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    Default Blockchain Will Save Free Speech

    The push for political correctness is gathering steam. Governments are putting the squeeze on freedom of speech online. Blockchain technology might be a way of maintaining freedom of expression on the internet.


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    Interesting concept. I have been thinking that it might be necessary to get alternatives to the old social media platforms now that internet censorship has been shifting to a bigger gear. I`m hoping we get some excellent alternatives and there will be a great exodus of internet age. But again maybe I`m too optimistic. However the cat is off the bag and more people than ever in known history realize the massive corruption. What ever tptb do, I believe the life will find a way.

    I`m no expert but I love the idea of decentralised social media platform that cannot be taken over and shutdown. Hopefully people start moving into these new alternatives quickly.

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    So over my head. What I don't understand at all is why people who are fed up with a currency backed by nothing (the US dollar) are interested in investing a digital currency. It's like people who paid big money to build mansions for themselves in the second life platform. Just can't seem to grok it. Paying for a whole bunch of intangible ideas.

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    Free speech needs more than censorship resistant platforms - these already exist (bit torrent for example). It needs workable solutions to being anonymous so "the man" cant come and find you and then ruin or end your life for speaking out against him.
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    Free speech needs more than censorship resistant platforms - these already exist (bit torrent for example). It needs workable solutions to being anonymous so "the man" cant come and find you and then ruin or end your life for speaking out against him.
    An education system churning out minds that are self locked isn't easily fixed either.
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    Free speech needs more than censorship resistant platforms - these already exist (bit torrent for example). It needs workable solutions to being anonymous so "the man" cant come and find you and then ruin or end your life for speaking out against him.
    Having a decentralised uncensored non-corporate owned platform to be able to make an anonymous comment on might be a good start. i think that the blockchain tech has a lot of upside for getting away from the big centralised government compliant corporate monopoly that is spreading online.

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    Here's a couple of decentralised media platforms that are available now.

    Freenet and Diaspora


    Freenet

    https://freenetproject.org

    Browse websites, post on forums, and publish files within Freenet with strong privacy protections.

    What is Freenet ?

    Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication and publishing.




    Diaspora

    https://diasporafoundation.org

    diaspora is based on three key philosophies:

    Decentralization

    Instead of everyone’s data being held on huge central servers owned by a large organization, diaspora* exists on independently run servers (“pods”) all over the world. You choose which pod to register with, and you can then connect seamlessly with the diaspora* community worldwide.

    Freedom

    You can be whoever you want to be in diaspora*. Unlike some networks, you don’t have to use your real identity. You can interact with people in whatever way you choose. The only limit is your imagination. diaspora* is also Free Software, giving you liberty over how you use it.


    Privacy

    In diaspora* you own your data. You don’t sign over rights to a corporation or other interest who could use it. In addition, you choose who sees what you share, using Aspects. With diaspora*, your friends, your habits, and your content is your business ... not ours!
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    So over my head. What I don't understand at all is why people who are fed up with a currency backed by nothing (the US dollar) are interested in investing a digital currency. It's like people who paid big money to build mansions for themselves in the second life platform. Just can't seem to grok it. Paying for a whole bunch of intangible ideas.
    they might be backed by "nothing", though the difference between any fiat currency & cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin is that the central banks print their currency out of sheer will (qe 1, 2, 3). cash is mostly unnacounted for as well as massive amounts of digital numbers in banker's databases - its inside info only known by few at the very top. with crypto everything is accounted for & transparent - forgery & printing out of thin air is technically impossible. that in itself is "something" that gives value to an end user. hope that helps.

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    Anything blockchained is controlled by the party responsible for the blockchain technology...that is NOT freedom, though it will certainly be presented to the masses as such.

