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    Default Was Jack Ruby A Manchurian Candidate?

    Was Jack Ruby in a hypnotic trance [under mind control] when he went into Dallas police headquarters on November 24, 1963?

    There are numerous suggestions that Jack Ruby's mind had in some way been manipulated:
    • In his book "Dallas Justice," first attorney Melvin Belli stated: "Never once did he [Ruby] voluntarily mention Lee Oswald by name. Never as far as I could see, was he willing to concede that there had been this living, breathing human being who had died at his hands. It was strange because he had the capacity to summon up sympathy for almost anything."
    • Even more revealing were the psychiatric diagnoses made of Ruby. Dr. Walter Bromberg stated that Ruby was "pre-set to be a fighter, to attack." He continued, "definitely there is a block to his thinking which is no part of his original [italics inserted] mental endowment."
    • And Dr. Roy Shafer elaborated by saying, "He [Ruby] appears not altogether in control of his body actions, as if they occur independently of his conscious will at times."
    • But it was Dr. Manfred Guttmacher, a leading criminal psychologist, who was caught in a quag. He testified that, yes, Ruby's brain had been "damaged," but couldn't figure out exactly how. He further testified that he felt that at the time of the shooting Ruby had suffered a "functional psychosis." "It would be functional, not organic."

      Dallas Assistant Attorney Bill Alexander then asked Dr. Guttmacher, "Well, by functional mental psychosis, do you mean a psychotic condition for which there is no known organic cause?"

      "Yes," responded Dr. Guttmacher. "Doctor, Alexander asked, aren't you shooting both barrels at us? On one hand, you say he's got brain damage, and then you say, no, he does not have brain damage."
    This suggests the possibility sophisticated mind control techniques were used on Ruby that neither the experts nor the police were aware of.

    Ruby says he can't remember anything from the moment he reached the ramp until the cops were trying to grab his gun:

    There was at least one reporter who believed Jack Ruby's mind had been tampered with. It was Dorothy Kilgallen. She was the only reported to have had a private interview with Ruby after the killing.

    Shortly after that interview she proclaimed she was going to "blow the JFK case sky high."

    Interestingly, in her December 3, 1964 syndicated column she wrote:
    MEMO TO PRESIDENT JOHNSON: Please check with the State Department, the leaders of our armed forces, or our scientists to discover what -- if anything -- we are doing to explore the ramifications of "cloud-busting," which in its refined stages, means thought control and could change the history of the world.
    Sadly, and ironically, she wrote in her September 3, 1965 column referring to the assassination: That story isn't going to die as long as there's a reporter alive -- and there are a lot of them alive.

    But she wasn't to be among them. Just over two months later she was found dead in her New York apartment. Initially her death was described as an apparent heart attack, but was later concluded to be from a massive overdose of barbiturates and alcohol intoxification.

    The medical examiner could not determine "whether it was an accident, a suicide, or murder." Her apartment was found in shambles; her Ruby notes were never found. (source)

    Mark Shaw: Who Killed Dorothy Kilgallen?
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    When Jack was being transported to another hospital he was taken via a commercial flight accompanied by his guards and a medical professional. He was strapped into a gurney, but I don't know how they kept it from moving while the plane was in flight. At the first moment he thought he wouldn't be heard he told the nearest passenger that he knew he was going to die because they 'gave him his (rapidly expanding) cancer'. It is most likely that the authorities gave him a cocktail of drugs that included one very strong dose of cancer.

    It is well worth anyone's time to read "Dr.Mary's Monkey" to get a detailed and factual account of deceit in the times surrounding the coup removing presidential authority, a multi-faceted, inter-agency, inter-corporate (to be exact) effort that has perpetuated itself in the world dominated by the war profiteering, and spiritual, mental, environmental and physically personal pollution that exists to this day.
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    Default Re: Was Jack Ruby A Manchurian Candidate?

    to add a few other perspectives to this topic:

    do read Judyth Vary Baker's "Me and Lee" about Baker's intimate relationship with Oswald and her fringe dealings with Jack Ruby as well as Dr. Joseph Farrell's "LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy" about how Ruby seemed to be under duress when he shot Oswald;

    be well all-

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    Other data to incorporate can be found here: The Vile Truth of the JFK Assassination
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    I wasn't familiar with Dorothy Kilgallen. Very interesting stuff indeed.



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    While investigating whether the OKC bombing was a "false flag" operation, I ran into this interesting site that mentions Ruby. I can't speak for the source or credibility of the information.
    http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/stud...iegh_alive.htm
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    Nuclear weapons and Israel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...ons_and_Israel

    Quote The United States was concerned over possible Israeli nuclear proliferation. US intelligence began to notice the Dimona reactor shortly after construction began, when American U-2 spy planes overflew the reactor,[104] leading to a diplomatic clash. In 1960, the outgoing Eisenhower administration asked the Israeli government for an explanation for the mysterious construction near Dimona. Israel's response was that the site was a future textile factory, but that no inspection would be allowed. When Ben-Gurion visited Washington in 1960, he held a series of meetings with State Department officials, and was bluntly told that for Israel to possess nuclear weapons would affect the balance of power in the region.[46] After John F. Kennedy took office as US President in 1961, he put continuous pressure on Israel to open the plant to American inspection. Reportedly, every high-level meeting and communication between the US and Israeli governments contained a demand for an inspection of Dimona. To increase pressure, Kennedy denied Ben-Gurion a meeting at the White House – when they met in May 1961, it was at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York. The meeting itself was dominated by this issue. Ben-Gurion was evasive on the issue for two years, in the face of persistent US demands for an inspection. Finally, in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, Kennedy threatened Israel with total isolation unless inspectors were allowed into Dimona. However, Ben-Gurion resigned as Prime Minister shortly afterward. His successor, Levi Eshkol, received a similar letter from Kennedy.[105]

    Israel eventually accepted an inspection, and Kennedy made two concessions – the US would sell Israel Hawk anti-aircraft missiles after having refused to sell Israel any major weapon systems for years. In addition, the US government agreed to the Israeli demand that the inspections would be carried out by an all-American team which would schedule its visits weeks in advance, rather than the IAEA.

