Bill Ryan - Talks to Dark Journalist

[UfonautRadio]

Great interview Bill. You are bringing up the most important issues hurting the dwindling credibility of Ufology. I was hoping someone would finally have the courage to take on these guys.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
Great interview Bill. You are bringing up the most important issues hurting the dwindling credibility of Ufology. I was hoping someone would finally have the courage to take on these guys.

Yes, thanks. I think it now kind of depends who else might pick up the mantle and continue to press the important points. It's also been a kind of call for others to come forward, as a few already have.

[UfonautRadio]

I sure have for months on my show http://www.psn-radio.com/mondays/ufonautradio/, but I didn't have any inside info like you. Also, I'm not sure many people listen lol...This is such an important case that differentiates credible Ufology from New Age, factual and tangible proof of claims.

Now I did see a video last night with responses to your claims from Goode. First, did you see it? Second, he is asking for things from you now. What is your response please.

JR

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
I sure have for months on my show http://www.psn-radio.com/mondays/ufonautradio/, but I didn't have any inside info like you. Also, I'm not sure many people listen lol...This is such an important case that differentiates credible Ufology from New Age, factual and tangible proof of claims.

Now I did see a video last night with responses to your claims from Goode. First, did you see it? Second, he is asking for things from you now. What is your response please.

JR

If it's the video I think you mean (please link), this was taken from Corey's responses to my original piece. (The one in my post #1, on the Truth abut Corey Goode thread here.) It was published several days before Daniel's interview. In that interview, I gave my response to that.

[UfonautRadio]

Ah sorry Bill. I do get confused with the timeline.

[abmqa]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
Great interview Bill. You are bringing up the most important issues hurting the dwindling credibility of Ufology. I was hoping someone would finally have the courage to take on these guys.

Yes, thanks. I think it now kind of depends who else might pick up the mantle and continue to press the important points. It's also been a kind of call for others to come forward, as a few already have.

I guess with that said, I'll add my thoughts/theories of what I feel has been happening.

I'll start by addressing what I feel are key questions.


Who Are We?

We are all, at best, Second Class Citizens" Not that I would classify myself so highly.
For in a world where the"Secret Space Program" aka the "Breakaway Society" is a reality,
that place is certainly reserved for the likes of the Highly Wealthy and Super Famous.

The First Class citizens, the "Breakaway Society" those who have
left us behind, do need to concern themselves.

They have us exactly where they want. How they must laugh, as they casually observe
the chaos of their current PysOp and update their plans for their next move.

While most of us expend our precious energy to slave away our lives at jobs
we take in order to keep our water running and electricity flowing, our stomachs full.

As we live and die on planet earth. The Breakaway Society have used the fruits
of our energy to forge another society.

A society where technology and hidden knowledge has made the life that most
of us live obsolete.

This knowledge/secret technology eliminates electricity bills,
there are no worries over health care. Life Extension is an everyday reality.
They are free to use their energy to make leaps and bounds in knowledge.

Why did "They" leave us behind?

There can be any number of theories and reasons from: the inability to scale up
their current society to include approx. 7 billion people with the average life
expectancy of 71 years, to they just don't care.

What Do They Care About?

What they do care about is maintaining the Status Quo of secrecy pertaining to
the "Secret Space Program" and "Breakaway Society". In order to know what they
care about it is critical to know them.

Logic would dictate that the "Secret Space Program" is subordinate to the "Breakaway Society".
It's the "Breakaway Society" that is calling the shots. Us not knowing how the "Breakaway Society"
have organized themselves is a factor that clearly favors them.

While in the Air Force I was an ELINT Analyst, part of my training consisted of Electronic Warfare
theories and measures. One element of which is Electronic Counter-Measures/
Electronic counter-countermeasures (ECM/ECCM)

I have tried for practical purposes to categorize some these elements into my understanding of
what motivates the "Breakaway Society" to take action, ie what provokes them and
how it is we can learn from that.

A key to understanding the "Breakaway Society" is to examine the numerous and various PsyOps they
have employed during undoubtedly over 70 years of Information Warfare/Information Operations.

