The Truth about "Alien Abductions" (and much else) from a young Military Insider

[Atlas]

"During my time, I've had multiple occasions where I was told that the things that I had just seen did not exist..."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hQKjdXqmEyo

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

He speaks a lot of sense, and to my mind a great deal of truth, at least as I know it. He was doing really well, until he said 'there are no aliens'.

I beg to differ, I think many Avalonians will. Perhaps he simply did not encounter anything of this reality in his tours of duty - mundanity is probably the norm if you consider the thousands that serve. Ultimately people only really know what they know, because they've been exposed to it. But it is strange for someone who supposedly had his level of clearance. It could be an example of how effective they are duping people, even ranking military personnel, into false systems of belief. Either that or this vid is a clever blend of truth and disinfo. As time goes by it gets more and more difficult to tell.

[7alon]

This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by 7alon (here)
This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says.

Quite possibly yes, as far his experiences and background goes. But the truth I was referring to was his assessment of power hungry elites, the decline of civilization, and the recognition of sovereign human spirit/consciousness. Other details aside, I cannot dispute these realities.

[East Sun]

I, for one, do not believe this guy.

Dis-info comes to mind, right off the bat.

[sheme]

I Felt his sincerity I couldn't hit on his motives unless it was stress overload. I believe he believes what he said. We know it is all "Need to know" info so may be he just didn't need to know. Also his eyes told us all of his anticipated victimhood.

Just caught the end of the video and hear him speak of his brain tumour and life expectancy also his cancer history. I hope he knows he is immortal.

[awakeningmom]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by 7alon (here)
This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says.

Quite possibly yes, as far his experiences and background goes. But the truth I was referring to was his assessment of power hungry elites, the decline of civilization, and the recognition of sovereign human spirit/consciousness. Other details aside, I cannot dispute these realities.

I didn't get that he was lying. I felt that the first part of the video, where he spoke of his own experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. working on "missions that didn't exist" in "lands that were not on (authorized) maps" was him speaking from true experience.

It was only the second half, where he was asked to give his opinion on who rules the world and what's really going and what hope we have (if any) against the ruling families that he got into speculation and reliance on other sources he's likely mined -- just like the rest of us.

I am sure his experiences in the military, where he saw what the military actually does to us ordinary people in order to test and maintain their own control/power capabilities (e.g., electronic harassment, fake UFO's, wars that are not really about what the public thinks, etc), has given him a unique and deeply cynical view of the world. I did think it was interesting, however, that sometimes he seemed to be saying that the military is doing things to "get us where we need to be as a species," which sounds positive, and other times he seemed to suggest that none of what they are doing is for the benefit of the common man/woman, which doesn't sound very good for us at all.

I always wonder about military personnel who engage in these types of black project missions and what narrative they must have to believe in order to do the dirty work they do against the rest of humanity.

[Omni]

Some very good sources out there have not yet figured out the ET situation(not saying this guy is a good source). The operations of impersonating ETs and inventing the contactee jargon serves to make insiders think ETs do not exist here because the military and CIA are definitely deceiving the alt crowds with electromagnetic mind control programs related to them. The rabbit hole goes deeper as most Avalonians know.

I respect the guy though. He seems like he is trying to inform people. He just still has some rough corners to the real picture. Everyone has their own piece of puzzle.

[Builder]

Posted by 7alon (here)
This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

People have different modalities of remembering stuff. I also almost never use visual memories. What I could make out is that he is accessing feelings when talking about his personal experiences (very short on that) and auditory information when talking about high level concepts (most of the interview). So I guess the high level concepts are not his, but what he heard other people say.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by 7alon (here)
This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

I'd suggest it's more like he's being pretty guarded, although he always answers every question: he's constantly choosing his words carefully, referring to a whole menu of fairly general items but rarely going into detail that would cross over into classified territory.

His attitude is one of someone who's angry that he's been lied to, deceived, and used, and has come to understand the real picture that he's pretty sure he's figured out for himself. Because he probably only has a few years to live, he's speaking out, and that felt real to me.

