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    Default Re: Does Intelligent Design = Intelligent Creator?

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    Here I am going to quote from a scientist who chose to withdraw from The System & went into hiding. I quote from The Blue Planet Project.

    " ... "

    I am no longer in possession of this book, but I do remember I had quite a time trying to buy it after I heard it mentioned on the History Channel!
    If I have this right, the bulk of it may be here:
    The author is cited as 'O.H. Krill', but it was actually co-written by John Lear and John Grace ('Valdemar Valerian'). It was Grace (as Valerian) who complied the 'Matrix' series of books:
    That's not to say that any of this is incorrect... Lear and Grace knew a lot of stuff.

    Re Intelligent Design, I'm pretty convinced that this was indeed the driving force behind the extraordinary biosphere we have on Planet Earth. But it's far more like someone's giant science project (maybe ourselves included). For the 'Intelligent Creator', we may have to look no further than a race (or maybe a number of races) of extremely advanced ET scientists.
    It makes a lot of sense to me that we are some advanced ETs' giant science experiment. This would explain the seeming indifference to what's happening down here in terms of human suffering. If we are simply "ants" or some (perceived as) lower life form, perhaps it is impossible to feel compassion or sympathy for the wars, genocides, murders, rapes, every day suffering etc. that occur here -- and perhaps maybe some of these events are even artificially introduced/induced to test our responses to these traumatic events? And if this is the case, perhaps those higher ET scientists are also someone else's science experiment, and so on and so on....Intelligent design doesn't necessarily mean ethical design....at least from the subjects' perspective.
    ...Intelligent design doesn't necessarily mean ethical design

    imho, it is our job, by choice, to bring the 'ethical design' to fruition through our very thoughts and deeds now...brought to culmination by our personal life changing experiences that we simply have to share(each in our own way) and help the 'now' awareness all around us!

    Thank You Starlight and All : )

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    I wonder if we are programmed to recognize order & chaos, & to assume that Order is the Ethical & Chaos the "non-ethical" ?

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    Let's take our genetic code for an example. By definition, codes don't naturally occur - they have to be intelligently designed.
    The Intelligent Creator in that case could foreseeably be an advanced alien lifeform.
    But what about the sun and stars? The planets? Did aliens have a part in that too? Somehow I doubt it.
    We know there was a Big Bang - but did it come from nothing? Somehow I doubt that too.

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    Just wondering if someone could explain to a Clueless Grandmother what Euler's equation IS.... what the symbols means? I have SO appreciated the patience & caring from those on the Forum.

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    Still wondering!

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    Default Re: Does Intelligent Design = Intelligent Creator?

    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    Just wondering if someone could explain to a Clueless Grandmother what Euler's equation IS.... what the symbols means? I have SO appreciated the patience & caring from those on the Forum.
    Hi Foxie Loxie....Wishing You Well !

    Euler's Mathematical Beauty Equation simply means to me...
    Infinity Now!!!

    Co-Creating Life to the Highest and Fullest...Humbly and Gratefully! : )

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%...matical_beauty



    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1136476

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    I believe in intelligent design by extraterrestrials, not an omnipotent divine creator. It is my view that belief in God is a thing that primitive races do in the cosmic scheme of things. A classic cosmicly engineered strategic psyop to get people to rely on a higher power for everything. Lets Pray instead of taking action. Sounds like the new age instead it's lets meditate or send energy remotely instead of taking real action.

    I have always been a heretic. Ever since I found out I was an atheist, I try to not take offense to people's ignorant comments about atheism. I guess it's justifiable because the moronic demographic of atheists are the focus. I've learned that atheism leads to persecution and judgmental people attacking you. I guess it is the same as all other belief systems, but i still don't like it. It's almost as if atheism is a bad word, and something you just don't mention to people unless you are feeling ballsy...

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    Thanks, eaglespirit & Omnisense for responding. I do not have a mathematical mind so I had no clue what you all were talking about! That we are Co-Creators, I can understand. I have often thought that it matters not what any of us BELIEVE; what matters is what IS....but none of us really know that either, correct?!

