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    Default "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    When we hear the term "Climate Change" we can make a pretty solid bet that this term is simply the latest PC way to say "Global Warming."

    Yet most of us know that when either term is used, it is used under the assumption that this purported earthly condition is "bad" for Earth and all on her, accelerating at rates never that our impending doom is upon us and that "Man" is causing it.

    I cannot know what is what in this regard... I just cannot know. What I also know is I cannot trust "men" (and "women") when they make claims about this either way... whether they are trying to tell us its real or they are trying to tell us its a scam. But can any reader of this forum say they would be surprised if it was all a scam?

    But what if its true?

    What if we simply looked at the history of where all this information came from? What if we found the actual original source of the information and that it was this same source who held classes on the matter that a young Al Gore attended?

    Be Warned..... you are about to be presented with

    an alternate history

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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Discovery of how the earth is will continue for generations.... They don't know and I consider it an uneducated guess because man hasn't been doing the documented research long enough to have observed cycles that take generations to evolve...
    ONLY THE END OF THE WORLD IS THE END OF THE WORLD AND THIS AIN'T IT

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Definitely a confusing topic, when you consider chemtrails, HAARP and other EMFs, and also the interesting point that there are those who profit from "global warming"... G. Edward Griffin has a lot to say on the topic. I posted an interview with him on another thread... here is one more recent:

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    its a scam. whether its warming or cooling the over publicity is meant to polarize and confuse.
    its meant to entertain those who are bored and give problem to those who has not.

    change is constant me thinks.
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    the conclusion that I have for now is:
    we are going into a grand solar minimum, the bottom of which will be 2030ish.
    wether the resulting cooling will be minimized by the aleged manmade global warming or not is to be seen...

    we can also expect increased earth quake and vulcano activity as always happens in solar minimums.
    none of those will be the cause of man's activities.... yet vulcanic dust in the atmosphere can cause major cooling...

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    In my humble opinion all this climate change BS is exactly that! bs. The real prove of the earth changes was layed on the ice , and scientist have research for decades finding several cicles of warming and cooling cicles without the burning of fossil fuels or too many cows expelling gas from the rear end! Is all bout a tax , is that simple, educate ( indoctrinate) the people to agree later being taxed , to pay a carbon tax. You don't believe? wait and see, but don't cry later! Just take a look at who is pushing the global warming agenda, who pay their checks, Follow the money....!

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?



    George Carlin: The planet is fine.

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    The man who started the whole global warming meme later changed his mind but was silenced.


    Why?


    My guess..... because it was chosen as the big scam to finance and force into place a new kind of non national government, a NewWordOrder.


    How?


    Carbon Tax, for one thing. Then there's the de industrialisation of advanced countries, to bring them down to a level where they can be more easily merged with 3rd world people under a single tyrannical financial elite gang of banksters and corporate scum.


    Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of a global unity. Just not one put together by stealth by the biggest crooks on the planet as their way of staying in power and crapping on the rest of us from their great height of self idealised superiority. There's only one thing correct in that. They certainly are different from the rest of us, that bit's true. Superior?.... FFS.....they're lower than a snakes belly, psychopaths, not superior.


    There are observable crazy things happening to the climate. Do these crooks even have the technology to be causing that too?


    There's plenty of evidence that they do.


    Crooks, crooks, crooks. The biggest irony is that the whole world is going to unite to rise up and bust them. That's my kind of new world order
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Tree-rings prove climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is now - and world has been cooling for 2,000 years

    Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...trial-age.html

    Study of semi-fossilised trees gives accurate climate reading back to 138BC
    World was warmer in Roman and Medieval times than it is now

    How did the Romans grow grapes in northern England? Perhaps because it was warmer than we thought.

    A study suggests the Britain of 2,000 years ago experienced a lengthy period of hotter summers than today.

    German researchers used data from tree rings – a key indicator of past climate – to claim the world has been on a ‘long-term cooling trend’ for two millennia until the global warming of the twentieth century.

    This cooling was punctuated by a couple of warm spells.

    These are the Medieval Warm Period, which is well known, but also a period during the toga-wearing Roman times when temperatures were apparently 1 deg C warmer than now.