Many genuine whistleblowers talk like that. My guess is that Joe knows exactly what he can and can't [legally] say, and has to do a lot of rapid, real-time self-editing as he forms his sentences. He's certainly smart enough to think very quickly on his feet.

He's incorrect, of course, in his final statement about 'no aliens', but I'd not be convinced that invalidates everything else he shares — much of which is really extremely interesting. I'd recommend the video, and I'm intending to watch it a second time.

[Hym]

Sincere, without putting a gun to his head and doing it himself. Compartmentalization, internally and externally.

[7alon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by 7alon (here)
This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

I'd suggest it's more like he's being pretty guarded, although he always answers every question: he's constantly choosing his words carefully, referring to a whole menu of fairly general items but rarely going into detail that would cross over into classified territory.

His attitude is one of someone who's angry that he's been lied to, deceived, and used, and has come to understand the real picture that he's pretty sure he's figured out for himself. Because he probably only has a few years to live, he's speaking out, and that felt real to me.

Many genuine whistleblowers talk like that. My guess is that Joe knows exactly what he can and can't [legally] say, and has to do a lot of rapid, real-time self-editing as he forms his sentences. He's certainly smart enough to think very quickly on his feet.

He's incorrect, of course, in his final statement about 'no aliens', but I'd not be convinced that invalidates everything else he shares — much of which is really extremely interesting. I'd recommend the video, and I'm intending to watch it a second time.

My apologies to everybody, I honestly don't know what came over me when I said this. I've been doing a bit of regression and its bringing out some unusual feelings. Anyway. I watched the entire video this time (like I bloody well should have) and yes I believe he is being sincere. During the latter part of the interview he does believe what he is saying, but I believe that it is due to what he feels he has learned, not his own actual experiences.

The first part he wasn't actually lying, he was thinking about how to construct what he knows in a manner where he isn't going to get himself in trouble. As Bill said, he is being guarded. Oh and in the latter part of the video he was actually accessing visual memory. I'm guessing he's recalling what he learned.

Oh man I don't know what came over me last night, that was absolutely irresponsible of me to be so irrational. Thanks for helping me get my head out of my rear guys.

[onawah]

From what I understand, military people often share with each other what they are forbidden to share publicly by their security clearances, and so even though this guy may not have experienced any ETs himself, it seems hard to believe that others he encountered in the military who have, did not share with him at some point.
Possible, but it seems unlikely to me.
Or possibly his memories have been erased, or he is suffering some other kind of mind control.

[7alon]

Posted by onawah (here)
From what I understand, military people often share with each other what they are forbidden to share publicly by their security clearances, and so even though this guy may not have experienced any ETs himself, it seems hard to believe that others he encountered in the military who have, did not share with him at some point.
Possible, but it seems unlikely to me.
Or possibly his memories have been erased, or he is suffering some other kind of mind control.

I'd say that he may very well know people who have witnessed ufo incidents, but believes it is a psyop to distract society and that humans created the tech by themselves. He isn't the first to believe this. Bill Cooper ended up saying the same thing. I do disagree with both of them, though. He talks about this around 50 seconds into the video below.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=w-uTEIHqTuk

[lunaflare]

"Unite as a species", is the phrase that resounded for me. This guy came across as attuned and sensitive to our plight on earth at this time.
I gained strength from watching this; not fear nor despair (which is disabling). Thanks for posting.

[Omni]

RE: Engineered Demographics; They have a small demographic of ET believers that think they are all benevolent. Steven Greer etc. They have a large demographic that thinks all ETs are demons or evil. This is the Christian leaning crowd and similar crowds typically. They have a demographic thinking ET's do not exist or aren't around here (Scientism or some of these black ops guys that weren't given access to the top stuff). And finally, where I feel the truth is, there are both highly evil and very benevolent ETs.

[Eram]

Posted by 7alon (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by 7alon (here)
This guy is lying about most of the stuff he says. His body language is quite deceitful. I don't think I even saw him accessing visual memory once.

I'd suggest it's more like he's being pretty guarded, although he always answers every question: he's constantly choosing his words carefully, referring to a whole menu of fairly general items but rarely going into detail that would cross over into classified territory.

