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    Depression cure ?

    Okay a simple but very effective mothod you can wasily do isget on B Vitamin Complex. He should start off on a 199mg complex that are NOT time release. YOU schould then split the tablet into 4 so you taking 25mg 4x dayly. After 2-3 mouths on this you schould then split the tablet on 50mg a day for a nice period of time. This is something depression. at usually works quickly and adis people well with depression .I dont usually promote vitamins but in a centain circustances like this it will suit them well till they become hollistic. Also i got my aunt of 20 years of prozac with simple a B Complex.
    A Complex means all the B`s are present and balanced. We should never take seperate B vitamins. You may like use a compo og these essential olis : Ylang Ylang, Clary Sage Rose and Frankincense. This will help the Root chakra linked to depression as would a chiropraktor adjustment of the Coccyx and Sacrum.

    Yes it would aid you but ideally the use of nervine herbs would be better for anxiety. Thyroid plays a large part with anxiety and should be ckecked. Maybe an intake of iodine in the form of either natural Green black Walnut or synthetic Lugol`s iodine liquid from amazon.

    For fighting B Complex hunger :

    Try Olive Leaf Extract (Ollea europea L.) 5ml for 1-2 weeks then go to 5ml twice dayly. The ideal is to help suppress the eating pangs via going after the Thyroid which may be the source of the depression. Some Withania somnifera may also be of use eventually along side Olea.

    You can just take Olive Leaf Extract (Ollea europea L.) and Withania somnifera together.

    Should the B Complex be split from day one?

    Depends on the size of your complex if 100mg then you can split it into two and have 50mg day and 50mg night or whatever. Never utilise time release as their a waste of money due to the coating actually most times not allowing virtually anything out into the gut.

    Olea works quickly within days if its a quelity herb you have sourced.


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    1. There are two main causes for depression:
    • circumstances in personal life and in the family system
    • biochemical deficits or toxic processes that are causing shortage
      of neurotransmitters (mostly of serotonin and dopamine)

    So when you want to heal depression, you may have to act on all levels of human existence: biology, psychology, mind, spirit


    2. When you want to heal biochemical causes for depression, you 1st have to find them.
    There are a lot of possibilities:
    • deficiencies of one or more of these substances: vitamin B6, magnesium, zinc, ferrum, SAM, folat, tyrosine, tryptophan
    • endogen and exogen toxins including heavy metals, medicals, drugs and much more
    • processes in the brain (tumors, disturbed blood supply, edemas - even as a result of psychological processes)

    Taking B-vitamins may help in some cases, and may not in others. For instance you will see no effect of taking vitamins when tyrosine or tryptophan are missing or when you have very low ATP in brain cells, so that SAM cannot be produced, which is also needed.

    Vitamin B6 is essential to produce serotonin or dopamine. In order to be able to work, vitamin B6 has to be converted into an active form (P5P). This only can be done when the body has enough magnesium and zinc.

    Code:
    Tryptophan -----------------> 5-HTP --------> Serotonin
                     Zinc, B6, Folat	           B6 (P5P)
                     SAM, BH4, Ferrum
    Tyrosin -----------------------> L-Dopa -------> Dopamine
                     Zinc, B6, Folat	           B6 (P5P)
                     SAM, BH4, Ferrum
    Also vitamin D and A are necessary for brain function. Vitamin D is needed in the dopamine receptor.

    It is not good to take separate B vitamins. But on the other hand you will need much, much more of one special B-vitamin than of the others. That cannot be done with a B vitamin complex.
    In short: you will need both.

    The main cause for lack of neurotransmitters - which goes hand in hand with depression - is cryptopyrroluria. About 10% of people have this disorder. About 90% of people with nitrosative stress have this disorder.

    Those people are loosing every day amounts of vitamin B6, zinc and manganese with their urine.
    Healthy people have 0...40 g/l cryptopyrrol in urine. People with cryptopyrroluria have 2...20 times as much: 90...800 g/l. You can imagine what this does to the body in a larger time frame.

    These people mostly need vitamin B6, zinc and manganese in large amounts and other B-vitamins in small amounts.

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    What about purely energetic/spiritual sources?

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    The only reason i wrote a question mark was because did not wanted to promiss too much. Craig Oxley aka 2tuff from Unhived mind said he got his aunt of antidepressive she had been on prozac for 25 years. I dont have any problems myself.

    But thank you anyway for your great input.
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    It must be said that most B vitamins available are synthetic, therefore mostly worthless. Your Bs should be in raw, whole food form and therefore bioavailable. They are not hard to find if you read labels carefully. Sadly, most vitamins are made and sold by the giant pharmaceutical companies. They give the product nice, natural sounding names, but the product is near worthless. They cost pennies to make, often have fewer levels of ingredients than stated on the label, and are sold for dollars. A huge scam. I'd grossly estimate that 75-90% of all sold are synthetic.

    Quality fatty acids are important for good mental health, an array of 3,6, 7, and 9s. Again, raw and unheated, with minimal processing.

    And yes, the emotional and spiritual aspects are important too. Finding balance in this harsh world is difficult. Exercises to settle the autonomic nervous system are necessary. Stress mitigation in simple terms.
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    I'd highly suggest 20 minutes Binaural Beats therapy when depressed.

    Simply dedicate 20 minutes to this site with the timer. Set the hz to around 7, crank up the volume, put on some headphones, and simply try to relax. Focus on just making yourself as comfortable as possible in order to let everything go. Feel the circular beat as it slowly tunes your brain to a more relaxed state.

