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    Exactly!!!
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    Hi Rebecca,

    thank you so much for your postings and the link. I apprechiate you did this and it sure helps me a lot. It gives me some good ideas.

    Sorry I did not find time to answer earlier. To much is going on around me at the time and I am a bit ill. Have a fever, coughing attacs....I guess I have a flu.

    And yes, my light bulbs are on....and wont ever turn off anymore. This is for sure. I know what I have to leave behind asap.

    I am having some troubles lately on this page. I am not sure it is my PC or maybe this internet page? Some times the picture just starts to run and doesn`t stop, which makes it hard to read or write something at all. Does anybody else around here, has the same problem?
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    ..post traumatic stress syndrome....I read about..in connection with narcisstic abuses..... The PTS starts up with fears and panic attacs and can hold on up to 1 month - I read. Sometimes it gets along with amnesia also.

    It is caused by to much stress or emotional overloads or by shock situations, things or situations which are to much for the mind at the moment. The PTS is a warning symptom of the mind.....and a call for protection.......
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    ....

    ...I couple years ago, I guess the narcisstic attacs and everything been to much than already and I got panic attacs & fears I could not explain then. I even did run away and wanted to go to a hospital. My man was in his Mania again and hardly around. I even did call him and asked him to come home - but all he said was he has no time.

    I totaly lost my time frame and orientation and never made it to the hospital. And then had a black out for about 3 days? I dont remember anything at all - which was/ is very scary still to me. I was missing for 7 days. An ambulance did pick me up, somewhere on the side of a road they found me. All I had with me was gone..my purse, wallet, phone, my littel back pack...aso.

    For your information : I am not doing any drugs or alcohol....

    This so far was the worst part in my life I expierienced. I wont ever forget. Now at least I understand what caused all of this.

    And guess what, when they finally found me.....the reaction of my man and my daughter was just the worst you can imagine. No empathy from both of them. No hug, no question "what happened" or are you doing ok? - Nothing.

    I been yelled at mainly by our daughter.
    My husband did not ask any questions why or what.

    They did blame me for running away, leaving them without a message....The big word was : How could you do this to us? You better be sorry for this....

    you better apologize.....and so on.

    I thought I am in the wrong movie......

    I dont ever want to expierience something like this again....

    I guess this was a PTS..post traumatic stress syndrome....I read about..in connection with narcisstic abuses..... The PTS starts up with fears and panic attacs and can hold on up to 1 month - I read. Sometimes it gets along with amnesia also. It is caused by to much stress or emotional overloads or by shock situations, things or situations which are to much for the mind at the moment. The PTS is a warning symptom of the mind.....and a call for protection.......
    Whisper, I think it would be a good idea if you edit and delete the first two paragraphs of this post. I do like that you are sharing and feeling safe getting support from this community. However, this contains details about your plans that would be better if you kept them to yourself for now. Do not underestimate the intellectual (left brain) cunning and ability of your narcissist, no matter how incapacitated he may temporarily be - and a reminder that this is an open forum that anyone can see.

    Also, maybe I can share a story to illustrate what you are dealing with. When I was a teenager, my mother left my narcissist father and moved into an apartment. I was left to live with my father, and he was relentless in attacking me for information until after a couple of weeks, in a moment of weakness, I broke down and divulged to him the name of the street where she moved, just to get him to stop. I knew I made a mistake the second I said it, but I couldn’t take it back.

    He spent the next several days driving up and down the miles of road until he saw the car she drove parked on the street, and then somehow stalked her and found her address and apartment number. Now, he has never been physically abusive, despite constant threatening, and was not especially dangerous to her life. But, he literally flipped out when she left. He would stop at nothing to get her back under his control.

    If you do share any plans with a trusted family or friend, be sure they know not to share any information with your husband or anyone else he has contact with ... and do not assume that he is unable to track down your online communications or account passwords. There is no need to be paranoid, but do please be smart with your information.

    The cleaner the break you make, with as little to no contact with your narcissist, the better. This is better and safer not just for you, but also your husband. He will be out of his mind, and the less contact you have, the sooner he will be able to put his life together without your energy supply.

    On my fathers deathbed 30 years after their divorce, he said to me casually, “I gave your mother the best years of my life”. Lmao.

    I gently smiled back at him and responded, “That’s nothing for you to brag about”. All those years later, it was all he could think about.
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    Thanks Joe for the advice - yes, you are totally right about it.......it is an open forum.....I sometimes forget...

