Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

[LadyKitt]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by norman (here)
The first hour missed by miles, to get anywhere near the problem.

Agreed. This is boring as sh!t.

Bunch of words
but not much said. (yet)

Yeah, but all those kissy-face obsequious ego-schmoozing words were so full of hot air that roundtable group was prolly ready to float.

Hey, if we strapped them to the table and lit all that hot gas, we'd have our first manned mission to Mars!

Ah, well, day late perhaps. Still, I thoroughly enjoyed the thread. Thanks, all!

Kitt

[Gemma13]

Posted by 9ofClubs (here)
What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

[raregem]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by 9ofClubs (here)
What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

I appreciate your candor and reflection on this subject. Would you mind adding more to the STO/STS meme. This one also seems scrambled in it's concept for me. I do believe it has been one of "turning the other cheek" (bible) only to be harmed in the end. Oh, unless one is only the observer and not taking the hits personally. The message I have at this time is to shut down FEELINGS of the empathic kind and just observe. But, then what??????

n

[Gemma13]

Would you mind adding more to the STO/STS meme

Wish I had time for that but at the moment I’m swamped. Ever since I discovered the alternative though it has always intrigued me as it is bandied around everywhere . . . and personally I think it’s a ridiculous polarity.

But I think your request is a good one as I too would love to see a full investigation and expose into its origins and how it has become such an embedded “phrase”.

[UfonautRadio]

I think Dolan is the only "A" lister that has been outspoken about CG and co being nothing more than "camp fire" stories. Shame on MUFON for not doing anything but assisting these snake oil folks the opportunity to grow their base with MUFON credibility attached.

I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

[norman]

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
I think Dolan is the only "A" lister that has been outspoken about CG and co being nothing more than "camp fire" stories. Shame on MUFON for not doing anything but assisting these snake oil folks the opportunity to grow their base with MUFON credibility attached.

I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

Carrying a large shovel usually helps when you find a united community of flies on a pile of cow doo.

[turiya]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
I think Dolan is the only "A" lister that has been outspoken about CG and co being nothing more than "camp fire" stories. Shame on MUFON for not doing anything but assisting these snake oil folks the opportunity to grow their base with MUFON credibility attached.

I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

Carrying a large shovel usually helps when you find a united community of flies on a pile of cow doo.

And, a rather LARGE shovel if you really want to clean out the barn... It goes far beyond CG.

[UfonautRadio]

All are invited tonight. http://www.psn-radio.com/thursdays/ufonautradio/

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
I will have an open forum show live this Thursday to discuss for anyone that needs to offer a way to distance this "disclosure" group from the subject of Ufology. Unity in the community is a pleasant thought, but I would much rather have honesty in the community.

Jesse's show (for newer members and guests, UfonautRadio is Jesse Randolph) can he heard here: (click the green button to listen live)

http://psn-radio.com/thursdays/ufonautradio — tonight (Thursday), 8 pm PST / 11 pm EST.

[norman]

Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
All are invited tonight. http://www.psn-radio.com/thursdays/ufonautradio/

20:00 Thursday, Pacific Time (PT) is 04:00 Friday, British Summer Time (BST)

But I'll be delighted to find out tomorrow that a whole bunch in the same time zone joined in and had a good session.

[UfonautRadio]

Yes Bill a typo which Angel is fixing now...

8PM PST, 11PM EST

-JR

[UfonautRadio]

https://soundcloud.com/psnradio/ufon.../ufonaut-radio

[Pigtail Gurl]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by 9ofClubs (here)
What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

Gemma, I really think you've hit the nail upon it's proverbial head. Well said

[Pigtail Gurl]

A true round table discussion would be full of real opposition. Not just a load of back slapping and feet kissing. Mainstream and Jimmy Church.... Hardly any difference these days.

[Callista]

Great to hear from you PG - your work!!

[norman]

Posted by Pigtail Gurl (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by 9ofClubs (here)
What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

BE MORE LOVING AND SERVICE TO OTHERS! There’s the biggest CLUE!

To the caring person being more loving and service to others sounds like a really “nice” thing.

To those wanting (and holding) power over others, it is a MUST!
You can’t have power over another if they are not in service to you.

This whole Service to Self/Service to Others Meme in the alternative is one big PSYOP! Creating Division and Separation!

