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    Hi, All:

    I'm not sure whether this thread should be here in Health and Wellness or in Spirituality > Remarkable Personal Experiences — really.

    I started using this device a couple months ago, strongly recommended by a local holistic practitioner, Patrick Coady, who is a friend: it's an intranasal laser light that stimulates blood oxygenation, and a whole bunch of other optimizing things. The medical-technical term for what it does is photobiomodulation.

    The model I have is called the 655 Primewhich isn't available in the US. But it can be ordered from Patrick Coady at
    It looks like this...



    ... and what it does is this.



    There's another version of the device, as well, which you wear like a headband: that rebuilds damaged neural structures. It can heal (yes, heal) brain injuries caused by strokes, Alzheimer's, and Parkinson's, as well as physical damage from heavy accidents.

    But that's not what I have. I don't actually think I needed the Vielight at all, but I'd consulted Patrick Coady about quite another issue that's since cleared up completely, and the Vielight was just an optimization option. Always curious, I decided to try it.

    But what it did for me was something not reported anywhere in the research literature. I'm as sure as it can be that it super-stimulated my pineal gland. The thing is pointed right at it when it's on.

    The effects I got — immediately when using it, like turning on a switch — were:
    • A feeling of well-being, optimism and 'lightness'
    • Enhanced perception
    • And — most interestingly — a download of sensory-rich images and visions, like a rapid-fire series of screenshots from a movie I hadn't yet seen.
    A visiting friend, also curious, tried it — someone who's very psychic and aware already. She experienced exactly the same thing.

    Most curiously, the effects for her turned on immediately when I helped her adjust the device in her nose so that it was pointing directly at her pineal. Before that, it'd been at too much of an angle away from it, and she was experiencing nothing much. I adjusted the angle, and then she immediately reported such a rapid flood of images that she was challenged to report them all.

    My suspicion is that it will do this with people whose pineal gland is in good shape already. If it's inert and calcified (as it is in most people), then those results would not be reported — maybe why there's no mention of this in the literature or anywhere else on the net that I've seen.

    What's actually being experienced is hard to know for sure. The phenomena have the exact quality of detailed, fleeting memories — of events that have not yet occurred.

    (In my friend's case, she also described vivid images that she thought might have been from past lives, but then again, she had no way of knowing for certain. But they were mixed up with images she felt were from the future. Most if not all of my own received images seemed to be exactly that: 'future memories'.)

    Only one event has so far been 'testable', so to speak. It's NOT a very good test, and scientists here may quite rightly be skeptical; but I'll report it out of interest anyway, because the following is exactly what happened.

    My visiting friend and I had planned a high mountain day hike, but the weather was bad: rain, fog, and wind. I'd been wondering where best to go that would be interesting and safe.

    I'd settled on an option, but then got a really strong download (or communication, or something) that I SHOULD NOT DO WHAT I'D PLANNED — and I was 'shown' (or, at least it felt like that) exactly what a better idea would be.

    I recognized that the information I got was a good idea and was likely correct, and made that 'Plan B' choice. We had a wonderful, exhilarating day, despite really bad conditions, and got back to the vehicle exactly as darkness fell.

    Whether I was 'told' or 'guided' what best to do, or whether it was something precognitive, I have no idea. It felt like I was receiving a crystal clear message from a friendly, helpful source.

    I'll report one other thing that I found most interesting — about what had all the hallmarks of a future event, for sure: I even got the timing (the first half of December this year, 2017). I'll say no more about that in detail right now, but it was again something that happens, or will happen, in the mountains locally.

    Those of you who've been following my various posts about local mountaineering know that my beautiful, bright and faithful dog Mara ALWAYS comes with me, everywhere I go.



    She's in heaven up there, and totally loves it. In this December 2017 event I 'saw' so very clearly, Mara wasn't there. And, unlike something imagined, there was absolutely nothing I could do to put her in the picture.

    It was solid, like a distinct memory. And if someone or something isn't there in a memory, you can't change that. More than intrigued, I'll have to wait a little while to see what, if anything, transpires.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Aww man, now I want to stick a laser up my nose too!

    I think if you had to choose, this topic should be in health and wellness. After all, you mostly spoke of increased well being and the images/memories are just an additional experience that was unintended. I think it would be good to have this thread in the health area, as there are a lot of interesting health benefits you speak of, which I would like to see discussion around.