    In 1964, the US government tried to prevent Argentina's sale of yellowcake to Israel, with no success.[106]

    Allegedly, because Israel knew the schedule of the inspectors' visits, it was able to disguise the true purpose of the reactor. The inspectors eventually reported that their inspections were useless, due to Israeli restrictions on what parts of the facility they could investigate. According to British writer and intelligence expert Gordon Thomas, former Mossad agent Rafi Eitan told him how the inspectors were fooled:[46]
    On a loosely related note... this is so freaking weird that this thread showed up today. I hope to explain more one day.
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    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
    Nuclear weapons and Israel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...ons_and_Israel

    Quote The United States was concerned over possible Israeli nuclear proliferation. US intelligence began to notice the Dimona reactor shortly after construction began, when American U-2 spy planes overflew the reactor,[104] leading to a diplomatic clash. In 1960, the outgoing Eisenhower administration asked the Israeli government for an explanation for the mysterious construction near Dimona. Israel's response was that the site was a future textile factory, but that no inspection would be allowed. When Ben-Gurion visited Washington in 1960, he held a series of meetings with State Department officials, and was bluntly told that for Israel to possess nuclear weapons would affect the balance of power in the region.[46] After John F. Kennedy took office as US President in 1961, he put continuous pressure on Israel to open the plant to American inspection. Reportedly, every high-level meeting and communication between the US and Israeli governments contained a demand for an inspection of Dimona. To increase pressure, Kennedy denied Ben-Gurion a meeting at the White House – when they met in May 1961, it was at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York. The meeting itself was dominated by this issue. Ben-Gurion was evasive on the issue for two years, in the face of persistent US demands for an inspection. Finally, in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, Kennedy threatened Israel with total isolation unless inspectors were allowed into Dimona. However, Ben-Gurion resigned as Prime Minister shortly afterward. His successor, Levi Eshkol, received a similar letter from Kennedy.[105]

    Israel eventually accepted an inspection, and Kennedy made two concessions – the US would sell Israel Hawk anti-aircraft missiles after having refused to sell Israel any major weapon systems for years. In addition, the US government agreed to the Israeli demand that the inspections would be carried out by an all-American team which would schedule its visits weeks in advance, rather than the IAEA.

    In 1964, the US government tried to prevent Argentina's sale of yellowcake to Israel, with no success.[106]

    Allegedly, because Israel knew the schedule of the inspectors' visits, it was able to disguise the true purpose of the reactor. The inspectors eventually reported that their inspections were useless, due to Israeli restrictions on what parts of the facility they could investigate. According to British writer and intelligence expert Gordon Thomas, former Mossad agent Rafi Eitan told him how the inspectors were fooled:[46]
    On a loosely related note... this is so freaking weird that this thread showed up today. I hope to explain more one day.
    We all know his real name was Rubenstein and he was born to Jewish parents (and he was associated with the Mafia) don't we? Another layer of subterfuge from the Dimona perspective?

    Quote Jack Ruby was born Jacob Leon Rubenstein on March 25, 1911 in Chicago as the son of Joseph Rubenstein (1871–1958) and Fannie Turek Rutkowski (or Rokowsky), both Polish-born, Orthodox Jews: from Wiki'
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    Quote Posted by Akasha (here)
    We all know his real name was Rubenstein and he was born to Jewish parents [...]
    In this letter allegedly written by Ruby:
    "you must believe me that I know what is taking place, so please with all my heart, you must believe me, because I am counting on you to save this country a lot of blood-shed. As soon as you get out you must read Texan looks at Lyndon, and it may open your eyes to a lot of things. This man is a J Nazi in the worst order."
    It looks as if he was about to write: "This man is a Jew/Jewish" but something made him change his mind, and he used the word 'Nazi' instead, underscored twice. strange...

    Source: http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/ruby.htm

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    If there is good evidence that Ruby was likely coerced - mind controlled, into killing Oswald, it is therefore just as likely Oswald was also coerced - mind controlled, by the very same agency whatever that was, into killing JFK. If so, it could still have been be a lone gunman all along. Whatever the case, it is another stone, one of a confusing myriad, in the deep, dark well of the JFK enigma.
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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    If so, it could still have been be a lone gunman all along.
    A conspiracy to mind control someone to shoot another person is technically not a "lone gunman." That would just be the cover story.

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    Quote Posted by Omnisense (here)
    A conspiracy to mind control someone to shoot another person is technically not a "lone gunman." That would just be the cover story.
    Yes absolutely, I should perhaps rephrase it as 'lone trigger man', or 'lone kill-shot man'. That said I don't think he was actually alone. I expect there were other potential assassins covering the Dealey Plaza kill zone that day, should Oswald miss.
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