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    Default Feudalism, Then and Now

    I came across this for the first time watching Richard Dolan's Sept 2011 presentation, here (at 48:45, when Richard talks about it):
    I'd not seen it before, and I thought it was well worth sharing. There may not be a lot to discuss, but the graphic is a very compelling one.


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    There's almost nothing recognisably middle class in that diagram. At least not a self determining middle class.

    There never was a middle class until the industrial revolution created it. Oh what an annoying byproduct it was for them. All these so called developed societies with their half educated and over expecting legacy middle class trouble makers, oh dear oh dear oh dear., this will not do. We must return to a healthy feudal system. Let's have peasants with smart phones and be done with it.

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    Re: the graphic: I'd guess there's another level above that top one as well ... at least on the right side ...
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Default Re: Feudalism, Then and Now

    Some thoughts about feudalism

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    Default Re: Feudalism, Then and Now

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    There's almost nothing recognisably middle class in that diagram. At least not a self determining middle class.

    There never was a middle class until the industrial revolution created it. Oh what an annoying byproduct it was for them. All these so called developed societies with their half educated and over expecting legacy middle class trouble makers, oh dear oh dear oh dear., this will not do. We must return to a healthy feudal system. Let's have peasants with smart phones and be done with it.
    I think you've hit on a very important point... I think the wealth gap is a part of the psyop, a dis-empowerment tactic... the many win over the few, it's simple math... and the 1% are just that...

    I've seen the "wealth gap" too much on TV to trust it,, it violates one of my sacred rules: anything with significant TV coverage is NOT to be trusted and, quite probably, exactly the opposite of the truth. This is a purely formulaic approach to the MSM; but it's so far been extremely accurate.
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    Default Re: Feudalism, Then and Now

    I mentioned this very thing, Feudalism, to someone the other day and to my surprise he agreed with me. Now is as then, only there are more layers of illusion and programming to obscure it. How many times in your life have you heard about how much better off we are now, and that grandparents, great-grandparents had it tougher? Yet the so-called comforts we supposedly have, our washing machines and microwaves, just contribute to complacency and apathy - esp. if you are an avid TV watcher.

    Whether it was by accident or design that they gave us just enough to feel fortunate rather than hopeless it certainly worked out well for them. Here's hoping all claims of increasing awareness are real and that the lustre is wearing off the meaningless trinkets.

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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    There's almost nothing recognisably middle class in that diagram. At least not a self determining middle class.
    The category in the middle, a middle class that has some choice in how it positions itself (or maybe doesn’t, and is merely rationalizing what is happening to it; it makes no difference), is the intellectual or educated class. The long-term trend is for education to drip down; as this continues, the majority are smartening up, and any dumbing down that is going on is at the top. To date this has been offset by a brain drain, but as more and more intelligent people realize that true intelligence requires independence, notably intellectual but also economic and emotional, this process can only intensify.

    There is a mistake in this pyramid: the Clergy/Corporate elite category (.35) is larger than the two immediately below it (.2). Leaving that quibble to one side, while the two types of feudalism may be comparable in terms of layering, it fails to take into account this dynamic element whereby royalty and clergy have been gradually demoted. They are the representatives of an artificial dichotomy between temporal and spiritual power and their demise would appear to coincide with the rise of the intellectual or educated class – not in individual influence but in numbers, and collective influence. As part of this process, materialists with an imbalance in favour of the temporal have risen to the top, while others with a better balance of temporal and spiritual are emerging at the bottom where increasingly it is all happening as those tiny percentages at the top are reduced still further to an irksome irrelevance.


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    Bill,
    although I agree completely that the old feudal system is alive and well,
    I'm not sure I agree with the rankings.

    As far as I can perceive there is a man of the cloth (or witchdoctor) calling the shots from behind every throne.
    I feel the clergy definitely ranks higher than depicted.
    My sense is that the jew (perhaps orthodox, not zionist) is being set up as the fall guy once again - while the true puppeteers just engineer the next phase of the game plan.

    Further I would submit that dependant on the stage in the cycle of an empire, different societal roles move up and down the scale.

    Conquest stage - favours the military personnel

    Empire building - favours those with skilled labour. (eg: the original masons)

    Unfortunately the artisans seem to flourish during the decline - prior to Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned.

    I always got the impression that merchants were held in less regard along with the money lenders (until they made it big, of course) - along the lines of being leeches or middle men, making off the sweat of those who actually produced something of value.

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    Norman....you had me laughing out loud with your post!

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