    They say the very warm period during the years 21 to 50AD has been underestimated by climate scientists.

    Lead author Professor Dr Jan Esper of Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz said: ‘We found that previous estimates of historical temperatures during the Roman era and the Middle Ages were too low.

    ‘This figure we calculated may not seem particularly significant, however it is not negligible when compared to global warming, which up to now has been less than 1 deg C.’

    In general the scientists found a slow cooling of 0.6C over 2,000 years, which they attributed to changes in the Earth’s orbit which took it further away from the Sun.

    The study is published in Nature Climate Change.

    It is based on measurements stretching back to 138BC.

    The finding may force scientists to rethink current theories of the impact of global warming

    Professor Esper's group at the Institute of Geography at JGU used tree-ring density measurements from sub-fossil pine trees originating from Finnish Lapland to produce a reconstruction reaching back to 138 BC.

    In so doing, the researchers have been able for the first time to precisely demonstrate that the long-term trend over the past two millennia has been towards climatic cooling.
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    As I wrote here:

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Let's keep it simple here:

    There is something happening to local weather which in turn is an indication of something happening with earth's climate.

    The thing is this: robber barons - following JP Morgan's obsession of putting meters onto everything - couldn't tax gods nor volcanoes, comets and asteroids for spewing ashes or sowing orbiting dust all around.

    So, AL Gore and followers, applying Rahm Emanuel's formula to a T:

    Quote You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And, what I mean by that, it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
    - Rahm Emanuel
    Decided to find a way to pin it onto humans/us and their/our activities to squeeze a few more $$ out of them/us and prevent any competition to develop in "Third World" countries (Rockefeller's moto).

    Since then, that gigantic lie has been hammered on us, daily, in an attempt to convince everyone that square pegs do actually fit in round holes.
    As for examples of acknowledging who is buttering their sliced breads with research grants:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1140098

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1139527
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Well most of you guys are gonna have a fun time over the next 5 years!

    I will endeavour , as long as the net continues, to see how your notions are evolving over that span?

    For those twittering about volcanoes go check the USGS figures on CO2/So2 outputs for a year and compare that to man's outputs ( over a year) As a 'heads up Pinatubo , the biggest blast in the past 150yrs , put out 0.02% of the CO2 man is currently pumping out each year...... and reflect on that as Pinatubo had a marked 2 year impact on global temps ( global Dimming). So the flip side of GHG warming is the cooling, ongoing, by the particulate/sulphates the pollution also carries.....

    It is no coincidence the the last three , year on year, global temp records coincides with China's headlong surge into scrubbing technology and reduction in coal use ( in favour of renewables). The regions directly downwind of the pollution source have also seen the same '3 year' impact as both the warm phase of IPO took over in 2014 and PDO positive also went positive in 2014. both use sst temps as 'triggers' for their phase states and both switched from promoting cooling of the climate to warming.

    In the mid noughties NASA told us 'Dimming' was reducing GHG warming by up to 50%.

    Any return to a Maunder Min would reduce solar output by 0.2%........

    As China continues to clean up its act ( cancelled 103 coal fired power stations this year) air qualities will improve ( spoke to a lass in Beijing 2 weekends back and her AQI was down in the low to moderate range whereas winters past had been so bad that folk stayed indoors or moved out to the countryside where air quality was better?) and dimming over the primary impact areas ( Pacific) will reduce allowing the full impact of the solar back to the surface where it can be absorbed and re-emitted as long-wave infra red for the GHG's to hold onto.

    We now know that US/European/USSR dimming lowered temps over the 40's to 80's and allowed growth in Sea ice Thickness across the Arctic basin. Our rush into clean air acts and a better air quality then allowed the return to the enhanced warming ( we saw through the 80's/90's?) China may well have taken up our slack in 'dimming the planet' but the down range went from Atlantic/arctic to the Pacific basin. Did you never wonder why the IPO negative had acted like it was on steroids through the noughties ? Did you never wonder at the record trade winds we were measuring over that period? IPO-ve 'buries' heat in the ocean as opposed to the positive phase which keeps the warmed waters at the surface ( lighter winds) Was IPO-ve aided by the reduction in solar reaching the ocean surface? And what of more solar hitting the surface now we are in the 'surface heating' phase? What impact do you think that will have? Would it ,say, be warm enough to scrub out a forming La Nina by warmed surrounding waters 'mixing out' the cold Nina waters......... hmmm.......and a Nino back to back with a Super Nino? How common is that?

