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    As explained Kevin Barrett of Veterans Today at Jeff Bezos, Amazon endorse holocaust denial!, Amazon has banned Mike King's book "The Bad War: The Truth NEVER Taught About World War II"

    I have located a pdf (of fine quality) of this book and placed it in the Avalon Library, at Mike King - The Bad War - The Truth Never Told About World War 2 - Version 2.pdf (49 MBytes, 261 pages).

    Here's the letter that Amazon wrote to Mike King, the book's author, stating that Amazon was removing the book:
    Quote We’re contacting you regarding the following book: The Bad War: The Truth NEVER Taught About World War II. During our review process, we found that this content is in violation of our content guidelines. As a result, we cannot offer this book for sale.
    If you try to go to the main page on Amazon for this book, you are greeted with a picture such as the following, of some dog that is owned by Amazon employees:
    However the review pages for the book are still accessible at https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B00U9TUW6Y, and they show some some 478 reviews, 333 of them positive and the other 145 critical. The reviews span a two year period, from February 2015 to February 2017. Clearly this "violation of Amazon content guidelines" is a recent change in their guidelines, though Amazon doesn't explain further.

    Here are the Introduction and the Closing Statement from this book. These might give you an idea of whether you're further interested in the book (available at the pdf link I provided above):

    ==================
    Introduction

    The Lesson: One story is good, till another is told.
    During the 75 years which have now passed since the end of the grand history-altering event known as World War II (aka The Good War), only a single narrative of the great conflict has been heard. It is a story which, as is always the case, has been scripted by the victors and implanted, no, pounded, into the minds of all subsequent generations. Every medium of mass indoctrination has been harnessed to the task of training the obedient masses as to what the proper view of this event should be.

    Academia, news media, public education, book publishing, TV documentaries, Hollywood films, clergymen and politicians of every stripe all sing the same dreadful anthem. You know the familiar lyrics: "Germany, Italy and Japan tried to enslave the planet. The good guys of the world community banded together and stopped them; but not before millions were killed in Hitlers gas chambers."

    Literally, not a day seems to pass without some sort of media reference to this simplistic goofball narrative; a silly childrens fable which oh-so-conveniently ignores the previous decades of critical history leading up to World War II, omits vital information from the actual war years, and outright fabricates lie after lie after lie. Indeed, the official story amounts to a manufactured mendacity of such mountainous dimensions that the human mind will have a hard time processing the actual truth of the grand event, no matter how compelling the case may be.

    Because the moronic mantra is never questioned, the public mind quite naturally assumes it to be an indisputable truth, on par with the belief in 2 + 2 = 4. That is what differentiates mythology from an ordinary lie. Whereas a lie can be dispelled in a matter of minutes, or days at the most; myths can take 100 years, or more, to kill.

    Author Dresden James describes the group psychology at play:

    "A truths initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasnt the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasnt flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."

    A fair warning; if you cant handle the emotional discomfort and intellectual humbling of having your fossilized worldview turned upside-down and inside-out by the pent-up truth volcano that is The Bad War, you may want to put this book down now and just walk away. Because once you start to dig into the critical data points of World War II, be assured that youll not be able to refute the self-evident conclusions which logically flow from those facts unless, of course, if youre insane.

    Myths die hard; as does the human ego.
    ==================

    ==================
    Closing Statement

    World War II, or The Good War as modern day court-historian refer to it - is the gift that keeps on giving - giving us problems that is! This tragedy, and its aftermath, haunt humanity to this day, and will continue to well into the foreseeable future.

    Out of the aftermath of World War II comes the Cold War, the Korean War, the Viet Nam War, the wars and ongoing problems in the Middle East, the financial schemes and distress caused by the IMF and the World Bank, the framework of the tyrannical and corrupt European Union, and so many other problems of the modern day.

    The Bad War was a complete disaster for the forces of civilization, stability, virtue, culture, and independent nationalism of blood-related kinfolk. ..But it was a total triumph for the overlapping dark forces of Globalism, debt-based Crony Capitalism, World Communism, misguided liberalism and Zionism.

