Dentist says I have disease in my gums/jaw.....

[East Sun]

Thanks so very much to everyone who responded. A wealth of information that I will
treasure in my file to refer to often.

I have an appointment with a periodontist in two weeks.
Three years ago I had the amalgam/mercury fillings removed from my teeth by my dentist
who is qualified to do that work. It cost a lot but I did not follow up on his advice to be detoxed
because of the expense.
I don't remember him telling me about this 'bugs' problem that should be addressed.
My own fault, of course.
I will let you know what happens for the record so others might benifit from the info.

A big THANK YOU to all.

ES

[conk]

Many issues such as yours are caused by lack of real vitamin C. Not cheap ascorbic acid, but real, full C with all it constituent parts.

I'd not take the dentists word as final. He may be seeing dollar signs. Search and read. Curezone.com is a good place to start. This toothpaste is a great one: http://www.lifeextension.com/Vitamin...ion-Toothpaste

Also see: http://www.toothwizards.com/

[Chester]

Posted by East Sun (here)
The way he explains it sounds kind of scary. He says,
that after I have tests done, sort of like x-rays, that will
show 'holes' in my jaw where 'bugs' live that I will
probably have to have maybe all my teeth extracted and
have surgery on my jaw/gums.

I feel like there must be a way to get rid of the 'bugs'
and keep all or most of my teeth.

Does anyone have information or had experience with
this sort of thing.

I would really appreciate anything anyone can tell me.

Have you tried a toothpaste with baking soda yet? In the early 90s I finally went to the dentist for a persistent bleeding gum issue. He told me I needed thousands of dollars of work to save my gums. I left thinking maybe I should ask around which I did and one of my friends suggested I try this -

http://www.armandhammer.com/news/arm...oothpaste.aspx

I did and in just a few days my gums stopped bleeding. I have used this toothpaste ever since and the problem has never returned except a few times when I ran out and was unable to buy it (like once in Panama and once in Costa Rica).

Perhaps its worth a try for you.

I wish you the best... Sam

[Fellow Aspirant]

Posted by East Sun (here)
Thanks so very much to everyone who responded. A wealth of information that I will
treasure in my file to refer to often.

I have an appointment with a periodontist in two weeks.
Three years ago I had the amalgam/mercury fillings removed from my teeth by my dentist
who is qualified to do that work. It cost a lot but I did not follow up on his advice to be detoxed
because of the expense.
I don't remember him telling me about this 'bugs' problem that should be addressed.
My own fault, of course.
I will let you know what happens for the record so others might benifit from the info.

A big THANK YOU to all.

ES

This is good news, East Sun. I'm so glad you are going to get serious medical treatment.

Be well.

Brian

[Scorpio Girl]

Here is a solution that my friend recommended to me when my teeth were giving me gyp. If you can invest in a waterpik get one. Fill up watertank on waterpik with warm water add 5 drops of organic or high quality grapefruit seed extract and 2 drops of Lugols Solution that is Iodine to you and me. Then go slowly into the gaps between your teeth. I had a very sore swollen spot next to a tooth at the back. Using this regime after meals 2 to 3 times a day for a week made the sore spot disappear. My friend who gave me the recipe has cured most of the problems to do with bone loss in and around the teeth. Good luck with whatever you choose.

[bettye198]

Gosh many of us can relate East Sun. I agree with many. I originally googled Save your teeth and Dr. Behm DDS in Florida sells mineral salt solution + org baking soda you mix up. He adds the colloidal silver as well which my body does not want bc of the conflict of metals in my mouth. I mix up that paste mentioned after using the food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide. Sometimes it sells under 33%. A dip into that, cleansing gums, then dip into the paste, then brush with Thieves Toothpaste ( buy on amazon or young living distributor), followed by Thieves Essential Oil mouthwash. I also follow with Systemic Formula cx Bactrex which is only sold by a reputable chiro/nutritionist/dentist/naturopath/acupuncturist. Systemic only distributes to those credentialed not to public. That works!! Kills all bugs. As does the food grade H2O2.
Dentistry is a big money maker. What did our ancestors do? We need to care for our teeth ourselves then if something goes awry, see the dentist.
I also believe if you are under systemic siege with fungus, bacteria, virus and toxic overload, you need to treat the whole body, thus the gums will improve.