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    Listening to this PTS video made me think about those people with narcisstic or psychophatic disorders. I had both around me in my life already. And I had times I was thinking of revenge...mainly when they did upset or hurt me. I am above this today.

    By now I just feel sorry for them. They are mostlikly very intelligent people often with special talents aso. But they use their talents and knowledge in a total wrong way, which is damaging. It is sad. And they dont really recognize what kind of damage they do towards others, because they only think of themselves. They don't sense it when they hurt someone.

    And I think it is very sad, it you never can expierience to really love someone from the heart, but yourself.
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    Hi Rebecca,

    thank you so much for your postings and the link. I apprechiate you did this and it sure helps me a lot. It gives me some good ideas on how to leave quickly from here also.

    Sorry I did not find time to answer earlier. To much is going on around me at the time and I am a bit ill. Have a fever, coughing attacs....I guess I have a flu.

    And yes, my light bulbs are on....and wont ever turn off anymore. This is for sure. I know what I have to leave behind asap. My story is going since 1981 with this man. And I think I did waste enough of my life time into him, who does not apprechiate a thing I did or do for him. I even did bring up our daughter all by myself - she is 35 years old now. Enough is enough.

    I am having some troubles lately on this page. I am not sure it is my PC or maybe this internet page? Some times the picture just starts to run and doesn`t stop, which makes it hard to read or write something at all. Does anybody else around here, has the same problem?
    Hi Whisper, I understand.

    Perhaps something is wrong with your computer. I haven't had that problem lately.

    Joe makes a good point about keeping your plans undetectable.

    Do you always sign out and lock your computer when you're done? Do you have hard to guess passwords?

    Fortunately for me my ex husband was too preoccupied with work and his "second wife " to spy on me... Does your soon to be ex husband tend to spy on you?

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    Hi Rebecca7411,

    I think something is wrong with my pc. All of a sudden totaly different settings and then the picture starts running without any reason? ....
    My screen has been acting up too. It seems to only be on Avalon, the screen gets jumpy and scrolls and the cursor jumps around. It seems like a technical glitch with the website? Not doing it right now. I am working on a tablet.

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    Quote Posted by Whisper (here)
    Hi Rebecca7411,

    I think something is wrong with my pc. All of a sudden totaly different settings and then the picture starts running without any reason? Or maybe my husband was on it? He does not have good pc skills and hardly knows how to run a pc. He does not really use the pc. So I feel save about it. But you never know...right? We only have one password, we both know. Maybe I should make up a new one. Yes, good idea. Better save - than sorry.

    Well my man does not really spy on me as far as I know. But he likes to make phone calls to control where I am and what I do. This is not possible at the time, because he lost his phone. As long he is still in his mania episode he is mainly concentrated into things he likes to do and does not care much about me. He is overactiv running here and there, talking up to all kind people, makeing new friends, party a lot and he is very, very talk active. I am at home most of the time.

    He is gone most of the day, which makes it easy for me to make my decisions and to get prepared for the day I have planned to leave. But it seems like this mania episode is slowly coming to an end. And he could be back to be balanced out again soon.

    Then he turns back into the person which is mainly around me, day and night. I have to watch out then......
    If you don't change the password, you should clear your browsing history and sign out of project Avalon at the very least.

    My ex would sometimes seem to be balanced for a week or even a couple of weeks, only to go back into having manic episodes. Definitely watch out at all times.

    I'm glad he's gone most of the time and you get to plan. The more you prepare the more confident you will feel when you walk out the door!

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    Yes, thanks Rebecca7411 for the advice,

    I have a automatic setting which deletes all cookies and the browser history as soon I close the browser. And I always log out, when I am done on the forum also.

    But Joe is right, I should not forget this is an open forum and everybody can read in here, even without logging in.

    I have to keep this in my mind.

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    For those divorcing from narcissists and psychopaths



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    Default Re: 20 Basic Tactics Used By Narcissists, Sociopaths And Psychopaths To manipulate And Silence A Prey

    Here is an excellent article on narcissistic sociopathy by Brandon Smith:

    How To Identify A Globalist Criminal

    http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3...alist-criminal

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    Quote Posted by TrumanCash (here)
    Here is an excellent article on narcissistic sociopathy by Brandon Smith:

    How To Identify A Globalist Criminal

    http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3...alist-criminal
    very good article

    here part of it

    Quote Psychological Similarities Of Globalists

    Probably the most overwhelming epiphany I have come to in my 12 years of analysis into globalism and the nature of evil is that globalists are in fact tied together by a root mental illness or psychological aberration. This occurred during my research on narcissistic sociopathy, or what some circles might call “psychopathy”. Criminology indicates that not all criminals are full blown narcissistic sociopaths, but most full blown narcissistic sociopaths are criminals. Some are simply more successful criminals than others, and this usually depends on their ability to blend in and mimic or manipulate normal people.