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    IF we stop and think about what might be the answer to the question "what is the meaning of everything?" we can twist and turn our minds around a lot of concepts. Intelligent design pops up in so many different theories. Mathematical theories, Physics theories, Religious theories and likely many others.

    If we are more honest with ourselves, we will see that everything we know, whether it be words and languages or beliefs and faiths. Whether it be educated facts or wild theories. Whether we aspire or consider ourselves to be anything at all. Doctors or artists. Engineers or construction workers. Plumbers or cooks. It doesn't matter what it is we consider... We are considering it through someone else's rules, someone else's roles, someone else's labels, someone else's thoughts. We are all more clearly supporting characters in someone else's reality than we are co-creators of our own realities. This is the great fraud of the system. We are fooled into believing we possess types of freedoms when we really only ever have choices that are predefined by someone else. That is slavery and not freedom. It is likely that this is all by design.

    We are most likely occupying someone else's intelligent design space. We may have the ability to break free and become co-creators of our own reality BUT we may be only bit players with no real say in the outcome of major shifts in our global well-being. It's mind blowing to consider it either way.

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    Very well put, Karma Ninja! For me, at my age, it blows my mind to think that my entire life has been "wasted" within someone else's playing field! I think that is what people like David Icke are trying to do....wake us up to what is REALLY going on & what we have been a part of. Who knew we are actually multidimensional beings capable of "unplugging" from the control system, to a certain extent?!

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    Quote Posted by gord (here)
    To me, this is evidence of intelligent design.



    Leonhard Euler discovered it. Who created it?
    I came across this just now, and had to post it.

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    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    Here I am going to quote from a scientist who chose to withdraw from The System & went into hiding. I quote from The Blue Planet Project.

    "THE SOURCE has to be a form of intelligent energy operating at the highest possible point of the Frequency Spectrum. If such an energy exists at all, it might permeate the Universe & maintain equal control of each component part. Because of its very high frequency, so high that the energy particles are virtually standing still, the Source has no need to replenish itself in any way that would be acceptable to our environmental sciences. It could actually create & destroy matter by manipulating the lower energies. It would be timeless, because it exists beyond all time fields. It would be infinite because it is not confined by Three-Dimensional Space.

    Perhaps if we were in a pure energy state, each particle of energy would itself serve as a synapse, & information could be stored by a slight alteration in frequency....no complex circuitry would be required, & no physical body would be necessary either. The energy patterns would not need material form, it instead would permeate the entire Universe. ...impulse of low energy passing through your brain. If it were so desired, it would control those pulses & thus control your thoughts."

    I am no longer in possession of this book, but I do remember I had quite a time trying to buy it after I heard it mentioned on the History Channel!

    This post by dear Foxie Loxie contains what may be the most accurate description of the power and source of creation that I have ever heard.

    Therefore, bumpety bump.

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    I wonder if we are programmed to recognize order & chaos, & to assume that Order is the Ethical & Chaos the "non-ethical" ?
    Chaos is dead and unliving.
    Order is also dead and unlinving.

    Life is the thing that is stretched between them.

    Neither book end supports life or growth, or change, or difference, or differential.

    All those things require order and chaos to be the bookends. Life can only exist as a form of contrast, a differential, discernment itself....and contrast can only exist between order and chaos.

    One might even say that perfect order had a smashing, destructive form of chaos introduced into it, or that order was disrupted and could decay into chaos. Whatever the case, both order and chaos are required for life to exist.

    We can strive for one or the other, yes, we can strive toward order if we perceive that we have come from chaos. but I'm not sure that moving from chaos to order is anything but a motion, the motion in the range of life, this all being the life and reality itself.

    All of existence is built on the concept and 'reality' of differential, differential that can only come into being via the existence of the two bookends--in the same space. Perfect order would allow for none of that. Perfect chaos would allow for none of that. Therefore...

    One can even say that the idea of order, to strive, is tied to the origins of simple organisms and their self replication. Not exactly god, or whatnot, but wholly in the depth and reach of it, the idea of the bones themselves, and in every living thing on this earth.

    If we encounter something other than DNA, then we may see what we might think of, in the depth of us to be - 'unholy.' A fear so deep and permeating that it would be indescribable and previously unknown.
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