[East Sun]

Posted by East Sun (here)
The way he explains it sounds kind of scary. He says,
that after I have tests done, sort of like x-rays, that will
show 'holes' in my jaw where 'bugs' live that I will
probably have to have maybe all my teeth extracted and
have surgery on my jaw/gums.

I feel like there must be a way to get rid of the 'bugs'
and keep all or most of my teeth.

Does anyone have information or had experience with
this sort of thing.

I would really appreciate anything anyone can tell me.

I did not go to the recommended "specialist" and took the advice of my

naturopathic Dr. and the advice of you knowledgeable PA members.

I would not have all my teeth removed under any conditions, short of a life or

death situation.

Thanks again

[Carmody]

My solution for deep gum and tooth bug and plaque removal, has been a MMS solution driven by a waterpik.

It has worked very well.

I don't know how it will do with this given issue, but it is all about getting down deep into the gums, near the roots.

[KiwiElf]

I posted this on a related thread a while back; may be helpful:

Re: How To Reverse Root Canals, Cavities, Gum Disease
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...10#post1142510

(You could download the actual PDF Book here - not sure if it's still available):

https://depositfiles.com/files/ynb43k0g8

[AutumnW]

Sounds like advanced gum disease. Yeah. Don't mess around if it's in the bone. Same with serious sinus infection. Those can travel to the brain, if left untreated for too long.

[Pam]

Posted by East Sun (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)
The way he explains it sounds kind of scary. He says,
that after I have tests done, sort of like x-rays, that will
show 'holes' in my jaw where 'bugs' live that I will
probably have to have maybe all my teeth extracted and
have surgery on my jaw/gums.




I feel like there must be a way to get rid of the 'bugs'
and keep all or most of my teeth.

Does anyone have information or had experience with
this sort of thing.

I would really appreciate anything anyone can tell me.

I did not go to the recommended "specialist" and took the advice of my

naturopathic Dr. and the advice of you knowledgeable PA members.

I would not have all my teeth removed under any conditions, short of a life or

death situation.

Thanks again

I wonder if you would share your plan of action with us?

[East Sun]

Thank you Peterpam for your concern.

My Naturopathic DR. is also an MD. I am on a strict diet for 40 days that's not related to my dental

situation. Then he will reevaluate my general health. He does not think my dentist is correct in his

recommendations and advises me to not go the periodontist route.

I agree with him that if there were any bone issues it would be evident in some physical form like

irritation or pain.

ES

[Pam]

Thanks for your reply, East Sun. I had a bone loss issue with a root canal that was chronically infected. I really did not have any pain with it, but I did loose lots of bone above the area where the tooth was connected to the bone. I waited a long time because there was no pain and the tooth was secure in the socket. I guess I am just saying that in my experience there was no pain but I definitely had significant bone loss. I chose to have an implant placed after the removal of the root canal tooth because it was a front upper tooth and the bone loss made it challenging. Personally, I wish I would have removed that tooth a long time ago, rather than allowing a smoldering infection in the bone to eat away at the bone structure. Your case may be different, however, as I don't recall you saying that you were dealing with failing root canals. Don't let the fact that you don't have pain or irritation be your deciding factors.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Some great advice above... This also may help heal the inner gum / bone..

http://mmswiki.is/index.php/Mouth,_Gum_and_Teeth

Good luck.

[spade]

I recently bought a device created by a tinkerer genius, called OMF pulser / generator (also called 5k). This thing is pretty amazing - it generates an oscillating magnetic field that instantly kills bacteria / fungi and infections in close proximity to the pulsing pad. I could tell it was working because when I held it to my jaw, the tooth that was experiencing pain seemed to be clicking away with every click the pad was generating, something in the tooth, and though I thought I had removed mercury from my teeth - I am unsure if there are residual bits lying around which may have been resonating with the clicking / pulsing field. After about a 30secs to a minute of pulsing. The pain is gone and I go on with my normal activities as if nothing had happened.

