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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

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    The best form of resistance is self educated awareness, and part of that is realising just how deep the programming goes that makes us "open" to "accept" whatever....look at Obama, nothing more than a voice people had been programmed to accept via Hollywood !

    Well it's the same with anyone that sets up as a "media" figure using memes we've all been made accustomed to

    Back to "ET"....once they drop Corey (oh sorry to those who don't follow the long game ) they will reappear somewhere else to some one else, that has a new edge or catchiness, & it will be all off again, be it chanelling, cultish stuff or pics of flying discs...

    I see your point, in the long view, but I see things very dynamically. I see myself as being responsible for doing what I can right now in the moment in holding off the foe while other parts of my human 'clan' get more muscular and join in the resistance.

    It's very much a time based tactical battle, the way I look at most of these things. You know the stuff "no good closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" and all that.
    Time, yes, thats a biggy for most people, but if you stay fluid in your beliefs through your "time" then you can counteract most of that, the main thing is that they are trying to get people to spiritually tie themselves in with them ...

    Belief is a big part of it & the reasons why are is the key to what we are !
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    I apologize but my show is cancelled tonight as I have lost my voice.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    This is turning into a bunch of high school level drama...well a bit more like Colonial Masterplanned level drama injected among indigenous tribal factions.

    One would think this whole "divide and conquer" routine would be very obvious and very tired by now. Apparently it still works and is effective.
    A few years back Bill and Kerry were forced to part ways after they became divided ( by design I expect) about their mission and how to approach their service to truth. This pattern is now repeating itself community wide. This time the question is not how to approach truth, but the very veracity and integrity of statements. This scenario today is also about how to silence honest conscientious scrutiny and any dissent that interferes with ego , credibility and ultimately the profitability of an enterprise in the making in being viciously defended.

    For the love of sanity!
    If you are the prophet, ambassador and ONLY anointed voice of Purple Monkey's, Blue Bird's, Bubble Federation, Sphere Collective would you PLEASE inform your aliens/gods/masters/handlers that on THIS ****ty density planet a few essentials MUST be satisfied.

    1. This world works on money. Having the voice of YOUR ENTIRE galaxy/dimension/empire/race/people impoverished speaks volumes about your stupidity. Scan the planet, show him a gold mine...a sunken ship, give him some bitcoins, a fist full of diamonds...give him some useful tech to patent. Stock suggestions even....ANYTHING BUT having him beg for change. It makes him and you look incredulous.

    2. Humans respect health. With your marvelous technology that will "save" this planet....fix his back/leg/arthritis/cancer or whatever. Negative ET's will "cure" their human breeding stock, why can't you at least do that for your Most IMPORTANT Ambassador to this planet? I mean you are "light years ahead" ffs. Maybe fix his "Swiss cheese" memory while you're at it. Makes him look shady and you aliens end up looking like morons.

    3. Stop being coy. Educate your idiot Ambassador/Prophet. If you are an Intergalactic Species managing "first contact" you MUST have done SOME research. Then you'll know that your "Ambassador" better have an airtight and rock solid AND accurate accounting of you, your society and culture...we're suspicious by nature and YOU should know that. Sort that out BEFORE you make anyone your mouth piece. HEY why not teach him Earth's true history...just where is the Hall of Records, surely YOU guys must know. DO something "useful".

    4. No excuses. We have short attention spans. We only live "about" 90 years...if you're not showing up in 2-5 years don't bother showing up. The planet would have imploded/exploded by then OR we will have "ascended/raptured/died of boredom waiting and we'll probably be talking to the squid faced Arcturians as the "latest" craze in ET contact.

    end rant
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by Spiral (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Gemma13, quoting Jimmy Church (here)
    We need to listen to EVERYONE otherwise people will stop talking!
    I profoundly disagree. To give air time to false, embellished, or hoaxed stories just encourages and rewards the hoaxers more.

    The main media portals (Gaia, C2C, F2B, Jeff Rense, and a bunch of other shows, not to mention the conferences) are also gatekeepers. NOT entertainers.

