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    According to Yahoo financial news information - The "Swamp" has a lot of money backing this company

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    ZoSo925 https://twitter.com/drstevengreer/st...024512?lang=en

    Cats share 90% of their homologous DNA with humans. Does that make a cat, human?

    Unusual ancient skeletons are popping up in a number of places ZoSo925.
    http://forgottenorigin.com/before-th...d-in-australia
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    I am just watching the Steven Speilberg series "TAKEN", (2002).

    Episode 5, "Maintenance". 41minutes, 45 seconds.

    The Agent from the Airforce has come to abduct an abductee, with the help of a doctor that was meant to remove the implant in the abductees head. Instead, the doctor turned him over to the authorities who want the abductee for his importance to the Grey's. There is a moment when the abductee in drugged and unconscious and the agent and doctor are talking.

    The Agent says to the doctor and to himself,

    "These beings, these aliens, they're us! Same genetic makeup, at least... so far"

    The doctor responds....

    "The same could be said about the fruitfly"

    And the Agent responds with,

    "Maybe that's the point!"

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    Yes, the other month I saw a few on Facebook also. Recently bunch have popped up. The one I saw had a woman from South America and the post and comments were all in Spanish.

    Wish I could dig up the photo but something seemed wrong with it. The eye sockets did not match up. Like 1 eye was a different size and the rim edging was shaped differently than other eye.

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    It dawned on me. Aside from DNA samples, what about Bone Marrow samples ?

    I've got a feeling DNA can be manipulated and could have been sprayed on or part of the material it was made from ? There should be other tests aside from DNA, like Bone Marrow tests that can confirm things.

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    It dawned on me. Aside from DNA samples, what about Bone Marrow samples ?

    I've got a feeling DNA can be manipulated and could have been sprayed on or part of the material it was made from ? There should be other tests aside from DNA, like Bone Marrow tests that can confirm things.
    What do you expect to find in a bone marrow sample? Presumably DNA. In any case, in ancient bodies DNA is usually taken from inside teeth.

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    I'll just focus on this skeleton for example. These 2 Skeletons do not look real and I watched this episode and everything about it seemed off, even the man dressed up.

    DNA seems to be a very broad term like Music. I'm not an expert in this field but the current DNA testing is rather new and during the 1994 OJ Simpson Murder Trial, DNA testing was rather new and there was a huge debate over this. What I'm trying to get at with Bone Marrow is what about the history of scientific testing long before the phrase DNA testing ? There was always some sort of Bone Marrow grafting and testing. I don't really see ground breaking news or multiple reports that cover every angle to points to point towards a solid conclusion.

    I can understand people not trusting National Geographic or Smithsonian, but these are 100+ year old organizations and would have tons and tons of former employees of these organizations and former experts that would run and try to work with GaiaTV; -



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    A couple of follow up articles from the Express......


    THE EXPRESS.....

    'WORLD CHANGING' Mummified 'aliens found in Nazca tomb were alive' claim scientists

    MUMMIFIED three-fingered and three-toed bodies allegedly found in a tomb in Peru once
    walked the Earth as non-human beings, it has staggeringly been claimed.



    By Jon Austin
    PUBLISHED: 07:18, Thu, Feb 8, 2018 | UPDATED: 07:48, Thu, Feb 8, 2018


    Scientists working on a project to prove that our ancient ancestors may have been visited by
    aliens have made the "world changing" claims in a video.Last June claims emerged several
    bizarre mummified so-called alien bodies were found in a remote tomb in Nazca, Peru.

    Mainstream scientists and archaeologists branded it a sick hoax, saying the bodies had been
    created using genuine mummified human remains from the area that had been dug up by grave
    robbers.However, a team of researchers and scientists working with conspiracy theory website
    Gaia.com have continued to examine the corpses and claim they have now proved they are not
    reconstructed hoaxes, and the creatures once walked the Earth as they appear.

