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    Default Re: The New World Religion - Is "Disclosure" becoming it ?

    Thanks, Norman! The truth IS weirder than fiction!!

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    "Michael [Salla] and I are now allies and we are going to work together" - Andrew Basiago


    "He's focused on that school of historiography that everything has to be written down to be believed" - Andrew Basiago (on Jim Marrs)
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    Default Re: The New World Religion - Is "Disclosure" becoming it ?

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)

    Do you see Disclosure as part of this awakening or a trap, or just how could it manifest, in terms of a new religion?
    life is a vast awareness test...and people are all afflicted with damnesia....
    maybe it is like Alan Watts would say, we wanted to see how far we could lose ourselves in this dream state....it may be a lot of things.
    disclosure is just a new trend.... used to have validity, until it became commercial thing, but like all valid experiences, when they go commercial they become a whole different creature...
    that guy Paul in the new testament said the law was a tutor...... thinking on that line, knowing the whole book is a vast nested allegory, one can see that any system of "law", which is what religions are, are just a means to an end...which is just the beginning....
    headhunters are endemic in this realm and death cults dominate, so could it be a trap....LOL what else could it possibly be... of course it is...what isn't a trap here, in one way or another.... how one navigates through it defines the experience and shapes the character....
    and this all provides the background for the never ending story we are all entangled in...if we vanquished all the villains and overcame all the challenges...we would have to invent new ones or this place would have no point
    maybe.... who can say definitively, all we have at best are speculations which we can share.....
    That is a great response. Thanks so much for taking the time. I am inclined to agree with you! It could be that the closer we get to a small piece of the truth about et contact, it's real nature and spiritual implications, the more it begins to morph along different lines. That, plus our own inadvertent capacity to cloak reality with commercialism and or drama or wishful thinking, might play a role.

    The other thing to consider (and this might just be a loose kind of 'universal law' we are being slowly introduced to) -- we may only be able to have close contact with beings who mirror our own collective morality and integrity. The rough part here would be suffering the consequences of contact with beings who are more intellectually advanced but otherwise just like us! What a horror that could be.

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    Thanks, Norman! The truth IS weirder than fiction!!
    I'm not sure how much of that really was the truth.

    Foxie, I'm wondering if we should reconsider that old saying. Now they can do things with computers, fiction can get as weird as they want it to be.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdMUg6RCTYE

    Quote @ 41:00 Kerry [Cassidy] was badgering me so severely that I actually screwed up in what I was saying and I said “well that’s not true you just said, made me say something that’s not true”. And I stopped the filming and asked them to recap that question. I know what badgering is because I’m a trial lawyer, it’s my profession okay, I know what evidential objections are as well, her interview style was not fair . . .

    You don’t think its fair, to interview like a polygraph when interviewing someone is all you’ve got, when they claim they’ve been to mars and back!

    And this guy wants to run for president . . . seriously . . .

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    @ Norman....How can anyone EVER know who is telling the truth & who is not?! I think of Bob Dean & the interviews Bill & Kerry did with him. He explained how he was taken somewhere for a period of a couple weeks(I think), but when he got home found he had only been gone for minutes! How I treasure the pioneering work Bill & Kerry did which opened many eyes to many things! We all grow & progress over a lifetime; we learn new lessons. I can totally understand how Bill would have tried to make the best of his first interview with CG. It wasn't that he was setting him up to cut him down later; it was a logical procession of learning, as we all do, hopefully!

    However...because of the events of his own life, AB sees things in the light of his own experiences ONLY. He was very much on the defensive trying to prove that he was a decent human being & did not deserve to be treated with disrespect by the UFO community. I take his point there & I think we Avalonians also agree that each of us deserves to be treated with respect. I assume part of the reason Bill & Kerry split up was because of a difference in manner of operation. We each grow & develop along different paths & sometimes those paths diverge. That in itself is not "bad"; we each need to be mature enough to recognize another person's worth, even though their mode of operation might be different from ours. I'm sure none of us want to descend to the level of simply, namecalling. Bill has done a great service in uniting with DJ to help steer this leaky vessel on its path; it IS an ongoing journey! In my opinion, AB's outburst is simply the next step in this ongoing situation. I am SO thankful for all I have learned here on Avalon & in no way could ever repay my debt to Bill for starting this forum. In this world today it is such a relief to be able to have exchanges here where one CAN expect to be treated with respect. In Avalon we have a HUGE treasure! Thanks, Bill!