    But Jimmy is an entertainer. At a fundamental level, he's more interested in the conversation (especially his own voice) than the truth. He's said just that, in so many other words.

    Of course, claims need to be fairly aired, at least initially. But this is NOT a 'we report, you decide' situation. The media portals also have a responsibility for education, including how to think and examine information.

    This is exactly Avalon's position, and I stand by that absolutely.
    I have to second that even if makes me a sicofant in some peoples eyes lol


    I'll 3rd it.

    Spiral, there is a small group out there of emotionally stunted subnormals that will regard anything (ANYTHING) positive you say about Bill, Avalon, the mods, you name it..as sycophantic. Paul, Bill and Ilie could, all by themselves, save the galaxy from evil invading aliens, implement free energy on the earth, eradicate the illuminatti, and present each of these morons with a dozen beautiful bikini clad maids ..and they'd still, *STILL* find some reason to complain...

    .....these are the same people who, all these years later..are STILL whining about how they were banned from the forum..and really and truly don't seem to understand why. If you folks are reading this, allow me to help you. it's very simple - you were banned because you were acting like huge *****, that's why.

    Moving on...
    Is Church really that naive?...or is he deliberately attempting to subtly steer this narrative by implementing memes of "jealousy" and "negativity" in place of healthy skepticism and sanity? I'm not trying to introduce any new conspiracies to this mess, but one can't help but wonder. I'm guessing it's the former. He kind of has that same goofy, aw-shucksy, nice guy thick-headedness that George Noory possesses. But who knows? Maybe all those things are being exploited externally. It would seem that way...

    ..strategically placing naive people as gatekeepers is the way to go if the idea is to dilute the already fragile credibility of the community. As usual, we have to look beyond the faces we see and into the world of string pullers. I'm not suggesting Church was put there by a group of 500 yr old men smoking Cuban cigars in a dark room with St Germain...but someone did, and someone is exploiting all his weaknesses. Getting influenced or bought out usually doesn't involve one man saying to another "you are going to say what I am going to tell you to say, when I tell you to." It's more subtle than that...

    ..It happens slowly and insidiously at first - first you have a Goode on your show...then maybe you're having a beer with him at a ufo convention...or you're writing an intro to his book...maybe he invites you over to his house, or up on stage for a q and a....and the next thing you know you're part of the blue bird clique, a chartered member.....and if someone were to ever ask you when or how it happened exactly, you couldn't quite answer them. It's analogous to David Icke's "totalitarian tiptoe" description.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    I couldn't agree more with mike. This has truly become insulting to the "actual" ufology folks that JC and company seem to think they are leaders of. At this point they have made things much worse by trying to sell us some sanitized GN type fluff. If we don't take a stand against this type of junk, the next guy will be Johnathan Reed part 2.

    If JC doesn't click on links or look at what the audience is saying, then he should..

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Has Ufology been Infiltrated?
    Grumble... grumble... entertainers... damn right Bill!

    Look at the title: can a "discipline" ever be infiltrated? Insufficiently analyzed, yes; infiltrated? No!

    Now, let's assume, Jimmy meant the "field" of UFOlogy... well, what infiltrated what?

    Seriously: was a psy-op infiltrated by truthers? Or vice versa?

    ... because, "Ufology" was controlled to the hilt from the get go....

    I'll refer you to this post (<---) and Stan Deyo's introduction to his presentation in which he mentions something to the effect of: "You have no idea of the extent to which they would go in order to make something real."


    For those who (re)watch that Stan Deyo's presentation... here is the big question: Was Roswell a "False Flag" designed in order to get scientists cranking on with their slide rules? Or was it real? From there, the main divides in "Ufology."

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    From my viewpoint and experiences what we are seeing is a reflection of the "new age" movements. I use the term "new age" because they themselves identify themselves as "new age". (BTW, I never heard of Gaia TV until I read about it on this forum and was surprised to see that it was just another YouTube channel--and anyone can put up a YouTube channel.)

    I ran headlong into this new age phenomenon in the early half of the nineties when I began getting flashbacks of abductions, getting implanted and having all kinds of wild experiences with Grays. I talked openly about it and so I began to meet new agers and a few who had woke up to the channeling deception. I was right in the middle of Ramtha and channeled Pleiadian country. Consequently--to make a long story short--I was able to expose channeling with past life and abduction research and concurrent abductions.