If our collective global behaviours reflected compassion and kindness we would be acting sovereign and equal. No SERVICE involved. Humanitarianism, charity, altruism would become needless.

Gemma, I really think you've hit the nail upon it's proverbial head. Well said

No kidding, and I'm not either. Stuff gets woven right into our lives like the fact that before they had the NSA they had the confessional booth network.

[Innocent Warrior]

Suggested reading for those who promote misinformation and seek to diminish the value of discernment.

Excerpt from study, "Correcting false information in memory: Manipulating the strength of misinformation encoding and its retraction" (2011) -

Information that is presumed to be true at encoding but later on turns out to be false (i.e., misinformation) often continues to influence memory and reasoning. In the present study, we investigated how the strength of encoding and the strength of a later retraction of the misinformation affect this continued influence effect. Participants read an event report containing misinformation and a subsequent correction. Encoding strength of the misinformation and correction were orthogonally manipulated either via repetition (Experiment 1) or by imposing a cognitive load during reading (Experiment 2). Results suggest that stronger retractions are effective in reducing the continued influence effects associated with strong misinformation encoding, but that even strong retractions fail to eliminate continued influence effects associated with relatively weak encoding. We present a simple computational model based on random sampling that captures this effect pattern, and conclude that the continued influence effect seems to defy most attempts to eliminate it.

Full study HERE.

The likes of Church and Deschamps can spin it however they want but no amount of fluffy will change the fact that misinformation hinders the search for truth.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Pigtail Gurl (here)
A true round table discussion would be full of real opposition. Not just a load of back slapping and feet kissing. Mainstream and Jimmy Church.... Hardly any difference these days.

Yes, for sure.

And a very warm welcome also from me, to Pigtail Gurl. She was actually a member here back in 2015, under a different name, and had posted a couple of times before she lost her password.

RunningDeer (Paula) tracked her down, after this video had been posted on The Truth about Corey Goode thread, and so we're delighted to have her back here again. Do watch... recommended.

(Jesse Randolph/UfonautRadio played a nice clip from her video on his radio show last night, at about the 1 hr 16 min mark.)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WafZv4iXQpA

[Hervé]

Posted by Rachel (here)
Suggested reading for those who promote misinformation and seek to diminish the value of discernment.

Excerpt from study, "Correcting false information in memory: Manipulating the strength of misinformation encoding and its retraction" (2011) -

Information that is presumed to be true at encoding but later on turns out to be false (i.e., misinformation) often continues to influence memory and reasoning. In the present study, we investigated how the strength of encoding and the strength of a later retraction of the misinformation affect this continued influence effect. Participants read an event report containing misinformation and a subsequent correction. Encoding strength of the misinformation and correction were orthogonally manipulated either via repetition (Experiment 1) or by imposing a cognitive load during reading (Experiment 2). Results suggest that stronger retractions are effective in reducing the continued influence effects associated with strong misinformation encoding, but that even strong retractions fail to eliminate continued influence effects associated with relatively weak encoding. We present a simple computational model based on random sampling that captures this effect pattern, and conclude that the continued influence effect seems to defy most attempts to eliminate it.

Full study HERE.

The likes of Church and Deschamps can spin it however they want but no amount of fluffy will change the fact that misinformation hinders the search for truth.

Extremely important (re)discovery because that's what the MSM has been using with the flood of "Fake News" whether it be Trump, Assad, Saddam, Qaddafi, Putin, Syria, Russia, Iran, on-and-on-and-on...

... that's the importance of "First strike" in a propaganda war, you know, like "Putin's Missile."

[Cidersomerset]

Extremely important (re)discovery because that's what the MSM has been
using with the flood of "Fake News" whether it be Trump, Assad, Saddam, Qaddafi,
, Syria, Russia, Iran, on-and-on-and-on...

I was just thinking that as I watched Cross Talk on RT and they are discussing
CNN's latest 'Fake News' outing by project Veritas https://www.youtube.com/user/veritasvisuals/videos
and how this agenda has been pushed along with Russian Hacking which is
a 'Nothing Burger' and the Washington mil ind com. conveyor belt, which could
lead to a project blue beam type event. I see everything is connected to various
degrees and there is a massive media war going on at present .....
Cross Talk : Counterfeit News Network....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wylGHKJLuMY

or ......David Icke Videocast - Mass Murder Inc - Any Lie Will Do ...30/7/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdwQOE26aGw