    The most bizarre mummies are three short humanoids, said to have reptilian skin, alien-like heads,
    and three fingers and toes.Dr Raymundo Salas Alfaro, a Peruvian radiologist, who is part of the
    team, has put his reputation on the line to say they were once alive, after looking at CAT scan results.

    He said: "Each of three small specimens has been analysed and bone density belong to that of a living being.

    “The preservation is amazing, it is really surprising, especially the bone parts of these small creatures.

    "You see that, the base of the skull has its own characteristics.

    "We can scientifically prove the skull of these creatures have a cranial cavity similar to humans, but they
    have some strong differences.

    read more...https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird...say-scientists


    =================================================
    =================================================

    The usual tease .....

    Quote He said: "I do... and it's a hell of a story. We got there in the end, but not
    exactly what we thought. "Sorry for the cryptic stuff, but we will reveal all to you
    on completion."Parts two and three videos of our documentary are in production."


    THE EXPRESS....

    NAZCA TOMB MYSTERY: What happened to them? Wall of silence over 'alien mummies'

    RESEARCHERS investigating the case of alleged alien mummies found in a tomb in
    Peru have seemingly gone silent about the case for months. The Gaia.com team
    was posting video updates about its ‘Unearthing Nazca’ investigation repeatedly
    from the summer.


    By Jon Austin
    PUBLISHED: 18:21, Fri, Feb 9, 2018 | UPDATED: 18:34, Fri, Feb 9, 2018

    Its sixth and last video featured scientists claiming six three-fingered and toed
    apparent corpses reportedly found in an ancient crypt in Nazca, Peru, had once
    been alive and walked the Earth.

    The video, released in September, promised more news with the narrator
    saying: "Coming up, will DNA sequencing finally reveal the nature of these
    mummies? Plus further study of the elemental composition from the samples
    taken."

    Steve Mera is a British based UFO investigator, who is not part of the Gaia.com
    team, but jetted to Peru to make his own documentary about the mummies shown
    on YouTube.

    He also promised further instalments after releasing one video in August.

    Express.co.uk contacted him to see if he knew why Gaia.com went quiet.

    He said: "I do... and it's a hell of a story. We got there in the end, but not exactly
    what we thought.


    read more...
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird...lence-Giam-com
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    Aprox 32 mins in they start discussing the NASCA mummy and their sessions
    showed the body was real and he explains to Kerry....You either believe in this
    or you don't best to listen and decide for yourself if you are interested.



    Streamed live on 22 Feb 2018
    I interview Remote Viewer, Brett Stuart about Troika and Technical Intuition
    sites and the various topics of his and his team's explorations in consciousness.
    Various topics are : latest webinars, Nazca Aliens, Red Dog (Ascension chair
    / ancient artifact, responsible remote viewing with a conscience and more.
    Go here for more info: https://www.technicalintuition.com/
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    Just learned of this fascinating discovery/hoax today, a few terrible articles floating around - the below link was the best I could find (:

    http://www.collective-evolution.com/...eve-ever-seen/

    Summary:

    - 23 chromosomes found in genetic material
    - Internal organs present and intact
    - White powder coating is cadmium chloride (apparently an anti-bacterial)
    - Fingers and bones are a part of the skeleton (same dna) and not artificial additions.
    - Dated 249-411 AD

    Preservation of internal organs is a little hard to fathom, but perhaps there is a precedent from other mummies?

    I initially thought this was a modern mock-up, a dummy. But we have a duty to look closer. Are the scientists blatantly lying? Are any credible archaeologists involved? I have not looked too deeply into this at this point (although I lean towards thinking its a hoax for a number of reasons). Just posting this as an update.
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    Well this gives another (more informed?) view:

    http://www.iflscience.com/editors-bl...-not-an-alien/

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    Based on the link Nick provided it does not look as if the people involved with this have any credibility at all (not surprising - given the manner of the investigation). Does the mummy/dummy actually have any human remains inside it? If so then somewhere some laws have probably been broken. The hoax story might be nearly as interesting as if it was a real mummy.

