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    I have a difficult time to understand Vaknin. He has a heavy accent......

    By now I am glad I can tell better, which behavements are narcisstic at people I dont know yet. I never would have recognized it before before I did inform myself good about it.

    I am here for about 1 month now and I have a neighbour here...she shows narcisstic signes also.

    Interrupts you in the middle of the sentences, if you start to say something she doesnt agree with...or turns things you say around and comes up with remarks like.......oh, only what you say is right??

    Changes the subject in a second if you dont agree with her...stuff like this.

    You can hardly say anything when she is around anyways. She is always talking like a book. And it is always...Me, me, me..I did this, I did that...aso.... Searching constantly for attention....... Just the same like my narcisstic husband......

    Me recognizing this now...I can avoid to have to much contact to this lady. It is good I can tell...and I can protect myself better from those kind people.....
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    Default Re: 20 Basic Tactics Used By Narcissists, Sociopaths And Psychopaths To manipulate And Silence A Prey

    Flash posted this from an article, in post #154

    Quote Narcissistic sociopaths defy all forms of treatment and cannot be reformed. They have no concrete personality beyond these traits, therefore, if you remove the traits, they are left with nothing else. They are almost anti-human; while most people are born with unique personality combinations, narcissistic sociopaths have none, so they mimic the personalities of those around them, mirroring behaviors and collecting or stealing quirks.
    This "cannot be reformed" really makes me wonder. For one thing, there's a HUGE debate over if these people are "born this way" or not, because if they are, what's the point of saying "reformed" when they were already like that. HMM.

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    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    Flash posted this from an article, in post #154

    Quote Narcissistic sociopaths defy all forms of treatment and cannot be reformed. They have no concrete personality beyond these traits, therefore, if you remove the traits, they are left with nothing else. They are almost anti-human; while most people are born with unique personality combinations, narcissistic sociopaths have none, so they mimic the personalities of those around them, mirroring behaviors and collecting or stealing quirks.
    This "cannot be reformed" really makes me wonder. For one thing, there's a HUGE debate over if these people are "born this way" or not, because if they are, what's the point of saying "reformed" when they were already like that. HMM.
    Petra, I am French speaking. Sometimes I may not use the exact right word that I would like to carry the meaning I have. Please, do not hook on wording when reading my posts, but on the general thinking.

    It takes a lot from me to write specifically what I want. Often i do not find the right word corresponding to my French wording or thinking and I will find another way to express my thinking in English that is much less precise. Try the same in French, you will see how hard it is.

    Reformed, may have meant they cannot be changed.

    From whisper: I have a difficult time to understand Vaknin. He has a heavy accent.....

    yeah, but you see, Ii understand Vaknin, I am now used to hear all kinds of accents in English, It is a question of habit. Yet, I understand that sometimes he is not as precise as he would be in Hebrew I imagine. I would not be either. And lots of time people have to pay more attention when I speak because of my accent as well.
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    Default Re: 20 Basic Tactics Used By Narcissists, Sociopaths And Psychopaths To manipulate And Silence A Prey

    I believe the general consensus is that a sociopath is made and a psychopath is born that way. No cure and therapy makes them better manipulators.

    The following video explains the difference between NPD, sociopathy and psychopathy.

    “To develop a complete mind: Study the art of science; study the science of art. Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else” – Leonardo Da Vinci

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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    In the UK at least, some small positive steps in the right direction appear to be being made.

    I never knew this until recently, but in 2015 a new UK law banning controlling behaviour came into effect with the aim of helping to protect those in unhealthy relationships:

    https://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/14_plus...violence-law-/

    https://www.disrespectnobody.co.uk/
    Does anyone actually believe that a government can legislate controlling behavior? What a huge overstep by the government. Do you really want a government deciding how you should behave in your private life if you are not committing a crime? Wouldn't their resources be better spent in education and awareness of personality disorders and how to effectively deal with them and also provide assistance in getting out of unhealthy relationships. Wouldn't it be better to empower those that are being controlled with understanding of why they get into these relationships?
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    Default Re: 20 Basic Tactics Used By Narcissists, Sociopaths And Psychopaths To manipulate And Silence A Prey

    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    Flash posted this from an article, in post #154

    Quote Narcissistic sociopaths defy all forms of treatment and cannot be reformed. They have no concrete personality beyond these traits, therefore, if you remove the traits, they are left with nothing else. They are almost anti-human; while most people are born with unique personality combinations, narcissistic sociopaths have none, so they mimic the personalities of those around them, mirroring behaviors and collecting or stealing quirks.
    This "cannot be reformed" really makes me wonder. For one thing, there's a HUGE debate over if these people are "born this way" or not, because if they are, what's the point of saying "reformed" when they were already like that. HMM.
    Petra, I am French speaking. Sometimes I may not use the exact right word that I would like to carry the meaning I have. Please, do not hook on wording when reading my posts, but on the general thinking.