From before Roswell proceeding on to today the members of the "Breakaway Society" have endeavored
to maintain secrecy and when not able, then to confuse, disrupt or eliminate when necessary.

As a result of the alt-media's assertions of the existence of a "Secret Space Program" it is under
concentrated and continuous attack.

Some piece of the alt-media's assertions about the "Secret Space Program" is undoubtedly
real and true or else the obvious elements of Information Warfare /Information Operations
would not be occurring.

If we are to apply a classification scheme to the most basic strategies in
Information Warfare/Information Operations, they can be divided into four simple categories.

1) Denial of Information (DoI), ie concealment and camouflage, or stealth.

This is the normal level of defensive effort for all secret activities.
You and I do it everyday from passwords to pin numbers for bank accounts.
It's so normal as to go unquestioned. Example, a secret clearance required to work at NASA.

2) Deception and Mimicry (D&M), ie the insertion of intentionally misleading information.

This defensive action is more interesting as it and suggests a concern about some information
that has leaked or could be leaked. The intent of this action is to cause doubt and confusion about
information. This often shows itself in the MSM and in the Alt-media in different forms.
FakeNews etc.

3) Disruption & Destruction (D&D), ie the insertion of information which produces
a dysfunction inside the opponent's system; alternately the outright destruction of the system.

This can come in the form of cyber-attacks on equipment/resources or personal attacks on
key persons who may be whistle-blowers and/or their family members. This is usually done
to protect vital and highly secretive information. In this definition the term "system" can mean
a person or group of persons. Think of efforts to divide the Alt community as just one example.

4) Subversion (SUB), ie insertion of information which triggers a self destructive process
in the opponent's target system.

This is typically a continuous and insidious attack. I would dare say that the MSM is completely
subverted and many Alt-media outlets have people or information planted in them with the sole
purpose of subversion.

What can we do?

We must know ourselves, our abilities and limitations. This includes our knowledge base and available discernment tools, critical thinking, knowledge, intuition and research. Having a good balance of these skills with a healthy amount of skepticism can aid in recognizing the different elements of Information Warfare that are in place. This also enables us understand the framework from which we are being attacked by the "Breakaway Society".

Lastly, understand that we, Project Avalon members, are the public faces of the Alt-media.
It is us that the MSM often looks to criticize and debase. Therefore it is critical that we set examples of sensibility and decorum in our dealings with not only those against us, but as well as with each other.

[norman]

PART 2:
COSMIC BACKLASH! COREY'S STORIES #EPICFAIL - DARK JOURNALIST & BILL RYAN

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p0ct3YAqEtM

Published on 13 May 2017
Visit http://www.DarkJournalist.com

More Revelations From Project Avalon's Bill Ryan Including Disturbing New Evidence!

Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan returns for part 2 of his in-depth interview with Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt this week to discuss the details of his viral article, “The Truth About Corey Goode,” which attempts to explain the bizarre story of a man who claims to be a member of Secret Unacknowledged Special Access Programs inside the military that deal with space operations, but who has offered no actual evidence for his incredible assertions.

Mind Control Entertainment
Ryan explains in detail that the co-opting of genuine research into the Secret Space Program by Goode and others from legitimate UFO investigators and whistleblowers, like Dr. Joseph Farrell, Richard Dolan, Gary McKinnon, appears to be the combination of opportunist marketing gurus and low-level covert intelligence operators. He also describes a technology of mind control and consciousness hijacking revealed by whistleblower Dr. Robert Duncan. Dr. Duncan gave disturbing information of a deep intelligence program that targets unstable, compromised individuals under personal and financial pressure to come forward with unverifiable information or sensationalist stories as a way to drag down UFO credibility and control the narrative around independent research that gets too close to the truth. Ryan explains that based his personal interactions with Goode and on information he gleamed by working with the testimony he gave when he first came forward publicly, that he has concluded that Goode is a prime example of this kind of insidious program that turns a human being into a manipulated puppet of a larger agenda.

