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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Quote Posted by Joe Akulis (here)
    My current opinions:
    - We are adding a lot of CO2 to the atmosphere that normally wouldn't have been contributed if not for all the increased industrial activity over the past century or two.
    - CO2 does contribute to a "greenhouse" effect
    we can agree to disagree on CO2 and it's "greenhouse makery"

    But, it also turns out we underestimated the amount of c02 release allowed by humans before we hit hte "1.5*" shift marker (touted as "the end" by global warming believers)... by 50%... which is... A LOT.

    So lets just toss C02 out the window? (do c02 levels TRAIL or LEAD warming trends (hint: they trail)).

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Don’t let them con you – It has been cooling for 8,000 years

    by Robert October 1, 2017

    A picture is worth a thousand words:


    Expanded record of temperature change since the end of the last glacial period Source of graph (I added the red arrow):
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    I'm not sure why I started watching these vids as they appeared on the u'tube link
    and took my eye and after watching the first I carried on to the second and they
    are both interesting , educational and amusing imo.....


    ACTUAL SCIENTIST: "Climate Change is a Scam!"




    Published on 1 May 2017
    In a very special #LwC, for one full hour, we sat down with Dr. Patrick Moore,
    PHD in Ecology and founder of Greenpeace, and dissected the scam that is
    modern "climate change".

    ================================================== =

    ACTUAL SCIENTIST: "2017 Hurricanes Aren't Because of Climate Change"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n6afpnIS4g

    Published on 9 Sep 2017
    We sat down with Dr. Roy Spencer, an actual climatologist and former NASA
    scientist (who's rebuttal to Al Gore's latest film overshadowed the actual film) to
    discuss the possible correlations between 2017's "unprecedented" hurricane season
    and climate change.
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    It's hot as balls over here on the east coast just outside of Philly. Born and raised in this area so this is my personal perspective. It's hot and getting hotter.
    If any one is willing to give a heads up where they live, how it used to be 25 years ago, and now, will you?

    I would like to know if you notice a marked difference in temps.

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    More and more studies confirm the climate change hoax is... a hoax.

    Man-Made Climate Catastrophe Is a Myth, More Studies Confirm

    One, a study by Scafetta et al, published in International Journal of Heat and Technology, confirms that the “Pause” in global warming is real – and that “climate change” is much more likely the result of natural, cyclical fluctuations than man-made CO2 emissions.
    Abstract

    The period from 2000 to 2016 shows a modest warming trend that the advocates of the anthropogenic global warming theory have labeled as the “pause” or “hiatus.” These labels were chosen to indicate that the observed temperature standstill period results from an unforced internal fluctuation of the climate (e.g. by heat uptake of the deep ocean) that the computer climate models are claimed to occasionally reproduce without contradicting the anthropogenic global warming theory (AGWT) paradigm. In part 1 of this work, it was shown that the statistical analysis rejects such labels with a 95% confidence because the standstill period has lasted more than the 15 year period limit provided by the AGWT advocates themselves. Anyhow, the strong warming peak observed in 2015-2016, the “hottest year on record,” gave the impression that the temperature standstill stopped in 2014. Herein, the authors show that such a temperature peak is unrelated to anthropogenic forcing: it simply emerged from the natural fast fluctuations of the climate associated to the El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) phenomenon. By removing the ENSO signature, the authors show that the temperature trend from 2000 to 2016 clearly diverges from the general circulation model (GCM) simulations. Thus, the GCMs models used to support the AGWT are very likely flawed. By contrast, the semi-empirical climate models proposed in 2011 and 2013 by Scafetta, which are based on a specific set of natural climatic oscillations believed to be astronomically induced plus a significantly reduced anthropogenic contribution, agree far better with the latest observations.
    read the rest here
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    No difference here in Toronto. This year the summer was cold. Last year it was hot. Same overall...

    No warming noticed.
    Forget about it

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    No difference here in Toronto. This year the summer was cold. Last year it was hot. Same overall...

    No warming noticed.

    How does a human notice a yearly average change of .5 degrees anyway (or what ever is claimed)?
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    New York Times article “so full of nonsense that it is difficult to read”

    by Robert October 10, 2017

    Yesterday The New York Times ran an article refuting any ideas that the planet is cooling due to solar activity (or lack thereof). Joseph Kraig provides a wonderful rebuttal.
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    New York Times article “so full of nonsense that it is difficult to read”

    By Joseph Kraig

    This article is so full of nonsense that it is difficult to read.