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    Jay starts off by saying they gave samples to 4 different labs in for different
    countries and the results have come back that this creature is new type of
    species. Jeff mentions the article below and they discuss it and Jay explains
    his thoughts that you can only stay open minded at this stage unless you
    have already come to your own conclusions with the evidence so far.......

    Later Jay explains how he came to be introduced to the mummy and his
    reaction also the procedures they took and found Maria to be a new species...


    RT Articles....

    'Alien' mummies from Peru have human chromosome numbers, but not anatomy – scientists
    Published time: 13 Mar, 2018 03:26 ..Edited time: 15 Mar, 2018 00:09

    Russian researchers have analyzed tissue samples from one of the mysterious alien
    creatures uncovered in Peru last year. The mummy, with an elongated skull and
    only three fingers, has excited ufologists since its discovery.

    EDITORIAL NOTE: This story has been updated with information on Konstantin
    Korotkov's questionable past research to give readers a better perspective on his
    claims about the Peruvian mummies.

    Preliminary analysis of the tissue samples revealed that the mummy, found in a
    tomb near the Nazca lines of Peru and named Maria, is a “humanoid being” with 23
    pairs of chromosomes – so far, so human. It dates back to about the 5th century
    AD, a full millennium before Europeans discovered America.

    A professor of the National Research University in St. Petersburg, Konstantin
    Korotkov, and Natalya Zaloznaya, radiologist and specialist in computer
    tomography at the International Biological Systems Institute, collected the tissue
    samples in Peru and brought them back to St. Petersburg for analysis

    Read more...https://www.rt.com/news/421098-peru-alien-mummy-dna/



    Jeff & Jay Weidner - 3 Fingered ET Mummy Found In Peru



    Published on 17 Mar 2018
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    I think we already know this ? but as my mind is on other political topics I
    cannot remember... The main reason for posting is it is on the
    main BBC headline page which is odd for a story like this......




    Origin of 'six-inch mummy' confirmed

    2 hours ago...22/3/18


    The genome study uncovers possible reasons for the skeleton's unusual features

    Tests on a six-inch-long mummified skeleton from Chile confirm that it represents
    the remains of a newborn with multiple mutations in key genes.Despite being the
    size of a foetus, initial tests had suggested the bones were of a child aged six to
    eight.These highly unusual features prompted wild speculation about its origin.

    Now, DNA testing indicates that the estimated age of the bones and other
    anomalies may have been a result of the genetic mutations.Details of the work
    have been published in the journal Genome Research.

    In addition to its exceptionally small height, the skeleton had several unusual
    physical features, such as fewer than expected ribs and a cone-shaped head.
    The remains were initially discovered in a pouch in the abandoned nitrate mining
    town of La Noria. From there, they found their way into a private collection in Spain.

    Some wondered whether the remains, dubbed Ata after the Atacama region where
    they were discovered, could in fact be the remains of a non-human primate. A
    documentary, called Sirius, even suggested it could be evidence of alien visitations.


    read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43489246
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    An interesting discussion between Jay Weidner and Jeff Rense. Weidner expresses disappointment and bafflement that the alt community hasn't taken the story to their hearts, and Rense suggests that all the nay-sayers must surely be paid shills. Weidner responds that he can't understand the Cabal's need to silence the three-fingered mummy claims.

    But neither can understand the dynamics at play here.

    As Cidersomerset pointed out immediately above (in the post following the Weidner-Rense video), the tiny being showcased in the documentary Sirius now seems to have been a highly strange, deformed human. (That's been authoritatively stated before, of course.) False claims like that — by Steven Greer et al — don't help Weidner one bit. Neither seems to make, or be aware of, the connection.

    Then, there's the Corey Goode saga, which Gaia have milked for all the $$ they could. Weidner bears a great deal of responsibility for that, and he's made himself look very foolish. Neither he nor Rense go there, to talk about the need for impeccable reputation in what Weidner keeps referring to as 'science'.

