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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

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    I bought the expensive one with headset
    ... which one did you get?
    a Neuro Alpha, the other one, Neuro Gamma, was going to be sent only for Azheilmer and with a confirmation of Azheilmer from a doctor, which is not my case at all for the moment. But I retain this knowledge in case someone in my family get Azheilmer - which is yet unseen on both side of the family. If it were the case, I would have jumped on the opportunity to buy the strong stuff.

    Thinking of it, it makes me feel a bit into transhumanism, but the right way of using those apparatus.

    Why Bill, do you know anything about those more expensive ones? (I wish I would have had the one 40X more powerful for Azheilmer)
    I don't know anything from personal experience, but I've heard that the Gamma (which is very new) is creating some miracle results that are astounding the researchers. It seems to do quite astonishing things to help Alzheimer's sufferers, and appears to dissolve away the accumulated amyloid plaque that's pretty much established now as the biochemical cause of the condition.

    But there's another hypothesis, which is untested: that the Gamma device induces a Gamma meditative state in the wearer (also newly identified), which might then simply be enabling the patient to heal themselves... maybe of anything at all.

    It might actually be a consciousness boosting device... and that's quite something. All the Vielights seem to do that, in one way or another.

    The trials, which were really successful, have only been done so far with Alzheimer's patients, because that was the design intention. But it'd be fascinating to see what it might do for (say) people with diabetes, or rheumatoid arthritis. If those are alleviated, too, then we have a kind of magic healing device that people could wear for 20 mins a day, and that really would be something out of science fiction.
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    a Neuro Alpha, the other one, Neuro Gamma, was going to be sent only for Alzheimer and with a confirmation of Alzheimer from a doctor
    Hi Flash, I received a neuro gamma from the Canadian website a few weeks ago. I did not know that I had to order via a practitioner. I simply ordered one. My husband is using it as directed and so far I have not noticed any apparent improvement ... Some people show results immediately; others somewhat later.

    I will inform my husband's neurologist at the next appointment. The device is really easy to use and we use it according to the directions that came with it. According to the literature on the website (if I remember correctly) Health Canada and FDA categorize the vielights as Wellness Devices.
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    first trial tonight

    1. I feel the light pulse in my nostril, and the top of my head got warm
    3. My eye¸sight seems better
    3. A fog lifted in my environmental perception (with the 5 senses) - I do feel more awake

    I hope this is not like sugar pills but a real effect
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Sorry for the delay in responding. I've been in the USA for some time (away from our new home in Cuenca Ecuador) and this is the first time I've been able to tap into the forum. It was fizzy in sensation, and it felt like very fast, short wavelength waves, not vibrations. Hope that answers your questions.

    Also, I have used it 1x. And not received it yet, as anticipated. Probably will get my own at the end of the month, or beginning of next month. Stay tuned...
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    Very promising thread. Marking it for further perusal. Thanks Bill.

    Interesting that precognitive abilities increase, it is something I've been playing with over the years. I like to imagine I can run a scenario through such a process and return an answer in the form of a go, no go type thing. Sort of like running a procedure through your mind looking for flaws in logistics. Like that but with a future event. Say I want to go see my friend. I might run a check on the likely outcomes of travel at a certain time, to ensure safe arrival. If the answer comes out go then all is well, if it is no go, well, I don't know what would happen - I've never not taken the advice.

    I'm rooting for you Ron! I'm sure you will notice positive results in time.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    19 days with Vielight 655 Prime and I am noticing more vivid dreams. The only other change that may be related is the radio oracle that sometimes plays in my head. It has been recently playing far more than usual, repeating the song Older Women by Ronnie McDowell and one other. Paying attention to the lyrics.

    Maybe something nice will happen at the swing dance tonight.

    No other noticeable changes (yet).
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    This morning I met friends for breakfast and listened to a Vielight 655 Prime report. Helen has been using it for a few days and reported that she felt significant opening in her head. She loves using the 655 Prime.

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    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    This morning I met friends for breakfast and listened to a Vielight 655 Prime report. Helen has been using it for a few days and reported that she felt significant opening in her head. She loves using the 655 Prime.
    i used it a second time, and noticed about nothing different. However, I had a light headache the followin day. Haven't used it for a few days because of vacations and I could not use it where I was, but will this week again.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    I wrote this on another thread, but I think it may be pertinent for this thread as well, mostly when we thing of the more expensive vielight for azheilmer condition, that uses the gamma wavelenght.

