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    I have a difficult time to understand Vaknin. He has a heavy accent......

    By now I am glad I can tell better, which behavements are narcisstic at people I dont know yet. I never would have recognized it before before I did inform myself good about it.

    Me recognizing this now...I can avoid to have to much contact to narcisstic people. It is good I can tell...and I can protect myself better from those kind people.....
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    Default Re: 20 Basic Tactics Used By Narcissists, Sociopaths And Psychopaths To manipulate And Silence A Prey

    Flash posted this from an article, in post #154

    Quote Narcissistic sociopaths defy all forms of treatment and cannot be reformed. They have no concrete personality beyond these traits, therefore, if you remove the traits, they are left with nothing else. They are almost anti-human; while most people are born with unique personality combinations, narcissistic sociopaths have none, so they mimic the personalities of those around them, mirroring behaviors and collecting or stealing quirks.
    This "cannot be reformed" really makes me wonder. For one thing, there's a HUGE debate over if these people are "born this way" or not, because if they are, what's the point of saying "reformed" when they were already like that. HMM.

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    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    Flash posted this from an article, in post #154

    Quote Narcissistic sociopaths defy all forms of treatment and cannot be reformed. They have no concrete personality beyond these traits, therefore, if you remove the traits, they are left with nothing else. They are almost anti-human; while most people are born with unique personality combinations, narcissistic sociopaths have none, so they mimic the personalities of those around them, mirroring behaviors and collecting or stealing quirks.
    This "cannot be reformed" really makes me wonder. For one thing, there's a HUGE debate over if these people are "born this way" or not, because if they are, what's the point of saying "reformed" when they were already like that. HMM.
    Petra, I am French speaking. Sometimes I may not use the exact right word that I would like to carry the meaning I have. Please, do not hook on wording when reading my posts, but on the general thinking.

    It takes a lot from me to write specifically what I want. Often i do not find the right word corresponding to my French wording or thinking and I will find another way to express my thinking in English that is much less precise. Try the same in French, you will see how hard it is.

    Reformed, may have meant they cannot be changed.

    From whisper: I have a difficult time to understand Vaknin. He has a heavy accent.....

    yeah, but you see, Ii understand Vaknin, I am now used to hear all kinds of accents in English, It is a question of habit. Yet, I understand that sometimes he is not as precise as he would be in Hebrew I imagine. I would not be either. And lots of time people have to pay more attention when I speak because of my accent as well.
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    I believe the general consensus is that a sociopath is made and a psychopath is born that way. No cure and therapy makes them better manipulators.

    The following video explains the difference between NPD, sociopathy and psychopathy.

    “To develop a complete mind: Study the art of science; study the science of art. Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else” – Leonardo Da Vinci

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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    In the UK at least, some small positive steps in the right direction appear to be being made.

    I never knew this until recently, but in 2015 a new UK law banning controlling behaviour came into effect with the aim of helping to protect those in unhealthy relationships:

    https://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/14_plus...violence-law-/

    https://www.disrespectnobody.co.uk/
    Does anyone actually believe that a government can legislate controlling behavior? What a huge overstep by the government. Do you really want a government deciding how you should behave in your private life if you are not committing a crime? Wouldn't their resources be better spent in education and awareness of personality disorders and how to effectively deal with them and also provide assistance in getting out of unhealthy relationships. Wouldn't it be better to empower those that are being controlled with understanding of why they get into these relationships?
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    Flash posted this from an article, in post #154

    Quote Narcissistic sociopaths defy all forms of treatment and cannot be reformed. They have no concrete personality beyond these traits, therefore, if you remove the traits, they are left with nothing else. They are almost anti-human; while most people are born with unique personality combinations, narcissistic sociopaths have none, so they mimic the personalities of those around them, mirroring behaviors and collecting or stealing quirks.
    This "cannot be reformed" really makes me wonder. For one thing, there's a HUGE debate over if these people are "born this way" or not, because if they are, what's the point of saying "reformed" when they were already like that. HMM.
    Petra, I am French speaking. Sometimes I may not use the exact right word that I would like to carry the meaning I have. Please, do not hook on wording when reading my posts, but on the general thinking.