    Full blown narcissistic sociopaths (or psychopaths) make up around 1% of any given population, but are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes or criminal enterprises. The lion's share of justice system resources are used in dealing with these people, as they are four to eight times more likely than the average person to use violence in daily interactions or as a tool to gain advantage, and twenty-five times more likely to end up in prison.

    There is a long list of character traits that make a narcissistic sociopath, but the defining features are a complete lack of conscience and empathy, a propensity for moral relativism (the ability to rationalize any and all destructive behavior), a desperate need to be adored or admired by everyone around them, a feeling of being “more special” than most people, a feeling of superiority, delusions of grandeur or an inherent right to manage the lives of others, an obsessive need to control and manipulate, impulsive desires and deviant sexual inclinations, and elitist associations (they will only associate with people they feel are like them and are “equally superior”).

    A defining fact of narcissistic sociopathy is that these traits are inborn, not a product of environment. In some cases environment can play a role in activating these traits, but if a person is not born with them, they generally do not adopt them later in life because of a traumatic environment. The following documentaries linked here and here are an excellent overview of high level narcissistic sociopaths.

    Narcissistic sociopaths defy all forms of treatment and cannot be reformed. They have no concrete personality beyond these traits, therefore, if you remove the traits, they are left with nothing else. They are almost anti-human; while most people are born with unique personality combinations, narcissistic sociopaths have none, so they mimic the personalities of those around them, mirroring behaviors and collecting or stealing quirks.

    Their primary drives are to fulfill their fantasies of superiority and godhood, as well as an endless quest to satiate their dopamine addiction. The more deviant the action, and the more successful they are at getting away with it, the more dopamine they generate and the more satisfied they feel. This leads to an endless cycle, seeking out more and more exploitation of others which becomes less and less satisfying, which leads to even greater deviance.

    I came to realize in my studies that these characteristics described almost exactly the observable behaviors of globalists. The difference being that globalists were so high functioning that they had actually built a society of narcissistic sociopaths that operated like a kind of cult, or a corporate entity. The only other historic example I could compare it to would be the mob, or other gangs which have blended into the surrounding normal society and operated in their midst.

    I do not know if a society of narcissistic sociopaths with its own tribal customs, mythologies and beliefs has ever been recorded before. While psychopathic people have been known in the past to organize into groups for mutual benefit, the globalists are something different. They are an anomaly; a well maintained culture of parasites that has blended almost seamlessly within normal society in order to feed off of non-psychopathic and empathetic people. The best fictional representation I can think of is the vampire. They are so similar I sometimes wonder if folklore creatures like vampires were based on narcissistic sociopaths as a way to warn people of their presence.

    Globalists are indeed a culture, a secretive and occult phenomenon that wants so badly to be recognized and worshiped, but fears public scrutiny. Their motivation at bottom is to condition or tear down normal, moral and free society until it becomes a place in which they can openly be what they really are without fear of judgment or consequences. They want to terraform civilization and make it a habitat that will accept them; a habitat for monsters surrounded by willing victims.

    by Brandon Smith

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    Can You Love the Narcissist and Rescue Him?
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    Published on Jan 12, 2011

    "I believe in the possibility of loving narcissists if one accepts them unconditionally, in a disillusioned and expectation-free manner.

    Narcissists are narcissists. Take them or leave them. Some of them are lovable. Most of them are highly charming and intelligent. The source of the misery of the victims of the narcissist is their disappointment, their disillusionment, their abrupt and tearing and tearful realisation that they fell in love with an ideal of their own making, a phantasm, an illusion, a fata morgana. This "waking up" is traumatic. The narcissist always remains the same. It is the victim who changes."



    (At 1:09 into the talk, Vaknin says that most narcissists are highly charming and intelligent. But there is no explanation as to why that is and it's very puzzling because narcissists are created by adverse situations, traumas, etc. Does anyone have an explanation as to why that might be? Thanks.
    Most troubling is the premise that narcissistic victims often become narcissists themselves, which makes sense, because being in a relationship with a narcissist is certainly traumatizing.
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    Victim of Narcissist: Move On!
    Sam Vaknin
    Published on Aug 4, 2011

    "To preserve one's mental health -- one must abandon the narcissist. One must move on.