    This is just my opinion, of course.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    It would be intersting to know about the applied modulation pattern of the laser light.
    The light of their intranasal LED applicators is pulsed with 10 Hz. (See https://vielight.com/systemic-photobiomodulation)

    A red laser diode with 655 nm, 5 mW is cheap - costs less than 10 $.
    To build a modulation circuit is also cheap. Costs some pence. It also can be done using a digital mini CPU board, like Arduino.

    I am just browsing through the 19 clinical PUBMED publications which describe the application of 655 nm light. Not much there. They used non-modulated permanent light.

    A review of clinical trials with some devices using light for skin and hair repair:
    The effects of narrowbands of visible light upon some skin disorders: a review
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    I've been using the Vielight on a trial basis for a few days. A friend of mine is helping with digital marketing of the product rollout and i'm borrowing his unit. This very interesting article was posted this week, talking about the profound impact of Vielight on Alzheimers patients:

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...s-disease.aspx
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Quote Posted by Joe (here)
    I would love to try this out, but it is not available in the US (by direct means).

    From the company website: "Please note: This device is not for sale in the USA. We have substituted it with the non-laser Vielight 633 Red, which has been designed to deliver similar results with a safer but equally efficient design."

    I don't know if the model 633 would produce the same effects, but as with all banned products, it makes me want to try the model 655 even more!

    The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) has a long history of "protecting" people from ... whatever they are protecting us from. (Actually protecting the corporation of allopathic medicine from real competition). FDA is infamous for burying research of Wilhelm Reich and Royal Rife.
    This must be recent, as I bought one in the USA around 5 years ago. Used for about 3 months I noticed no changes or unusual experiences. Perhaps I should give it another go.

    Edit: Sorry, mine is the non-laser Vielight 633 Red, as you stated.
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    Haha interesting ..like u tapped into the right side of your brain...many of us labeled "crazy" folks go through these Altered dimentional visions/experiences. :-D


    Perhaps if I do it I'll become all organized..goal oriented, need to see it first! AHahaha just kidding
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    My visiting friend and I had planned a high mountain day hike, but the weather was bad: rain, fog, and wind. I'd been wondering where best to go that would be interesting and safe.

    I'd settled on an option, but then got a really strong download (or communication, or something) that I SHOULD NOT DO WHAT I'D PLANNED — and I was 'shown' (or, at least it felt like that) exactly what a better idea would be.

    ....

    Whether I was 'told' or 'guided' what best to do, or whether it was something precognitive, I have no idea. It felt like I was receiving a crystal clear message from a friendly, helpful source.

    Question for you, Bill: Did this ‘download’ of guidance happen while you were using the Vielight – or afterward? Or, phrased another way: does the device seem to leave you with some lasting post-use effect of clarity etc – or does it seem to be effective only during use?

    And, in the Zen of these things, just yesterday I came across that newly published article noted above by 42 about research in photobiomodulation for the brain and its possible use as a treatment for some types of Alzheimer’s: here http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...s-disease.aspx

    Given the “hint” from the Universe of finding that link yesterday, I’m intrigued enough now to want to order one for myself.

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    Quote Posted by Selene (here)
    Question for you, Bill: Did this ‘download’ of guidance happen while you were using the Vielight – or afterward? Or, phrased another way: does the device seem to leave you with some lasting post-use effect of clarity etc – or does it seem to be effective only during use?
    Both during and afterwards. It kind of started the wheel turning (or something!), and then it kind of kept on spinning.

    With my already very psychic friend, the effect was immediate. I mean, immediate. Exactly like turning on a switch.

    Yes, this is very hard to calibrate and measure and statistically analyze, but I'd say right now it's a gradually accumulative effect, albeit with a bit of a fall-off if the device isn't used for several days. But then renewed use seems to kickstart it again, very fast indeed.

