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    Default Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Radio host Jimmy Church announced last night in the intro to his show that Wednesday (tomorrow) he'll be hosting a major round table to look at 'whether ufology has been infiltrated'.

    He says it might be the most important show he's ever done — and promised we'll all 'be surprised'. He says it's 'not what we think'.

    He's not saying yet who his guests will be, though he may reveal more tonight. He states he refuses to partake in any 'negativity'.

    He drops a lot of hints, but nothing was specific. I am wary.

    The 12 minute segment (with all unconnected material edited out) is here... do listen.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    If Churche's track record is anything to go by, this doesn't smell good.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    JC is part of the alliance marketing campaign in my opinion. He promotes CG and DW with wild abandon each show. Nothing wrong with that, but then don't turn around and tell your listeners you are neutral.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    I am intrigued, it will surely be an interesting listen, but I will have my bullsh*t detector turned up to maximum.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    He speaks about researchers as "infiltrators." This is a ploy in my opinion to try and sequester good researcher and fact checking. This has always been and will be the way Ufology rolls. These newbies will learn as they continue on their journey.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    It sounds like he thinks he has got a monopoly on the truth.
    I'll decide for myself if I will be blown away and suprised and all that. Bring it on

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    In the most recent Richard dolan radio show, he talked about a conversation he had with JC. The talk about JC and CG and Tompkins is in the second part at around 35 minutes. Also, I highly recommend the show for the first section of the show where he has a very insightful take on what is going on politically.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Look, if he's willing to have people like Dolan and Howe on, I get it. The notion that this community is somehow suddenly being suborned all of a sudden is rather silly. That's like saying that Richard Doty just showed up.

    Assuming I get back from my wage slave job in time to listen, I'll give it an ear.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by section9 (here)
    ...if he's willing to have people like Dolan and Howe on...
    Richard Dolan, I don't yet know. Linda Howe has not been invited.

    Daniel Liszt (the 'Dark Journalist') has posted this on his Facebook page:
    ~~~
    Sources tell us Jimmy Church is planning on a 'Rescue Mission' for Corey Goode & Co. on his Wednesday Night Radio show under the guise of an objective roundtable discussion. Church hosts events and is close friends with Corey Goode and Goode's Business Partner Roger Ramsaur and should disclose any financial dealings with their companies, past or present, so the listeners have full transparency.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote He drops a lot of hints, but nothing was specific. I am wary.
    I have been waiting for Jimmy's response and have wondered how
    he would go about it ? He spent 10 mins saying nothing , it depends
    who he has on and what they discuss. I'l be surprised if they go after
    Corey and David as Jimmy is due to be at their upcoming conference
    if I remember right , I'l check .

    It will not mean much without you Bill , Daniel or someone like Rich Dolan,
    Joseph Farrell or similar ilk....


    ================================================== =

    I'm not sure if its this one ? there is a mixed speaker list including Gary McKinnon
    who must be via Skype or he will risk being arrested. Jimmy was talking about
    a upcoming event with Corey after contact in the Desert , but not sure which one.
    Just saying they are pretty pally and it will be hard for Jimmy to be neutral I
    think.....

    This is an interesting line up from the fantastical to the academic.....


    2017 MUFON Symposium

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    Cheryll Jones..Former CNN Anchor...Master of Ceremonies

    John Brandenburg, Ph. D...Plasma Physicist
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    James Woodward, Ph. D ..Experimental Physicist and CSUF Professor Emeritus
    "Secret Space Programs at the Dawn of the Interstellar Age"

    Michael Salla, Ph. D...UFO researcher/author
    "The US Navy’s Secret Space Program & Extraterrestrial Alliance"

    Mark McCandlish
    Aerospace Illustrator and UFO Researcher
    "The Fluxliner, or Alien Reproduction Vehicle, Theory of Operation"

    Robert M. Wood, Ph.D
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    Bill Tompkins..Secret Space Program Insider
    "What I Learned in the Navy -- and how it's still secret today"

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    Debbie Ziegelmeyer..MUFON State Director and Board Member
    "A Case for Underwater Alien Bases: What Deep Water Secrets,are the Oceans Hiding?"

    Corey Goode ..Witness to the SSP.."The history of the secret space program"

    Michael Schratt Aerospace Historian and Illustrator
    "That's Classified: Exposing the 'silver bullet' technology"

    Andrew Basiago, J.D...Lawyer and Witness to the Secret Space Program
    "Destination Mars: The hidden history of the CIA's Mars Jump Room program"

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Prolly a whitewash.