    There's an even bigger picture, which the above mini-dramas have all contributed to. We see that in the widespread reaction to Tom DeLonge and the three unimpressive videos so far released to the media, amid (a) VERY poor marketing skill or awareness, and (b) much hype of totally the wrong kind.

    The result has been a series of big yawns from almost everyone paying any attention.

    What does this all mean? Both the alt community AND the mainstream community are strangely united in being tired, to the point of sometimes numbed exhaustion, of falsehoods, unintelligence, errors, exaggeration, the ego-driven cult of celebrity, and the contamination of legitimate research areas by fraudsters and showmen.

    Fake news, in other words. And as in the Wolf Wolf story, what's real gets ignored.

    If I had the fortune to take a really good photo of the Wawa Grande (Ecuador's Bigfoot: see this thread) — I think I might well keep it to myself.
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

    An interesting discussion between Jay Weidner and Jeff Rense. Weidner expresses disappointment and bafflement that the alt community hasn't taken the story to their hearts, and Rense suggests that all the nay-sayers must surely be paid shills. Weidner responds that he can't understand the Cabal's need to silence the three-fingered mummy claims.

    But neither can understand the dynamics at play here.

    As Cidersomerset pointed out immediately above (in the post following the Weidner-Rense video), the tiny being showcased in the documentary Sirius now seems to have been a highly strange, deformed human. (That's been authoritatively stated before, of course.) False claims like that — by Steven Greer et al — don't help Weidner one bit. Neither seems to make, or be aware of, the connection.

    Then, there's the Corey Goode saga, which Gaia have milked for all the $$ they could. Weidner bears a great deal of responsibility for that, and he's made himself look very foolish. Neither he nor Rense go there, to talk about the need for impeccable reputation in what Weidner keeps referring to as 'science'.

    There's an even bigger picture, which the above mini-dramas have all contributed to. We see that in the widespread reaction to Tom DeLonge and the three unimpressive videos so far released to the media, amid (a) VERY poor marketing skill or awareness, and (b) much hype of totally the wrong kind.

    The result has been a series of big yawns from almost everyone paying any attention.

    What does this all mean? Both the alt community AND the mainstream community are strangely united in being tired, to the point of sometimes numbed exhaustion, of falsehoods, unintelligence, errors, exaggeration, the ego-driven cult of celebrity, and the contamination of legitimate research areas by fraudsters and showmen.

    Fake news, in other words. And as in the Wolf Wolf story, what's real gets ignored.

    If I had the fortune to take a really good photo of the Wawa Grande (Ecuador's Bigfoot: see this thread) — I think I might well keep it to myself.
    Very well said! Jay may be a very nice person, and his company is unfortunately now associated with some very poor public image disasters. One after another.

    His commentary about the cabal’s need to silence the 3 fingered mummy sounds like it comes right out of David wilcock’s next blog post. Gaia employee as well. And now Jaime moussan is associated with Gaia as well.. and therefore Jay. They keep digging this credibility hole for themselves. Since they are in the entertainment business, they’re not selling truth— and Jay seems to have forgotten about the public BS detector.



    Bill, I have high hopes that you’ll take a great photo of Wawa Grande

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    A request for an update from anyone with a Gaia subscription.

    Is it known what the current Gaia position is on this?

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    Quote A request for an update from anyone with a Gaia subscription.
    Is it known what the current Gaia position is on this?
    They still seem optimistic this may not be human or a hoax , but could be a
    sub species or something else ?....


    There's a 16 min update vid on link below from Gaia web page dated June 2018...

    Update 7: The Next Sequence

    Unearthing Nazca..June 2018S1:Ep9....16 min vid on link...
    https://www.gaia.com/video/update-7-...player=feature

    ====================================================
    ====================================================

    This is different from vid on link above....