I'm pasting some of the testimonials here :

Latest Testimony from a customer: My results in brief so far are: Dramatic kill off of Giardia with extended pulsing of the abdominal region (15 minute sessions per day). Will continue in conjunction with grapefruit seed extract which is the only thing which had any effect in the past. 50 - 100 pulses per day is having a substantial impact on skin cancers on my ear(scabbing and soreness disappearing), and above my eye where a reoccurring spot which has been weeping and scabbing for ten years has dried and ceased hurting and seems to be shrinking in area, 100+ pulses per day on the infected incisor root canal I have seems to be having some impact but I need much more time to judge this and maybe use it more often. Great for relieving inflammatory pain around the pelvic lumbar vertebrae interface where I have a long term injury. I am really happy with all this!

Here's a customer testimony of how she got rid of the herpes virus completely:
"I have had Herpes Simplex 1 (sores on my lips) for 20 years. They always happen under one of two conditions: emotional stress + exposure to sun and drying. I have been using the Beck Electrifier (2 hours a day) and Magnetic Pulser on and off for about 6 months. They have caused a remarkable improvement in my health! (My chronic fatigue is completely gone.) Recently I had what would have to be considered an emotionally stressful situation. ... After all this was taken care of (one of the most stressful two weeks in my life) I noticed something. No cold sores! Not even itching or the slight burning that precedes them! My previous use of the devices cured my CFIDS but not the herpes because I only pulsed with the regular Magnetic Pulser. This time, I used the Pulser 5K too and now the herpes is gone. I have been doing this version of the treatment about a month." (editors note: "this version" included daily using the Pulser5K firstly all over the head and then all over the rest of the body. She also drank ozonated water which may of been just as important. We don't have any success stories of cures of genital herpes, only mouth herpes and that was with 2 months of using the Beck Electrifier and Magnetic Pulser and then later the Beck Electrifier and Pulser5K and all along drinking ozonated water. I had a client that faithfully used a Beck Electrifier and Pulser_5K but was not able to eliminate the genital herpes.)

Here's a testimony of success against skin cancer:
"As I told you some weeks back, right after I got the Pulser5K from you I used it one night for about 10 minutes on an oozing sore on the back of my head; it was a sore that no other treatment had had any effect on. Well, when I got up the next morning it was 80% healed, overnight! In two more days it was completely gone and has not come back. Since then I have been using the Pulser 5K on a small skin cancer on my left forearm. The cancer is fading in color and reducing in size. I'm thrilled with it!"

Testimony of healing a mold infection in the lungs: "I moved to another country that had a lot of mold spores in the air and I had a resultant lung infection for a month that caused me to cough up mucous at least once every minute all day long. Finally I tried using the Pulser 5K and felt immediate relief from pulsing all of my lung area 50 times at each location (every 4 inches). I continued to use it daily with resultant suppression of the infection until the climate changed to be drier without the mold spores in the air. If it weren't for the Pulser 5K I would of had to move immediately since my coughing had become severe and the muscles of my rib cage were becoming painfully sore from all the exercise."

Testimony of healing of a urinary tract infection with E-Coli (the cause of 80% of these infections): "I obtained a bacterial infection that caused a burning sensation inside my penis. Also the urine was darker than normal and with foam on top (in the toilet). I pulsed 300 times each (sometimes more) with the Pulser 5K on the penis, between testicles and anus, on the kidneys, and on the bladder twice a day (early morning and before bed) for 2-3 weeks (I didn't keep track of exactly when I started). Afterwards the urine returned to normal color and the burning sensation stopped."