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    Re Andy Basiago, he's the nicest person. But in my very strong informed opinion, he's definitely had his mind messed with.

    I was the first person he ever told his story to, in Feb 2007, in an unrecorded 4 hour phone call. He told me at length about Project Pegasus: the child teleportation stuff. He was unable to offer proof of anything, but listed a whole bunch of detailed names and places. That was all he talked about. (And, I have to say, very interesting it was, too.)

    In 4 hours, he never once mentioned Mars.

    I’m as sure as I can be that he never had anything like that in his mind then.

    The significance of this is that his Mars story all came later. He’s been interfered with, to
    • discredit any real Mars whistleblowers (and I think there have been one or two real ones, e.g. Arthur Neumann/ ‘Henry Deacon’ and RDW, an early contact of Bill Hamilton; and,
    • discredit his own Pegasus story.
    Andy almost certainly hijacked the term ‘Jumproom’, which he always uses, from my video conversation with David Wilcock called Jumproom to Mars.

    I actually invented the term ‘Jumproom’ myself.

    Before that, the word was unknown. According to ‘Henry’, the device, which has one ‘terminus’ at and is operated by the NRO at RAF Menwith Hill, in North Yorkshire, is really called ‘The Corridor’.

    On our 2010 TV show, an unpublished scene was Andy’s arranged on-camera meeting with LA body language specialist Dr Lillian Glass. She’d never heard of the Secret Space program, or anything like it, but was totally game, and a really high quality person.

    Andy recounted his Mars ‘Jumproom’ story, thanked her sincerely for listening, and then left the room. Lillian was flabbergasted. It was hilarious.

    She told us and the camera: (my paraphrase from memory, but I have the audio transcribed in archive)
    “Well, I don’t know what happened to him, but he absolutely believes he’s telling the truth.”
    And I do think he believes everything he thinks he remembers. But some of those 'memories' are NEW, post Feb 2007.

    In that day of filming, I sat with him at lunchtime for 45 minutes and explained very carefully, kindly, and politely, why I thought he had been messed with. He listened with great courtesy. He had the greatest difficulty understanding what I was trying to say.

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    Thanks, Bill! It is good to know what your early experiences with him were! It is very sad to think that we cannot even trust our own memories! As I understand it, some of these "20 & Back" individuals report that even though their minds have been wiped, at times the memories bleed through or they might have nightmares bringing back what has happened to them. The same with abductees. Not many of us have the time & experience put into this subject as have you. Up close & personal is a great advantage in being able to understand this entire phenomenon. I'm wondering about the experiences of Dan Burish? I think of the term "Breakaway Civilization" that Richard Dolan started. Your "Jumproom" term was also picked up in the same manner & used to explain a phenomenon none of us could even begin to understand! Those of us on Avalon are most fortunate to have access to all sides of many issues which allows us to pick through the evidence & draw our own conclusions. Mil Gracias, Bill!!!

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    I listened to that Basiago interview yesterday, the latest with Randy Maugans..and it was so silly that I found myself getting embarrassed for everyone involved.

    Poor Andy. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I really feel bad for him. He is staggeringly naive.

    He's in full on victim mode here. He is very, very windy..but actually rarely says anything of any real value. He just spends a ton of time attempting to justify his position while offering nothing, NOTHING in the way of evidence or verification.

    Oh my...at one point he's threatening litigation against someone (Hoagland maybe, can't recall. He does this a few times during this rant..for defamation) and says that (I'm paraphrasing) the lawsuit would be an easy one because all he'd have to do is give his Mars jumproom presentation in court and that would win him the case

    To me he comes off as a pathetic character, someone who needs a hug and some caring guidance. At one point, during his woe is me rant, he describes how he was genuinely surprised and hurt that his appearance on "The Colbert Report" was arranged as a spoof piece.....even though it's a comedy/parody show that quite literally has never done a serious piece on *ANYTHING*. Colbert, for those that don't know, played a *fictional* talk show host on that show LOL...a profoundly and obviously silly one at that! Andy admitted that he knew this, but was *STILL* surprised that he was presented like this And instead of pointing out the obvious, Randy chimed in with some asanine comments to do with Colbert being a groomed disinformer or something goofy like that. It was just embarrassing.