    Nazca | DNA Results + Debunking The Headlines


    Published on 1 Jun 2018
    Watch the full update on the new DNA results here: https://bit.ly/2HbQ1kO

    New DNA results are in on the Nazca mummies. While a number of publications
    have claimed to know the truth about these three-fingered beings, the actual
    research is still in progress... and the preliminary results are incredible.
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    I think we already know this ? but as my mind is on other political topics I
    cannot remember... The main reason for posting is it is on the
    main BBC headline page which is odd for a story like this......




    Origin of 'six-inch mummy' confirmed

    2 hours ago...22/3/18


    The genome study uncovers possible reasons for the skeleton's unusual features

    Tests on a six-inch-long mummified skeleton from Chile confirm that it represents
    the remains of a newborn with multiple mutations in key genes.Despite being the
    size of a foetus, initial tests had suggested the bones were of a child aged six to
    eight.These highly unusual features prompted wild speculation about its origin.

    Now, DNA testing indicates that the estimated age of the bones and other
    anomalies may have been a result of the genetic mutations.Details of the work
    have been published in the journal Genome Research.

    In addition to its exceptionally small height, the skeleton had several unusual
    physical features, such as fewer than expected ribs and a cone-shaped head.
    The remains were initially discovered in a pouch in the abandoned nitrate mining
    town of La Noria. From there, they found their way into a private collection in Spain.

    Some wondered whether the remains, dubbed Ata after the Atacama region where
    they were discovered, could in fact be the remains of a non-human primate. A
    documentary, called Sirius, even suggested it could be evidence of alien visitations.


    read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43489246

    Experts Say Recent ‘Alien’ Mummy Study Was Deeply Flawed and Unethical

    Earlier this year, scientists from Stanford University in the US concluded that a strange skeleton known as the Atacama Mummy belonged to a human girl whose physical malformations were the result of several severe genetic mutations. A team of international experts is now questioning these findings, and accusing the scientists of breaching standard research ethics.
    The Atacama Mummy, or Ata as it’s known, was discovered 15 years ago in a deserted Chilean town in the Atacama Desert. The specimen is only about six inches long, it’s missing a pair of ribs, and it has a highly deformed head and face. Naturally, some UFOlogists figured the mummy was of extraterrestrial origin, prompting its appearance in a short documentary.
    Scientific research suggested otherwise. A 2013 paper led by Garry Nolan, an immunologist at Stanford University, concluded that Ata was human, and that the skeleton’s bones gave the impression that it was between the age of six and eight years old when it died, though such an age would have be impossible. Earlier this year, Nolan, along with colleague Atul Butte, director of the Institute for Computational Health Sciences at the University of California-San Francisco, conducted a follow-up analysis. This paper, published in the science journal Genome Research, presented evidence showing that a series of genetic mutations were responsible for the strange features seen in the malformed specimen. The researchers concluded that Ata was a girl of Chilean descent who was a developing fetus at the time of her death, and that she suffered from a rare bone-aging disorder.

    Within days of the study being published, a controversy emerged. The Chilean National Monuments Council launched an investigation, saying the mummy’s remains may have been acquired through illegal smuggling and grave robbing, and that the research was wholly inappropriate. Some Chilean scientists went so far as to say that Genome Research paper should be retracted.

    Now, some four months after the paper was published, Nolan and Butte are facing another attack, this time from an international team of experts led by Sian Halcrow from the University of Otago, New Zealand. Their new paper, published today in the International Journal of Paleopathology, claims that Nolan’s research is replete with errors and misinterpretations, and that a genetic study probably shouldn’t have been conducted in the first place.

    More from article ... http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2018/07/exp...and-unethical/

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    Default Re: The Nazca 'alien' 3-fingered mummies of Peru

    Dear Ewan,
    I’ve seen the x-ray of this hand and the the bones in the hand itself do not show how they should work to make this a functional appendix for grabbing or handling things. Furthermore the thickness of the finger bones are illogical. This “ hand” looks like the work of an apprentice dermatologist. But in the end the burden of the proof is on the one who makes this claim of “alien hand”.

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