    It takes a lot from me to write specifically what I want. Often i do not find the right word corresponding to my French wording or thinking and I will find another way to express my thinking in English that is much less precise. Try the same in French, you will see how hard it is.
    I only used you for a reference Flash, since you posted the article. I DO get your meaning though, and I realize I'm reading into the wording - that was my point!

    I agree with the quote, I don't think they can be reformed either.

    Is there even such thing as a "correct way to think"? It's hard to answer with Yes without sounding fascist (ha ha), but I think there is - and delighting in other people's suffering just is not a part of it.

    Maybe it's more like a disease than I realize - but if it is, I'd guess it'd have to be a "disease of the feelings".

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    The psychopath...can not be healed, I believe......They found out in a study..there is a part of their brain where something is shrinked or damaged.... I had a psychophat in my family...which I found out about 3 years ago...she passed away last year.... But at least for the last 3 years I knew what I am dealing with....and to finally know what is the case...did explain a lot to me......which I could not understand before.

    The Narcissist...is a different thing and I believe some of them can change..... Dont forget about those who start to become narcisstic themselves, by being around a Narcissist for to long......

    which maybe did grow up with a narcisstic parent for example....this was a learning or protecting process..which went the wrong way.....

    I believe they could change....but first of all ...they need to realize the facts and they need to really want to change and to get rid of their narcisstic ways.....

    Well, I hope it is possible for some of them to find the right way. They are often very amazing people......

    I dont know if I am right or wrong, thinking this way......

    In fact...I am pretty confused at the time.....
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    I was wondering...could it be some medications build up with time a even more narcisstic behavement? I did recognize..by now...I can not even have a normal conversation anymore with my partner on the phone. This use to be diffrent before. We are only talking on the phone for 2 month by now (yes I know...everybody says best is no contact at all)........

    Or does it have to do with me recognizing more, knowing the signes? I just was wondering about this, if it could be certain medications can cause narcisstics attitudes? What do you think?

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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    In the UK at least, some small positive steps in the right direction appear to be being made.

    I never knew this until recently, but in 2015 a new UK law banning controlling behaviour came into effect with the aim of helping to protect those in unhealthy relationships:

    https://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/14_plus...violence-law-/

    https://www.disrespectnobody.co.uk/
    Does anyone actually believe that a government can legislate controlling behavior? What a huge overstep by the government. Do you really want a government deciding how you should behave in your private life if you are not committing a crime? Wouldn't their resources be better spent in education and awareness of personality disorders and how to effectively deal with them and also provide assistance in getting out of unhealthy relationships. Wouldn't it be better to empower those that are being controlled with understanding of why they get into these relationships?
    It depends on the type of control. I helped a young woman and her 2 daughters escape from an abusive pig who made it impossible for her to get a job in the small town where she resided. He slandered her to the point nobody would hire her.

    He threatened he'd tell police she was beating her children if she tried to leave. He phoned her every five minutes if she left the house. He began a reign of terror where he would wake her up in the middle of the night and berate her for hours on end. It was usually because a man smiled at her (in a friendly not leering fashion) during the day and she smiled back.

    She was chronically sleep deprived. It was terrible what he did to her. Total trauma. I pushed her to call the cops before she even began packing to leave, in the event he did go berserk, or more berserk.

    She called the cops and they stayed with her while she packed. They took her seriously, believed that he had been threatening her and booted him right out of town. Perfect. Turns out he had a police record of doing exact same thing to many other women.

    Mental torture is real and as bad as physical torture. Harder to prove, for sure. I hear you on that one. But should it be prosecuted? In some cases....yes
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    I was wondering...could it be some medications build up with time a even more narcisstic behavement? I did recognize..by now...I can not even have a normal conversation anymore with my partner on the phone. This use to be diffrent before. We are only talking on the phone for 2 month by now (yes I know...everybody says best is no contact at all)........

    Or does it have to do with me recognizing more, knowing the signes? I just was wondering about this, if it could be certain medications can cause narcisstics attitudes? What do you think?
    There is a theory that one of the reasons for the near financial total meltdown of the US in 2008, was due partly to the mass consumption of prozac in the financial industry. I figure those at the apex of that pyramid were psychopaths, their immediate underlings, aggressive narcissists, those beneath them likely depressed about what was going on....and on drugs. Possibly too, those who were in the regulatory bodies tasked with oversight were not only underfunded but taking SSRIs too (prozac etc...)

    SSRI's can impede empathy in some people and make them a little more fearless. So yes, there is a subset of humanity that very may well have some form of acquired narcissism from their prescribed medication.

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