Trump alienates FBI -- Wiretapping

[AutumnW]

It was just a matter of time. I know acres of digital ink have been used up on this subject and I am going to try to succinctly explain what has just happened and why I find it so funny.

When Trump accused Obama of wiretapping, (leave aside whether that actually happened, as it's beside the point) he inadvertently accused the FBI of wiretapping. Split hairs all you want on the details here but essentially, this is the agency that would be tasked with carrying out a presidentially dictated wiretap.

Now if they did that, it would make Obama guilty but also the FBI guilty.

LOL. Does he not know who his friends are and who loathed the Democrats? Does he not realize it was Comey who helped him win at the 11th hour ?

He's history now. The long knives are out for him, in his own party and in both arms of the police state -- CIA and FBI. Bye bye Angry Cheetos, Apricot Fuhrer.

But wait...it's all cool because when he's gone, Pence will step in, and usher in a right wing Christian theocratic state, while people are scouring the internets finding 'proof' Hillary is a pedophilic cannibal.

Enjoy!

[bobme]

The end result in these political carnivals that are happening is to create diversion and distraction from the facts that are occurring. you, and I, are being constantly lied to, and betrayed by those that really believe they are more intelligent than we are. Why cannot the "brilliant leaders in High government standing", not see the obvious things of recession, inflation,intrusion upon all freedoms, the total rape of land,the poisons that are shoved down our mouths, ears, noses,and eyes. The Powers that be know what you are doing always. Wiretapping is occurring to you always nowadays.

[white wizard]

Notice how there using the slow drip technique to expose the wiretapping. To me that shows they now it's gonna blow when the truth comes out but if they do it slowly it will just blow over like the Irs scandal, wiki leaks and many others.

[ghostrider]

I like how they started all this , Trump working with the Russians to steal the election, how would they know that if he wasn't being wire tapped/spied on ... three times the FBI asked for FISA warrants, in 2016 January, June, and again in August... the one in January was granted... they then freak out when Trump says the were spying on him ... political theater overload , the love of Obama and the hatred of Trump couldn't be more obvious, the media slant is exposed right up in your face ( for all the sleeping doubters)...

[AutumnW]

It is all a big stupid game. It used to be much more Machiovellian, now it's more out in the open, with Trump being given a very long leash by the intelligence community.

So, he still has Mossad on his side and military intelligence, but he has lost the FBI, which is Yuuuuge.

It's also clear he's losing the support of the tea party elements of congress. That support was always tenuous, as he would like to spend the country into oblivion and they are for 'fiscal responsibility'. And that means gutting ALL social programs, and replacing Obama-care with something that would cause death and extreme deprivation, at home, while beefing up the military. And their plans are MUCH more harsh and militaristic than Trump's.

They're gearing up for a quick impeachment, after the 2018 elections, with Obamacare still in place, so the mass of his constituents aren't yet marinating in the sheer pain and chaos of their own folly. For that's what it is, an exercise in emotion over logic, of making noble the ignoble, of utter and complete false hope.

Get ready for Christian re-education camps, under Pence, and watch the movie, 'Idiocracy,' a few times. And ask not who those FEMA camps are being built for. They are being built for THEE.

Unfortunately, Americans are the new chosen people -- chosen to live out the consequences of irrational decisions. Trump supporters, who had and have very legitimate concerns about their stupid health care fiasco and jobs loss are in for a world of pain. Because Trump isn't noble and he's probably being duped and will be the fall guy for this whole dog and pony show.

[AutumnW]

I want to add one more thing here, that is THE most important point. This whole game isn't a good guys against bad guys scenario, it's a bad guys against other bad guys. Had Hillary won, Americans would be in for God knows how many more years of Democrat style corruption, propaganda and having every issue forced down the extruder of race and religion, ignoring the realities of structural unemployment and poverty. Plus, the dems were all about encircling Russia and creating more Chaos-istans. Very very bad people!

[white wizard]

I think your under estimating trumps supporters considering they got an outsider elected against all odds. He represents change and is shaking political foundations which will forever change people's views on politics. The awakening has begun and I doubt trump would let himself be impeached without going down with a fight. Think about what a fight with him would look like.

[AutumnW]

Posted by white wizard (here)
I think your under estimating trumps supporters considering they got an outsider elected against all odds. He represents change and is shaking political foundations which will forever change people's views on politics. The awakening has begun and I doubt trump would let himself be impeached without going down with a fight. Think about what a fight with him would look like.

White Wizard,

Let me address you, point by point and as simply as I can.

Trump's win wasn't 'against all odds.' He had VERY strong support behind the scenes from strong factions within the military. This includes military intelligence, of course.