    Behold what the victorious good guys have wrought in the days since that tragic war. Europe, and by extension America, Canada and Australia, no longer exist as peoples with common history, heritage or values. The Globalists have reduced the beloved Europa of Hitler into a rootless, cultureless, godless, genderless, alienated, infertile, pornographic, multi-cultural, homosexual mish-mash of mentally medicated tax and debt slaves.

    The true European essence that was once rooted in places like ancient Athens, Rome, Florence, Paris, London, Madrid, Dresden; and grand historical personages such as Plato, Aristotle, Pericles, Jesus, Marcus Aurelius, Charlemagne, Mozart, Kant, Dante, Shakespeare, Jefferson; and vital institutions such as family, farm, folk, community, church and civic groups, is, if not totally gone with the wind, certainly in the process of coming off its moorings.

    Collectively, the people of the West are no longer really even peoples defined by common cultures, traditions, bloodlines and sets of eternal values. We are economies defined solely by the Gross Domestic Product.

    As individuals, we are no longer persons defined by our virtues and intellects. We are soulless machines disposable, pill-popping, TV-addicted human resources and tax payers defined solely by our net worth and ability to consume - a euphemism for going into debt to buy crap that we dont need.

    In a broader philosophical sense, thats what World War II was all about. It was a titanic struggle between the forces of classical Europa (as well as historic Japan) and those of the culturally degenerate and predatory Capitalist-Communist hybrid New World Order in which we live in, no, exist in today. And the true good guys lost!

    There is nothing that can be done to undo the evil folly of the past; but by correcting the misinformation associated with it, we can, perhaps, at least avoid more bloodbaths in the future. Make no mistake; this dirty game is still going on and may one day culminate in World War III; pitting the NWO against the disobedient sovereign powers of the new Russia and China. Only the players change; the great game does not.

    - End
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    And here is the book cover:
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    Default Re: "The Bad War" - World War II book banned on Amazon (Update Post 32: More books banned)

    And by the time you throw Einsteinian science into the mix, you know how big a hole we are in.

    I've just finished watching The Greatest Story Never Told and had my perspective wrenched from a place it's been too comfortable too long.

    Actually, it wasn't comfort, it was numbed out confusion.
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    Here is an extended interview of Mike King, the author of the above book, by David Duke:
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    I've just finished watching The Greatest Story Never Told and had my perspective wrenched from a place it's been too comfortable too long.

    Actually, it wasn't comfort, it was numbed out confusion.
    At first I thought you meant Lana Corrine Cantrell's book "The Greatest Story Never Told: A Scientific Inquiry into the Evidence of the Fall of Man from a Higher Civilization in Antiquity."

    Cantrell's book is also available in the Avalon Library (all 1054 pages of it): Dr Lana Cantrell - The Greatest Story Never Told.pdf (45 MBytes). This pdf, however, is a lower quality scanned copy of the paper book.

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    But then I noticed you said "watched", not "read", so now I suppose you meant the following documentary "Adolf Hitler The greatest story Never told":
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    It would have been better if someone besides David Duke did the interview, but I can understand why many would not want to talk to King in the first place.

    Sooner or later Bezos will be outed as another piece of filth, a turd that has floated to the top of society as sell-outs and sociopaths tend to do. Google, Facebook, Amazon, mainstream media, the European Union, etc. are all trying their best to destroy real free speech. It'll be just like China though: whenever they outlaw something, millions of people are going to instantly seek it out just because it's banned.

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    It would have been better if someone besides David Duke did the interview, but I can understand why many would not want to talk to King in the first place.
    One advantage to Duke doing this interview - the interview is less likely to be taken down by Youtube. Duke has such a bad name that getting an interview with him probably does more harm for one's reputation than good .
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    Thanks Paul just downloaded the PDF

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    I've just finished watching The Greatest Story Never Told and had my perspective wrenched from a place it's been too comfortable too long.

    Actually, it wasn't comfort, it was numbed out confusion.
    At first I thought you meant Lana Corrine Cantrell's book "The Greatest Story Never Told: A Scientific Inquiry into the Evidence of the Fall of Man from a Higher Civilization in Antiquity."