    Arctic Sea ice is just about at max and Sea ice volume is at record low volumes ( less ice than the same time last year) with the number of accrued Freezing Degree Days over the basin far less than last years record low tally.

    To bring folk up to speed last melt season was very poor for melt with all three of the high solar , 24hr day, months blighted by cloud and cool conditions. Ice sailed into joint second lowest Extent by September. It shared second place with 2007 which took a 'perfect melt storm' over all of the melt season to take ice extent that low....... so one of the worst ice melt seasons ( 'worse' for the lack of melt forcing) still managed to tie with 07'??? Area went even lower and was pretty close to 2012's record low Area.

    So how will this year do ? We know that we are in worse shape than the same time last year with even less ice than then and that a repeat of last years 'poor melt' summer must leave us in record low states by sea ice min.

    The 'Perfect melt Storm' in 2007 was part of a cycle of such events that return every 10 to 20 years across the Arctic. The two perfect melt storms before 2007 respected a ten year spacing. This year is ten years after the last perfect melt storm so ought we expect a summer melt season 'better for melt' than last year?

    Last years open waters put about a Nino's worth of energy into the climate system. Most of that energy appeared to return to the basin as storm after storm entered the area raising mis winter temps there to above freezing ( 24hr dark yet melt occurred!!!).

    How many Nino's of energy will this years open water throw into the mix?

    How much extra energy will the reduction in dimming over the Pacific introduce in the system?

    Will Nino again form up and affect next winter?

    With so much 'New' energy now flooding into a climate system where the CO2 growth is well above the IPCC's 'worse case Scenario/Business as usual' levels what do you think must occur?

    The 98' 'Super Nino' caused record warm global temps. It took 8 years to catch up to that high. How long will it take for us to beat the 2016 record? 2017 is already now beating the other recent record warm years on a month by month basis so will nino forming give it a chance to challenge 2016 for the record???

    Feb , last year, broke through 1.5c above pre-industrial. I know it was a nino temp and 0.3c above the record set by 2016 but it raises the question of how long before we see background temps make up that 0.3c? At 1.5c above pre-industrial we are told we will lose all the northern permafrost ( as occurred the last time temps were so high according to paleo data taken in 2013) and summer Sea ice.

    So we now see the Stratosphere breaking. Feb 2016 saw 'the old faithful of the Stratosphere' fail to reverse. The QBO had been set to go easterly and propogated down but then just returned aloft without changing, for those who do not know the QBO is the primary controller of global weather via its interactions with the like of MJO/SSW/PV.

    The Stratospheric 'polar vortex' has had a torrid winter of malformation, displacement and disruption and allowed the warmth/humidity into the Arctic Basin that now leaves us so prone to a record low ice year.

    So for those who think 'Fake' or 'Scam' you are gonna need some pretty good excuses by September!!!! Remember our weather is tied to the expressions we all recognise. It cannot grow a special AGW flavour of weather. All you will see is more extreme weather more often. More heat related records falling compared to cold. How was the Northern Hemisphere winter this year? Warm for most? Extreme rainfall/snowfall events? Extreme wind events?

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    The latest twist on the scam is that... "the ocean is trapping the CO2" but the day will come and come soon and we'll all become toast.

    also, I have too often noticed the phrase "We now know."

    all too often that phrase is followed with a statement which is nothing but opinion or is backed by cherry picked data from those with an agenda that is anything but the altruistic goals they pretend to hold.
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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    This is a nice explanation of the fear based psychology of AGW. The human arrogance of believing that we are the driving force behind climate change gives AGW alarmists the belief they can change the outcome of cataclysmic weather events. The trauma of ancient global cataclysm is used as a psychological tool to play the fears of modern humans to manipulate society.

