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    For a more balanced & recent picture of "What's happening in Sweden now"



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    How are these two videos balanced, Star Tsar? Who made them?

    I see something completely different to you. I see a programming that is so deep, a belief system embedded and nurtured from birth. It is beyond understanding. It is profoundly tipped so far to one side of the political fence that it is tipping over itself.

    Sure I want to see a solution to this craziness but I have lived it enough to know one thing, in my humble opinion, that denial is the greatest wall to getting anywhere near a solution.

    I have said this before but the dominant political systems of Sweden have done a mighty sterling job of dividing a nation - and this is criminal.

    But, I am heartened by people who have woken up to the engineering, and I applaud Swedes who have bravely stepped backwards to take a longer view to see the insanity for what it is. It's not easy to do that in Sweden, Star Tsar. The socialists on the left can be frightening. I am talking not only politicians, I am talking voters. To me, they are like a cult. It's scary. You disagree with their views, you are a Nazi. They say it enough and people believe it. That's nazi strategy 101, I think. Wouldn't you agree?

    I think it is very telling when people who have been devoted socialists - for years and years - change their minds. What have they seen? Ask yourself that.

    Where this goes will be up to the people of Sweden - September 9, 2018.
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    The incumbent parties in Sweden would have known that mass immigration would destroy their power base and usher in populist anti-immigration candidates.

    It looks, therefore as if they were coerced into agreeing to an excessive level of immigration.


    to me, the second video above is saying that the 'Democrat' party is not necessarily sinister , although it is not entirely free of nasty right wing associations. It must be remembered that it is the prerogative of the citizens of a Nation to decide how many, if any, people they accept into their country, and an anti immigration stance is not necessarily a racist stance (although it often is).

    Sweden, clearly has over done it, and their leaders must have known that the result would be serious destabilisation. A large country like Germany obviously has a greater capacity to integrate the new arrivals than Sweden does. One hopes that they will succeed.

    I asked someone I know who knows about this from the inside. I was expecting a response along the lines of - ' this is a bit hysterical, yes there are issues, but we are coping'. Not so. He said that the situation was worse than reported, really bad, and people habituated to one of the most peaceful, law abiding and stable societies on earth are facing horrendous level of crime and violence, and a Government that attempts to down play the situation.

    Sweden is being deliberately destabilised. What could this lead to? More violence. The state struggling to cope, and a break-down in order. Almost low intensity civil war. So what do those who coerced Sweden to accept the refugees wish to see? Trouble, and troops in the streets, martial law and NATO assistance.

    Where does that lead? Full NATO membership.(currently they have associate status). Another chess piece slides into place.
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    Quote Posted by Debra (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    For a more balanced & recent picture of "What's happening in Sweden now"




    How are these two videos balanced, Star Tsar? Who made them?

    I see something completely different to you. I see a programming that is so deep, a belief system embedded and nurtured from birth. It is beyond understanding. It is profoundly tipped so far to one side of the political fence that it is tipping over itself.

    Sure I want to see a solution to this craziness but I have lived it enough to know one thing, in my humble opinion, that denial is the greatest wall to getting anywhere near a solution.

    I have said this before but the dominant political systems of Sweden have done a mighty sterling job of dividing a nation - and this is criminal.

    But, I am heartened by people who have woken up to the engineering, and I applaud Swedes who have bravely stepped backwards to take a longer view to see the insanity for what it is. It's not easy to do that in Sweden, Star Tsar. The socialists on the left can be frightening. I am talking not only politicians, I am talking voters. To me, they are like a cult. It's scary. You disagree with their views, you are a Nazi. They say it enough and people believe it. That's nazi strategy 101, I think. Wouldn't you agree?

    I think it is very telling when people who have been devoted socialists - for years and years - change their minds. What have they seen? Ask yourself that.

    Where this goes will be up to the people of Sweden - September 9, 2018.
    This is a very unbalanced thread full of dubious anecdotal sources, which I am trying to point out to no avail it would seem

    https://sputniknews.com/viral/201807...-refugees-sex/



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    Default Re: What's really happening in Sweden?

    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    This is a very unbalanced thread full of dubious anecdotal sources, which I am trying to point out to no avail it would seem
    From what I've read and seen, I really don't think so. I see this as a tip-of-the-iceberg issue — highly symptomatic, indicating something very badly wrong — relating to a far larger problem that extends way beyond Sweden.

