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    The nature of the scandal is, IMO, as follows:

    Note Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea is one of, if not the, richest Borough in the country. Both the local authority & their income AND the residents.

    A bit of back-ground.

    British policy has since the war been to build these blocks in diverse locales rather than zoning , and thereby creating ghettos, as they do in France. The advantages being hopefully better social and educational opportunities for the occupants, plus the monied classes have access to cleaners and shop keepers. These blocks are well -built, mostly, and dotted all over the place.
    The local pressure group flagged all kinds of safety issues , especially fire. There was a chronic lack of investment and good practice regarding this. But, strangely the local authority found £8.6 million for the cladding. Yes, cladding a building where there were well documented concerns about internal fire safety, including exits, alarms & sprinklers (or lack of).
    So what was this huge investment about? There has been the suggestion that the cladding, described as insulation, is, in fact, primarily an aesthetic issue. I agree with this analysis. In the posh areas, one of the top subjects around the dinner table is house prices. These towers are seen as an eye sore. There is a programme nationally to improve the way they look, with cladding, painting and other updates. After the investment, they do look much nicer, and could possibly pass off as a swanky new office block!


    Quote Director of company which refurbished Grenfell Tower ‘hangs up’ on Piers Morgan

    Jen Mills for Metro.co.uk
    Wednesday 14 Jun 2017 6:44 pm

    A director of the company which refurbished Grenfell Tower appeared to hang up during an interview with Piers Morgan.
    Andrew Goldman, responsible for technology and marketing at Rydon, appeared on Good Morning Britain where he was asked about insulation cladding which may have led to the deadly fire spreading so quickly.
    At least 12 people have been confirmed dead with the toll expected to rise.
    ‘We know your company did the refurbishment only last year and added all this exterior cladding,’ Piers Morgan said.
    ‘Almost all witnesses said they saw the cladding basically firing up – bits of it were igniting before their very eyes.


    ‘There will be many other people living in buildings with this type of cladding who want to know what the hell has gone on.’
    ‘Can you tell us what the cladding was made of?’
    Responding, Mr Goldman said he did not know exactly what the cladding was made of and said he didn’t want to speculate before investigations could determine the cause of the fire.
    In a fraught exchange, Mr Morgan told him: ‘These aren’t very satisfactory answers.’
    Susanna Reid then asked him: ‘Do you know if this cladding is used in other of your projects? There has been some speculation it was used on the school near the block.’
    But at this point the interview cut off.
    People watching jumped to the possibility he hung up, which was acknowledged by Piers Morgan when he said he had given him a ‘hard time’.
    Earlier in the interview, Mr Goldman had said: ‘We don’t know that there’s any direct link between the fire and the cladding at this stage. We have to wait for the outcome of the inquiries.’
    He said he didn’t want to speculate on anything and clarified ‘the main purpose of the cladding is for insulation and protection from the external elements’.
    He said: ‘We are shocked by what’s happened, our thoughts go out to those affected.
    ‘We are working with everybody we need to work with to find out what went wrong.’
    Earlier today, policing and fire Minister Nick Hurd responded to people’s concerns about the insulation which some claim could act as a ‘chimney’ for the flames to run up the exterior.
    He said authorities will ‘seek to identify towers that might have a similar process of refurbishment, run a system of checks so that we can, as quickly as possible, give reassurance to people.’
    A bit of gossip: huge amounts of drug dealer cash was there. Also there is 20kg of Gold on the 21st floor, I hope the owners advise the fire service!
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    Apparently the press have been instructed to avoid comparisons with any other skyscraper fires an any account, so it's left to the people of the internet to do so.


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    Is anyone going to come with weird dates, sacrificial timescales, et al, or any other nasty business in this negligent corporate atrocity?
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    I can absolutely believe conversations about cladding around these tower blocks taking place around many smug superior dinner tables in that part of London. It all fits in with class obsession and obsession with house prices these people have. An unpleasant and hypocritical attitude that persists with the British to this day. To hell with what any stuck up Little Englander thinks.

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    Somewhere above there was a mention of unskilled contractor workers and the installation of a GAS main. Could the gas leak have started the fire? People should not be housed on top of each other. This is GREED gone mad. Then, the cheaper the construction, the more unsafe, the more greedy business people are involved. What do lives matter to them? They are creaming money. Imagine the horror of being roasted to death or watching your children suffering the same. Were there landing platforms placed around the building for people to jump???? Were the windows unable to be opened? Does anyone know?