    Quote Same here. Lighthouse expresses in scientific terms what mystics from centuries have been saying using inadequate language for the knowledge. Like "wisdom and spiritual attainment are on a very thin thread between worlds, that has to be walked" this could be the zero point idea. Or: "the akhasic records where all universal knowledge is available" could be located in this zero point as well. Etc., Etc.,....

    Also, Lighthouse expresses very well the spur and impact of the Gamma wavelenght. This could also explain why the Vielight is useful for aizhelmer and potentially many other cures, since it uses the gamma wavelenght and therefore most probably the zero point where all is known and all is potentially created, therefore creating cures in the present time space.

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    If you felt it awakeningmom - it was real
    so just go on
    dreaming about it.

    I wonder if there ever will be devices,
    that just normal people with few money could afford.

    To me - I really would like to find something under 100$,
    is that so impossible for some red laserlight?

    Blessings to our awakening pinal glands

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    19 days with Vielight 655 Prime and I am noticing more vivid dreams. The only other change that may be related is the radio oracle that sometimes plays in my head. It has been recently playing far more than usual, repeating the song Older Women by Ronnie McDowell and one other. Paying attention to the lyrics.

    Maybe something nice will happen at the swing dance tonight.

    No other noticeable changes (yet).

    Apart from the protocol maybe Using METHYLCOBALAMINE i.e. Vitamin B12 form with Folic Acid and Pyridoxine Hydrocloride Might give a sudden boost to the experiences.

    Methylcobalamin SR 1500 mcg.
    Folic Acid 5 mg.
    Pyridoxine Hydrochloride 20 mg.

    SR meant for Suspended Release.

    This Form of Vit B12 i.e. Methylcobalamine NOT THE Cynocobalimaine, will give you such a deep sleep with vivid dreams. And you will remember many of your dreams in Morning. Of-course this not the thing that you should take regularly. But taking it for one week or so can tell your body that how deficient you are of Vitamin B12 and that your body must absorb this Vitamin from food sources.

    I have used this tab



    nurotroy SR from http://www.troikaa.com it has no colours, flavors in it.

    Take it after eating half of your dinner. My friend took it during lunch and he was feeling so so sleepy in office.

    Dont Over do it. After taking one week of medication you can take one pill every week for month and then just stop taking it. So your body will know that it should absob B12 from food sources, like Eggs, Meat, Fermented Foods etc..

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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    I think we have to see,
    if here are some beings among us ,
    who can build a near infrared device (600-900nm?)/
    that pulses with 40 hz (gammawave),
    (maybe sth. like a flash/torch-light)
    and that will serve us
    to activate our mitochondria, pinal gland, bloodstream, ...

    Open SOURCE = Health for all


    some general information about light
    http://heelspurs.com/led.html

    Have a magic Monday

    Maria
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    Default Re: The Vielight intranasal laser: kickstarting the pineal gland?

    I think it is rather this page you were referring to:

    http://heelspurs.com/led.html

    Quote Posted by Rainbowheart (here)
    I think we have to see,
    if here are some beings among us ,
    who can build a near infrared device (600-900nm?)
    that pulses with 40 hz (gammawave),
    (maybe sth. like a flash/torch-light)
    and that will serve us
    to activate our mitochondria, pinal gland, bloodstream, ... = Health in general .


    some general information about light
    http://heelspurs.com

    Have a magic Monday

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    Quote Posted by Rainbowheart (here)
    I think we have to see,
    if here are some beings among us ,
    who can build a near infrared device (600-900nm?)/
    that pulses with 40 hz (gammawave),
    (maybe sth. like a flash/torch-light)
    and that will serve us
    to activate our mitochondria, pinal gland, bloodstream, ...

    Open SOURCE = Health for all


    some general information about light
    http://heelspurs.com/led.html

    Have a magic Monday

    Maria
    Shouldn't be too difficult, if that's all it is.

    However... my "buzzword" firewall is going off a bit..

    what the hell is a "gamma wavelength" ?


    Attachment 35176

    Because infra red and gamma rays are pretty significantly different.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    what the hell is a "gamma wavelength" ?
    From this vielight page:
    Difference between the Neuro Alpha and Neuro Gamma

    The 40 Hz pulse rate correlates with EEG gamma brain wave entrainment, which has a stronger effect on memory and cognition enhancement. This pulse rate differs from the 10 Hz pulse rate of the Vielight Neuro Alpha, which has an overall effect on neuronal health.