    In Part One of this presentation, physicist Wal Thornhill explored the many obstacles that institutional science and academia face in attempting to understand climate change on Earth. As Thornhill explained, no climate models can succeed that rely on outdated and unproven assumptions, such as the belief that Earth and Venus are twins and Venus’ superheat temperatures were created by a runaway greenhouse effect. In this episode, Thornhill emphasizes the necessity that climate scientists recognize the electrical circuitry connecting the Earth and Sun, which may, in fact, drive climate and weather.

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    I just noticed this thread Sam, David Icke and others have been saying its
    a scam for years ......


    Trumps EPA Pruitt: Nobody knows What Drives Climate Change.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPXGekalpgs

    Published on 9 Mar 2017

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    In this recent debate climate 'believers' discuss Pruitt , they are genuine people
    and sincerely think they are right. So the waters are well and truly muddied ,
    which is what they are really discussing industrial pollution policy not climate change.

    Pruitt Doesn't Know Carbon Dioxide Causes Climate Change!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI5YJUG_wk0

    Published on 9 Mar 2017
    Big Picture Panel: Sarah Badawi, Progressive Change Campaign Committee(PCCC)
    & Angela Morabito, StandUnited.org. Is new EPA head Scott Pruitt handing our
    government over to the people former Vice President Henry Wallace
    called "American fascists"?

    ================================================== =
    ================================================== =

    In this video cast he connects the dots and opens up some of the flaws in the
    Climate change debate.....


    The Climate Change Scam, What its REALLY all about: The David Icke Videocast



    Published on 4 Dec 2015
    David Icke talks about The Climate Change Scam, What its really all about?
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    This is a compilation taken from one of Davids presentations and other
    contributions from Alex Jones with slides to illustrate the point he is trying to make....


    David Icke - Climate Change Isn't What You Think It Is


    Published on 5 Jul 2016

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    Brian Cox is the front man for man made climate change, but there is still not
    a proper debate on this as far as I can tell they have brainwashed the public to
    stifle debate.......Piers Corbyn the brother of UK labour party Jeremy Corbyn is
    a meteorologist and thinks climate change as portrayed being caused by humans
    is a overblown hoax.


    Brian Cox We Challenge you on Climate Change



    Published on 23 Oct 2016
    http://www.windowsontheworld.net Piers Corbyn issues a challenge to debate Brain
    Cox on made made climate change.

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    Brian Cox resorts to trying to say Malcolm Roberts is a conspiracy theorist by
    asking whether he believes whether NASA landed a man on the moon. Its like all
    these debates when pushed the pro experts try to ridicule debate.

    Brian Cox Baffled By Ignorance of Climate Change Denier Aug 15, 2016



    Published on 18 Aug 2016
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    This is what I was looking for a recent presentation , to see if anything has changed
    I am watching this now , you may find him a little hard to understand as it is not the
    best quality but it does have a slide show to help....It is a bit heavy going and
    could do with a better sound quality.


    Piers Corbyn: The Climate Change Hoax



    Published on 16 Jan 2017

    Video courtesy of the non-political 'Keep Talking Group' and shared here with their kind permission.
    Piers Corbyn is the sort of man who on examining any issue, (be it political, economic or scientific),
    looks at the evidence, makes up his own mind and then is not afraid of voicing conclusions thus
    reached. And he does so with an admirable fearlessness of the political correct enforcers that
    currently tyrannize our world.

    He is also one of Britain’s foremost weather experts much sought after globally for his affordable and
    uncannily accurate forecasts.He is also the brother of Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of Britain’s Labour Party.

    To commission a weather forecast contact him at:

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Some interviews he did on the Ritchie Allen show with better sound , I have
    posted these before and they are good source of info , they also discussed
    the Big Question programme and Ritchie does a separate show thats
    linked below and shows no one really knows whats going on and like other
    global agendas are pushed in the mainstream by interest groups funded by
    who ??

    Piers Corbyn "China/US Climate Change Deal Is an Ideological Attack On Us All!"



    Published on 6 Sep 2016

    Humans are only creating 4% of CO2 in the atmosphere.....