    Moving on is a process, not a decision or an event. First, one has to acknowledge and accept painful reality. Such acceptance is a volcanic, shattering, agonising series of nibbling thoughts and strong resistances. Once the battle is won, and harsh and agonizing realities are assimilated, one can move on to the learning phase.

    Learning

    We label. We educate ourselves. We compare experiences. We digest. We have insights.

    Then we decide and we act. This is "to move on". Having gathered sufficient emotional sustenance, knowledge, support and confidence, we face the battlefields of our relationships, fortified and nurtured. This stage characterises those who do not mourn -- but fight; do not grieve -- but replenish their self-esteem; do not hide -- but seek; do not freeze -- but move on.

    Grieving

    Having been betrayed and abused -- we grieve. We grieve for the image we had of the traitor and abuser -- the image that was so fleeting and so wrong. We mourn the damage he did to us. We experience the fear of never being able to love or to trust again -- and we grieve this loss. In one stroke, we lost someone we trusted and even loved, we lost our trusting and loving selves and we lost the trust and love that we felt. Can anything be worse?

    The emotional process of grieving has many phases.

    At first, we are dumbfounded, shocked, inert, immobile. We play dead to avoid our inner monsters. We are ossified in our pain, cast in the mould of our reticence and fears. Then we feel enraged, indignant, rebellious and hateful. Then we accept. Then we cry. And then -- some of us -- learn to forgive and to pity. And this is called healing.

    All stages are absolutely necessary and good for you. It is bad not to rage back, not to shame those who shamed us, to deny, to pretend, to evade. But it is equally bad to get fixated on our rage. Permanent grieving is the perpetuation of our abuse by other means.

    By endlessly recreating our harrowing experiences, we unwillingly collaborate with our abuser to perpetuate his or her evil deeds. It is by moving on that we defeat our abuser, minimising him and his importance in our lives. It is by loving and by trusting anew that we annul that which was done to us. To forgive is never to forget. But to remember is not necessarily to re-experience."

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    Unmasking Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Their Abuse with RUTH JACOBS in CAMBRIDGE, UK (In the Booth)
    Sam Vaknin
    Published on Feb 14, 2014

    "Sam Vaknin, author of Malignant Self Love: Narcissism Revisited (http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com), shares his knowledge and personal experience of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
    In the Booth with Ruth - Sam Vaknin, author of Malignant Self Love: Narcissism Revisited" Filmed by Paul Henley (www.scarylion.co.uk) & Produced by Matthew Lynch (www.jlfilmandmedia.com)"


    (Fascinating interview with Sam Vaknin where he discusses how he came to terms with his own narcissism, and how he became the authority on the subject.
    No doubt the fact that his IQ is off the charts helped, and another reason why the story just gets more and more interesting. )
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    I truly like Vaknin, as an intelligent narcissist informant. But,he is and remains a narcissist.

    I think he observed much of the results on victims, he can talk of his observations, but they are cold observations. He cannot understand the real impact which has to do with love, love betrayal, love not returned, chance to live in love lost. This, he cannot understand.

    He cannot understand either the impact of the incredible amount of exploitation narcissist impose on their victims and the psychic transformation (which is not narcissim by the way as told in one of your previous post Onawah, but rather diminished trust in life altogether and quite reduce trust in human beings.)

    So, when he talks about the narcissists, he has all my ears opened.

    when he talk about the victims of narcissists, I take it with a grain of salt, thinking that he does not truly know what he is talking about.

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    As a personal note, he was the only one I found in year 2001, talking about narcissism, and pervert narcissists on the web. I was then trying to understand my husband, which kind of sick mind I had to deal with, and could not find much. But Vaknin thanks to him, I learned and understood what to do during the divorce, which was extremely long and painful in every senses.
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    In the UK at least, some small positive steps in the right direction appear to be being made.

    I never knew this until recently, but in 2015 a new UK law banning controlling behaviour came into effect with the aim of helping to protect those in unhealthy relationships:

    https://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/14_plus...violence-law-/

    https://www.disrespectnobody.co.uk/

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    Two Narcissists in a Couple
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    I met a narcissistic couple recently, and had such a hard time figuring out the dynamic. This explanation from Sam Vaknin helped a lot.


    And then there's the narcissist and the codependent--another good description from Vaknin


    Do Narcissists Truly Hate?
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