    There is no universal ice melt. Though the article says ice is melting world wide and the oceans are rising, it is simply not true. The oceans are not rising and in places where it was supposed to rise it has actually gotten lower. Greenland saw a faster and larger increase in ice this year than ever recorded. The Glaciers in Alaska and California are both getting larger.

    While the sun appears the same day after day it is not. There have been major increases in ultraviolet emissions during the 80’s and 90’s, those emissions are now falling, dramatically.

    As long ago as the Maunder Minimum it was known that fewer sun spots cause cooler weather. We are now in a time that is bringing us to a Maunder type of minimum or Grand Minimum.

    While it is true that temperatures have been rising (and falling) since the end of the last glaciation we are at the end or what should be the end of the inter-glacial period. We should appreciate any warming we can get.

    The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is growing. Certainly humans contribute to that growth but the percentage of increase due to human industry is minuscule. In fact the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is minuscule. It has never been proven that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. There are much more effective greenhouse gases in our atmosphere such as water vapor and Methane.

    There are other sciences discoveries that are changing the way scientist think about Global Warming. Who would have thought a couple decades ago that the stars sending their cosmic rays to us could affect our weather but they do, especially in solar minimums.

    Ignorance rules our newspapers and much of society. The truth is out there for all to see but those who don’t like the truth, lie and know - because of our unwillingness to spend a little time reading - that we won’t know any better. I refuse to believe the lies of the Mainstream press apparatus.
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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Climate Change is always with us, it has been taking place ever since the planet developed an atmosphere.

    I think one of the major conceptual errors which many folks to seem to make is that thinking the Earth's atmosphere is some kind of an Ideal entity, designed for human beings, and that we have somehow 'ruined it'.

    I am not for one minute advocating that human pollution is not harmful, that would be madness. However I do think Al Gore, and the crew at the United Nations who are brewing up all of this catastrophic, human created 'warming' propaganda do so because they have an agenda.
    I have looked at this issue for quite a while, I am a man of science, in terms of being an IT specialist, and educated to tertiary standard, I know the 'scientific method' - climate change has taken place in far more dramatic ways prior to the industrial revolution.

    One of the best accounts for climate change is being presented by Ben, of The Suspicious Observers YouTube channel.
    If you are interested in some authentic, science based alternative information, you can do a lot worse than to watch the playlists on Climate & space weather of this channel. Al Gore is full of Sh!t. The sun is currently entering a quiet period.

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    Mark Steyn is a regular on Fox and I was looking at some other articles and
    noticed he was in front of the climate change committee,


    Mark Steyn rebukes democrats in climate hearing: 'You're effectively enforcing a state ideology'



    Published on 8 Dec 2015
    Hearing: Data or Dogma? Promoting Open Inquiry in the Debate
    over the Magnitude of Human Impact on Earth's Climate
    US Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
    December 8, 2015

    ================================================== ==

    Tables turned: Scientist Judith Curry and Author Mark Steyn question, school Sen
    Markey on climate


    Published on 8 Dec 2015


    ================================================== ==

    Dr. Judith Curry Explains The Reality Of Bad Climate Science And Bad Politics

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zk7Xfyv6k4

    Published on 9 Aug 2017
    Judith A. Curry is an American climatologist and former chair of the School of Earth
    and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Her research
    interests include hurricanes, remote sensing, atmospheric modeling, polar climates,
    air-sea interactions, and the use of unmanned aerial vehicles for atmospheric
    research. She is a member of the National Research Council's Climate Research
    Committee. As of 2017, she has retired from academia.Curry is the co-author of
    Thermodynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (1999), and co-editor of Encyclopedia
    of Atmospheric Sciences (2002), as well as over 140 scientific papers. Among her
    awards is the Henry G. Houghton Research Award from the American
    Meteorological Society in 1992.Regarding climate change, she thinks that the IPCC
    reports typically neglect what she calls the "Uncertainty Monster" in projecting
    future climate trends, which she calls a "wicked problem." Curry also hosts a
    popular science blog in which she writes on topics related to climate science and
    the science-policy interface.

