Magnesium supplement - what form is best?

[Dennis Leahy]

Magnesium supplements come as a variety of chemical compounds (magnesium taurinate, glycinate, gluconate, citrate, oxide, aspartate...)

Mag citrate I associate with "bowel cleansing" (self-induced diarrhea) before proctoscopic exams, but the rest of the compounds... well, which do you recommend, and why?

If it helps, I am looking to increase my intake of magnesium to see if it positively affects my neurological system. I'm also asking about magnesium for 2 other people, both of whom are interested in the anti-depressant properties of magnesium. (One of them just started taking Zoloft - because modern Western "medicine" doesn't even glance at what vitamins, minerals, pure water, clean air/oxygen, quality food, exercise, sunshine, yoga, etc. can do - they just immediately reach for their prescription pads and (often using a pen with a pharmaceutical logo on it), write a prescription.

Thanks in advance for any assistance with this.

Dennis

[Mike]

hi Dennis, ive got quite a bit of experience in this area actually...

i would suggest a product called 'Ease'. its a magnesium spray (mag chloride). its absorbed thru the skin and immediately enters the bloodstream. ive had some luck with this company's products. very high quality.

mag pills are okay, but are a little unsettling and often result in diarrhea. plus, i believe some of it is lost during digestion.

https://www.activationproducts.com/p...ase-magnesium/

[Jean-Marie]

I suggest looking at this Project Avalon thread.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...um+bicarbonate

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Mike (here)
hi Dennis, ive got quite a bit of experience in this area actually...

i would suggest a product called 'Ease'. its a magnesium spray (mag chloride). its absorbed thru the skin and immediately enters the bloodstream. ive had some luck with this company's products. very high quality.

mag pills are okay, but are a little unsettling and often result in diarrhea. plus, i believe some of it is lost during digestion.

https://www.activationproducts.com/p...ase-magnesium/

Yes - the "spray on" is called transdermal magnesium. It's a great way to boost ones magnesium levels, quickly. You can get it as a solution, such as this, already dissolved in water, ready to spray on your skin, or as a powder, that you can add water to. A kilogram (1000 gm) of this magnesium chloride powder might cost $20, and at a half-gram (0.5 gm) per day of magnesium would last 1000/0.5 == 2000 days == about 6 years, for a penny per day.

Another classic is foot soaks with epsom salts, which is a solution of magnesium sulfate, another water soluable form, that is also absorbed through the skin.

Then there is Bob's epic thread Magnesium BiCarbonate Water - a guide to make, for a homemade magnesium solution that is suitable for adding to one's drinking water.

Then there are fancier potions, that include other helpful aids to absorbtion, such as Ultra Pure Magnesium Oil with OptiMSM.

So far as oral supplements, http://peoplesrx.com/the-best-kind-o...esium-for-you/ says that Magnesium L-threonate might benefit neurological and brain function more.

Magnesium oxide is a form of powdered rock, and is cheap but very poorly absorbed.

The chelated forms come in larger tablets - you can end up taking "horse pill" sized supplements for the larger doses, which some people will find to be a problem. Magnesium citrate can be a good compromise on price, pill size, and absorbability.

I routinely add both home made magnesium bicarbonate (not insoluable magnesium carbonate) and magnesium sulfate (aka Epsom salts) to my drinking water, along with a wide assortment of other minerals. If I want to clean out my intestines real good, real fast, I use the same magnesium sulfate ... just more of it, as explained here.

[onawah]

I can't remember now where I read this, but there is research showing that glyphosate (which is pretty much unavoidable in the US at least) blocks the absorption of magnesium in the digestive system, which may be one big reason we are experiencing so much magnesium deficiency) but it can still be absorbed through the skin, so using it topically is probably your best bet.
Magnesium oil is expensive, but an inexpensive solution is to take frequent epsom salt baths, and/or dissolve equal parts magnesium flakes and boiling water which you can use to make your own magnesium oil.
I get mine here:
https://www.vitacost.com/life-flo-pu...FZE1aQod7HkA_g
By itself, the solution is itchy when applied, but I make a blend of shea butter and coconut oil, apply that first and then spray on the magnesium oil.
It takes awhile to absorb and is oily so I do it just before bed and lie on a towel until it's dry.