Testimony of healing a sinusitis infection: "While I love my MPG4 (Beck Magnetic Pulser), and my WOZ4 (water ozonator), and have found Sota Instruments to be a wonderful company to deal with, I have to say that I have found the magnetic Pulser 5K to be more effective in treating my fungal sinusitis (I have a confirmed aspergillus infection). Several months ago I had been using my MPG4 on my sinusitis, and found it helped, but did not eliminate the problem. As soon as I got my Pulser 5K and used it, I noticed a dramatic difference, my symptoms rapidly diminished and disappeared over the following week. I should add that has always been a pleasure to deal with too. Later I managed to blow up my Pulser 5K by connecting the supply polarity the wrong way around. I think is adding polarity protection to their Pulsers now, but current owners beware! That didn't bother me, as I was feeling well, until a few weeks ago, when I got a cold (first in over two years), and this triggered all the old symptoms again. Despite frantic pulsing with the Sota pulser, zapping, Rifing, lymphasizing, etc, I remained sick until I got back my repaired Pulser 5K. That was Thursday morning, and I am 90% better already (two days later).
This strongly suggests to me that the creator of this is onto something with his Pulser 5K. One miraculous cure may be coincidence or placebo effect, but twice?
One thing I'm sure of - if anyone wants to take *either* of my magnetic pulsers or my water ozonator away from me, they will have to pry them from my cold, dead hands. Best wishes, Paul H"

Usage for Osteoporosis and broken bones: James T. Ryaby, vice president of OrthoLogic, a medical devices company in Tempe, Arizona, has been using what he calls Combined Fields which are oscillating magnetic fields superimposed on a static magnetic field. They appear to spur bone growth more quickly than the older type of pulsed EMFs, Ryaby says. What's more, the combined-field devices require just a small percentage of the power used by typical pulsed EMF generators. More tantalizing, says Ryaby, are the data from a just completed study with female rats suggesting that the combined fields can reverse the kind of bone loss women experience after menopause. After removing the rodents' ovaries to simulate a postmenopausal state, Ryaby's team watched the animals quickly lose bone. Six weeks later, some of the rats began receiving combined-field therapy for 30 minutes a day. Within a little more than a month, he says, the treated animals were regaining lost bone while their untreated counterparts continued to lose it.
For $20 more, we can insert a very strong neodynium magnet inside the output coil of our Pulser5K so that the magnetic output will be oscillating/static like what Orthologic uses. Just be sure not to let the output coil near magnetic media (cassettes, credit cards, diskettes, etc) which could be erased by the strong magnet. Also be aware that the magnet can strongly pull to it any metal object when the metal contains iron.

Testimony of success against fungus and bacterial infections:
My wife and I have found Magnetic Pulser 5K invaluable for treating an aspergillus (fungal) sinus infection that we were both suffering from. We had found the Sota Instruments magnetic pulser helpful in reducing our symptoms somewhat, but the Pulser 5K had an immediate and noticeable effect. My wife's ear infection, related to her aspergillus infection, was dramatically improved the very first time she used the Pulser 5K. Informal experimentation showed that symptoms would increase if the Pulser 5K was not used, and would be immediately diminished when it was used. This convinced me that the instrument has a dramatic effect on aspergillus, and probably on opportunistic bacterial infections that are often associated with aspergillus.
The Pulser 5K has also proved invaluable for treating other infections. I have found that a throat infection was stopped in its tracks as soon as I used it.
Our impression is that the Sota Magnetic Pulser is very useful for getting the lymphatic system moving, but the Pulser 5K is excellent at dealing with infections. This agrees with other anecdotal evidence we have come across (on the Beck-n-stuff Yahoo group for example).
We find it appalling that this extremely effective unit has not been approved for human use by the FDA. It seems to us that this technology should be funded for clinical trials, which we are convinced would show unequivocally the efficacy of this instrument, so that everyone has access to this marvelous technology.
We have also been very impressed with the after-sales support we have been given, despite the difficulties that the inventor has suffered as a result of the FDA witch-hunt against such technologies.

Oscillating magnetic fields also produce electric fields. Check out this site showing effectiveness of oscillating electric fields against leukemia (cancer of the blood or bone marrow) and MSRA (antibiotic resistant bacteria).