    There's a calculated, engineered agenda here. (The UK will be next, btw, and is already well on the way.)

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    Regarding the engineering of an agenda I find it interesting that what is happening in Europe today – when it comes to immigration and its consequences for the people – reminds of what Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi writes about in his book Praktischer Idealismus (1925).

    Though this could be a coincidence I still think it`s worth mentioning – as it`s not hard to imagine what is happening in Sweden today at least partly can be explained by a context in which provoked immigration is being used as a genocidal and divisive tool towards increased domination:


    Quote «By ‘genocide’ we mean the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group. This new word, coined by the author to denote an old practice in its modern development, is made from the ancient Greek word genos (race, tribe) and the Latin cide (killing)…. Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group» (80).

    Raphael Lemkin: Axis Rule in Occupied Europe (1944).

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    Quote The race of the future is a theoretical composite race which will result from ongoing racial admixture […]

    Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi in 1925 in Practical Idealism predicted: «The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.»

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    Quote Mass immigration is a phenomenon the causes of which are cleverly concealed by the political elites, and the multicultural propaganda is employed to falsely portray it as inevitable […] What the elites try to present as an inevitability of modern life, is actually the product of a plan conceived around a table and prepared over decades, to completely change the face of our continent.

    THE PAN-EUROPE

    In 1922 he founded the “Pan-European” movement in Vienna, which aimed to create a New World Order, based on a federation of nations led by the United States. European integration would be just the first step in creating a world government.

    With the rise of Fascism in Europe during the 1930s, the project of European integration was abandoned and the “Pan-European” movement was forced to dissolve. However, after the Second World War, and thanks to frantic and tireless activity and the support of Winston Churchill, the Jewish Masonic Lodge B’nai B’rith and major newspapers like the New York Times, Kalergi managed to gain acceptance for his plan by the United States Government and later the CIA became involved in driving the plan towards completion.

    THE ESSENCE OF THE KALERGI PLAN

    In his book Praktischer Idealismus, Kalergi explains that the citizens of the future “United States of Europe” will not be the people of the Old Continent, but a new mixed breed, the products of thorough and widespread miscegenation. He states that the peoples of Europe should interbreed with Asians and other non-White races, to create a multiracial population, with no clear sense of tradition or identity and therefore easily controlled by the ruling elite.

    Kalergi proclaims the need to abolish the right of nations to self-determination and outlines the break-up of nation states through the use of ethnic separatist movements and the destruction of the nations themselves through mass migration.

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    PS! Every other year The European Society Coudenhove-Kalergi hands out its «Kalergi prize» for «exceptional contributions to the European unification process». Angela Merkel was awarded the prize in 2010.

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    WOW!! Thank you, Sophocles, for such an informative post!! Who knew?! You mean Barry hasn't received this prize yet?!

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    I´d like to thank everyone for their posts. Star tsar has also contributed to balance how the other side sees all of this. The truth is somewhere in between perhaps. It is obvious that some group on the inside or outside is manipulating the alternative and mainstream media. We recently had a big controversy where some force created an outrage of hate towards a soccerplayer after a lost match. It is now confirmed that the outrage at this individual, Jimmy Durmaz born in sweden with turkish parent, was a bot-attack. All tweets and facebook accounts were accounts with almost no followers and no profilepictures. This was the firestarter that made the rest of the net boil over in hatespeech. All to make sweden seem like a racist and intolerant country. Perfectly orchestrated and organized. Certainly not manouvered from a teenagers bedroom, if you catch my drift.

    That and that the biggest political event before the election, Almedalen 2018, allowed the marginalized and very small nazigroup NMR (Nordiska motståndsrörelsen) attain the event the whole week. Very strange of the police to allow their prescence. Real nazism aka nationalsocialism in sweden is very rare to find, but is described as our worst threat to the nation. Radical islam is seldom mentioned, but poses a waaaaay bigger threat. This is also underlined by our secret police, but the politicians have their own agenda. The postergirl for this election, Annie Lööf of the centre-party, also attended the Bilderberg conference last year. Say no more.
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    Wow! Thanks Metaphor for that post, I agree on everything, well put !

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    This is a very unbalanced thread full of dubious anecdotal sources, which I am trying to point out to no avail it would seem
    From what I've read and seen, I really don't think so. I see this as a tip-of-the-iceberg issue — highly symptomatic, indicating something very badly wrong — relating to a far larger problem that extends way beyond Sweden.