[DeDukshyn]

Depends on what you need it for ...

Please read through this short but incredibly comprehensive article on all the forms and how each is different. Also do peruse the comments - some excellent info answered by the author, our own Dr. Paul Hrkal -- naturopathic medical advisor for AOR.

Dennis if you have any specific questions regarding appropriate forms of magnesium for certain conditions, or any other general info - my colleague Paul (Dr. Hrkal) will answer your questions on that blog article thread.

https://drnibber.com/understanding-d...-of-magnesium/



And here is an article on why even though magnesium is quite a ubiquitous mineral, we still have deficiencies.
https://drnibber.com/q-a-why-is-magn...on-deficiency/ <-- EDIT: just fixed this link

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks so much to all of you that took the time to answer and provide resources. I will investigate them.

:~)

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Dennis Dr.Carolyn Dean is known as the 'Magnesium queen' This is something
I have to look into as well. I follow Bob & Ion but the third member and validates
a lot of the medical info they discuss in their shows is Dr.Carolyn Dean who is in
her 90's as is Bob but look , act and live like a lot younger folks.....

I saw this article on David Ickes site a few days ago and I was thinking about this...

Natural News....

EPA scientist warns that glyphosate (RoundUp) herbicide strips minerals out of
food, leaving the body deficient in Zinc and Magnesium

Sunday, March 19, 2017 by: JD Heyes
Tags: carcinogen, EPA, glyphosate, Monsanto, Roundup

http://naturalnews.com/2017-03-19-ep...magnesium.html




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Magnesium Deficiency 101 - Dr. Carolyn Dean

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3td7_91UwrU

Published on 15 Oct 2016


In this interview with Lars of the Body/Mind Institute, Dr. Carolyn Dean provides
an excellent overview of magnesium deficiency symptoms and treatment protocols
that can be used by the lay person or practitioner. Excellent, self-empowering
information for health and well-being.

http://drcarolyndean.com
http://blog.rnareset.com
http://drcarolyndeanlive.com

Video content and time stamps:

Dr. Dean – background on discovering The Magnesium Miracle

3:52 – Avoiding the allopathic approach

5:42 – How minerals affect the electrical conductivity of the body

7:27 – How vitamins and minerals effect your genes

9:28 – How people are suffering from diet and supplement fanaticism

13:00 – Full slide screen presentation on The Magnesium Miracle

13:40 – Dr. Dean’s own magnesium deficiency symptoms

14:45 - Preventing the laxative effect while using magnesium

15:50 – The calcium, Vitamin D and magnesium intersection

16:28 – The functions of magnesium

17:45 – Magnesium’s role in ATP production

19:40 – How did I become magnesium deficient? Quiz

29:00 – Fluoride through water, dental products and drugs

34:00 – Seriously magnesium depleting drugs like Cipro, Prozac, Lipitor, Flecainide and PPI’s like Prevacid

38:05 – Acid reflux, anxiety and adrenal fatigue – treating these symptoms naturally through magnesium and minerals

41:45 - Low magnesium is a medically recognized sign of diabetics

43:45 – How much magnesium does a person require?

51:15 – Therapeutic forms of magnesium

54:25 – What other minerals should I be using?

1:01 – Closing comments

[bettye198]

We only use Magnesium Lactate in our practice. Made by Standard Process in Wisconsin.

[dynamo]

Glad I found this thread, been looking at magnesium for heart issues (arrhythmia), chest pain and high blood pressure.
An herbalist friend of mine emailed this info to me yesterday:

make sure you are doing hawthron lleaf teas --magnesium citrate 100mgs with taurine 500mgs and potassium 99mgs and do these minimally 4 times a day
and adding cq10 100mgs
lay off pops which deplete the mag and potassium and no processed sugar --number 1 killer for most people of ethnic origins --insulin up Testosterone down and when the T goes down so does the heart for males since it has the highest levels

Hope it is somewhat on topic.
I am going to gather up the ingredients in the next few days.
I have done the magnesium citrate (no issues with diarrhea) and taurine some 3-4 years ago but have had surgery for heart valve issues since then.