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    Piers Corbyn::"BBC Biased On Climate Change,Nobody Will Debate Me &
    Geo-Engineering Is Happening!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urfPl8bahwc

    Published on 22 Mar 2016

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    BBC's Nicky C gets heated Big Questions, Climate change pt 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooq_ZCmSIcY

    part 2....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9ovyCKEgo
    Published on 20 Mar 2016

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    Richie Allen "BBC Climate Change Bias Is Shameful & Why Won't
    The Green Party Debate Piers Corbyn?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG2esXbzBtg

    Published on 22 Mar 2016

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    Piers Corbyn On Climate Change, Geo-engineering & The Media Treatment Of His Brother Jeremy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A45YlerAmog

    Published on 8 Jan 2016
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    Quote Posted by GrayWolfBG (here)
    Well most of you guys are gonna have a fun time over the next 5 years!

    I will endeavour , as long as the net continues, to see how your notions are evolving over that span?

    For those twittering about volcanoes go check the USGS figures on CO2/So2 outputs for a year and compare that to man's outputs ( over a year) As a 'heads up Pinatubo , the biggest blast in the past 150yrs , put out 0.02% of the CO2 man is currently pumping out each year...... and reflect on that as Pinatubo had a marked 2 year impact on global temps ( global Dimming). So the flip side of GHG warming is the cooling, ongoing, by the particulate/sulphates the pollution also carries.....

    It is no coincidence the the last three , year on year, global temp records coincides with China's headlong surge into scrubbing technology and reduction in coal use ( in favour of renewables). The regions directly downwind of the pollution source have also seen the same '3 year' impact as both the warm phase of IPO took over in 2014 and PDO positive also went positive in 2014. both use sst temps as 'triggers' for their phase states and both switched from promoting cooling of the climate to warming.

    In the mid noughties NASA told us 'Dimming' was reducing GHG warming by up to 50%.

    Any return to a Maunder Min would reduce solar output by 0.2%........

    As China continues to clean up its act ( cancelled 103 coal fired power stations this year) air qualities will improve ( spoke to a lass in Beijing 2 weekends back and her AQI was down in the low to moderate range whereas winters past had been so bad that folk stayed indoors or moved out to the countryside where air quality was better?) and dimming over the primary impact areas ( Pacific) will reduce allowing the full impact of the solar back to the surface where it can be absorbed and re-emitted as long-wave infra red for the GHG's to hold onto.

    We now know that US/European/USSR dimming lowered temps over the 40's to 80's and allowed growth in Sea ice Thickness across the Arctic basin. Our rush into clean air acts and a better air quality then allowed the return to the enhanced warming ( we saw through the 80's/90's?) China may well have taken up our slack in 'dimming the planet' but the down range went from Atlantic/arctic to the Pacific basin. Did you never wonder why the IPO negative had acted like it was on steroids through the noughties ? Did you never wonder at the record trade winds we were measuring over that period? IPO-ve 'buries' heat in the ocean as opposed to the positive phase which keeps the warmed waters at the surface ( lighter winds) Was IPO-ve aided by the reduction in solar reaching the ocean surface? And what of more solar hitting the surface now we are in the 'surface heating' phase? What impact do you think that will have? Would it ,say, be warm enough to scrub out a forming La Nina by warmed surrounding waters 'mixing out' the cold Nina waters......... hmmm.......and a Nino back to back with a Super Nino? How common is that?

    Arctic Sea ice is just about at max and Sea ice volume is at record low volumes ( less ice than the same time last year) with the number of accrued Freezing Degree Days over the basin far less than last years record low tally.

    To bring folk up to speed last melt season was very poor for melt with all three of the high solar , 24hr day, months blighted by cloud and cool conditions. Ice sailed into joint second lowest Extent by September. It shared second place with 2007 which took a 'perfect melt storm' over all of the melt season to take ice extent that low....... so one of the worst ice melt seasons ( 'worse' for the lack of melt forcing) still managed to tie with 07'??? Area went even lower and was pretty close to 2012's record low Area.

    So how will this year do ? We know that we are in worse shape than the same time last year with even less ice than then and that a repeat of last years 'poor melt' summer must leave us in record low states by sea ice min.

    The 'Perfect melt Storm' in 2007 was part of a cycle of such events that return every 10 to 20 years across the Arctic. The two perfect melt storms before 2007 respected a ten year spacing. This year is ten years after the last perfect melt storm so ought we expect a summer melt season 'better for melt' than last year?