    Phil Schneider use to say "put your skepticals on". Beliefs can be very powerful things. Within the new age movements there are various belief systems that sometimes serve to block the questioning of authority and real truth seeking. Consequently, they don't put their skepticals on. However, I have met ex-new agers who have awakened from the mind control of the NWO and the machinations of the ET Conspirators (e.g., Annunaki, Mantids, Grays, Reptilians, aka ETCs) who are the ones doing the channeling and the micro-macro-managing of the planet as I know from firsthand experience.

    Perhaps more in a general sense, what we are witnessing is the difference between people who choose the blue pill instead of the red. Unfortunately, the blue pill belief systems implanted by the ETCs themselves are tempting bait to those who do not question. I saw firsthand in Ramtha country how these religious belief systems created divisions even between new agers. And I see it now again.

    I wish I had a big box of glasses to hand out to people like in the movie "They Live".
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    It's not another YT channel. Gaia has a cable network channel as well that is HUGE.

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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Church is starting to creep me out as much to the likes of Corey Goode if I may.....
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    • Upheavals and controversy at MUFON.
    • A major public battle between Peter Robbins and Larry Warren, who were co-authors of an important book, Left at East Gate (about the Dec 1980 Bentwaters case).
    • Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more.
    • Major conflict (basically about wildly differing standards of research and due diligence) re the Corey Goode/ David Wilcock/ Gaia TV saga.
    There may even be something cooking up between Corey Goode and David Wilcock. From what I have heard they were not seen together at Contact in the Desert. David was also missing on the Corey team meeting photos that Dark Journalist published.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Quote Posted by Builder (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    • Upheavals and controversy at MUFON.
    • A major public battle between Peter Robbins and Larry Warren, who were co-authors of an important book, Left at East Gate (about the Dec 1980 Bentwaters case).
    • Sean David Morton to be sentenced, on Monday 19 June, to a probable term of 8 years or more.
    • Major conflict (basically about wildly differing standards of research and due diligence) re the Corey Goode/ David Wilcock/ Gaia TV saga.
    There may even be something cooking up between Corey Goode and David Wilcock. From what I have heard they were not seen together at Contact in the Desert. David was also missing on the Corey team meeting photos[/B] that Dark Journalist published.
    It may be in part because of their speaking schedules. They were on two panels @ Contact in the Desert. (added below) Though it doesn't account for the evening down time.

    As far as I can tell, David Wilcock isn't part of the 2017 MUFON Symposium - "The Case for a Secret Space Program" nor the book by the same name, so he wouldn't be at the meeting or in the photo shown by the Dark Journalist.

    Book: "The Case for a Secret Space Program" is a collaborative new book to be released in July featuring veteran researchers Dr. Robert Wood and Dr. Michael Salla, and secret space program whistleblowers William Tompkins and Corey Goode.

    This first book in a series will tie in the testimonies of Goode and Tompkins with the research of Dr. Wood and Dr. Salla to explain precisely how advanced science were obtained by corporations on our planet, and how technology gained from these sciences were kept secret and built out.

    Book releasing at the MUFON Symposium in Las Vegas in Mid July, eBook will be available.
    ****
    Contact in the Desert Schedule:

    David Wilcock
    • Friday Lecture A - 10:30AM-12:30P
    • Friday Panel 1 - 4:00PM-6:00PM
    • Friday Workshop - 7:00PM-9:00PM
    • Saturday Lecture B - 10:30AM-12:O0PM
    • Sunday Panel 2 - 2:00PM-4:O0PM
    • Monday Intensive - 4:45PM-7:45PM

    Corey Goode
    • Saturday Lecture - 4:15PM-6:15P
    • Sunday Workshop - 11:00AM-1:00PM
    • Monday Intensive - 1:15PM-4:15PM
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    Quote Posted by UfonautRadio (here)
    It's not another YT channel. Gaia has a cable network channel as well that is HUGE.
    Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding. I was not aware that it was a cable network channel as I don't watch TV. I understand the situation more now and in a broader context.