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    Anything blockchained is controlled by the party responsible for the blockchain technology...that is NOT freedom, though it will certainly be presented to the masses as such.
    It's early days. I don't think that most of the people who are developing blockchain tech are doing it to gain some type of control over the planet. The corporations and banks on the other hand.....
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    Ummm....you may want to review this post:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...57#post1145357

    While most people involved with blockchain tech are just doing it for a living and little more, blockchain technology allows for a further centralization of control. Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely. By placing control into fewer and fewer hands, the end result is having the human collective handed over to a small group of psychopaths.

    No thanks...

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    Quote Posted by iAMWE (here)
    Ummm....you may want to review this post:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...57#post1145357

    While most people involved with blockchain tech are just doing it for a living and little more, blockchain technology allows for a further centralization of control. Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely. By placing control into fewer and fewer hands, the end result is having the human collective handed over to a small group of psychopaths.

    No thanks...
    There's probably going to be both centralised and decentralised blockchain tech depending on what it will be used for. There is a lot of potential for the individual to break free somewhat from the big corporations/psychopaths with this evolving tech.

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    There are some "common beliefs" being presented above in this thread that, as best as I can figure, are false memes.

    What's really going on with money, with the web, and with blockchains is not what we have been led to believe.

    Money is one of the most important means of control of humanity. It is not created out of nothing (creatio ex nihilo). Rather it is lent into existence, creating liens on the loan collateral and a demand for that currency in the future to fund repayments. A variety of means are used to keep the money "valuable", meaning to keep it flowing, from where it enters the economy as money lent, to where it leaves the economy as payment for essentials. These essentials include the repayments (of both principle plus interest, greater than the amount previously lent), as well as taxes and energy. The "petro-dollar" serves as a global tax-like system imposed by the American hegemony. Most of the funds collected by OPEC (Saudi Arabia and others) over the last several decades were "invested" in US Treasury debt, which those OPEC nations will never see again. What that really means is that most of those many trillions of US Dollars returned to the New York banks where they were, for all practical purposes, spent by the Exchange Stabilization Fund on manipulating the world's stock, bond, and money (forex) markets.

    I spelled this out in more detail in an important post a couple of weeks ago: Misunderstanding the petro-dollar, inflation, and fiat money creation

    Crypto currencies, such as Bitcoin, are but a pimple on an elephant's butt. Crypto currencies are based on block chain technology, which is inherently far too limited in scale to be able to directly enable billions of end using humans to directly transact on one or a few global block chains, as I spelled out in this post a few weeks ago: Trump 'orders all protest of his policies to be criminalized and press silenced', says Veterans Today -- Post #27. Also, blockchain technology is too "esoteric" to be directly understood, in its internals, by the ordinary user. All users of crypto currencies on smart phones, and almost all users on PC's, rely on the computers and services of various providers. As we've already seen, this also means that crypto currency users are at risk of theft by those providers, the most notorious example of which being Mt Gox.

    The means of generating Bitcoin and other such currently popular crypto currencies is also telling. Whoever controls the greatest proportion of compute power and low cost electricity to power the computations thereby potentially controls that cryptocurrency. This would apparently be China at present.

    Blockchain technology is becoming a suitable way for a smaller number (hundreds or thousands) of competent institutions or technically savvy and well equipped individuals to cooperate on maintaining a ledger. It is not and in my estimation never will become a suitable way for billions of individuals to maintain shared control over a ledger. I expect that SWIFT and CIPS will be replaced by, or re-engineered to become, a blockchain based system. This will be one part of engineering a global monetary system, to replace the current US Dollar based system. Multiple major national governments and financial institutions will be "bonded" together in a global political and monetary system that is subject to increased central surveillance and control, down to the level of each individual.

    On the initial topic of this thread, anonymity is not the essence of free speech, nor does blockchain technology provide essential anonymity. Free speech occurs, in my view, when various groups, families, communities, etc can develop trusted relationships, over time, within which they can speak openly, free from much surveillance or control by outsiders. Fancy technology such as blockchains, or "secure web browsing" using https security certificates are like locks for your front door that only you, and Big Brother (some central intelligence agency) have keys for, and which only Big Brother can change. This keeps out common burglars and "terrorists", and yourself, if Big Brother is so inclined, or even just accidentally shuts you off.