    Judith Curry has argued that climatologists should be more accommodating of
    those skeptical of the scientific consensus on climate change. Curry has stated she
    is troubled by what she calls the "tribal nature" of parts of the climate-science
    community, and what she sees as stonewalling over the release of data and its
    analysis for independent review. In February 2010 Curry published an essay
    called "On the Credibility of Climate Change, Towards Rebuilding Trust" on Watts
    Up With That? and other blogs. Writing in The New York Times, Andrew Revkin calls
    the essay a message to young scientists who may have been disheartened by the
    November 2009 climate change controversy known as "Climategate". In September
    2010, she created Climate Etc., a blog related to climate change and hosted by
    Curry. She wrote that "Climate Etc. provides a forum for climate researchers,
    academics and technical experts from other fields, citizen scientists, and the
    interested public to engage in a discussion on topics related to climate science and
    the science-policy interface."[8] She wrote: "I have a total of 12,000 citations of
    my publications (since my first publication in 1983). Climate Etc. gets on average
    about 12,000 ‘hits’ per day, and 300-400 comments." She gets " zero academic
    credit or incentives for my blogging and tweeting," but hopes that " social media
    and the associated skill set [will become] better recognized within the academic
    system." Curry testified before the US House Subcommittee on Environment in
    2013, remarking on the many large uncertainties in forecasting future climate. In
    October 2014, Curry wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal where she argued
    that human-caused warming near the end of the 21st century should be less than
    the 2-degrees-Celsius “danger” level for all but the IPCC’s most extreme emission
    scenario, which is far later than the IPCC prediction of a 2-degrees-Celsius warming
    before 2040.

    ================================================== ==

    Tucker Carlson interviews Climatologist Judith Curry who quit over insanity in field
    of climate science.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ys2HCq-pw

    Published on 8 Jan 2017
    Tucker Carlson Vs Climatologist Judith Curry who quit over insanity in field of climate science
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    Corbett Report..Climate Models for the Layman with Dr. Judith Curry



    Published on 15 Mar 2017
    SHOW NOTES AND MP3 AUDIO: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=22123

    Dr. Judith Curry, climate scientist and former chair of the School of Earth and
    Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Tech, joins us once again today to discuss
    her comprehensive new report, "Climate Models for the layman." We discuss
    the history and purpose of climate modeling, their uncertainties, equilibrium
    climate sensitivity, and what we can or cannot learn from their study.

    ==============================================

    Previous interview...
    Dr. Judith Curry Explains "The Republic of Science"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdm9dWK-khE
    Published on 10 Jun 2016
    Dr. Judith Curry is a climatologist and former chair of the School of Earth and
    Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology who went from
    the "high priestess of global warming" to a "climate heretic" after realizing she
    had been duped by the IPCC. Today she joins us to talk about her recent
    breakdown of Michael Polanyi's 1962 article "The Republic of Science." Topics
    discussed include the science/policy nexus, the breakdown of the old norms of
    scientific research, and how the internet is helping to revolutionize science.

    ================================================== ==
    ================================================== ==

    Very Amusing but thought provoking....

    Mark Steyn vs Michael Mann, Climate Change: The Facts, Keynote 4, ICCC10



    Published on 2 Jul 2015
    Mark Steyn talks about his new book, “Climate Change: The Facts” and his lawsuit
    against climate scientist Michael E. Mann of Penn State University at The Heartland
    Institute’s Tenth International Conference on Climate Change on June 12, 2015. To
    watch all presentations from this conference and others, visit
    ClimateConferences.Heartland.org. To read all of Mark Steyn’s work, visit
    SteynOnline.com
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    the cooling trend continues


    Quote Global Ocean Cooling in September

    September Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are now available, and we see downward spikes in ocean temps everywhere, led by sharp decreases in the Tropics and SH....
    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2017/10...-in-september/
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    the jig is up , they've already spun it from "warming" to "change" , seems everything is coming to a head , hence thier resorting to "last resorts"

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    Default Re: "...Climate Change..." (AKA "Global Warming")... is it a scam?

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    No difference here in Toronto. This year the summer was cold. Last year it was hot. Same overall...

    No warming noticed.
    The west must have stole all your heat Records all summer on this end. Hottest and driest I have seen in Calgary in last 20 some years. Besides all the wildfires and incredibly poor air quality the entire summer, the heat was a nice change!

    "Calgary entering 'uncharted territory' for sustained heat"
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...cord-1.4222224



    here's a few of the records just from BC on just Aug 1st and 2nd ..