Missing Trillions: Deflecting Legitimate Research
Is the marketing enterprise circus around Goode, that includes TV show appearances with host David Wilcock (who bizarrely claims to be the reincarnation of Famous Psychic Edgar Cayce), Blue Avian Comic Books and Glitzy Event Appearances, a coordinated effort to create a bogus UFO Celebrity in order to distract from genuine investigation into the missing trillions which more reliable sources say have been pumped into a Secret Space Program? Are all of these New Age Sci-Fi fantasies being presented as the truth, with no corroborating evidence in a concerted effort to discourage legitimate research?

[CurEus]

Bill mentioned something towards the end of the interview that I believe we suffer as near fatal design flaw. 52 minute area....

The human brain does not have a firewall.

From what I observe in almost every abduction account humans are paralyzed by the abilities of the abduction perpetrators. Our minds are read, manipulated, implanted with memories are we have our memories suppressed or blocked. They can force us to feel emotions like love, terror etc that are not our own.

Bill mentions that trained psychics can also dominate overwhelm our minds quite easily. I would equate that with the most aggressive and repugnant forms of assault imaginable. I find this whole notion infuriating.

[RunningDeer]

I listed bunch of descriptors like: informative, professional, big picture, detailed, sensitivity towards parties, entertaining, and yous guys done good. But I decided to go with I didn’t want it to end and was tickled to discover there’s a Part 3.

Kudos to you, Bill and Daniel.

[section9]

I can't thank Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt enough for this set of interviews.

I'm new here, but I'm reminded of Richard Dolan's admonition from his recent Australian lecture of how easy it would be to suborn the entire Alternative Research Community within about six months with a planted Narrative.

[avid]

The tact and diplomacy Bill utilises in all rationales is commendable, there is truly no animosity, just support for the truth.
Thank you for being a beacon of positivity Bill, and hopefully others will 'see the light', despite the mists of delusion. 👍

So looking forward to the next instalment, thanks Daniel

[norman]

Posted by CurEus (here)
Bill mentioned something towards the end of the interview that I believe we suffer as near fatal design flaw. 52 minute area....

The human brain does not have a firewall.

From what I observe in almost every abduction account humans are paralyzed by the abilities of the abduction perpetrators. Our minds are read, manipulated, implanted with memories are we have our memories suppressed or blocked. They can force us to feel emotions like love, terror etc that are not our own.

Bill mentions that trained psychics can also dominate overwhelm our minds quite easily. I would equate that with the most aggressive and repugnant forms of assault imaginable. I find this whole notion infuriating.

When the secret government got to thinking about the ET phenomenon, studying every case they could, they would have quickly realised at least two very important things. The first is the technology which would be very beneficial for them if they could reverse engineer it for themselves. The second is the very powerful 'ESP' type of phenomenon that people who have been in contact with ETs report, or at least their accounts of what happened to them would reveal.

There's that quoted phrase I can't remember who said "What do you know about ESP ?" Meaning, when you know about that, you'll understand what the ET phenomenon is.

Just as much as they would be falling over themselves trying to reverse engineer the technology, once they knew it was possible, they would be doing likewise with mind manipulation once they knew it was possible to do that, too. Their mind manipulation abilities might be every bit as strange and advanced as floating black triangles.

[abmqa]

Posted by section9 (here)
I can't thank Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt enough for this set of interviews.

I'm new here, but I'm reminded of Richard Dolan's admonition from his recent Australian lecture of how easy it would be to suborn the entire Alternative Research Community within about six months with a planted Narrative.

Yup, this is exactly what is going on. If Bill and all of PA were to co-opt to Corey's and David's obviously flawed Blue Avian narrative. Once it became exposed as a fraud, then the integrity of PA would be severely compromised. This fits under the Information warfare/Information Operations strategy that I detailed in this post here https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1152020

4) Subversion (SUB), ie insertion of information which triggers a self destructive process
in the opponent's target system.

This is typically a continuous and insidious attack. I would dare say that the MSM is completely
subverted and many Alt-media outlets have people or information planted in them with the sole
purpose of subversion.

Bill is fighting the "good fight" here in exposing this false narrative for what it is.

[Chester]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by CurEus (here)
Bill mentioned something towards the end of the interview that I believe we suffer as near fatal design flaw. 52 minute area....

The human brain does not have a firewall.