    It takes a lot from me to write specifically what I want. Often i do not find the right word corresponding to my French wording or thinking and I will find another way to express my thinking in English that is much less precise. Try the same in French, you will see how hard it is.
    I only used you for a reference Flash, since you posted the article. I DO get your meaning though, and I realize I'm reading into the wording - that was my point!

    I agree with the quote, I don't think they can be reformed either.

    Is there even such thing as a "correct way to think"? It's hard to answer with Yes without sounding fascist (ha ha), but I think there is - and delighting in other people's suffering just is not a part of it.

    Maybe it's more like a disease than I realize - but if it is, I'd guess it'd have to be a "disease of the feelings".

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    The psychopath...can not be healed, I believe......They found out in a study..there is a part of their brain where something is shrinked or damaged.... I had a psychophat in my family...which I found out about 3 years ago...she passed away last year.... But at least for the last 3 years I knew what I am dealing with....and to finally know what is the case...did explain a lot to me......which I could not understand before.

    The Narcissist...is a different thing and I believe some of them can change..... Dont forget about those who start to become narcisstic themselves, by being around a Narcissist for to long......

    which maybe did grow up with a narcisstic parent for example....this was a learning or protecting process..which went the wrong way.....

    I believe they could change....but first of all ...they need to realize the facts and they need to really want to change and to get rid of their narcisstic ways.....

    Well, I hope it is possible for some of them to find the right way. They are often very amazing people......

    I dont know if I am right or wrong, thinking this way......

    In fact...I am pretty confused at the time.....
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    I was wondering...could it be some medications build up with time a even more narcisstic behavement? I did recognize..by now...I can not even have a normal conversation anymore with my partner on the phone. This use to be diffrent before. We are only talking on the phone for 2 month by now (yes I know...everybody says best is no contact at all)........

    Or does it have to do with me recognizing more, knowing the signes? I just was wondering about this, if it could be certain medications can cause narcisstics attitudes? What do you think?

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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    In the UK at least, some small positive steps in the right direction appear to be being made.

    I never knew this until recently, but in 2015 a new UK law banning controlling behaviour came into effect with the aim of helping to protect those in unhealthy relationships:

    https://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/14_plus...violence-law-/

    https://www.disrespectnobody.co.uk/
    Does anyone actually believe that a government can legislate controlling behavior? What a huge overstep by the government. Do you really want a government deciding how you should behave in your private life if you are not committing a crime? Wouldn't their resources be better spent in education and awareness of personality disorders and how to effectively deal with them and also provide assistance in getting out of unhealthy relationships. Wouldn't it be better to empower those that are being controlled with understanding of why they get into these relationships?
    It depends on the type of control. I helped a young woman and her 2 daughters escape from an abusive pig who made it impossible for her to get a job in the small town where she resided. He slandered her to the point nobody would hire her.

    He threatened he'd tell police she was beating her children if she tried to leave. He phoned her every five minutes if she left the house. He began a reign of terror where he would wake her up in the middle of the night and berate her for hours on end. It was usually because a man smiled at her (in a friendly not leering fashion) during the day and she smiled back.

    She was chronically sleep deprived. It was terrible what he did to her. Total trauma. I pushed her to call the cops before she even began packing to leave, in the event he did go berserk, or more berserk.

    She called the cops and they stayed with her while she packed. They took her seriously, believed that he had been threatening her and booted him right out of town. Perfect. Turns out he had a police record of doing exact same thing to many other women.

    Mental torture is real and as bad as physical torture. Harder to prove, for sure. I hear you on that one. But should it be prosecuted? In some cases....yes
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    I was wondering...could it be some medications build up with time a even more narcisstic behavement? I did recognize..by now...I can not even have a normal conversation anymore with my partner on the phone. This use to be diffrent before. We are only talking on the phone for 2 month by now (yes I know...everybody says best is no contact at all)........