    Oh, and Bill and Kerry are government operatives, says Andy. Are you aware that you're an operative Bill???
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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    he describes how he was genuinely surprised and hurt that his appearance on "The Colbert Report" was arranged as a spoof piece.....even though it's a comedy/parody show that quite literally has never done a serious piece on *ANYTHING*. Colbert, for those that don't know, played a *fictional* talk show host on that show LOL...a profoundly and obviously silly one at that! Andy admitted that he knew this, but was *STILL* surprised that he was presented like this
    Here: (OMG)

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    I had a lengthy telephone conversation with A. Basiago a week or so after the 2004 pResendential [s]election. I spoke to him by phone once again 2-3 years later. The first call was about 3 hours. The second about ten minutes.

    He called me on both occasions. He had been referred to me by a client of mine, Ernest Garcia, who was himself a victim of secrect, non consensual LSD and other mind control and super soldier stuff immediately following WWII while he was in the USArmy. Basiago was convinced that Ernest was one of the guards assigned to watch him at times when Basiago was going through the alleged teleportation and other off-book activities as a child in the 70s as I recall. (Ernest later told me that he was not the guard and that he did not want to talk to AB.)

    The reason for AB's call to me was to see if I would lead a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's win in 2004. Long story short I declined, but he raised some valid points. Also, his command of legal principles and his presentation of his case was that of a reasonably competent lawyer. It was not long, however, before he changed the subject to Ernest being his guard, which in turn led to AB talking for about 2 hours about his childhood, his father's connection to black ops, teleportation, Lamy (New Mexico), Rumsfeld having shown him video of the Twin Towers collapsing by bringing the video from the future back to the mid-70s and showing he and his father.....

    I have a post on this forum from several years ago providing a bit more detail and my impression of him. (If I knew how I'd copy it here.) In short, at that time he seemed to have convinced himself of the truth of what he says and he had a story with a great bit of detail. He was either spinning a yarn on the fly with great confidence and conviction, or it is his reality...or he thinks it is.

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    I have a post on this forum from several years ago providing a bit more detail and my impression of him. (If I knew how I'd copy it here.)
    Here it is:
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    I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

    Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

    Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

    I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

    He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

    The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

    I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

    I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

    But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

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    Religion was developed as a means to control the masses.

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    Thank you Bill. You're tops.

    Mod how-to tip from Bill: I found the post by entering your username + the (probably rare!) search term 'Basiago'. That generated two results: your post of yesterday, and the one from Dec 2010.

    I then copied the post to this thread (which mods can do), changing the timestamp. If you'd found it, you could simply have copied the text and pasted it as a new post, checking that all links were preserved.

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    Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !

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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Get your questions ready for Corey Goode !
    Well, a couple of dozen (at least!) can be generated from this. This is the first time I've made this public.
    This is a 16 page, 5300 word document (though a lot of the words are Corey's) in which I reply in fully referenced detail to his responses to my original The Truth About Corey Goode piece. One friend who read it described it as 'damning'. (And, it is.)

    I sent it last week to Justin Deschamps, from Stillness in the Storm (http://stillnessinthestorm.com). He had earlier asked me for my rejoinder.

    I had to send it to him twice. He acknowledged it the second time. However, as best I know, he's so far opted NOT to publish it. (But, maybe I'll be wrong: he may simply be busy, and I genuinely hope that's the reason. It wouldn't look all that good for his partiality if my detailed response were to be withheld, after he'd actually asked for it.)

    ***

    A separate matter: not included in this document is a Skype reference I found yesterday from Corey, to me, in Oct 2014, where he'd copied a friend's message to me — in which his friend ('Kevin') had quoted back what Corey had told him his IT capability actually was.

    His friend (who for various good reasons, too long to include in this post, appears with a high degree of probability to be convicted 'ethical hacker' Kevin Mitnick) wrote to Corey, copied and shared by Corey with me:
    "I know you said your knowledge is limited to IIS Application Hosting, Hardware and Software Network Virtualization."
    Those long words sound impressive to non-geeks, but that's actually pretty low level. Certainly no 'expert'. He'd be stretched to earn a high five-figure income from that, let alone a high six-figure one, as he's publicly claimed. That then generates one or two more questions, too.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A separate matter: not included in this document is a Skype reference I found yesterday from Corey, to me, in Oct 2014, where he'd copied a friend's message to me — in which his friend ('Kevin') had quoted back what Corey had told him his IT capability actually was.