Much as I am not an Obama fan, I will give his administration this. Obama was reigning in the hard right in Israel, on many fronts, including forming a peace pact with Iran. He did this with Russia's help. Remember?

Who was upset by this? American military obviously -- or at least strong factions within the military....and the radical right in Israel. Iran is one country they CAN'T pummel into submission.

911 was a military coup for insiders, including the hard right in Israel. Saudi Arabia too, because of oil interests and a number of other factors.

So things were looking pretty good for American 'allies', (See parasite) until Obama came along and reconfigured the geopolitical map, developing alliances with Iran and weakening those with Israel and Saudi Arabia. And..I have no doubt this was part of a greater chess game that may have evolved to force Russia and Saudi Arabia to compete for oil market share, in an attempt to impoverish Russia.

So Trump is elected. The faction of the deep state (military and FBI) that were likely responsible or turned a blind eye to 911 are well pleased. The coup's original agenda, is now back in place. Israel is going to be more center stage. Iran is going to suffer and lots of talk about nuclear.

Meanwhile, Mossad and military intelligence have managed to deflect all attention away from these salient foreign policy issues and have everybody focussed on perverts in power -- with the most narrow angle lens aimed at Democrats in power -- forgetting that there were and ARE just as many perverts on the other side of the aisle.

Standard propaganda. Cannibals in power, ritualistic ceremonies. Sure, why not. Can't be proved or disproved. It sure sucks the wind out of examination of all the potential for REAL provable death and destruction of innocents abroad that a military dictatorship, under Pence, will be responsible for.

Seriously, White Wizard. The head of the military is called Mad Dog and he has a jones for taking out Iran. Explain please.

The original tea party, under Ron Paul was all about curtailing war. It reversed its position after it was hijacked by pro military Republicans. White Wizard, explain please. They are a potent force and they are not AT ALL like the original tea party. Explain please.

911 was a military coup, in broad daylight. Its goals have yet to be fully implemented.

[white wizard]

So your saying trump was chosen and now it's business as usual?

[AutumnW]

I don't know for sure. My working hypotheses is that Trump chose himself, thinks he is pretty much in charge and is easily manipulated through buddy-ism and flattery.

I don't think it's quite business as usual though. It certainly isn't business as usual, as defined by the Clinton/Obama era.

There is a strong drive to establish Russia as an ally, in the interests of big oil (Tillerson) which is a GOOD thing, in so many ways, particularly for Russia and all of its allies...except Iran. I DO applaud Trump there, regardless of what the intent is.

I could go own and on so will keep this short.

The deep state promotes, serves the elite and the corporatocracy through the intelligence and policing arms. Military intelligence, comprising navy, army,airforce and marines is HUGE. The bad guys versus bad guys dynamic playing out now is turf battles between civilian intelligence, (CIA) and military intelligence.

A big part of the coup has been getting the FBI, the other civilian policing arm, onside with the military, behind Trump. The CIA, through these efforts, has been outgunned, giving Trump's govt and their radical right Israeli buddies, disproportionate power.

So Trump has called the actions of the FBI, a crucial part of this power dynamic, on his side, into question. This tells me a couple of things. He doesn't know the nature of the surveillance apparatus, that wiretap a are no longer required. It also tells me that he doesn't understand, that if wiretaps were still used to spy, it would have been the FBI, under Obama who carried out the wiretaps.

Which...makes him a bit a of a bonehead. It also illustrates he doesn't have a clue about all of the machinations going on covertly. He thinks he won the election, fair and square and didn't get any help...even if that help was just the agencies staying out of his way. And that tells me, he wasn't chosen but Pence sure was, if or when he screwed up.

The way forward is international militaristic fascism, with terrible implications for the domestic populace, as it will be arranged around a Christian theocracy -- because these are the easiest kinds of systems to implement. Religious command economies planned around military expenditure and domestic imprisonment will be an easy system to put into play as the U.S is half way there already

Russia may be part of the new power cartel, linked with the U.S. against China. Who knows. I know it doesn't look good and I know a LOT of people are being duped because they believe the 'deep state' is this monolithic entity, undivided. It is MUCH more complicated and Byzantine than that.

[white wizard]

Well for the most part I agree with most of what you said except for the creation of a Christian fascist state. The country is too divided for them to seize power n create one . There is definitely room for a nationalist constitutional Republic type movement, but that would require a massive coup as you said to get the liberal socialists out of the way. Average people on both sides would resist the creation of a fascist state if they became aware one was being created. If pizza gate came out n trump tied it to the Democratic party only that could shift public opinion enough for his party to seize massive power but that's a can of worms.