    - UFOlogy has been infiltrated, either by accident or design. From here, the aims seem to be;

    - Creation of a 'celeb contactee culture' - A strict 2 level hierarchy of experiencers and audience.
    - Downplay etheric contact. i.e. marginalize and ridicule anyone capable of receiving genuinely useful information from the infinite universe.
    - Push the 'disclosure soon' psyop. Do we really need governments to tell us aliens exist? And if they do, are they working with the good guys? And what does "soon" mean, anyway?
    - Distract people from the mystery of the mountains by any means necessary. Get us looking up up up when we have ancient civilizations under our feet.
    - Create a lot of pointless noise to stop people making any long term plans.
    - Hype "Free energy" when solar and wind will do just fine.


    Bills warning at at the start of the Corey Goode thread was spot on. UFO conferences can be very dangerous places. They are honeypots to trap and tag any potential disruptors:

    Quote Bill: The energies at Joshua Tree are dark and potent. Most of the people appearing there are, at best, just merchants of woo-woo---some are paid intelligence operatives, and some others are predators of a high and decidedly non-human order.
    I suggest people walk away from this macabre dog and pony show, and follow their own path...
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Jimmy checked in his objectivity and integrity some time ago. To the point that it makes some of his shows impossible to listen to.

    He never asks hard questions, not interested in what is real or not.

    He's a showman . It's a business for him.

    It's all a bit sad and disgusting.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    They have been discussing Bills interview and Corey a bit on the......

    Fade To Blog...

    https://jimmychurchradio.com/fade-to-blog/


    I cannot find what I'm looking for , but Jimmy is speaking at....

    ECETI...2017

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Teresa says she’s an open book and gives bio of self, family background in the military, Dad worked at the Pentagon, and religious preferences.
    @ 9:03 is where she defines her relationship with Jordan, provides photos and commentary of the conference, her take on Derrick Faust’s integrity and drug use, etc.

    @ 20:20 - hanging out with Jimmy Church and family
    @ 22:18 - get invited to Corey's place
    @ 25:35 - Teresa's take on deep conversations at Corey's place + photos & live video
    @ 30:48 - explanation for what Derrick and friend heard that Jordan said 'we were in kind of a ritual last night'
    @ 31:35 - No ill will towards Derrick, but is confused as to why the Dark Journalist portrayed Derrick the way he did. He's a guy that smoked a sh!t load of weed all the time.
    @ 32:11 - He didn't even buy a ticket. Derrick gets kicked out and asked for her wristband. Not a person of integrity.
    @ 33:35 - Back to what Derrick heard Jordan say about the ritual. Teresa says that the mind can do weird things when you are stoned all the time. It's hypocritical for him to call out others.

    "Dark Journalist" Daniel Liszt AKA Daniel M. Robillard Exposed - FAKE NEWS! (First of Series)

    Published on Jun 11, 2017

    We are currently in the throes of a smear campaign to take down Corey Goode, and anyone associated with him (particularly Roger Richards, Justin Deschamps, Jordan Sather, and Teresa Yanaros-myself).

    Does this coordinated attack have something to do with the book project making a case for the Secret Space Program? Could it be that the "powers that be/were" are trying to crush the momentum of this project? If this is true, then it seems to me that the FDP is headed in the right direction. Let's keep uncovering the truth, and remain vigilant.

    An allegation has been made in the last 48 hours that I was involved in a satanic cult ritual at Contact in the Desert. This is a complete fabrication. It's not true.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
    JC is part of the alliance marketing campaign in my opinion. He promotes CG and DW with wild abandon each show. Nothing wrong with that, but then don't turn around and tell your listeners you are neutral.
    Well, thing is we have all been taken in and deceived in one way or another in this rather fake believe us this is the way it is world and here is the new guy on the block he is a good guy he will tell you what to think about this and that.

    But how is he going to back his way out of this....the denial sets in, the need to be right...how is this going to affect my career.....

    This field have been infiltrated from the beginning.


    I am not sure if I am up to listening to this but if it gets interesting please let me know.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    The little I've heard Church talking about Corey Goode, he is quite soft on him. Yes, Church does seem to be giving him a free pass, providing a media outlet where Goode can make his claims without having to address the hard questions leveled against him.

