[Atlas]

Posted by LadyM (here)
Could it not be a distraction or a tactic to win himself a more favorable opinion among those or confuse those who are researching his alleged darker side.

What's for sure is that the photo in OP is not Podesta, and another sure thing is that you can find hardcore pedophilia on the clear web, I can show you some but your brain will hurt even more than all that you read in this thread so far.

[Desire]

I do not think it is a problem to INTEND evil like him to be eliminated from our existence I want him gone.

[Chakra]

Posted by LadyM (here)

Posted by Chakra (here)

Posted by kirolak (here)
Is there any chance that all these things were staged in order to discredit Podesta for taking too close a look at UFOs? In either case, it makes me feel I just want out of this world. . .

That's what I was wondering about as well. Seems just a tad to fast and just getting more extreme - not to say that if the evidence is really there He should be in jail absolutely!
I am definitely not a fan of anyone - but he is rather too outspoken about UFO disclosure. And he is someone that has lots of clout if he chose to reveal what he really knows. So my take is if they can fake 911 - it would be super easy to fake everything else they have said about him.

Don't think this would really piss some people off big time? What do most people find more vile and discussing than a pedophile? Thus humiliate, discredit, create doubt in public opinion. Pay off as many trolls as you can to spread stories. Till it takes on a life of its own.

I suppose we can also question his motives behind pushing for disclosure? Could it not be a distraction or a tactic to win himself a more favorable opinion among those or confuse those who are researching his alleged darker side.

I seriously doubt any attempt at aligning himself with a statistically very small group of people generally already considered nutballs, a group of people that are ALWAYS being discredited, maligned, disparaged and generally thought of as crack pots, in anyway shape or form will make himself look favorable in ANYONES eyes.

Besides he has wanted disclosure way way before all this came out.
History of Postesta / UFO interest

Again I am in no way defending him in anyway - just looking at all the factors. Just like with the Women's protests, I saw right away the protests had big money behind them. There was an agenda - Soros.

[Chakra]

Posted by Atlas (here)

Posted by LadyM (here)
Could it not be a distraction or a tactic to win himself a more favorable opinion among those or confuse those who are researching his alleged darker side.

What's for sure is that the photo in OP is not Podesta, and another sure thing is that you can find hardcore pedophilia on the clear web, I can show you some but your brain will hurt even more than all that you read in this thread so far.

Didn't see the photo - not in the right head space to deal with it right now but thanks for that info.

Working in the film industry I know that you can pretty much do anything you want, especially with green screen, and get people to believe anything you want when editing stuff together. So I am extremely skeptical with anything visual. Anything now a days can be so easily faked. The Boston thing was one of the (best) worse example of bad film making yet. lol