    His friend (who for various good reasons, too long to include in this post, appears with a high degree of probability to be convicted 'ethical hacker' Kevin Mitnick) wrote to Corey, copied and shared by Corey with me:
    "I know you said your knowledge is limited to IIS Application Hosting, Hardware and Software Network Virtualization."
    Those long words sound impressive to non-geeks, but that's actually pretty low level. Certainly no 'expert'. He'd be stretched to earn a high five-figure income from that, let alone a high six-figure one, as he's publicly claimed. That then generates one or two more questions, too.
    It simply isn't hard to reach 6 figures in the right locations with the right IT specialties. And it seems relatively established that "virtualization has been hot for a while" (TechRepublic)

    Most of the people I've met in IT / Software areas who I knew made 6 figures were just doing something specialized for a company that was itself making a lot of money, with higher management not directly knowledgeable in the specialized areas, and so the people they hire didn't need to be unusually impressive people in any way except for demonstrating some specialized knowledge.

    Some of these response-response points feel like grasping at straws still, but many of them seem clearly legitimate, it is the underwhelming total weight of this evidence against Corey that still troubles me. I don't think calling anyone a "liar" so assuredly is ever the right move in this field. As you mention, memory errors are still a possibility and can indeed explain various mistakes, but needing to fall back on calling even memory issues a form of "lying" is not very tactful in bringing people together, especially when those people are newcomers to ufology research and having trouble finding a proper footing, often through seeking out enlightened (sounding) voices.

    I personally had such a fuzzy memory of the Dane Tops interview where you stated you were experienced with an "offshoot of the original Church of Scientology" that in my mind I had associated you with Scientology quite strongly, not remembering the details of the relationship or how closely their beliefs would have matched with yours. I personally would not have ever brought it up without looking more closely for the facts, but not everyone can be expected to adhere to the same standards of research, and sadly mistakes seem inevitable for that reason.

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    I listened to that Basiago interview yesterday, the latest with Randy Maugans..and it was so silly that I found myself getting embarrassed for everyone involved.

    Poor Andy. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I really feel bad for him. He is staggeringly naive.

    He's in full on victim mode here. He is very, very windy..but actually rarely says anything of any real value. He just spends a ton of time attempting to justify his position while offering nothing, NOTHING in the way of evidence or verification.

    Oh my...at one point he's threatening litigation against someone (Hoagland maybe, can't recall. He does this a few times during this rant..for defamation) and says that (I'm paraphrasing) the lawsuit would be an easy one because all he'd have to do is give his Mars jumproom presentation in court and that would win him the case

    To me he comes off as a pathetic character, someone who needs a hug and some caring guidance. At one point, during his woe is me rant, he describes how he was genuinely surprised and hurt that his appearance on "The Colbert Report" was arranged as a spoof piece.....even though it's a comedy/parody show that quite literally has never done a serious piece on *ANYTHING*. Colbert, for those that don't know, played a *fictional* talk show host on that show LOL...a profoundly and obviously silly one at that! Andy admitted that he knew this, but was *STILL* surprised that he was presented like this And instead of pointing out the obvious, Randy chimed in with some asanine comments to do with Colbert being a groomed disinformer or something goofy like that. It was just embarrassing.

    Oh, and Bill and Kerry are government operatives, says Andy. Are you aware that you're an operative Bill???
    Oh Mike.. Mike.. Mike.. you are soooo funny!
    I would say thank you for saving me a few hours that I could use in a more productive way but
    I don't think I would have listened anyway.
    I think I am so over whistleblowers and no more reports from Mars.
    As within so without

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    What is sad for me is that with all that is happening in the current situation, the genuine "whistleblowers" are like the babies being thrown out with the bathwater. Are we to assume Bob Dean was lying in his testimony? What I would look at is this; how much money is a person making off a story they are telling.

    It appears that the disinfo crowd is winning the game of trying to keep us from realizing what is REALLY going on. Would we assume C.A. Fitts' analogy of a man having two families which do not know about each other an incorrect assumption as well? If David Adair had an actual hands on interaction with a symbiotic engine back in 1972, what could be going on here in 2017 that we would be hard pressed to believe? What has been gained by all the work put in by so many honest human beings trying to figure out what is going on? I, for one, am just trying to sift through everything I have leaned here on Avalon. I do understand that each of us may come to very different conclusions, but we can still be polite & respectful.

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