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    Bill, this is interesting stuff and great sharing of information, this is something I have to follow up on. I do think what you experienced might really have been future memories. I have experienced something similar a long time ago in dream. I think that in the greater reality when limitations fade a little you get more access in time, you can probably arrange the future and then live it or something similar... But even here on earth I feel we can sometimes receive downloads that can inform us about things we might ponder about a lot in the sub conscious, this could maybe also be done to balance the experience of some coming events. I feel that a lot of higher intelligence stuff is about creating balance and peace, to be provided insights we need. And maybe there is some higher intelligent version of each one of us that walks in front of us in time and we are walking in its foot steps... Sometimes I feel it appears a little like that. Being able to open up and access stuff like this by using some device/method is incredible if it works...
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Interesting discussion. My take would be how to duplicate this effect with a home-made device. As they do not allow the laser 655 unit, or any laser device-no matter the safety of it, to be sold in the states, and only the LED form of the cheaper unit to be sold here, I would rather find the principle and the direct science of the device and make my own. Any ideas?
    I study onwards...following Olaf's suggestions.
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    I hope you miss the boat Bill with your precognition about Mara, Dec. 2017. She is such a wonderful companion and I feel sad just thinking you may lose such a great friend.
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    We also have the power to change time. What Bill saw could be one of many outcomes, maybe just a more probable one. Perhaps you can figure out what you need to do to try and change the outcome Bill :D

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    I did a super quick google search on this prior going to work and found this bit of info about possible difference between laser and non-laser product: "Although many researchers now believe that the outcomes between low level laser and the non-laser light emitting diodes (LED) to be similar, the laser light should penetrate deeper into the tissues."
    http://vielight.com/product/vielight-655/

    In that case I would imagine the laser version to be better for pineal stimulation. However in yogic literature there is mention of an important nerve located in nasal cavity that you can stimulate with your tongue (after you manage to stretch your tongue that far). This is supposed to produce powerful effects. It`s called Kechari Mudra. I don`t know if this light therapy has any connection to that but it might be worth looking into.

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    Quote Posted by sandy (here)
    I hope you miss the boat Bill with your precognition about Mara, Dec. 2017. She is such a wonderful companion and I feel sad just thinking you may lose such a great friend.
    No, she's not lost, at all. I also had an earlier, separate download where I saw her as an older dog, quite a few years from now.

    It was just really strange she wasn't there in this particular download, which was all about a mountain incident. That was hard to explain, or imagine the circumstances. And nothing I did or imagined would 'put' her there, either. It was 'fixed'... exactly like a memory of something that had happened in the past.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Phewwwwwwwww...thanks for clarifying
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    I just tried to use an ordinary laser pointer in my nose (red light, 655 nm, 1 mW, non-pulsed) during my morning meditation.
    No effects so far.
    Perhaps 1 mW is not powerfull enough to reach the brain.

    I should add, that I probably have decalcified my pineal gland using iodine for 6 months and also using vitamin D + vitamin A + vitamin K2 permanently.
    In addition I am applying vibration techniques such as binaural beats + 931 Hz, singing and biting on the tongue while singing a loud sound. All of those vibration techniques are causing tingling in my head, which could be a sign of activating the pineal gland.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by sandy (here)
    I hope you miss the boat Bill with your precognition about Mara, Dec. 2017. She is such a wonderful companion and I feel sad just thinking you may lose such a great friend.
    No, she's not lost, at all. I also had an earlier, separate download where I saw her as an older dog, quite a few years from now.

    It was just really strange she wasn't there in this particular download, which was all about a mountain incident. That was hard to explain, or imagine the circumstances. And nothing I did or imagined would 'put' her there, either. It was 'fixed'... exactly like a memory of something that had happened in the past.
    Thanks for clarifying

    Also, the device you speak of managed to make news on Podiatrytoday.com:

    Quote Are you looking for an effective conservative option to treat chronic pain in patients with plantar fasciitis?

    Then you may want to consider FX 635, an innovative low-level laser treatment that offers relief of pain and inflammation in patients with chronic plantar fasciitis, according to the manufacturer Erchonia Medical. The company explains that this FDA-approved laser provides regenerative powers that can reduce inflammation and eliminate pain in the plantar fascia in a matter of weeks.

    Erchonia adds that unlike other lasers on the market, the FX 635 is proven to promote cellular regeneration through painless biostimulation.

    Kerry Zang, DPM, FACFAS, has been using the FX 635 laser in his practice for more than five years. He offers it to all his patients who suffer from a degenerative fasciopathy and have had heel pain for longer than 12 weeks.