From what I observe in almost every abduction account humans are paralyzed by the abilities of the abduction perpetrators. Our minds are read, manipulated, implanted with memories are we have our memories suppressed or blocked. They can force us to feel emotions like love, terror etc that are not our own.

Bill mentions that trained psychics can also dominate overwhelm our minds quite easily. I would equate that with the most aggressive and repugnant forms of assault imaginable. I find this whole notion infuriating.

When the secret government got to thinking about the ET phenomenon, studying every case they could, they would have quickly realised at least two very important things. The first is the technology which would be very beneficial for them if they could reverse engineer it for themselves. The second is the very powerful 'ESP' type of phenomenon that people who have been in contact with ETs report, or at least their accounts of what happened to them would reveal.

There's that quoted phrase I can't remember who said "What do you know about ESP ?" Meaning, when you know about that, you'll understand what the ET phenomenon is.

Just as much as they would be falling over themselves trying to reverse engineer the technology, once they knew it was possible, they would be doing likewise with mind manipulation once they knew it was possible to do that, too. Their mind manipulation abilities might be every bit as strange and advanced as floating black triangles.

norman, IMO the point you make here is hugely important and IMO also, under appreciated when it comes to the whole "research community"...

meaning, I can understand the case for "grounded research" (like document research) but where are the "grounded investigations" as to the aspect of testimony where some elements of a story (and perhaps even most or all elements of someone's story) are wholly believed the one providing the testimony and yet, there are also cases where someone else who may also be at this same "place"... believing parts or perhaps most and even all of their story where, people are forced to chose "who is truthful" and thus then, that insinuates "who is not."

And so in this regard, even with Goode... who I personally know was and likely is intelligent enough to recognize his own, massive story changes during what I call his "grooming period" are demonstrations to himself that surely should have resulted in that self admitance of being dishonest and at least in part, consciously making stuff up... I honestly cannot discount that through the "mind doorway" there has been entry and influence (human developed mind hacking tech and/or 3D ET and/or other "D" ET mind influencing via ESP and the apperatus in the mind that ESP utilizes) which may cause him to "believe" just enough of what he has said and where he is able to "justify" enough of these story changes within the inner workings of his mind... and that all this could be possible for other "witnesses" too such that tow witnesses may be sharing "truthful" or at least "somewhat truthful" information where "the audience" feels like they must choose who to believe.

And if my speculation is true and the fact is that third party influence has indeed created this dynamic to at least some degree of impactful significance... we better open our minds to it but also, we may be faced with having to accept that it may be quite impossible to prove.

And so if this is the case... how do we deal with this? How do researchers deal with it? If we just go on the purely provable, we may also be missing the far more significant truth.

Again... just saying maybe.

I base everything I said above on my own personal experience and with multiple different individuals who I have been fortunate to meet since I became interested in the more hidden world and the possibilities beyond the MSM movie projection of reality.

[abmqa]

Posted by Sam Hunter (here)

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by CurEus (here)
Bill mentioned something towards the end of the interview that I believe we suffer as near fatal design flaw. 52 minute area....

The human brain does not have a firewall.

And so in this regard, even with Goode... who I personally know was and likely is intelligent enough to recognize his own, massive story changes during what I call his "grooming period" are demonstrations to himself that surely should have resulted in that self admitance of being dishonest and at least in part, consciously making stuff up... I honestly cannot discount that through the "mind doorway" there has been entry and influence (human developed mind hacking tech and/or 3D ET and/or other "D" ET mind influencing via ESP and the apperatus in the mind that ESP utilizes) which may cause him to "believe" just enough of what he has said and where he is able to "justify" enough of these story changes within the inner workings of his mind... and that all this could be possible for other "witnesses" too such that tow witnesses may be sharing "truthful" or at least "somewhat truthful" information where "the audience" feels like they must choose who to believe.

And if my speculation is true and the fact is that third party influence has indeed created this dynamic to at least some degree of impactful significance... we better open our minds to it but also, we may be faced with having to accept that it may be quite impossible to prove.