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    what the hell is a "gamma wavelength" ?
    From this vielight page:

    Difference between the Neuro Alpha and Neuro Gamma

    The 40 Hz pulse rate correlates with EEG gamma brain wave entrainment, which has a stronger effect on memory and cognition enhancement. This pulse rate differs from the 10 Hz pulse rate of the Vielight Neuro Alpha, which has an overall effect on neuronal health.
    so it's just a different pulse rate?

    Quote Difference between the Neuro Alpha and Neuro Gamma
    The 40 Hz pulse rate correlates with EEG gamma brain wave entrainment, which has a stronger effect on memory and cognition enhancement. This pulse rate differs from the 10 Hz pulse rate of the Vielight Neuro Alpha, which has an overall effect on neuronal health.
    You'd think for almost $2,000 they'd have a (10hz or 40 hz) option instead of a whole new unit, I'm sure there's other differences there as well.

    an adjustable pulse shouldn't be a problem to DIY (though getting it to hit exactly 10 hz or 40 hz rather than just an analogue adjustment is a bit more work). the LED's certainly aren't a challange (perhaps a bit more difficult if you want to run 10 watts or so).

    You'd want to cluster these together for more power (810nm wave length IR LED), some resisters & a raspberry PI for control.. this should be a very easy project, I'd estimate costs at $100 or less depending on how much you dress it up.
    Good intro to getting a Rasbery PI configured to control LED's


    From the links I've read in this thread so far an LED should still be effective, as IR doesn't penetrate due to power, but due to wave length (810nm being the best apparently).

    I have been through several IR treatments for injuries before, but none of those were above the neck; makes sense that it would do something for our brain.
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    For me, the electronics would be easy to construct. Getting and fabricating the hardware would be more of a challenge.

    If studies have determined the optimum output power, wavelength, pulse repetition frequency, wave shape and duty cycle that data would be nice to have.

    It may be that the optimum specifications are a function of what physical condition is to be changed/improved.

    The electronics, if home made, would be easily designed to accommodate all specifications in one package.
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    Getting and fabricating the hardware would be more of a challenge.
    Actually, in the era of 3d printing (and online 3d printing services) I think this may be the easiest part (design / CAD would be the difficult part).

    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    If studies have determined the optimum output power, wavelength, pulse repetition frequency, wave shape and duty cycle that data would be nice to have.
    Why not just copy their products? they are using 810nm wavelength IR and a 10 or 40 hz pulse rate, they also said to keep the watts below 10 "for safety".
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    what the hell is a "gamma wavelength" ?
    From this vielight page:

    Difference between the Neuro Alpha and Neuro Gamma

    The 40 Hz pulse rate correlates with EEG gamma brain wave entrainment, which has a stronger effect on memory and cognition enhancement. This pulse rate differs from the 10 Hz pulse rate of the Vielight Neuro Alpha, which has an overall effect on neuronal health.
    Expanding on what Bill posted, I think the "gamma-" referenced by the device is a brain state (alpha, beta, delta, theta, gamma), not that the device is actually pumping-out gamma-frequency electromagnetic energy.


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    what the hell is a "gamma wavelength" ?
    From this vielight page:

    Difference between the Neuro Alpha and Neuro Gamma

    The 40 Hz pulse rate correlates with EEG gamma brain wave entrainment, which has a stronger effect on memory and cognition enhancement. This pulse rate differs from the 10 Hz pulse rate of the Vielight Neuro Alpha, which has an overall effect on neuronal health.
    Expanding on what Bill posted, I think the "gamma-" referenced by the device is a brain state (alpha, beta, delta, theta, gamma), not that the device is actually pumping-out gamma-frequency electromagnetic energy.
    i think you are right, it is a brain state, that produces gamma wavelenghts (like alpha, theta, beta wavelenghts). If you artificially create the same wavelenght through music for example and listen to them or have you cell vibrate to it, the brain will adjust and start producing the wavelenght. Therefore the music you hear that has been taped to produce theta wavelenght or moslty alpha wavelenght does quiet you down. This is brain entrainment, very well known in neuro psychology.

    It is the pulse that is converted into wavelenght it seems. Same with alpha music for example.

    Now, if gamma wavelenghts are going into the zero point of creation, this maybe the reasons it is useful into memory betterment or into curing bad health. A presumption, I maybe right or wrong, it does not matter, as long as it woks.

    Now, the device is pumping gamma wavelenghts through pulses conversion. And the brain adjust to it.
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