    Cantrell's book is also available in the Avalon Library (all 1054 pages of it): Dr Lana Cantrell - The Greatest Story Never Told.pdf (45 MBytes). This pdf, however, is a lower quality scanned copy of the paper book.

    ===

    But then I noticed you said "watched", not "read", so now I suppose you meant the following documentary "Adolf Hitler The greatest story Never told":
    The Greatest Story NEVER Told!

    Learn the untold story about the most reviled man in history. Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story Never Told is a 6-hour Documentary by TruthWillOut Films.

    This ground-breaking documentary chronicles the rise of Germany from defeat in World War I, to communist attempts to take over Germany; hyperinflation during the Weimar Republic, widespread unemployment and misery, and Adolf Hitler’s rise to power.

    It also reveals a personal side of Adolf Hitler: who he was, his family background, his artwork and struggles in Vienna and what motivated him to come to power.

    There’s so much hidden history to recount; FDR Pearl Harbor conspiracy, Soviet brutality, betrayal and treachery on all sides. Do we really know the true cost of war? Do we really possess all the facts?

    Watch this series and uncover the real root causes of World War II. Do your own research and decide what you choose to believe. Think differently.

    Visit the Official Website: http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv

    Incomplete Summary:
    47min Balfour declaration, 1916
    49min Jewish International Trade Embargo, 1933
    54min Haavaka Agreement / The Transfer Agreement
    57min Hitlers Jewish army
    1 Hour The cause of WW2
    1.07hr Danzig massacre
    1.16hr Molotov - Ribbentrop pact, 1939
    1.18hr Allied refusal of offers of peace, May 1940
    1.32hr Communist expansion actions
    1.43hr The Jesse Owens myth
    1.55hr Pearl Harbour, December 1941
    1.59hr Ukraine, September 1941
    2.02 Ustashe / bleiburg massacre
    2.11 Russian cossacks in the balkans

    Missed about two hours a bit of a history lesson, talks about the SS at about the 3 hour mark

    4.13 Berlin, 1945
    4.19 German surrender
    4.20 Bleiburg massacre, Austria 1945
    4.24 Operation Keelhaul
    4.30 Allied liberation of POW camps
    4.43 Confessions by torture / The London Cage
    4.47 Nuremberg trials
    4.50 Concentration camps
    5.06 Concentration camps investigation
    5.42 The real reason for starting the war
    5.55 General Remer - In conversation with Adolf Hitler
    6.00 German soldiers explain why they fought in the war
    6.07 Operation Thunder - Communist plans to invade western europe, 1940
    6.11 LIST OF SOURCES FOR THE DOCUMENTARY

    A real eye opener, as you know the victor writes the history and it is a massive lie.
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    I'm looking forward to reading this Paul, and watching that BMJ/Norman.

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    Someone wrote me, a couple of hours ago, saying:
    Quote I'm increasingly wary of some of the political sentiments being expressed here lately. I regard them as being dangerous. I mean, specifically, sentiments which have the effect of recasting Hitler and Nazism in a noble light. And in the current context of the rise of alt-right movements in America and Europe these sentiments seem especially dangerous.

    To be sure, none of us knows the full story of WWII or what the motives of all the players were. It is a much more complex topic than we're taught by any conventional history. And there is a need to investigate and to re-investigate it. There is a need to correct the record.

    But in doing so, we have to be careful not to 'overcorrect'; we don't want to end up with a cure that's as bad or worse than the disease. Re-imagining Hitler as a noble knight, or citing interviews with David Duke, a former Clansman, is, for me, an example of overcorrection.
    I come here not to praise Hitler, but to bury Roosevelt and Churchill (to twist one of Antony's lines in Act 3, Scene 2, of Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar").

    This is not a time to choose between Team Red and Team Blue (the colors now associated with the American Republican and Democrat parties, respectively.)

    Both sides will present some useful evidence and insights when they expose the perfidy and cruelty of the other side. Typically neither side is honorable or furthering the best interests of humanity ... far from it.