Richard Dolan has related some of what you may be referring to in this very interesting podcast with Alexis Brookes, the entire podcast is worth a listen, however the ET ESP abilities are related to listeners at around the 5 minute mark.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JbVyST3W9s0

Later in this podcast he relates more stories of ET mind control.

[norman]

I'm trying to think which would have the most detrimental effect on the mass search for the truth.

1) Payed leakers, whistleblowers and commentators.

2) Leakers, whistle blowers and commentators who have become engaged in situations that require a constant stream of audience attention gathering, like internet radio shows, free or not and conferences.

Among commentators, there's a propensity to want or need to show that they are well abreast of the current "information" field. This has a huge tendency to make "information' circular in that it goes around and around so often that it becomes legend or even "the truth" and social wallpaper that a tribe can comfortably gather in to normalise what is otherwise a strange interest to have.

In the last two years or so, 'conferences' have become like Glastonbury festival. I've never been to one so I'm only observing from afar, but it's pretty hideous from what I can tell. Booking speakers is as silly as making sure Cold Play are on the main stage on Saturday night at 9pm etc.

In the case of Glastonbury festival, it's only a decade or two later that people look back and see how silly it all was.

I feel that an active effort is being made to fatten up the central hub of the truther scene so that it can be managed much like a music scene can. Rather than spending hard stolen black money to steer the crowd, they can have a system that generates it's own money, and lots of it for people who do the most to manage it.

Am I losing the plot here, or making some kind of sense ?

[Innocent Warrior]

The alternative/truth community has standards and, by definition, must uphold those standards if it is to continue to be respected and trusted as an alternative option for news, research, discussions and action.

Expect the community to be infiltrated and attempts for it to be steered in a way that benefits the infiltrators. Expect attempts at bastardising the truth movement and what it produces, that is essential for the survival of the current system of fear, control, injustice and ongoing suffering.

My suggestion, as a part of the solution, is to stop referring to imposters such as David Wilcock and Corey Goode as being a part of the alternative/truth community, they are mainstream posing as alternative and they are, by definition, not a part of the truth community.

[Mike]

Hi Norman, you used a term there that made an impression on me: "information field". They create an information field, a meme, and once crystallized in the minds of its participants, it's very intellectually limiting. over time, it's hard to see outside of it. It's how the seemingly outrageous eventually becomes the "new normal", I think.

Yeah, I think youre also on to something with keeping the money "in house". Not that they need it, but its a form of energy depletion...on top of all the other energy depleting tricks (some might say 'magic') we're already subjected to. Plus theyre just greedy bastards.

[Chester]

again, norman... in this post here you are hitting on exactly what I have observed. I also have been saddened to see how all this has evolved... specifically with regards to one example where a known threat to the vulnerable has still been shamelessly promoted and, himself, exploited where there's been not a single word coming out from this individual or those who are supposedly "close" to this individual that he has sought the obvious necessary and needed counseling.

The moral bankruptcy here really, really harms the best interests of so many in this community and it is no mystery to me that in this particular case, a formerly respectable "researcher" (my opinion only) who is one of those that continues to defend and feature this guy has been pounding my e-mail inbox for donations.

[section9]

Posted by Rachel (here)
The alternative/truth community has standards and, by definition, must uphold those standards if it is to continue to be respected and trusted as an alternative option for news, research, discussions and action.

Expect the community to be infiltrated and attempts for it to be steered in a way that benefits the infiltrators. Expect attempts at bastardising the truth movement and what it produces, that is essential for the survival of the current system of fear, control, injustice and ongoing suffering.

My suggestion, as a part of the solution, is to stop referring to imposters such as David Wilcock and Corey Goode as being a part of the alternative/truth community, they are mainstream posing as alternative and they are, by definition, not a part of the truth community.

The trouble with David Wilcock, whom I have been dismissing as a carnival barker, is that Bill Ryan worked with him and Kerry Cassidy on the in-depth interview with Pete Peterson and, as you will recall from the conversation with Daniel Liszt, Wilcock himself has published some important works in alternative research. Wilcock's involvement with Goode is quite troubling.

I just am at a loss of what to think about Wilcock, unless he has succumbed to that "UFO disease" that Bill mentioned in Part I of his interview with DJ.