    There's a calculated, engineered agenda here. (The UK will be next, btw, and is already well on the way.)
    Yes, but I think that part of the desired "engineered agenda" is also to create discord -- making people believe the problem is far greater than it is, has a more detrimental effect than the "problem" itself. A real tangible problem can be addressed with focus if the democracy truly demands it and goes about in the right way in demanding it from their democratic "leaders", but a perceived problem (one that people don't experience in actuality but read and hear about on TV and the net, whether real or not) would be a better "engineered" tactic yet, because you end up pitting one group of people against another.

    I am not talking about the "west vs east" or "Muslim vs everyone", or whatever; I am talking about the half of non-Muslim swedes (in this example) that believe very passionately and fuel themselves with the fear/anger filled emotional intent of every headline and story they read, vs those who have more rational and cooler heads (I'd call these people more intelligent) that don't believe everything the see on TV or the internet. Whether real or not, it would be far more beneficial to pit these two groups against each other. Let's assume that the target is people who are more intelligent and rational, and don't believe everything they are told. What better way to hit at them than get their own countrymen to do the hitting?

    What better way to make these people be seen by the "other" group as targets for their emotional (anger) outlet? The "rulers" manipulate humans to do all their deeds, do they not? They are not original, and don't do anything themselves, but they are master manipulators and they know the programmed human reactions.

    Mulims are just "pawns" in this as much as anyone - and I'd be almost willing to bet that the main goal isn't even to pit "muslims" vs "other groups" at all -- it is just a tool in their "divide and conquer" strategies, and the divide they seek is not between muslims and non-muslims -- a divide already exists there to a reasonable extent. I'd say that the goal is fragmentation of smaller groups, and we can all see how even in this thread, that this (as described) divide and conquer strategy applied in this method is extremely effective in being able to divide, not muslims and non-muslims, but rather the actual more "cohesive" groups (throw avalonians into this group even).

    We have to be very careful about how we approach this because any "reaction" that humans are heavily programmed with will play into this strategy of theirs. It's not about "east vs west", "left vs right", "muslims vs christians" or "muslims vs <insert whatever here>", its not about being "right", but, any action or words that fall into this "vs" game is only falling prey to being their minion to meet their ends.

    This is why I am rather outspoken against anyone who is obviously and extremely one sided on this - usually some political alignment with "right" or "left" or "libs vs dems", or a religious alignment of old programming ("muslims vs christian"), or even an alignment of "muslims have destroyed everything! I can't even say merry christmas!" vs "there's nothing happening here, move along" -- all these views do nothing but give the "rulers" divide and conquer strategy more power and more effectiveness.

    We have to be careful, we have to be aware, and we have to be reasonable and responsible, and we certainly have to take everything the "net" and TV tells us with a large grain of salt, but we also have to not dismiss everything we view as negative either. Failing to do so will see the "rulers" divide and conquer strategy be incredibly successful, while we argue and debate about who is right from the position of our "alignments".
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    This is a very unbalanced thread full of dubious anecdotal sources, which I am trying to point out to no avail it would seem
    From what I've read and seen, I really don't think so. I see this as a tip-of-the-iceberg issue — highly symptomatic, indicating something very badly wrong — relating to a far larger problem that extends way beyond Sweden.

    There's a calculated, engineered agenda here. (The UK will be next, btw, and is already well on the way.)
    Yes, but I think that part of the desired "engineered agenda" is also to create discord -- making people believe the problem is far greater than it is, has a more detrimental effect than the "problem" itself.
    But Mike, you're not there. (Neither am I, of course. But I'm in close touch with folks who are.)

    Here's a small anecdote. I've been having long and interesting correspondence with a Frenchman (Philippe) who speaks perfect English, a longtime Avalon and Camelot supporter. He's an educated, spiritual, highly aware man with international experience, having traveled widely, including spending some years in South America.

    I introduced him to an American friend, also an Avalon member, and they spoke on Skype the other day for 40 minutes. Suddenly, my American friend changed the subject, and asked him: "What's happening in Europe?"

    Without a moment's hesitation, Philippe replied:

    "Europe's gone."

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    Amazing summation!!

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    I dont even know what to say Bill...
    A dark corner of my mind whispers to me that this might be spot on. Another part of my mind hopes there will be a miracle saving us, though I know this is just wishful thinking.
    I guess one can say like this: europe as we knew it, is no more.