    However, one statement Church makes is absolutely true: THE MATTER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIVIDE THE UFO AND CONSPIRACY COMMUNITY. And division happens on two sides, and many researchers on Avalon are on one of those sides. We don't have control of what the Corey Good supporter side has to side. We do, however, have the ability to shape our side of the message. That being said, here are a few guidelines I would suggest:
    1) Take a deep breath of air. Remain calm and lucid. Know that the Corey Goode will story will be debunked and eventually, it will be universally accepted as a fraud. We don’t have control of the timeline of how the events unfold, we don’t know what disinformation tricks they have up their sleeves, but in the end, the truth always prevails. We will get there in good time, but until then, enjoy the scenic detours that will be created.

    2) This isn’t bloody warfare, so conduct yourself with civility. Don’t attack people who disagree, listen more and shout less. When someone gives you their argument, listen carefully and try and find one or two weak points. Then offer them the least amount of verifiable and factual information it takes to counter those points. They certainly aren’t going to change their conclusions while you are shouting at them, and probably not even while you are talking politely at them. But if you leave them with a few good tidbits, this may lead them to start thinking on their own, on their own time, and coming to different conclusions.

    Also, keep the language civil. Jordan Saither and Teresa Y are both married adults, and Jordan has children. Referring to them as “Corey’s Kids” is just plain foul. And while Roger Ramsaur does have strange tattoos, as many in the heavy metal community do, and may have participated in “a ritual”, this does not necessarily make him a “Satanist” and calling him one until this is definitely proven is also foul.

    3) We need to try and come up with a simple, concise argument that fits within the short attention spans most early 21st century homo sapiens possess (especially for those not so sapient) that boils down to just a few bullet points. What are the smoking guns, and what are the simple facts (as opposed to the complex ones). Many 9/11 truthers decided that the most compelling piece of proof that have is the collapse of building 7. Is there a building 7 in the Corey Goode story?
    In the end, the truth will prevail. The trick is getting it to do so without the violence and blood shed, because there will be more battles to fight after this one.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Seems like an odd caption for a "show" because "ufology" was infiltrated from the get go and I think most serious veteran researchers and onlookers already know that.

    I have no doubt that "ufology" was infiltrated--by ETs!

    For example, in 1967 police officer Schirmer was abducted by members of the flying serpent ET group and was told: "This is an observation ship with a crew of four men . . .They send information little by little to prepare us . .. and also to disconcert and intrigue us . .. lately they have let us see too much . . .all should believe a little in them, but not too much. . . ." (See p. 37 of pdf of the EYE OF RA for details, link below--and thanks to the late Wendell Stevens for allowing me to reproduce the pictures from his book).

    In my view as one who has had many experiences with the winged serpent ETs and their ET co-conspirators, they are the actual source of the infiltration and manipulation. I have no doubt that the Annunaki and their ilk are still alive and well and are the puppeteers at Langley, Pentagon, WDC, DUMBs, etc. These insidious ETs are still the instigators of endless wars on this planet.

    The "ufology" circus that we are now witnessing is just a manifestation of ET dialectic machinations.

    Also, anyone can start a YouTube channel and invite people who are eager for attention and put on a "show".

    BTW, who was it that first coined the word "ufology", a contraction of ufo and ology (and would be spelled ufoology and could be pronounced you fool oh gee)?

    From my own experiences I found that etology--the study of ETs--yields more significant information than studying their space craft.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    2) This isn’t bloody warfare, so conduct yourself with civility. Don’t attack people who disagree, listen more and shout less. ..."

    Also, keep the language civil. Jordan Saither and Teresa Y are both married adults, and Jordan has children.
    Thanks for the reminders, Kryztian.

    I agree, they aren't kids. Jordan Sather is 26 and Teresa Yanaros is 29. Both are single. Jordan posted "...being a single father..." & Teresa is newly divorced as of October, 2016.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    The round table is a way of trying to save a sinking story that had so many holes that it needed to sink ages ago. The people on this forum, BR and alike knew this and couldn't stand by any longer. NOW, DJ has injected this really dumb satanic angle that make him look really silly. I was hoping he would represent my opinion, but he lost me with that angle. Stick to the facts that are quite obvious now.

    The round table is about trying to make this go away and get on with the ticket sales.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by TrumanCash (here)
    who was it that first coined the word "ufology", a contraction of ufo and ology (and would be spelled ufoology and could be pronounced you fool oh gee)?
    The logic behind unidentified aircraft (bogey).

    Quote (military slang) An unidentified aircraft, especially as observed as a spot on a radar screen and suspected to be hostile.
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