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    Quote Posted by amor (here)
    Somewhere above there was a mention of unskilled contractor workers and the installation of a GAS main. Could the gas leak have started the fire? People should not be housed on top of each other. This is GREED gone mad. Then, the cheaper the construction, the more unsafe, the more greedy business people are involved. What do lives matter to them? They are creaming money. Imagine the horror of being roasted to death or watching your children suffering the same. Were there landing platforms placed around the building for people to jump???? Were the windows unable to be opened? Does anyone know?
    Yes on a deeper level capitalism has a lot to answer for. Time and time again we see corners cut for more profit and greed takes over.

    Ultimately this will lead to exploitation of the poorer and less fortunate people. With the Capitalist mindset whichever route you take whether it's someone working 15 hours a day making toys for the masses or as we've seen here, it's all wrong....there are times when I hate this reality...

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    The PM has announced a public inquiry that will last for months if not years.
    The raw emotion would have died down a bit apart from those involved or
    connected. Hopefully it will not be swept under the carpet , and we have
    seen from Hillsborough and other disasters that cover ups can be exposed.

    In a upside down world where the current 'war on terror' meme has been
    playing out for control and profit for the mil ind complex's , Banksters etc
    since the fall of the Soviet union , and the mainstream has been their
    mouth piece . Its a reminder that millions of people die every day from
    old age , disease , accidents and tragedies and this highlights how
    manipulated we are by the odd terrorist attack real or fake to control the
    mass's. This has always gone on in one form or another.Mrs May is leading
    the fight against the web and has been chipping away at it since she was
    home secretary. An article suggest the Chinese have found a way to 'secure'
    the web and put us all back into the control box it seems....This probably
    should have its own thread.China's quantum satellite in big leap
    Quote It is all part of a push towards a new kind of internet that would be far more secure than the one we use now.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40294795

    London fire: Tower victims 'may never be identified'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40298473

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    HUMANITY vs INSANITY # 94 : Grenfell Tower & Corporate Manslaughter



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    When former KCTMO Board Member (2008-2012) Emma Dent Coad was unexpectedly elected as the Labour MP for Kensington & Chelsea on 8th June 2017, she could never have forseen the tragic events which were about to befall her constituents or the focus of complicity now focussing upon her former colleagues on the KCTMO Board ... now she must take centre stage in ensuring that those responsible are brought to justice!

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    A very sad disaster indeed, Love and healing energy to all concerned.

    As soon as it was classed to be a 'Public inquiry' it became an attempted cover-up in my book. Public means it will be controlled by the Government, and therefore the public will have no real say in the proceedings and will be hushed out of it.

    It should be 'Inquiries'. These are faster and the public can get deeply involved plus they would be faster than the Public Inquiry and so not forgotten over long time.

    On a paranoid side note:
    One thing I would like to know is, was there any body living in those flats that were/are on the 'possible terrorist watch list'?
    If so are they now missing?
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
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    Mrs May is leading
    the fight against the web and has been chipping away at it since she was
    home secretary. An article suggest the Chinese have found a way to 'secure'
    the web and put us all back into the control box it seems....This probably
    should have its own thread.China's quantum satellite in big leap
    Quote It is all part of a push towards a new kind of internet that would be far more secure than the one we use now.
    You don't have to take an article's suggestion regarding a controlled internet in China.
    Its true, I've been there and tasted it 1st hand.

    The list of websites that aren't available is unbelievable, and then what really gets your attention is when you log into your email accounts and they are already in there surveying your sent messages etc, its truly shocking how blatant they seem to be about this kind of thing.

    If this is what May has planned with her controlled web approach, I'm afraid most people would probably only use the internet in a very limited manner, many just to order or buy things.


    I've no doubt we would still be discussing things like this shocking incident on a limited internet but our reference points and availability to data that is outside the official narrative maybe greatly reduced.

    Back to topic.

    Below is an interview with a young man that lives in the area,(I must warn you that he does swear) What he says from 0.40/0.44 onwards is very interesting, there were excluded sections that residents weren't allowed into !

    I would like to hear more interviews with local residents that aren't cut midstream by the media, as the true picture seems to different to what is being pushed here. It can be argued that there are different points of view, but things seem to be moving past that point quite quickly, and now with the media's covering up of the gas main that was allegedly fitted along with the possible flammable insulation behind the plastic tiles.