    Let us learn from the past, to better see through the grand lies of the present.

    ===

    (P.S. -- I oppose blatant censorship, as has done in Germany for "Holocaust Denial" literature since World War II, and as is now being done, on a more limited scale, with this "The Bad War" book, on Amazon, now.)
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    That was an interesting read but badly let down by the style of writing.

    Although he presents a quite clear depiction of the machinations involved in engineering the war unfortunately his frequent use of rhetoric and ad-hominem structure in several remarks result in the work being easily dismissed, (for a predisposed mindset), as agenda driven.

    A variety of examples and some points:

    The Katyn Forest Massacre in which 10,000 Polish Army officers are shot in the head.

    Why would 10,000 oficers all be in the same place at the same time. It makes sense that there might be 10,000 troops, but not that they are all officers.

    Referring to Einstein as the 'mad' scientist, (regardless of his ideologies), will produce an automatic negative reaction in many readers.

    Jewish Money King Bernard Baruch and his 'puppet' FDR
    It doesn't matter if this is factually accurate, in order to be given credence it needs presenting in a more appropriate manner.

    'lunatic, drunken', cigar chomping Winston Churchill
    The cigar-chomping, Zionist-owned, alcoholic Winston Churchill.
    Churchill and his 'criminal' crew of Kingsley Wood & Anthony Eden
    'Ignorant' British soldier laughs as he reads Hitler’s air-dropped peace leaflet.

    I don't need to keep explaining these do I?



    .PDF file Allied Intrigue in the Low Countries

    http://utdr.utoledo.edu/cgi/viewcont...ntext=ur-87-68


    Wendell Willkie Discusses War and Peace

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c73Azpc8jeo

    Wendell Willkie wins the nomination


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6cgJBnsMv4

    A NYTimes piece of revisionist history? Published: December 19, 1987

    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/19/op...womanizer.html

    It does rather look like he was another Carter/Obama, plucked from obscurity to serve a purpose.

    Germany Must Perish (.pdf) by Walter N. Kaufman

    http://bookzz.org/book/2530909/8a9ff8

    Quote "This dynamic volume outlines a comprehensive plan for the extinction of the German nation
    and the total eradication from the earth, of all her people. Also contained herein is a map
    illustrating the possible territorial dissection of Germany and the apportionment of her
    lands."

    Incredibly, at a time when America is supposedly "neutral", the hateful book is actually reviewed by The New York Times, Time Magazine and the Washington Post
    Though not widely distributed in America, Germany Must Perish is read throughout Germany.

    Propaganda Minister Dr. Josef Goebbels states:
    “Thanks to the Jew Kaufmann, we Germans know only too well what to expect in case of defeat."

    ‘Germany Must Perish!’ will inspire the frightened German people to fight harder. Kaufman's
    work, along with the deadly Jewish Partisan guerilla warfare against German troops, will
    contribute to Hitler's decision to intern the Jews of occupied Europe into wartime work camps
    later in 1941.

    "Germany's propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels, seized with delight on the book. "This Jew [Kaufman] has done a disservice to the enemy," Goebbels privately commented. "If he had composed the book at my behest he couldn't have done a better job."At his direction the German press played up Kaufman's call for genocide. A front page article about the book in the Berlin daily Der Angriff, July 23, 1941, appeared under headlines that called it a "Diabolical Plan for the Extermination of the German People" and a work of "Old Testament Hatred." Extracts also appeared, for example, in the nationally-circulated weekly paper Das Reich, August 3, 1941."

    various sources, but largely from OP .PDF
    For me, the most amazing and puzzling item was the continued use of the figure 6,000,000, first used I think nearly 40 years (or more) before WWII even began. Some kind of caballistic significance?

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    Both sides will present some useful evidence and insights when they expose the perfidy and cruelty of the other side. Typically neither side is honorable or furthering the best interests of humanity ... far from it.

    Let us learn from the past, to better see through the grand lies of the present. Spot on, though history shows us, repeatedly, that we (the wide populace) never learn from the past. Can I have three cheers for his story?