    “I use this laser system on a daily basis to treat a number of conditions: tendinitis, ligamentous injury, capsulitis, post-op edema, etc.,” adds Dr. Zang, a Diplomate of the American Board of Podiatric Surgery.

    Similarly, Shahram Askari, DPM, uses the FX 635 laser to treat plantar fasciitis, fasciosis and even some tendinopathy conditions as well as to reduce postoperative pain and edema. Dr. Askari explains that the laser works well as a safe alternative to traditional treatments for plantar fasciitis, including cortisone injections.

    “This treatment does not cause the degenerative damage that is a high possibility with cortisone injections in the soft tissues in the plantar aspect of the foot,” says Dr. Askari. “Using the laser instead of cortisone also allows prevention or at least reduction of future trauma or injury to the foot that can be expected with cortisone.”

    Additionally, Dr. Zang explains, “the FX 635 laser is a non-invasive form of regenerative medicine, which stimulates a low grade healing response as opposed to steroids, which are suppressants.”
    Drs. Zang and Askari both state that the only apparent drawback to the laser is its somewhat lengthy treatment time. However, both doctors agree that the rewards outweigh this potential setback.

    “There is a slightly longer time needed to complete the treatment plan. However, in the long run, it appears to save the majority of patients from surgery and unnecessary treatments,” explains Dr. Askari, who is in private practice in Mesa, Ariz.

    Michael Coughlin, MD, led the study of the FX 635 laser that began approximately three years ago. The only drawback he has found is the lack of insurance coverage, which he attributes to the technology being relatively new. However, Dr. Coughlin explains that there have been no reported complications of using the cold laser.

    “The laser allows treatment without anesthesia and pain medicine is not necessary. Patients can continue their activities and sporting activities,” adds Dr. Coughlin, the Director of the Coughlin Clinic at St. Alphonsus Foot and Ankle Clinic in Boise, Idaho.
    http://www.podiatrytoday.com/innovat...ntar-fasciitis

    I'm going to research further, as I want to see if anybody has treated ADD/ADHD with this device, as well as seizures.

    Found this just now

    Ok, I've almost finished watching the above video and I would highly recommend that people watch it. John Downing explains how light therapy improves and in some cases, removes debilitating symptoms and/or diseases.

    I found exactly what I was looking for in this video, as he explains exactly how light therapy can aid ADD/ADHD. On his list of conditions/symptoms that can be aided by light therapy, he has also noted seizures as treatable.
    Last edited by 7alon; 11th March 2017 at 14:41. Reason: Added video and more info.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    A little bit of research threw up this article:

    http://www.mediclights.com/wp-conten...otential-1.pdf

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    This may be an easy home brew project if the source for the 655 nm laser was identified.
    Is the duty cycle 50%?
    It would be interesting to know if the pulse repetition frequency of 10 Hz has been chosen for all treatments or only some.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    It would be intersting to know about the applied modulation pattern of the laser light.
    The light of their intranasal LED applicators is pulsed with 10 Hz. (See Vieligth Intranasal Light Therapy Devices)

    A red laser diode with 655 nm, 5 mW is cheap - costs less than 10 $.
    To build a modulation circuit is also cheap. Costs some pence. It also can be done using a digital mini CPU board, like Arduino.

    I am just browsing through the 19 clinical PUBMED publications which describe the application of 655 nm light. Not much there. They used non-modulated permanent light.

    A review of clinical trials with some devices using light for skin and hair repair:
    The effects of narrowbands of visible light upon some skin disorders: a review
    From this link in post 5 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...s-disease.aspx saying "..In alpha mode, these LEDs emit pulsed light at 10 hertz or 10 pulses per second. Ten hertz was the frequency selected based on animal studies showing it helps accelerate neuron recovery in brain injured animals..."

    So, do you know any circuit that we can replicate to make the diode pulse at 10HZ as I can only replicate and am not electronics engineer. 655nm lasers of different watts are also available on internet in India. Creating a 10hz pulse would be very easy for any electronics engineer using 555 chip I think, but I only know how to duplicate the circuit.

    Inventors note: http://vielight.com/wp-content/uploa...-version-2.pdf

    http://www.emersonww.com/Neuro-inventor-notes.pdf
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