    An immense fear based campaign, over decades, is moving us toward this "Matrix" like "freedom" of "magical" technology enveloping human civilization. Most old farts are too technically illiterate to notice, and the few who do notice (such as myself) will die off soon enough. Few young will ever have substantial experience with the freedom of genuine anonymity and of trusted genuinely private relations of small groups and communities, nor will they have personally built up, from the solder, wires, and transistors up, including the software at all levels, the technology on which they depend and which they trust.

    Such campaigns as "If you see something, say something" (encouraging snitching on your friends to the "authorities"), political correctness, ostracizing or imprisoning those who speak "inconvenient truths" (e.g. - researching the holocaust or 9/11) further destroy the ability of small, independent groups to engage in genuinely free (from centrally controlled oppression) speech. The constant flood of propaganda, misinformation and false memes in our schools and news media, along with the suppression of honest evidence and investigation, further contributes to the destruction of free and well informed speech.

    The dumbing down of the population, using a variety of toxins in our food, water, air, and medicines contribute as well, reducing the ability of the population at large to engage in well informed, well articulated, insightful, discussions.

    Sorry for this long post ... but the breadth, depth, and variety of the various, interlocking, means to suppress human freedom are not easy to describe more succinctly.

    Summation: Blockchain technology will not save free speech (at least not any free speech worth the speaking.)
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    As we've already seen, this also means that crypto currency users are at risk of theft by those providers, the most notorious example of which being Mt Gox.
    Crypto currency users are also at risk of changing regulations and limitations imposed on the transfer in and out of crypto currencies to any major currency (whether US Dollar, Chinese renminbi, or whatever). For just one of many examples of this, notice this article on Slashdot today: Bitcoin Exchange Sues Wells Fargo Over Massive Wire Transfer Suspension.

    Sooner or later, people will be persuaded that block chain technology and crypto currencies would be cool technology, if only they were "properly regulated". That will mark "game over" for any potential that block chain technology might have had for actually "saving human freedom", as that block chain technology becomes just one more piece of the inter-locking global puzzle of control and surveillance mechanisms.
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    The argument that drugs use monies that cannot be tracked will be the reason for consolidating all transactions under the banner of one global currency:


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    As we've already seen, this also means that crypto currency users are at risk of theft by those providers, the most notorious example of which being Mt Gox.
    Crypto currency users are also at risk of changing regulations and limitations imposed on the transfer in and out of crypto currencies to any major currency (whether US Dollar, Chinese renminbi, or whatever). For just one of many examples of this, notice this article on Slashdot today: Bitcoin Exchange Sues Wells Fargo Over Massive Wire Transfer Suspension.

    Sooner or later, people will be persuaded that block chain technology and crypto currencies would be cool technology, if only they were "properly regulated". That will mark "game over" for any potential that block chain technology might have had for actually "saving human freedom", as that block chain technology becomes just one more piece of the inter-locking global puzzle of control and surveillance mechanisms.

    Summation: Blockchain technology will not save free speech (at least not any free speech worth the speaking.)
    Well...'maybe' Paul. It might turn out something like that BUT it's still the first minute of the first quarter of the game and no one knows the final result just yet. The blockchain is still evolving and its best uses are probably still unknown at this point in time. What 'other' types of decentralised anonymous private technology might come from blockchain developments that could benefit the public in a positive way ? Too early to throw in the towel on the blockchain in my humble opinion.

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    The argument that drugs use monies that cannot be tracked will be the reason for consolidating all transactions under the banner of one global currency:

    Most purchases that people make right now can be tracked. Anything bought with a credit/debit/bank card or a personal loan or mortgage can be tracked etc. I'm not saying that this is a good thing but it's already common place. All government spending and tax revenues should be able to be tracked accurately imho.