[ThePythonicCow]

Here are two key books to read on the topic of this thread:

• Dr William Nordquist's The Silent Saboteurs - Unmasking Our Own Oral Spirochetes As the Key to Saving Trillions in Health Care Costs
• Thomas Levy's Hidden Epidemic - Silent Oral Infections Cause Most Heart Attacks and Breast Cancers

Both books provide extensive and compelling evidence that hidden, asymptomatic oral infections may well be the single biggest cause of chronic disease in civilized humans, period.

Posted by East Sun (here)
The way he explains it sounds kind of scary. He says,
that after I have tests done, sort of like x-rays, that will
show 'holes' in my jaw where 'bugs' live that I will
probably have to have maybe all my teeth extracted and
have surgery on my jaw/gums.

I feel like there must be a way to get rid of the 'bugs'
and keep all or most of my teeth.

These "holes" where "bugs" live are exactly what one would expect to see evidence of, on an x-ray.

The technical term is "Chronic Apical Periodontitis" (CAP), usually pronounced "See-Aye-Pee" on the Youtube videos of dentists talking to other dentists. It shows up as a dark spot near the root of a tooth. Dark spots on x-rays where there should be bone are signs of the bone having been eaten away by bacteria, allowing the x-rays to pass through more easily and darken the x-ray film. "CAP" is defined as a persistent inflammation of tissues adjacent to the apex of the tooth root.

The above two books document in detail, with compelling evidence, the origins of many chronic diseases, in various parts of the body. These origins are in (often hidden) oral infections, in the mouths of people consuming a "civilized" diet.

One can heal one's gums so that they look perfectly healthy, and so that there is zero pain or discomfort whatsoever, and then spend years dealing with seemingly unrelated diseases elsewhere in the body, which can NOT be cured until that tooth is removed and that diseased socket, including the ligament that held the tooth and adjacent diseased bone, are removed. I know that this can be done, because I just did it, restoring apparent health to my gums and teeth, where I had swollen abscesses and pain a few months ago ... apparent health, except for the CAP pockets showing on the x-rays, along with various signs of elevated inflammation in my body, such as higher than normal (for me) systolic blood pressure, and elevated C-Reactive Protein (CRP) in blood tests.

Given sufficient and complete nutrition, and if the toxic and stress burden is sufficiently low, then the body can heal most infections. However there are a few places in the body that the it can't heal itself. The roots of teeth are one of these places.

I have sworn off almost all modern medicine. There are some exceptions however. If I was seriously wounded by a gun shot, or seriously mangled in a car accident, I'd kiss the first medic that showed up (so long as the medic wasn't a guy <grin>).

I have also sworn off most conventional dental treatments, including fluoride, "silver" (mercury) fillings and root canals. I have spent much money on such treatments over the decades, and they have caused me much harm, including permanent deafness in one ear from mercury poisoning.

There are however some exceptions here as well. Given that I have several teeth with CAP (one a root canal, the others "healthy" teeth), I am currently interviewing for the best dentist I can find to remove these infections. While I am searching, I am using such disinfectants as iodine, ozone, and chlorine dioxide to reduce the infection. These have successfully removed all symptoms of pain and swelling and I am back to eating and chewing on all teeth as if they were healthy. My gums look great. But I know those CAP infected teeth are not healthy. I have both the bite-wing x-rays and a 3D cone beam scan (fancier, more detailed, x-ray) and I can see the "holes" ... the dark spots at the root of some of my teeth.

There are only two remedies: either go back in a time machine to your birth and never eat a "civilized" diet (grains and high carbs), or else remove CAP infected teeth and infected tissue and bone near the root of the tooth and then figure out what sort of implant, denture, bridge or other such device, if any, to use instead.