    THEN GO GARDEN AND EAT FRESH FOOD! Throw that extract on some greens and throw a dance party with friends.
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    Quote Posted by conk (here)
    It must be said that most B vitamins available are synthetic, therefore mostly worthless. Your Bs should be in raw, whole food form and therefore bioavailable. They are not hard to find if you read labels carefully. Sadly, most vitamins are made and sold by the giant pharmaceutical companies. They give the product nice, natural sounding names, but the product is near worthless. They cost pennies to make, often have fewer levels of ingredients than stated on the label, and are sold for dollars. A huge scam. I'd grossly estimate that 75-90% of all sold are synthetic.

    Quality fatty acids are important for good mental health, an array of 3,6, 7, and 9s. Again, raw and unheated, with minimal processing.

    And yes, the emotional and spiritual aspects are important too. Finding balance in this harsh world is difficult. Exercises to settle the autonomic nervous system are necessary. Stress mitigation in simple terms.
    Do you have some links of whici Vitamin and supplements companys who are own by big pharma companys?

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    It must be said that most B vitamins available are synthetic, therefore mostly worthless. Your Bs should be in raw, whole food form and therefore bioavailable. They are not hard to find if you read labels carefully. Sadly, most vitamins are made and sold by the giant pharmaceutical companies. They give the product nice, natural sounding names, but the product is near worthless. They cost pennies to make, often have fewer levels of ingredients than stated on the label, and are sold for dollars. A huge scam. I'd grossly estimate that 75-90% of all sold are synthetic. ...
    I disagree a little with a bit of this ... or rather, wish to elaborate.

    First though, what I can fully agree with; I will say that big pharma companies do indeed have their own "formulas" and use specially chosen forms of those molecules for their multivitamins, that seek to cause health imbalances rather than correct them. A good example is to take a look at Bayer's multivitamin formula (can't recall the exact brand) - one will notice (if in the know) that they use one molecule of one (of two) type of vitamin E. Vitamin E is actually a complex of eight different molecules, and they have different functions as well as the effect where if you get too much of one of the two main types (tocopherals vs tocotrienols), it actually further depletes the other and causes imbalances and health issues, particularly heart health issues -- and I am sure it is just a coincident that Bayer makes billions off of aspirin and many other heart health specific drugs and devices. So they purposely feed you crap vitamin forms and formulations with the expectation that you will have heart issues later in life and will need their products that only insurance or rich relatives can afford, etc. The crappiness is almost always in the "form" or formula itself, and not whether the molecules were synthesized or not.

    On to what I partially disagree with: The form of the molecule (what the molecule is made of and how it is structured) is what determines its bioavailability - not whether it is "synthetic" or not. In 99% of the cases, the human body does not care nor can tell the difference functionally between what you are calling "synthetic", and other molecules found in nature.

    Most often, "synthetic" is a term that is used for molecules that are "synthesized" through a process called bio-fermentation. Bio-fermentation is simply a process of feeding a specific microbe a "food" that it processes and outputs a result of that fermentation. Similar to how our own guts utilize natural yeasts and other microbes in our guts to get a far greater diversity of nutrients than we would otherwise be able to get - it's the same process, except in pharmaceutical premises, there are strict ways to eliminate contamination, therefore a synthesized molecule is "pure".

    Bio-availability is roughly based on two main premises: 1) can the molecule get through the gut wall? 2) can molecule get to target site before elimination? That's basically it. In the case of bio-fermentation, the body can't really distinguish what plant or life form created the vitamin molecule.

    That said, there can be some chemically synthesized vitamins - those are possibly more risky (depends on a lot of variables) and I can say to avoid those, but at the same time know that synthesis via bio-fermentation is different. I personally avoid most chemical synthetics especially synthetic vitamin E.

    As for the importance of the forms of the molecules and/or the formulations , a good example is indicated within Olaf's accurate statement above:

    Quote Posted by Olaf (here)
    ... Vitamin B6 is essential to produce serotonin or dopamine. In order to be able to work, vitamin B6 has to be converted into an active form (P5P). This only can be done when the body has enough magnesium and zinc. ...
    This type of condition, where, "in order for X to work, conditions Y and Z must be present" is very very true for many forms of vitamins, and many of the cheaper, crappier forms require other molecules to be present and often processing by the liver, often more than once, to render it down in the actual form that the body can use; before this point it exists as a what is called a precursor. Occasionally there is reasons to not use the exact form the body can use - for example, molecular stability in the body's forms can be an issue - but often the cheapest forms require many conditions to actually be properly taken up by the body however these molecules are derived -- from natural sources or not, does not matter. On top of all this, the ratios when considering a complex of vitamins is also a major factor.

    This is particularly true of B vitamins. A good vitamin B supplement will give you, for example in the case Olaf indicated, P-5-P directly, as the B6 source -- not pyridoxine, the cheaper and more common form you could find in a supplement, and subsequently, bypassing this "condition" altogether for greatly enhanced bio-availability.

    So the form of the vitamin and the ratios (in a blend), and the dosing they come in is really the key factor in determining a quality supplement. Unfortunately, its hard to know this stuff without a ton of reading and research.

    BTW, what I most often recommend to people is to grow a garden.



    Here's an article that portrays what I am saying on the importance of the vitamin form, more in depth, and more technical than I can: https://drnibber.com/bioactive-forms...created-equal/

    A sure fire way to assess the quality of your supplements is to check if the vitamins and mineral are in the most biologically active and absorbable forms. Most formulations contain vitamins and minerals in their most commonly used and often cheapest form. To the untrained eye this may not seem like a big deal especially if the cost of the formulation seems like a good bargain. Allow me to shed some light on why the most active forms of vitamins and minerals can have a substantial benefit to your health and can sometimes be the difference between on effect vs. a profound shift in your health. ....
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