    Or does it have to do with me recognizing more, knowing the signes? I just was wondering about this, if it could be certain medications can cause narcisstics attitudes? What do you think?
    There is a theory that one of the reasons for the near financial total meltdown of the US in 2008, was due partly to the mass consumption of prozac in the financial industry. I figure those at the apex of that pyramid were psychopaths, their immediate underlings, aggressive narcissists, those beneath them likely depressed about what was going on....and on drugs. Possibly too, those who were in the regulatory bodies tasked with oversight were not only underfunded but taking SSRIs too (prozac etc...)

    SSRI's can impede empathy in some people and make them a little more fearless. So yes, there is a subset of humanity that very may well have some form of acquired narcissism from their prescribed medication.

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    looks like this thread did fall into sleep..... I find it important for others to know what a narcissist or a psychophat is...what damage is done by those and how to protect yourself from them.... Best is...stay away from them if possible.....

    update on me...got weak....what a waist of time...I had to leave again. Now I am sitting in a country I never been before and dont really know how to go on.
    My head is a mess...not to talk about my feelings...and I am afraid I might havé
    a PTSD.....

    It proably will take a while until I am back in balance again.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    SSRI's can impede empathy in some people and make them a little more fearless. So yes, there is a subset of humanity that very may well have some form of acquired narcissism from their prescribed medication.
    Many known studies have reported that Tylenol (acetaminophen) also can reduce empathy.

    Quote Together, these findings suggest that the physical painkiller acetaminophen reduces empathy for pain and provide a new perspective on the neurochemical bases of empathy. Because empathy regulates prosocial and antisocial behavior, these drug-induced reductions in empathy raise concerns about the broader social side effects of acetaminophen, which is taken by almost a quarter of adults in the United States each week.
    From painkiller to empathy killer: acetaminophen (paracetamol) reduces empathy for pain
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    What is the Gray Rock Method?
    The grey rock method is a technique that removes the fascination and entertainment from a narcissist's life. The grey rock method is a practice where an individual becomes emotionally non-responsive, boring, and virtually acts like a rock.

    Acting like a rock and being emotionally non-responsive will bore a narcissist and cause them to quickly lose attention. Instead of going without attention and admiration, a narcissist will be forced to find it elsewhere.

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    A narcissist is a person who shows a disproportionate interest in themselves. They have a strong desire to be admired by others, strive for attention, and have difficulty enduring criticism or setbacks. Narcissists tend to be grandiose, suspicious, and cynical. They are commonly conceited, scheming, and controlling of others. Being related to, working for, or being in a relationship with a narcissist is an extremely challenging predicament. Terminating contact, distancing, and getting out of a relationship with a narcissist is always ideal, but is not always a practical option. When contact with a narcissist cannot be terminated, the grey rock method can be a valid alternative to manage relations.

    A narcissist needs to surround themselves with individuals who fascinate them and who keep them entertained at all times. A narcissist needs to have complete control over others and will use manipulative tendencies to get what they want. They require those in their lives to shower them with attention, reverence, and admiration. The grey rock method is a technique that removes the fascination and entertainment from a narcissist’s life.

    The grey rock method is a practice where an individual becomes emotionally non-responsive, boring, and virtually acts like a rock. Emotional detachment serves to undermine a narcissist’s attempts to lure and manipulate, causing them to grow uninterested and bored. The grey rock method takes away what the narcissist needs and desires most–attention.

    In order to implement the grey rock method, a person needs to minimize conversations and verbal exchanges as much as they can. While interactions should always be avoided when possible, it is important to refrain from ignoring a narcissist. Instead, an individual should reply with minimal and short responses to limit further conversation. Conversations should center on monotonous or boring topics and a person should attempt to provide one word answers without elaboration or opinion. If a narcissist attempts to bait, a person can utilize nonverbal responses such as nodding and smiling to avoid further engagement.