    ===

    (P.S. -- I oppose blatant censorship, as has done in Germany for "Holocaust Denial" literature since World War II, and as is now being done, on a more limited scale, with this "The Bad War" book, on Amazon, now.)
    This is part of the problem, the other is that which manifests out of it. Namely that there is only one truth, only one accuracy - all else is calumny and lies!

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    @Paul

    re: video: 'the greatest story never told'-

    as I live in Germany when I clicked on this link: "this video is not available in your country"-

    Germany is the most censored country in the world-

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    @Paul

    re: video: 'the greatest story never told'-

    as I live in Germany when I clicked on this link: "this video is not available in your country"-
    I placed this six (6) hour documentary in the Avalon Library: Documentary - The Greatest Story Never Told - Adolf Hitler.mkv (1.1 GByte).

    The format I used (because that's what my Youtube downloaded used) is "mkv" - a Matroska container with the video and audio streams inside it. My Linux tools play that format just fine, but I'm not sure whether Windows users will easily find a video player that knows "mkv" yet.
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    @Paul

    re: video: 'the greatest story never told'-

    as I live in Germany when I clicked on this link: "this video is not available in your country"-
    I placed this six (6) hour documentary in the Avalon Library: Documentary - The Greatest Story Never Told - Adolf Hitler.mkv.

    The format I used (because that's what my Youtube downloaded used) is "mkv" - a Matroska container with the video and audio streams inside it. My Linux tools play that format just fine, but I'm not sure whether Windows users will easily find a video player that knows "mkv" yet.
    If your windows machine won't play MKV files, search for and install the latest K-Lite Codec pack. Then you'll be able to play just about anything.

    It's OK to select "Simple" installation at the start. That's what I do, otherwise I get bogged down in a long and deep process of choosing options. Untick the box for Classic Windows media Player though. It's a pet obsession of the person who put the pack together and I avoid it. I think you should too.
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    @Paul

    re: video: 'the greatest story never told'-

    as I live in Germany when I clicked on this link: "this video is not available in your country"-
    I placed this six (6) hour documentary in the Avalon Library: Documentary - The Greatest Story Never Told - Adolf Hitler.mkv (1.1 GByte).

    The format I used (because that's what my Youtube downloaded used) is "mkv" - a Matroska container with the video and audio streams inside it. My Linux tools play that format just fine, but I'm not sure whether Windows users will easily find a video player that knows "mkv" yet.
    VLC read many formats including .mkv and it works on Win XP,7 and 10.I don't know for Win 8 because I don't have this versions.

    Thanks Pail for the book.It wait his turn in the line for reading.Regarding documentary,I was last night at 4:32 hrs mark when I forced myself to sleep.

    I foresee an other long night.
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    As Paul stated above "...Both sides will present some useful evidence and insights when they expose the perfidy and cruelty of the other side. Typically neither side is honorable or furthering the best interests of humanity ... far from it.

    Let us learn from the past, to better see through the grand lies of the present..."


    From ''The Bad War'

    Quote The medieval and non-strategic German town of Freiburg is located just 20 miles from the French border. In the opening hours of the war in the west, new Prime Minister Churchill and his French allies waste no time in murdering civilians. About 60 bombs are dropped on or near
    Freiburg; killing 50 civilians including 20 children who were playing outside. This was the
    first bombing of civilians in World War II.
    In order to whitewash this horrific deed from the pages of history; and to maintain the historical
    myth that it was Germany that initiated the bombings of civilians; court historians have long
    promoted the ridiculous lie that the Germans accidentally bombed their own town and then
    blamed the event on the Allies in order to cover up the mistake. Subsequent terror bombings of
    German civilians will dispel any doubt that Churchill was indeed capable of deliberately
    exterminating civilians.


    Here Wikipedia explains how the Germans bombed their own town.


    The NCAP (National Collection of Aerial Photography) only reference a later Nov 1944 bombing. (Miraculously, Freiburg Cathedral survived the war largely unscathed.)