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    Bella Bella area — 27.1 degrees Celsius (previous record 25.5 in 1999)
    Campbell River area — 33 degrees Celsius (previous record 32.8 in 1965)
    Hope Slide area — 30.5 degrees Celsius (previous record 30 in 2015)
    Tofino area — 28 degrees Celsius (previous record 25.6 in 1965)
    Victoria Harbour area — 25.9 degrees Celsius (previous record 25.6 in 1891)
    Abbotsford area — 34.1 degrees Celsius (previous record 32.3 in 1939)
    Agassiz area — 35.6 degrees Celsius (previous record 34.4 in 1898)
    Bella Bella area — 28 degrees Celsius (previous record 26 in 1993)
    Chilliwack area — 35.6 degrees Celsius (previous record 32.8 in 1927)
    Estevan Point area — 21.9 degrees Celsius (previous record 20.6 in 1947)
    Hope area — 37.2 degrees Celsius (previous record 36.1 in 1939)
    Kitimat area — 31 degrees Celsius (previous record 31 in 1999)
    Malahat area — 32.5 degrees Celsius (previous record 30.8 in 1993)
    Port Alberni area — 36.8 degrees Celsius (previous record 35 in 2009)
    Port Hardy area — 23.1 degrees Celsius (previous record 22.2 in 1961)
    Powell River area — 29 degrees Celsius (previous record 28.9 in 1961)
    Sechelt area — 29.3 degrees Celsius (previous record 28.8 in 2009)
    Squamish area — 33.2 degrees Celsius (previous record 30.8 in 2009)
    Tofino area — 31.5 degrees Celsius (previous record 27.2 in 1993)
    White Rock area — 29.5 degrees Celsius (previous record 28.9 in 1939)
    https://globalnews.ca/news/3644588/b...-years-report/

    August 28th ...

    Vancouver Harbour 27.2 C
    Victoria Gonzales 28.7 C
    West Vancouver 30.8 C
    Squamish 32.7 C
    Lillooet 36 C
    Port Alberni 35.9 C
    Lytton 39.1 C (old record 37.2 C in 1967)
    Pemberton 36.8 C (old record 34.6 C in 2002)
    Clearwater 35.0 C (old record 34.4 C in 1929)
    Cranbrook 33.9 C (old record 33.3 C in 1929)
    Squamish 32.7 C (old record 30.6 C in 1967)
    Sparwood 32.5 C (old record 31.7 C in 1986)
    http://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-breaks-reco...wave-1.3566781

    Records for highest ever hydro (electricity) consumption were broken several times in BC and Alberta.

    BC recorded its worst ever year for wildfires in terms of hectares burned and number of fires.

    The interesting part is that without all the persistent overhanging smoke from all the wildfires, it would have been much hotter yet. The smoke at least partly blocked out the sun the vast majority of the time, and in the mornings in BC when it was really smoky it was cool; when the smoke started to lift later in the day is when you could really start to feel the sun. but it was significantly cooler with the smoke blocking it -- far more effect than the sun being blocked by clouds - very noticeably more.

    I wonder how hot it would have been had we not had the smoke?

    From the Wikipedia page on the 2017 NA heatwave ...
    Quote Several daily record highs were set Thursday, Aug. 2, including: Medford, Oregon (109 degrees), The Dalles (108 degrees), Portland, Oregon (103 degrees), Eugene, Oregon (102 degrees), Olympia, Washington (96 degrees), Seattle (94 degrees), Santa Maria, California (88 degrees). Smoke covering much of the region (from wildfires in British Columbia, Canada) kept temperatures below all-time record levels.[6] In the first week of August, much of the Pacific Northwest was covered in haze, resulting in poor air quality. It was predicted to take at least another week to clear.[7]

    Juneau, Alaska set record highs on August 5–6, during a week of highs in the 70s. Much of southeastern Alaska saw temperatures reach the 80s.[8]

    On August 7, Seattle matched its all-time record for consecutive days without precipitation, with no end in sight


    Anyway, just my anecdote, last summer was hotter than average as well, but not anywhere to this level.
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    the jig is up , they've already spun it from "warming" to "change" , seems everything is coming to a head , hence thier resorting to "last resorts"
    Not sure who "they" are, but the term "climate change" was first popularized under the Reagan administration because James Watt said that global warming was too scary and wanted it removed from all speeches.

    It was 106 degrees this summer in San Francisco. Hotter than the concurrent Burning Man festival in Black Rock Desert at a time when we normally wear jackets.
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    Have any of you noticed, chemtrails have stopped?