    Im sitting with a cold beer in the sun by a beutiful park in the most secure part of Stockholm. A shiver went through my spine, and i realized this is like the first 30 minutes of the lord of the rings, like being in the Shire, knowing that something very dark is coming your way.

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    Sobering times we are living through! This is for you, Metaphor....

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    Default Re: What's really happening in Sweden?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    This is a very unbalanced thread full of dubious anecdotal sources, which I am trying to point out to no avail it would seem
    From what I've read and seen, I really don't think so. I see this as a tip-of-the-iceberg issue — highly symptomatic, indicating something very badly wrong — relating to a far larger problem that extends way beyond Sweden.

    There's a calculated, engineered agenda here. (The UK will be next, btw, and is already well on the way.)
    Yes, but I think that part of the desired "engineered agenda" is also to create discord -- making people believe the problem is far greater than it is, has a more detrimental effect than the "problem" itself.
    But Mike, you're not there. (Neither am I, of course. But I'm in close touch with folks who are.)

    Here's a small anecdote. I've been having long and interesting correspondence with a Frenchman (Philippe) who speaks perfect English, a longtime Avalon and Camelot supporter. He's an educated, spiritual, highly aware man with international experience, having traveled widely, including spending some years in South America.

    I introduced him to an American friend, also an Avalon member, and they spoke on Skype the other day for 40 minutes. Suddenly, my American friend changed the subject, and asked him: "What's happening in Europe?"

    Without a moment's hesitation, Philippe replied:

    "Europe's gone."
    One possibly uplifting occurrence is relayed by Dr. Joseph Farrell in his latest News & Views from the Nefarium where he talks about the new PM of Italy, Salvini, who has expressed his interest in networking the nationalist movements of Italy and other "like-minded' European countries. Link below. the first 10 minutes or so is speaking about merkel and her supposed concessions she's making to the anti-immigration movement in her own country.
    https://youtu.be/_lbI5l9GtUU

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    This is a very unbalanced thread full of dubious anecdotal sources, which I am trying to point out to no avail it would seem
    From what I've read and seen, I really don't think so. I see this as a tip-of-the-iceberg issue — highly symptomatic, indicating something very badly wrong — relating to a far larger problem that extends way beyond Sweden.

    There's a calculated, engineered agenda here. (The UK will be next, btw, and is already well on the way.)
    Yes, but I think that part of the desired "engineered agenda" is also to create discord -- making people believe the problem is far greater than it is, has a more detrimental effect than the "problem" itself.
    But Mike, you're not there. (Neither am I, of course. But I'm in close touch with folks who are.)

    Here's a small anecdote. I've been having long and interesting correspondence with a Frenchman (Philippe) who speaks perfect English, a longtime Avalon and Camelot supporter. He's an educated, spiritual, highly aware man with international experience, having traveled widely, including spending some years in South America.

    I introduced him to an American friend, also an Avalon member, and they spoke on Skype the other day for 40 minutes. Suddenly, my American friend changed the subject, and asked him: "What's happening in Europe?"

    Without a moment's hesitation, Philippe replied:

    "Europe's gone."
    You may have misunderstood, or I wasn't clear in my intent.

    I am not one of those who is saying "nothing is happening here, move along ..." -- not at all

    I am merely trying to point out that it is our (programmed) reactions to it, that is the goal of th econtrollers, as much as it is to create divide between muslims and non-muslims. If we fail to recognize this, the way we react to this problem also feeds into their divide and conquer plan.

    Look at this thread, there is strong polarization among non-muslims happening on the topic - that polarization is the "divide" in divide and conquer. This is as much if not more, the goal than creating a rift between non-muslims and muslims. We all know how divide and conquer works, but maybe we can't always see it. I am trying to bring understanding to that level, because approaching this problem without that awareness to that level, will likely see the continuation of that polarization.

    Again, I am not saying "nothing is happening" or that there is no problem, in fact, I if that is all that is being seen in the post that I wrote, then either I failed to get out my thought properly, or we aren't being properly aware in seeing how this tactic is designed to divide and conquer the non-muslims, as much if not even more effectively as just creating the rift between muslims and non.

    The timing of this apparent strategy of theirs is the key. The potential for that polarization among westerners - those who will condemn broadly everything muslim or foreign or whatever based an anything the read, and those who who believe that people who would do that are bigots and rednecks is at probably an all time high right now. Again it is this polarization that is goal, as much as the polarization between muslims and non-muslims. It's one strategy, hidden inside the obvious strategy.
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    Beyond the divisive nature of this topic, there is another matter of the economy of immigration and its effect on a welcoming nation. Canada is a good case in point.