[enigma3]

I have used Now colloidal minerals to supplement my regular vitamin intake for years. 15 minerals from prehistoric plant deposits in Utah. Good stuff. I remember a tape from the 70's called Dead Doctors Don't Lie that stated as we age we absorb less vitamins, even naturally. One of the best ways found even then was to take colloidal minerals, the vitamins you wish to take and orange juice after your biggest meal of the day. I see this as a long term attempt to balance the minerals in the ol' body.

[Jon-tom]

I take magnesium once a day for muscle cramps. I spend 10 hour workdays standing on a concrete floor. And I'm not getting enough cardio exercise. But I found out just now, thanks to this thread, that taurine is good for you. I have high blood pressure, too. I thought taurine was something bad they put in those energy drinks.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
If it helps, I am looking to increase my intake of magnesium to see if it positively affects my neurological system. I'm also asking about magnesium for 2 other people, both of whom are interested in the anti-depressant properties of magnesium.

Lithium, too. It's been explained to me by a holistic practitioner who really knows his stuff that lithium orotate is the best form. It helps to optimize all neurological function.

Although we don't need much, almost everyone is deficient in lithium these days. The cause is not well understood, but it's theorized it may have to do with too much aluminum in the environment, and in food. The body absorbs the aluminum from everywhere around, and lithium absorption (which is important) gets sidelined and is a casualty.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Although we don't need much, almost everyone is deficient in lithium these days. The cause is not well understood, but it's theorized it may have to do with too much aluminum in the environment, and in food.

I'd be surprised, off-hand, if there was much overlap in the biochemistry, between the effects of lithium, and of aluminum. True, they both effect the nervous system, and other biological systems, but I would expect that they effect different specific biochemical reactions, because their basic chemistry is different.

Lithium is in the first column in the periodic table, above sodium and potassium, all with a single electron in the outer shell. Lithium and its one-electron outer shell colleagues, sodium and potassium, are critical to many biological activities. That outer electron conducts easily. Lithium, being the smallest of the three, has the most energetic bonding, so is the easiest of the three to overdose. Sodium and potassium are both needed in relatively larger amounts, and should be in some sort of balance in the diet, as many biochemical reactions will oscillate back and forth between using the two of them, the smaller sodium bonding a bit tighter, and the larger potassium bonding to the same places, a bit looser.

Aluminum is two columns over, under boron, with three electons in the outer shell. None of the elements in that column are essential except for the smallest of them, the boron, and that should only consumed in small quantities. Apparently there are a few, relatively rare, biochemical actions that call for a mineral with exactly 3 outer shell electrons. Aluminum and the heavier elements below boron are toxic ... the less consumed the better. Aluminum is poorly absorbed, which is good, as aluminum is very abundant in the earth's crust. What aluminum does get into the body (say as a vaccine adjuvant) is quite toxic to the nervous system.

We likely (usually) used to get more or less adequate amounts of these minerals from our water, and from the plants and animals that grew up on the same water. However our industrially processed (and industrially polluted) water, our mineral depleted soils that feed the plants and animals we eat, and the mineral binding glyphosate (Round Up) have delivered a one-two-three punch to our mineral sources. Those living on relatively healthy land, with locally grown food by traditional means, no glyphosate, and good spring or mountain stream water (hi Bill) may still be getting most of the minerals they need in their normal diet and water. Many of us are not so fortunate.

I personally spend a substantial effort (1) cleaning out the bad stuff out of my municipal water, (2) adding back in a wide variety of essential minerals in soluable forms, and (3) re-energizing the water's structure with music, light, magnets and vortices.

[Olaf]

According to drnibber.com/understanding-different-types-of-magnesium..

Magnesium orotate ... has good bioavailability has had been studied specifically for heart health. Orotates can penetrate cell membranes, enabling the effective delivery of the magnesium ion to the innermost layers of the cellular mitochondria and nucleus.

Nevertheless, it can be hard to fix the deficits with magnesium orotate.

Below you see the result of a multi trace element analyses of one of my patients (DMSA mobilisation test).
Last year this woman took almost 700 tablets of 500 mg magnesium ororate. Nevertheless, she still has a magnesium shortage of -59 percent.

BTW: you see also very huge deficiencies of ferrum and lithium, selen, kobalt (= vitamin B12), molybden, and vanadium.

[Ewan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
If it helps, I am looking to increase my intake of magnesium to see if it positively affects my neurological system. I'm also asking about magnesium for 2 other people, both of whom are interested in the anti-depressant properties of magnesium.