    I heard Trump signed an executive order on it, but this is the 2nd major heatwave since they quit...

    Without the smoke and mirrors, global warming is going to become reality very quick...

    So to answer the question, what was wanted, was to stop taxes being paid to bankers.

    That is something everyone agrees on...

    But the the Koch Cyber Science Denial group got on it and tossed out the word Tax...

    From Climate Change Tax Denial, to Climate Change Denial in one word. Koch

    Now everyone is confused, but it is simple, Climate Change is happening and mammals could be facing mass extinction. It is that serious.

    What is going to happen now that Chemtrails stopped?



    I know everyone watching the movie thinks having 22% of the sun's energy should be great for cooling the planet, The part of the calculation everyine forgets is the energy bouncing off Earth which should fly into space, but 22% is sent back, again and again every second more energy being trapped inside the "Protection"...
    I still see chemtrails -- geoengineering-- almost every day.

    With the manipulation of weather by HAARP and chemtrails, the global warming debate just seems like a cover up or a distraction.

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/h...ering-reality/

    There are weather anomalies happening in many places because of this chemical and EMF manipulation.

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    the jig is up , they've already spun it from "warming" to "change" , seems everything is coming to a head , hence thier resorting to "last resorts"
    in my mind the important change in this is that carbon dioxide can no longer be villified (or taxed, though I believe the EU is alerady doing something like a carbon tax?) the "carbon" push was so huge.. If that's all that goes away due to the "change" instead of "warm" then I'll consider it a win.

    It kind of also undercuts the anthropomorphic argument as well, which takes away the manipulation/control angle which I think was a desired outcome as well.

    We had the coolest summer I've seen in 5 years; but also some pretty intense tropical weather (obviously, with 2 cat 5's hitting us).
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    'Global Warming' 30 years on: How and why it never came to pass

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    For at least three decades scientists and environmental activists have been warning that the world is on the verge of a global warming "apocalypse" that will flood coastal cities, tear up roads and bridges with mega-storms and bring widespread famine and misery to much of the world.

    The only solution, they say, is to rid the world of fossil fuels - coal, natural gas and oil - that serve as the pillars of modern society. Only quick, decisive global action can avert the worst effects of manmade climate change, warn international bodies like the United Nations, who say we only have decades left - or even less!

    Of course, human civilization has not collapsed, despite decades of predictions that we only have years left to avert disaster. Ten years ago, the U.N. predicted we only had "as little as eight years left to avoid a dangerous global average rise of 2C or more."

    This failed prediction, however, has not stopped the U.N. and others from issuing more apocalyptic statements.

    To celebrate nearly three decades of dire predictions, The Daily Caller News Foundation put together this list of some of the most severe doomsday prophecies made by scientists, activists and politicians:

    1. Apocalyptic warnings on repeat
    A group of 1,700 scientists and experts signed a letter 25 years ago warning of massive ecological and societal collapse if nothing was done to curb overpopulation, pollution and, ultimately, the capitalist society in which we live today.

    The Union of Concerned Scientists put out a second letter earlier this year, once again warning of the dire consequences of global warming and other alleged ecological ills. Now numbering 15,000, the group warns "soon it will be too late to shift course away from our failing trajectory, and time is running out."

    "We must recognize, in our day-to-day lives and in our governing institutions, that Earth with all its life is our only home," the scientists and experts warned.

    It's a terrifying warning - if you ignore the fact that none of their 1992 warning has come to fruition.

    2. The planet will be "uninhabitable" by the end of the century
    New York Magazine writer David Wallace-Wells published a 7,000-word article claiming global warming could make Earth "uninhabitable" by "the end of this century."

    Wallace-Wells's article warned of terrors, like "Heat Death," "Climate Plagues," "Permanent Economic Collapse" and "Poisoned Oceans."

    "Indeed, absent a significant adjustment to how billions of humans conduct their lives, parts of the Earth will likely become close to uninhabitable, and other parts horrifically inhospitable, as soon as the end of this century," Wallace-Wells wrote.

    3. Prince Charles's global warming deadline passed...and nothing happened
    Prince Charles famously warned in July 2009 that humanity had only 96 months to save the world from "irretrievable climate and ecosystem collapse, and all that goes with it." That deadline has passed, and the prince has not issued an update to when the world needs to be saved.