    It is important that a person using the grey rock method never provide any details regarding their personal life to cut off the potential of a narcissist using any of the information to manipulate or lure. It is critical that an individual refrain from letting a narcissist know that they are doing well without them, as the narcissist will become furious and see this as a challenge. A person must refrain from asking a narcissist questions, as it will give a narcissist ample opportunity to highlight their accomplishments while being demeaning and disparaging in the process.

    A person should only respond with facts whenever possible, as facts are difficult to challenge or argue. An individual using the grey rock method should stay away from discussing the past, as old arguments can be resurrected and blame can be reassigned. If this occurs, accepting blame and responsibility can be a tactic to further diffuse conversation, even if this is not the way that one truly feels.

    Although effective, the grey rock method can be frustrating to implement, especially when one has to suppress their true thoughts and opinions. However, acting like a rock and being emotionally non-responsive will bore a narcissist and cause them to quickly lose attention. Instead of going without attention and admiration, a narcissist will be forced to find it elsewhere.

    It is important to note that the goal of the grey rock method is to cause a narcissist to lose interest when having no contact is not a feasible option. In addition, the grey rock method can be utilized with individuals who possess other personality disorders, such as those with antisocial personality disorder or borderline personality disorder, or with others who are abusive or have sinister intentions.
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    How to Stop Gaslighting in Relationships (Plus the Original Gray Rock Story) and Tips for Using the Gray Rock Method (Safely)

    Communicating with a narcissist can be incredibly frustrating, especially when it matters that they comprehend what you’re saying. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve felt exasperated when trying to have simple conversations with narcissists who are actively gaslighting.

    In this video, I'm going to explain to you the three stages of gaslighting, plus exactly why we fall for it. Plus: I'll share the original story of how the gray rock method was invented and named by a woman named Skylar. (from 180rule.com)

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    Acting like a rock and being emotionally non-responsive will bore a narcissist and cause them to quickly lose attention. Instead of going without attention and admiration, a narcissist will be forced to find it elsewhere......



    Yes, I found this out myself...it is correctly. But a husband who looks for attention and admiration somewhere else........is hard for the wife to experience... This is only good if you really want to end the relationship instantly...and better don't hung out to watch....my advice....

    ........
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    Quote Posted by Whisper (here)
    Another thing I found out in my case, my husband is practicing bad spells, curses and black magic against people he believes did bad to him.... He use to tell me..people who did me wrong they later on get really harmed, have accidents or something else.

    And in one of our last talks, I did ask him.: What are you doing? Are you praying for something bad to happen or what? He said..Yes....
    Quote He use to tell me..people who did me wrong they later on get really harmed, have accidents or something else.
    He told you because he knew you’d believe him. It’s a desperate attempt to control and get juiced off your fear.

    Quote Narcissist do not see a reason why people do this and that. For example he does not understand why I left him, because he thinks everything he did and does is allright..but actually it is/was totaly not alright because it was more than painful for me...which he does not recognize, because there is no empathie on his side.
    Note - this is me talking to me:

    If he doesn’t understand why I left him, that means I’m still in contact with him. That means I’m contributing to the cycle of abuse. I do not have to care how he SAYS he feels.

    It no longer matters if he recognizes how painful it was for me. The most important thing is I get on with my life and make sure it includes lots of self-love.

    Quote So he might did practice some bad spell or curse on me. I have to inform myself on how to protect and clean myself from this now.
    A dialogue with myself:
    RunningDeer: “I can’t get on with my life until I study up on how to deflect spells and curses.
    Higher Self - Big Self: “It’s just a way to prolong a critical decision and sink further into the quicksand. Breathe. Journey on Warrior Woman.”


    He’s a low frequency man-bot. Alls he can hope to create is enough fear in you so you carry on his puny spells. He wants what you’ve got, Whisper. A warrior spirit. Give yourself permission to create new chapters.

    Godspeed. ♡


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    sorry ...deleted.....


    I look at it and then I try to let it go where it belongs...in the past.

    I am on a one way road....forwards. Did run around in a constant circle long enough.
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