    In Canada we have a policy of immigration and a "duty" based on "humanitarian" principles to give aid. As such we have had controlled immigration for well over ten years that has changed the landscape of Canadian demographics considerably. Toronto is a case in point. The pressure on a small nation to accommodate over six million new Canadians, almost twenty percent of the population, has been harsh. The domestic infrastructure was unduly stretched beyond its limits and it fuelled a mini boom within the nation to remedy the situation. While other nations of the west floundered, Canada was doing quite well.

    This boom created jobs. It also raised the cost of living by a large margin. Most notably, the cost of housing and insurance rates have shot through the roof. But there is a dark side that has gone unnoticed. Wages have had a markedly flat ride during this same period, with wages moving most for the upper echelons and downward in the lower market jobs. That is why the minimum wage had to be continually reset. Employers for entry level jobs see no need to entice unskilled workers with higher wages because there is a glut of cheap immigrant labor. The situation has gotten so bad that skilled workers had to be imported from traditional Slavic countries and beyond to keep up with demand.

    What hasn't happened, also notably, is the violent backlash seen in other parts of the world. Canadians of all stripes seem to take it in stride and continue to make the best of their situation. For the most part civility has remained sacrosanct.

    Why is that? All around us the world is poised on top of a powder keg, yet Canada continues unperturbed and complacent.
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    '80% were grown-ups': Swedish dentist 'crushed' by legal system for exposing migrant 'kids' as adults will take case to European Court of Justice

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    A Swedish dentist who was ruined after being fired and fined for revealing that over 80 percent of his refugee 'children' patients were actually adults, told RT that people coming to his country should not lie about their age.

    The story of Bernt Herlitz, a dental hygienist from the Swedish island of Gotland, came under the spotlight in 2016 when he revealed an unpleasant truth. Herlitz was analyzing the teeth of "unaccompanied" minor migrants who started to arrive in the Scandinavian country as the worst refugee crisis since WWII struck Europe. It turned out that wisdom teeth of the 'children' were fully grown in 80 percent of cases, a sign clearly showing that Herlitz' patients were far from being underage.

    "If you have an X-ray you can easily see that the person is over or under 18 years old. About 80 percent were grown-ups," he said, speaking to RT.

    Herlitz shared his concerns with an immigration officer who advised him to file a report about his findings. Yet the reaction from his employers was not so bright - they fired him, arguing he'd violated medical confidentiality.

    "I was fired because I followed the instruction that the woman from the immigration office gave me. I sent an email to the immigration office that I could confirm those people were over 18 years old," he continued.

    The dental hygienist then sued his employers and won damages. But the Region of Gotland appealed to the highest labor court in Stockholm and hired one of Sweden's top-ranking lawyers "to crush" him, as he says on his website. On July 4 he learned that he lost his case and also admitted "economically bankrupted him and his family." The dentist, who had worked in the sector for 10 years, was fined some 475,000 kroner ($54,000).


    Bernt Herlitz

    Fearing bankruptcy, 56-year-old Bernt, who is married with an eight-year-old daughter, called for help and in several days already raised more than a half of the total amount.

    Bernt believes that he had done a right thing for exposing the migrants lying about their age. "I don't think they should lie to come to Sweden," he explained, speaking to RT.

    RT sent a request to Gotland regional authorities, asking them to clarify the situation. No response has so far been received.

    The problem of adult refugees claiming to be "unaccompanied minors" is not new in Europe, which has been facing a large influx of migrants since 2015. A German government report leaked to media revealed in 2017 that some 43 percent of migrants in the country who claim to be children are actually adults. In Denmark such a number stands at 74 percent.

    Some migrants provide false data on their age, seemingly in order to get more benefits from the welfare systems of the European countries. However, others claim to be 'children' in an apparent attempt to be tried as juveniles for alleged crimes. An Afghani immigrant, Hussein Khavari, accused of raping and murdering a 19-year-old German woman, turned out to be an adult. At the time of his arrest, Hussein told police he was 17 years old. However, after analysis of one of the suspect's teeth from the upper jaw showed that the accused was about 26 years old, probably 30.


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    Correction: Bernt has recieved more than he was fined and is happy with the support showed by the swedish people :-)

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    A bit on the long side, but worth it if you want an in depth summary on whats going on:

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