    Last years open waters put about a Nino's worth of energy into the climate system. Most of that energy appeared to return to the basin as storm after storm entered the area raising mis winter temps there to above freezing ( 24hr dark yet melt occurred!!!).

    How many Nino's of energy will this years open water throw into the mix?

    How much extra energy will the reduction in dimming over the Pacific introduce in the system?

    Will Nino again form up and affect next winter?

    With so much 'New' energy now flooding into a climate system where the CO2 growth is well above the IPCC's 'worse case Scenario/Business as usual' levels what do you think must occur?

    The 98' 'Super Nino' caused record warm global temps. It took 8 years to catch up to that high. How long will it take for us to beat the 2016 record? 2017 is already now beating the other recent record warm years on a month by month basis so will nino forming give it a chance to challenge 2016 for the record???

    Feb , last year, broke through 1.5c above pre-industrial. I know it was a nino temp and 0.3c above the record set by 2016 but it raises the question of how long before we see background temps make up that 0.3c? At 1.5c above pre-industrial we are told we will lose all the northern permafrost ( as occurred the last time temps were so high according to paleo data taken in 2013) and summer Sea ice.

    So we now see the Stratosphere breaking. Feb 2016 saw 'the old faithful of the Stratosphere' fail to reverse. The QBO had been set to go easterly and propogated down but then just returned aloft without changing, for those who do not know the QBO is the primary controller of global weather via its interactions with the like of MJO/SSW/PV.

    The Stratospheric 'polar vortex' has had a torrid winter of malformation, displacement and disruption and allowed the warmth/humidity into the Arctic Basin that now leaves us so prone to a record low ice year.

    So for those who think 'Fake' or 'Scam' you are gonna need some pretty good excuses by September!!!! Remember our weather is tied to the expressions we all recognise. It cannot grow a special AGW flavour of weather. All you will see is more extreme weather more often. More heat related records falling compared to cold. How was the Northern Hemisphere winter this year? Warm for most? Extreme rainfall/snowfall events? Extreme wind events?
    Thanks for this,GrayWolfBG. I occasionally come across a thread like this on the forum, but I can no longer muster the time or energy to debate with the deniers, so I'm glad that you have. In my experience, it is a fool's errand to even try to resolve this issue. All I know for sure is that the earth is getting warmer, and the warming has been accelerating since the start of the industrial revolution. Our planet's ice caps and glaciers are melting, and the ocean temperatures are rising. The energy within our biome is making our weather systems more chaotic and extreme. This set of conditions is clear to anyone who bothers to look. The opportunities we had to mitigate this in ANY way are long gone.

    Debate, however, is futile.

    But sincere thanks for the attempt.

    Namaste

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    Quote Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)

    Thanks for this,GrayWolfBG. I occasionally come across a thread like this on the forum, but I can no longer muster the time or energy to debate with the deniers, so I'm glad that you have. In my experience, it is a fool's errand to even try to resolve this issue. All I know for sure is that the earth is getting warmer, and the warming has been accelerating since the start of the industrial revolution. Our planet's ice caps and glaciers are melting, and the ocean temperatures are rising. The energy within our biome is making our weather systems more chaotic and extreme. This set of conditions is clear to anyone who bothers to look. The opportunities we had to mitigate this in ANY way are long gone.

    Debate, however, is futile.

    But sincere thanks for the attempt.

    Namaste

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    Yet also... no one can really know if this is true when the folks that are telling other folks "this" are compromised. Maybe they are telling the truth... maybe the Earth is 'warming' but how can you believe folks who are compromised? How?

    And so then... let's just say for a moment it is. Why is it? Not even the compromised folks can tell you why and certainly, when they try and tell you 'man' is causing it or causing most of it, they cannot produce any actual proof that this is the case much less come up with any proof that suggests a reasonably accurate percentage. I admit that if I fart, I add to the greenhouse effect. But my bet is that the percentage my own flatulence isn't even measurable much less are we able to pin down the actual percentages of the current favorite boogeymen.
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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    This from DABOO77

    Heads Up! Stealth Bombers Dropping Chemtrails In New Mexico (So how much of Climate Change is manufactured?)

    Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light!

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