Leaving dead, rotting teeth in the mouth (even if they feel, look and work fine) is playing Russian Roulette, with various bullets labeled such as Cancer of this or that organ, Heart Disease, Dementia, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Stroke, Macular Degeneration, Arthritis, Cardio-Vascular Disease, Hypertension, Lyme disease, Fibromyalgia, Osteoporosis, or (if you're lucky) dying of some unrelated cause before one of these diseases makes your life miserable.

I don't like playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun, each bullet marked with a different way of ruining your life, and one's only hope being that something else will kill you first.

The evidence, some of it from just the last few years and quite compelling, is overwhelming. Get rid of CAP infected teeth, before they get rid of you.

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Disclaimer: I am my doctor, not yours. I have no license nor training nor clinical experience, nor am I competent to practice any medicine or dentistry on any one else.

[Mike]

interesting interview here with dr david kennedy.

it's long'ish, but basically his solution for gum and teeth issues is this:

- put 1 inch baking soda in a mason jar (roughly 20-25 oz jar), along with an inch of salt. fill with water and let settle.

- fill half of the water pik container with this solution(not the sediment on the bottom), and the other half with warm water. add a "splash" of iodine.

- water floss the from both the front and back of the teeth

- rinse water pik out with water.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IEXYfM0RVUw

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Mike (here)
interesting interview here with dr david kennedy.

it's long'ish, but basically his solution for gum and teeth issues is this:

It's mostly a long rant, but fun to listen to, and quite accurate, by David Kennedy, against the hydrofluosilicic acid, which is the "fluoride" thats put in the majority of water supplies in the US.

Kennedy also warns of lead and mercury, which are especially toxic together, and recommends that we do take sufficient iodine, selenium, Vitamin C, calcium and magnesium, which work together as partial antidotes to excessive fluoride intake.

By putting hydrofluosilicic acid in the majority of our water supplies in the US, we're damaging our children and the future of our country (and this isn't the only way we're doing that.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
The above two books document in detail, with compelling evidence, the origins of many chronic diseases, in various parts of the body. These origins are in (often hidden) oral infections, in the mouths of people consuming a "civilized" diet.

In other words, what I was saying here was that these two book show that oral infections, deep in the tooth sockets, are the primary cause of many chronic diseases. I now think I was wrong to claim this. I now think that this is a rather common error, claiming that some A is the, primary, cause of some disease B.

Just after making the above quoted post, I listened to this somewhat long (well, over two hours) and rambling video, in which someone with a variety of health issues tracked them down to a variety of causes, but especially to what's called (in the US anyway) "vegetable oils", but which are highly refined seed oils from such seeds as cotton, rapeseed (canola), safflower, sunflower, corn, and soybean seeds. These are industrially processed, damaged Omega 6 oils. I agree with this video, and presently I aggressively avoid these oils in my diet.

We also are "blessed" with vaccines, prescription medicines, chronic mineral deficiencies in common foods, and various chemical and EMF toxins in our food, water, air, and surroundings.

When I said (indirectly) that oral infections were the most common cause of chronic disease, I think now that I made a key error, an error that is very common in such discussions.

I realize now that there is seldom a single primary cause of any major class of health problems. Rather the human body (and of other living plants and animals) is multi-faceted and resilient, with many variations between various populations and circumstances. Consequently, what it takes to cause major, chronic damage to the body is multi-faceted. There is seldom a single cause, such that if that cause applies, then you have that chronic illness, otherwise you don't. It is not "A causes B. You get problem B if and only if you do or experience A."

In a multi-faceted environment, usually multiple things have to go wrong to cause serious damage.

In the case of oral infections, the two important books (by Nordquist and Levy) that I noted in the above quoted post make the case that such (often hidden) oral infections are almost always present in the presence of a variety of chronic diseases. However they acknowledge that not everyone with such oral infections has an active case of any such disease, at least not yet.

Once enough things go wrong (which varies by person) for any particular person, then various chronic diseases occur.

Good health is a matter of doing enough things right, and few enough things wrong.

Claims, such as mine above, that A is the (singular) most common cause of B are usually, as was mine above, overstated.

[spade]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aNMQqlImYAk