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    So strange, why would JC do the show? His listeners and detractors were both disappointed because he purposely booked guests that had limited knowledge about the issues.

    If he was interested in squashing the beef, he would have had CG and BR or DJ, or RM. Isn't rocket science to see why he didn't do this...

    The smart ones like DW and GN are staying very far from this one. This way if CG goes down, these guys are already way down the road.

    At some point in the show I can't even remember, he said he'd have no guests and no show if he asked them hard questions. That's EXACTLY why this smooth TruthJocking game he's a part of is SO destructive. A bloke like Jimmy Church doesn't even have to be 'on the payroll' to completely destroy ufology within a decade.
    This! So much this! ^^^

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    @ 4:33 Jimmy’s Intro “Are you guys all believers” Yeah!

    Clearly evident when listening to Jimmy's introduction that he is “NOT NEUTRAL” when it comes to Corey.
    Copycatting Evangelist Preachers much

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    @ 4:33 Jimmy’s Intro “Are you guys all believers” Yeah!

    Clearly evident when listening to Jimmy's introduction that he is “NOT NEUTRAL” when it comes to Corey.
    Copycatting Evangelist Preachers much
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    '"The Case for a Secret Space Program", a collaborative new book to be released in July', is an obvious piece of disinfo (deliberate or otherwise). We know that the secret space program exists, as per credible whistleblowers like Bill Uhouse, who worked in Area 51 on antigravity flight simulator in the 1950’s and met aliens:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VxA-Y4enohQ

    Or Gary McKinnon's testimony.

    Then, the disinfo is added, peddled by a perhaps well intentioned naive researcher with 'credible' credentials, like Dr. Salas. This guy takes the truth and mixes it with fairy tales from guys like corey goode and captain kaye. Then they have fun at conferences spinning campfire stories as if its truth. Its like santa claus actually has a house at the north pole.

    At least for good fiction there is a moral to the story. I dont see jimmy church/corey goode/salas/wilcock having any moral redemption. They are just peddling disinfo as entertainment. Its the traditional mainstream media or religion approach of 'you in the audience stay where you are as sheeple, and these actors will save the day. And you will owe them a debt of gratitude and submission.'

    They can take a hike.

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    Here is the thing and why I'm so passionate about getting the truth rather than fairy tales. There are laws being broken and peoples lives as stake and this is no joking matter. I know I tend to often be cynical about the material put out, especially lately.

    But playtime is over folks. I've been personally searching for answers as to how long are they going to get away with this. Then along come the profiteers who degrade what should be responsible reporting and make a mockery of what some people have actually sacrificed their lives and family's lives for.

    So it's a matter of belief rather than the truth? If this person Corey Goode keeps telling fairy tales, it's a matter diverting attention away from and excusing the very subject as some kind of UFO religion which it is not! Nor does it deserve a cult following!

    If this guy Jimmy Church wishes to support this morally bankrupt crew for what it really is which is a UFO religion than that is on him and nobody else.

    But keep in mind the people who have died over this very subject while the likes of Jimmy Church mull over comic books! It actually makes me sick to my stomach knowing what I know and searching for some damned truth.

    When I see Corey's great new friends exclaim "I had the best sex ever with a reptilian alien", or "I just love Rendlesham Forest!" I want to, in my best valley girl accent say gag me with a spoon! For God sake get real! If you want to live in a new age religion fine...go find a prism and spin on it. But leave the real UFO research and facts to the adults to figure out because you will probably end up having that crystal surgically removed someday.
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    Default Re: Jimmy Church: Has Ufology been Infiltrated?

    Dont you think it is strange when people say things like "I heard the blue avian message".

    Also dont you think it is strange that you had to hear this message through a conduit and not directly? If they truly were what they claim to be, why not start meeting people who are open to the message directly?
    Wait, Am i being left out? Have you people met a Blue avian and are holding out on us? Am I not cool enough to be in the club?

    What is this message btw? I am not sure I know what it is even though I have read and watched many things from CG/DW.

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