    Again, 1944.
    Quote Freiburg Münster, 1944


    From the RAF Bomber Command website

    "27/28 November 1944
    341 Lancasters and 10 Mosquitos of Nos 1 and 8 Groups
    despatched to Freiburg. 1 Lancaster lost.
    Freiburg was not an industrial town and had not been bombed before by the RAF.
    It was attacked on this night because it was a minor railway centre
    and because many German troops were believed to be present in the town;
    American and French units were advancing in the Vosges,
    only 35 miles to the west.
    The marking of the medium-sized town was based on Oboe
    directed from caravans situated in France.
    Flak defences were light and 1,900 tons of bombs
    were dropped on Freiburg in 25 minutes.
    Photographs showed that the railway targets were not hit
    but that the main town area was severely damaged."


    Oboe was a radio navigational system using two, separated transmitters
    (the caravans in France) which measured a signal's round trip time
    and thus the distance to and position of transponders on the Mosquito Pathfinder bombers.
    Supposedly Oboe was very accurate, despite the fact that the railway targets were not hit.
    The Mosquito, by the way, was made of wood
    and should have been hard to see with the German radar of the time.
    An early form of stealth bomber.



    Fortunately, for Ms Lust, the Münster and all posterity
    the stained glass windows of the cathedral had been removed for their safety.
    The open stone lattice work of the cathedral reduced its risk from blast waves
    and the medieval use of lead ties to hold the spire blocks together
    allowed them to absorb the vibration.


    Note the two columns in the market place in front of the Münster.
    They stand there today.


    --

    At the WorldFutureFund website there is an article that states -

    Quote "The Prime Minister said that we hoped to shatter twenty German cities as we had shattered Cologne, Lubeck, Dusseldorf, and so on. More and more aeroplanes and bigger and bigger bombs. M. Stalin had heard of 2-ton bombs. We had now begun to use 4-ton bombs, and this would be continued throughout the winter. If need be, as the war went on, we hoped to shatter almost every dwelling in almost every German city. " (Official transcript of the meeting at the Kremlin between Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin on Wednesday, August 12, 1942, at 7 P.M.)

    "The destruction of German cities, the killing of German workers, and the disruption of civilized community life throughout Germany [is the goal]. ... It should be emphasized that the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives; the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale; and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories." -- "Air Marshal Arthur Harris, Commander in Chief, Bomber Commander, British Royal Air Force, October 25, 1943 quoted in Tami Biddle, Rhetoric and Reality in Air Warfare: The Evolution of British and American Ideas about Strategic Bombing, 1914-1945 (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2002), p. 220.

    Is the deliberate mass murder of civilians on a huge scale ever justified? This article does not have an answer for this question. However, it is important to note that this was a very specific goal of England and America in World War II as the quotes above show. Germany and Japan also bombed civilians but the scale of what they did was a tiny fraction of their opponents. More people died in the bombing of Hamburg alone that in the entire German bombing campaign against England. Was the Anglo-American bombing necessary or moral? Many serious military experts feel it was a poor choice in terms of military priorities. What follows is documentation from both sides.
    There are numerous good links within the above page, for instance, British Statements on Bombing

    There are also several quality posts within the following page regarding 'Who started bombing civilians?'

    -example quote-
    Quote http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/ ... plies.html