His attitude is one of someone who's angry that he's been lied to, deceived, and used, and has come to understand the real picture that he's pretty sure he's figured out for himself. Because he probably only has a few years to live, he's speaking out, and that felt real to me.

Many genuine whistleblowers talk like that. My guess is that Joe knows exactly what he can and can't [legally] say, and has to do a lot of rapid, real-time self-editing as he forms his sentences. He's certainly smart enough to think very quickly on his feet.

He's incorrect, of course, in his final statement about 'no aliens', but I'd not be convinced that invalidates everything else he shares — much of which is really extremely interesting. I'd recommend the video, and I'm intending to watch it a second time.

My apologies to everybody, I honestly don't know what came over me when I said this. I've been doing a bit of regression and its bringing out some unusual feelings. Anyway. I watched the entire video this time (like I bloody well should have) and yes I believe he is being sincere. During the latter part of the interview he does believe what he is saying, but I believe that it is due to what he feels he has learned, not his own actual experiences.

The first part he wasn't actually lying, he was thinking about how to construct what he knows in a manner where he isn't going to get himself in trouble. As Bill said, he is being guarded. Oh and in the latter part of the video he was actually accessing visual memory. I'm guessing he's recalling what he learned.

Oh man I don't know what came over me last night, that was absolutely irresponsible of me to be so irrational. Thanks for helping me get my head out of my rear guys.

No man overboard 7alon.
Just some jumping to conclusions, like we all do from time to time.
And who's to say that your conclusions were wrong?
It's not like he brought any evidence to his claims after all.

I think he's honest and sincere though, but I can't be certain.

There must be thousands like him I guess.
People who seen things and been to places that are not meant for public eyes.
Must be pretty lonely to have knowledge of such big secrets and not allowed to share them with the public.


So in a nutshell, what I heard him say can be categorized into two groups.
- That what he saw and experienced first hand (The places that he's visited, the technologies that he's seen, the secret face of warfare, the corporate powers that behave like nation states etc)
- The story about humanity and live that he created with that knowledge, combined with his own research (the question of E.T.'s, how life should be, how humanity should live, our history, the history of the control structures, the origine of human technology etc).

The one things that stood out to me most is that according to his testimony, the president of the US has no clearance to secrets that even special sergeants in the military do have.
Pretty weird situation if true.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by lunaflare (here)
"Unite as a species", is the phrase that resounded for me. This guy came across as attuned and sensitive to our plight on earth at this time.
I gained strength from watching this; not fear nor despair (which is disabling). Thanks for posting.

Yes, I agree. I felt 'Joe' was centered, grounded, smart, aware, authentic, articulate and courageous. I'd be most interested to know if he ever released or stated anything else... this video was published 18 months ago.

(For anyone who's reading this but not seen the video, Joe talks about much more than just alien abductions... I took the liberty of amending the thread title just a little. I would really encourage folks to watch this.)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Eram (here)
The one things that stood out to me most is that according to his testimony, the president of the US has no clearance to secrets that even special sergeants in the military do have.
Pretty weird situation if true.

Yes, that's correct. Aerospace black projects researcher Michael Schratt defined a Special Access Program in the following way. (This is my close paraphrase of his explanation in a conference presentation a few years ago)

• A Special Access Program is such that if the President of the US asks about the program, the correct answer to give him is: "Sir, no such program exists."

[norman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Eram (here)
The one things that stood out to me most is that according to his testimony, the president of the US has no clearance to secrets that even special sergeants in the military do have.
Pretty weird situation if true.

Yes, that's correct. Aerospace black projects researcher Michael Schratt defined a Special Access Program in the following way. (This is my close paraphrase of his explanation in a conference presentation a few years ago)

• A Special Access Program is such that if the President of the US asks about the program, the correct answer to give him is: "Sir, no such program exists."

That sort of explains what Gordon Duff wrote about Trump, not that I really believe Duff was telling the truth but it might be the smug superiority he wanted to inject. He said Trump asked for the FEMA camps to be made ready, but was told they don't exist.