    Though the recently-released "Paradise Papers" show Charles lobbied U.K. lawmakers to enact policies that benefited his estate's investment in a Bermuda company that does sustainable forestry. So, there's that.

    4. 'Ice Apocalypse' Now
    Liberal writer and climate scientist Eric Holthaus claimed manmade global warming would set off the "ice apocalypse" at a pace "too quickly for humanity to adapt."

    Holthaus warned the wholesale collapse of two Antarctic glaciers - Pine Island and Thwaites - could happen sooner than previously believed, resulting in "flooding coastal cities and creating hundreds of millions of climate refugees." Sounds terrible, but his conclusions aren't really backed up by the science.

    "I think his article is too pessimistic: that it overstates the possibility of disaster. Too soon, too certain," Tamsin Edwards, a scientist who's studied Antarctica, wrote in The Guardian about Holthaus's article.

    5. 2015 is the 'last effective opportunity' to stop catastrophic warming
    World leaders meeting at the Vatican issued a statement saying that 2015 was the "last effective opportunity to negotiate arrangements that keep human-induced warming below 2-degrees [Celsius]."

    Pope Francis wants to weigh in on global warming, and is expected to issue an encyclical saying basically the same thing. Francis reiterated that 2015 is the last chance to stop massive warming.

    But what he should really say is that the U.N. conference is the "last" chance to cut a deal to stem global warming...since last year when the U.N. said basically the same thing about 2014's climate summit.

    6. France's foreign minister said we only have "500 days" to stop "climate chaos"
    When Laurent Fabius met with Secretary of State John Kerry on May 13, 2014 to talk about world issues he said "we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos."

    Ironically at the time of Fabius' comments, the U.N. had scheduled a climate summit to meet in Paris in December 2015 - some 565 days after his remarks. Looks like the U.N. is 65 days too late to save the world.

    7. Former President Barack Obama is the last chance to stop global warming
    When Obama made the campaign promise to "slow the rise of the oceans," some environmentalists may have taken him quite literally.

    The United Nations Foundation President Tim Wirth told Climatewire in 2012 that Obama's second term was "the last window of opportunity" to impose policies to restrict fossil fuel use. Wirth said it's "the last chance we have to get anything approaching 2 degrees Centigrade," adding that if "we don't do it now, we are committing the world to a drastically different place."

    Even before that, then-National Aeronautics and Space Administration Goddard Space Flight Center head James Hansen warned in 2009 that Obama only "has four years to save Earth."

    8. Remember when we had "hours" to stop global warming?
    World leaders met in Copenhagen, Denmark in 2009 to potentially hash out another climate treaty. That same year, the head of Canada's Green Party wrote that there was only "hours" left to stop global warming.

    "We have hours to act to avert a slow-motion tsunami that could destroy civilization as we know it," Elizabeth May, leader of the Greens in Canada, wrote in 2009. "Earth has a long time. Humanity does not. We need to act urgently. We no longer have decades; we have hours. We mark that in Earth Hour on Saturday."

    9. United Kingdom Prime Minister Gordon Brown said there was only 50 days left to save Earth
    The year 2009 was a bad time for global warming predictions. That year Brown warned there was only "50 days to save the world from global warming," the BBC reported. According to Brown there was "no plan B."

    Brown has been booted out of office since then.

    10. The U.N.'s top climate scientist said in 2007 we only had four years to save the world
    Rajendra Pachauri, the former head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said in 2007 that if "there's no action before 2012, that's too late."

    "What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment," he said.

    Well, it's 2017 and no new U.N. climate treaty has been presented. The only thing that's changed since then is that Pachauri was forced to resign earlier this year amid accusations he sexually harassed multiple female coworkers.

    11. Environmentalists warned in 2002 the world had a decade to go green
    Environmentalist write George Monbiot wrote in the UK Guardian that within "as little as 10 years, the world will be faced with a choice: arable farming either continues to feed the world's animals or it continues to feed the world's people. It cannot do both."

    About 930 million people around the world were undernourished in 2002, according to U.N. data. By 2014, that number shrank to 805 million. Sorry, Monbiot.

    12. Global warming apocalypse 1980s edition
    The U.N. was already claiming in the late 1980s that the world had only a decade to solve global warming or face the consequences.

    The San Jose Mercury News reported June 30, 1989 that a "senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000."

    That prediction didn't come true 17 years ago, and the U.N. is sounding the same alarm today.


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