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    Well...'maybe' Paul. It might turn out something like that BUT it's still the first minute of the first quarter of the game and no one knows the final result just yet. The blockchain is still evolving and its best uses are probably still unknown at this point in time. What 'other' types of decentralised anonymous private technology might come from blockchain developments that could benefit the public in a positive way ? Too early to throw in the towel on the blockchain in my humble opinion.
    So far as technology goes, I'm not throwing in the towel on block technology. It's a useful and interesting way to implement what amounts to a distributed database with no single point of control.

    I've been involved in implementing and understanding distributed computer and data systems for almost 40 years. Such distributed systems have their uses, and their limitations. No single blockchain will ever come remotely close to providing a single, world-wide, real-time, ledger for all human financial activity. That won't happen. Not even close.

    But what I am more concerned with at the moment are the mischaracterizations of both "money" and "crypto-currency":
    • Money (debt-money, as now dominates the world's financial systems) is lent into existence, and taxed or levied out of existence. It is not "printed" (or key-stroked) into existence, without limit, by the banks.
    • Blockchain technology is not the magic key to preserve free speech, nor is it the basis for any possible potential world monetary system that has escaped from the control of our overlords.
    Those two concerns of mine are not uncertain forecasts of a future that cannot be known to me yet. They are objections to the current false propaganda that is used to obfuscate the way that money really works (to enslave us.)
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    Well...'maybe' Paul. It might turn out something like that BUT it's still the first minute of the first quarter of the game and no one knows the final result just yet. The blockchain is still evolving and its best uses are probably still unknown at this point in time. What 'other' types of decentralised anonymous private technology might come from blockchain developments that could benefit the public in a positive way ? Too early to throw in the towel on the blockchain in my humble opinion.
    So far as technology goes, I'm not throwing in the towel on block technology. It's a useful and interesting way to implement what amounts to a distributed database with no single point of control.

    I've been involved in implementing and understanding distributed computer and data systems for almost 40 years. Such distributed systems have their uses, and their limitations. No single blockchain will ever come remotely close to providing a single, world-wide, real-time, ledger for all human financial activity. That won't happen. Not even close.

    But what I am more concerned with at the moment are the mischaracterizations of both "money" and "crypto-currency":
    • Money (debt-money, as now dominates the world's financial systems) is lent into existence, and taxed or levied out of existence. It is not "printed" (or key-stroked) into existence, without limit, by the banks.
    • Blockchain technology is not the magic key to preserve free speech, nor is it the basis for any possible potential world monetary system that has escaped from the control of our overlords.
    Those two concerns of mine are not uncertain forecasts of a future that cannot be known to me yet. They are objections to the current false propaganda that is used to obfuscate the way that money really works (to enslave us.)
    The only prediction that i will make is that 'change' is coming

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    Quote Posted by iAMWE (here)
    The argument that drugs use monies that cannot be tracked will be the reason for consolidating all transactions under the banner of one global currency:
    The "War on Drugs" will no doubt be one of the excuses used to justify a world monetary system.

    A major collapse of the current US Reserve Petro-Dollar monetary system, with major damage to the world's financial and economic systems, will likely be, in my estimation, a more immediate and compelling excuse.

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    Most purchases that people make right now can be tracked. Anything bought with a credit/debit/bank card or a personal loan or mortgage can be tracked etc. I'm not saying that this is a good thing but it's already common place.
    Surveillance of monetary activity down to the individual level is wide spread now, but not in a globally unified system. The "new world order" will move the primary locus of financial and monetary control out of New York, and into a multi-layered system, with the finances, laws, economies, and militaries of quasi-independent nations and large corporations all being globally controlled somewhat behind the scenes. The global monitoring and control of activity, down to the individual level, will be by systems extended in a more uniform global fashion, with nationalist flavorings.

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    All government spending and tax revenues should be able to be tracked accurately imho.
    "Should" ?? ... Globally ?? -- Are you saying you want a global system in place sufficient to track all government spending and taxing ? Any globally controlling agency with sufficient power to track all spending and taxing by all governments is a global agency sufficiently powerful to enslave humanity.
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