    ..........the British, by their own admission, initiated unrestricted bombing of civilian areas ought to merit for them membership in the select society of "war criminals." The unbelieving reader need only consult the testimony of the British officials J. M. Spaight and Sir Arthur Harris, for incontrovertible proof of this charge. A decision of the British Air Ministry made on May 11, 1940, to attack targets in Western Germany instituted the practice of bombing purely civilian objectives. This "epoch-making event," as F. J. P. Veale correctly describes it, marked an ominous departure from the rule that hostilities are to be limited to operations against enemy military forces alone. Spaight, former Principal Secretary of the Air Ministry, makes the following amazing comment on the decision of May 11, 1940:
    Because we were doubtful about the psychological effect of propagandist distortion of the truth that it was we who started the strategic bombing offensive, we have shrunk from giving our great decision of May 11, 1940, the publicity it deserves. That surely was a mistake. It was a splendid decision.
    But the "great decision," the "splendid decision" of May 11, 1940, which was ultimately to cost the lives of millions, including thousands of Mr. Spaight's own countrymen, was to have an even more grisly sequel, for, according to Sir Charles Snow who had charge of selecting scientific personnel for war research in Great Britain in World War II, F. A. Lindemann, a Cabinet member and confidant of Churchill, produced in early 1942 a remarkable Cabinet paper on the subject of the strategic bombing of Germany:
    It described, in quantitative terms, the effect on Germany of a British bombing offensive in the next eighteen months (approximately March 1942-September 1943). The paper laid down a strategic policy. The bombing must be directed essentially against German working-class houses. Middle-class houses have too much space round them, and so are bound to waste bombs.
    One wonders if it was the cultivated humanitarianism inherent in this decision to assure the death of more working class Germans per bomb which entitled the Allies, and in particular the British, to sit in moral judgment on German leaders at Nuremberg in 1946!


    Elsewhere, during the Spanish War, before WWII started in earnest it is said the Luftwaffe destroyed the Spanish town of Guernica.

    Quote The German bombers appeared in the skies over Guernica in the late afternoon of April 26, 1937 and immediately transformed the sleepy Spanish market town into an everlasting symbol of the atrocity of war. Unbeknownst to the residents of Guernica, they had been slated by their attackers to become guinea pigs in an experiment designed to determine just what it would take to bomb a city into oblivion.

    The Condor Legion in action
    over Spain, 1937
    Spain was embroiled in a convulsive civil war that had begun in July 1936 when the right-wing Nationalists led by General Francisco Franco sought to overthrow Spain's left-wing Republican government. It did not take long before this bloody internal Spanish quarrel attracted the participation of forces beyond its borders - creating a lineup of opponents that foreshadowed the partnerships that would battle each other in World War II. Fascist Germany and Italy supported Franco while the Soviet Union backed the Republicans. A number of volunteers made their way to Spain to fight and die under the Republican banner including the Abraham Lincoln Brigade from the United States.

    Hitler's support of Franco consisted of the Condor Legion, an adjunct of the Luftwaffe. The Condor Legion provided the Luftwaffe the opportunity to develop and perfect tactics of aerial warfare that would fuel Germany's blitzkrieg through Europe during 1939 and 1940. As German air chief Hermann Goering testified at his trial after World War II: "The Spanish Civil War gave me an opportunity to put my young air force to the test, and a means for my men to gain experience." Some of these experimental tactics were tested on that bright Spring day with devastating results - the town of Guernica was entirely destroyed with a loss of life estimated at 1,650. The world was shocked and the tragedy immortalized by Pablo Picasso in his painting Guernica.
    Each side will be less than honest in admitting to their crimes, and eager to demonstrate the crimes of the other. I'm not sure tracking down an absolute truth is even possible without years and years of effort.

    We only need to be aware they all lie and avoid getting sucked into taking sides, (and I'm reminding myself there as much as anything).

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    @Paul/norman/Ewan

    many thanks for this incredible link-

    although I haven't yet read the M.S. King book in its entirety (I ordered it it a long time ago before before Amazon deleted it) but have skimmed some things: there are some things stated in this book that are falsehoods; 1st of all, if researchers David Icke, Peter Levenda, Greg Hallett and Mike Sparks are to be taken seriously, 'Hitler' (fake name) was a bastard Rothschild and he wasn't born in a family named "Hitler";

    before this topic is to be completely understood (WW2 seems to be the most complicated era of history) please do read:

    "Hitler Was a British Agent"- Greg Hallett

    "Ratline"- Peter Levenda (about where Hitler most probably ended up)

    "James Bond is Real"- Mike Sparks- about how Hitler was rescued and transported out of Berlin (very complicated scenario) by a team headed by...

    Ian Fleming

    all sources are fascinating reads and they all dove-tail-

    please be well all-

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    And here is the book cover:
    and here is the book : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1139602

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    Some present day truth.....Germany will not allow David Icke to speak in their country, even after a venue was booked. Why?

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