Lithium, too. It's been explained to me by a holistic practitioner who really knows his stuff that lithium orotate is the best form. It helps to optimize all neurological function.

Although we don't need much, almost everyone is deficient in lithium these days. The cause is not well understood, but it's theorized it may have to do with too much aluminum in the environment, and in food. The body absorbs the aluminum from everywhere around, and lithium absorption (which is important) gets sidelined and is a casualty.

Care to expand on this somewhere. Recommended dosage, quality supplier etc. There is lots of it on Ebay, along with Lithium Aspartate?

Dennis, I'd certainly recommend the 'making your own water' method based on peronal experience.

Paul When are you ever going to get around to describing your water making process, as you intimated you might somewhere..

[dynamo]

Posted by Paul (here)
... Those living on relatively healthy land, with locally grown food by traditional means, no glyphosate, and good spring or mountain stream water (hi Bill) may still be getting most of the minerals they need in their normal diet and water. Many of us are not so fortunate.

I personally spend a substantial effort (1) cleaning out the bad stuff out of my municipal water, (2) adding back in a wide variety of essential minerals in soluable forms, and (3) re-energizing the water's structure with music, light, magnets and vortices.

Thanks Paul, I don't mean to get off topic but would you mind sharing how you revitalize your drinking water?
We run our city water through a 7-stage Reverse Osmosis system which includes a mineral-adding "polishing filter" as the last stage.
Do you place it in a jug or pitcher afterward and then proceed with the audio, electromagnetic and physical stimulation?

Posted by Ewan (here)
...
Paul When are you ever going to get around to describing your water making process, as you intimated you might somewhere..

[EDIT]
Oooops, I see now that Ewan had already asked the same thing...

[conk]

Posted by bettye198 (here)
We only use Magnesium Lactate in our practice. Made by Standard Process in Wisconsin.

From what I've learned over several decades, there is no better supplement company than Standard Process. A few perhaps are equal in some respects, but SP is the standard bearer. The quality and effectiveness is unsurpassed.

And yes, I agree, chemicals in our environment are blocking the absorption of vitamins and minerals (what little there is in the plants now days). I eat lots of magnesium rich foods, yet was recently tested as being extremely low in it. Have since gone to topical use as described above. Right after a shower. It goes on easily and is absorbed quickly. Epson baths every few days too.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ewan (here)
...Paul When are you ever going to get around to describing your water making process, as you intimated you might somewhere..

Posted by dynamo (here)
Thanks Paul, I don't mean to get off topic but would you mind sharing how you revitalize your drinking water?

Ok - finally - enjoy: How to "make" healthy water: filters, minerals and energy

[marielle]

I'm sure many will think this is complete overkill, but, hey, what the heck...after realizing that my panic attacks and other issues were due to a magnesium deficiency, I started using magnesium "oil" however I discovered that bathing in magnesium water really helped me as well but I was spending too much money on the salts every night for a soak. Long story short--I've created a magnesium soaking spa that I keep in my bathtub. I keep it heated and sterilized like a hot tub. So I get both the benefits of a hot soak--like a Japanese Ofuro tub and the transdermal magnesium.

I put 55 gallons of water in the vinyl soaking tub, enough to soak up to my neck. For salts I add about 20 lbs of magnesium chloride (from the Dead Sea) and 20 lbs of magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt). It's a wonderful experience. I keep it heated to 102 to 105 degrees and it uses about 2.5 KWH per day. It's wrapped in a insulation blanket and covered with a 3 inch thick (clear vinyl-wrapped) circular piece of foam rubber when not in use.

I heat it with a fish tank heater and sterilize it with a 13 watt UV light and pump--both submersible and both made for salt water tanks. I oxidize with 35% H2O2. I also run a bigger Intex filter pump a few hours every couple of days. Setting up that filter pump is the only real hassle since I don't soak with those big hoses in the tub. It's all plugged into a GFCI outlet.

Here's a picture that I was almost too embarrassed to post. I'm still tweaking the whole setup. This has been a work-in-progress for several months.


And if you're wondering if you can fit--my husband is 6'2" 200 lbs and he fits. You have to sit with your legs crossed or with your knees folded up.