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    Quote You don't have to take an article's suggestion regarding a controlled internet in China.
    Its true, I've been there and tasted it 1st hand.
    I know 'The Great Fire Wall of China' , I was highlighting the fact Mrs May has
    been trying to do the same here for some time and other countries will probably
    follow suit. Starting with terror , cyber and other crimes to justify 'big Bro/Sis'
    protecting you and getting control back which has been contradicting mainstream
    news on many topics for the past two decades.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    A couple of Ritchie Allen vids about the social conditions and other local aspects of
    the area in the wake of the fire....One of the local issues is lack of housing and the
    suspicions that with land at a premium in the capital social housing is a target
    for speculators to sell off for more lucrative housing developments.

    Musician Peaky Saku, On What The Media Won't Tell You About The Grenfell Tower Fire.



    Published on 15 Jun 2017


    Grenfell Tower, The Clinical Extermination Of The Poor, Gentrification & The Depopulation Agenda.



    Published on 16 Jun 2017
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    There have been many vids on U'tube asking the same question again after
    a high rise fire has gutted a building without it collapsing. At this stage
    it looks like a 'accident waiting to happen', but this is one of the more
    simpler vids asking the question. No doubt there will be technical reasons
    why it did not collapse , not hot enough? better materials ? no thermite ?
    but it always coincidental that these events happen in the mainstream.


    Grenfell Tower And Building 7's Collapse on 911



    Published on 15 Jun 2017

    The tragic Grenfell Tower incident is another example showing that fires do not
    bring down steel frame buildings


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    Why Didn't The Grenfell Tower Collapse?


    Published on 14 Jun 2017
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
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    Why Didn't The Grenfell Tower Collapse?


    Published on 14 Jun 2017

    I would like to point out that the three towers that collapsed on the 11th of Sept 2001 were not anything to do wit "thermite", granted WT7 was rigged to blow but the twin towers were something else, have you not read "Where did the towers go" by material scientist Dr Judy wood ??

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    http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/buy/

    The science proves they were not demolished in anything like an explainable manner, the seismic readings & the tiny amount of debris is are ridiculous...and then there are the strange cold fires that burnt out vehicles

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    We had a spectacular hi rise fire in Melbourne last year where this cladding was used and authorities immediately demanded the removal of all cladding supplied by the manufacturer on other buildings.. one would have thought warnings on the flammable material used would have gone worldwide to government building inspection bodies, architects, building companies etc etc.

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    Quote I would like to point out that the three towers that collapsed on the 11th of
    Sept 2001 were not anything to do wit "thermite", granted WT7 was rigged to blow
    but the twin towers were something else, have you not read "Where did the towers
    go" by material scientist Dr Judy wood ??

    Two of the main alternate theories are by Richard Gage and Architects for 9/11 truth
    and Dr.Judy Wood , there are others like mini nuke , but the official one is still
    difficult to believe from start to finish.



    1 DAY BEFORE 911 WTC Attacks, An Amazing Thing Happened
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p92dECEpQ


    Without going to far on this subject I and others have posted many threads on 9/11
    anomalies and the post above is just to highlight again how the web is leading
    these sort of questions , and how the authorities who ignored it are now trying to
    silence free thought by calling it fake and dangerous.




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    What do you make of this?

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    Lily Allen: 'Hope will turn to anger' following London Tower fire



    Published on 16 Jun 2017
    Lily Allen, musician and local resident, gives her view on the aftermath of the
    West London Grenfell Tower fire, saying “Once these people’s hope turns to
    anger, they’ve got a real problem on their hands.”The council has said they’re
    “helping those affected”.





    ==================================================



    London fire: 58 missing, presumed dead - police





    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40315194
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    Quote The council has said they’re “helping those affected”.
    Not according to the BBC, they said that there is no signs of any such activity, all help is coming from the community it's self....& there are still people sleeping on floors !

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    The following from Musa Qurishi, a Doctor. It appears that this event is going to have a very big impact:

    SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL CORBYN THAT THE REVOLUTION IS GOING TO START IN KENSINGTON

    We in the NHS struggled valiantly in the #GrenfellTowerFire but we feel like we R continuously fighting a battle to save patients from a Government and a system which doesn't care about their lives. Recent tragic events require us to make a change.

    Everybody needs to visit Ground Zero at #GrenfellTower, and pay their respects. Please go this weekend if you can, look at the evening candles burning outside churches with photographs of the missing children, talk to locals, stand in horror before the Tower itself, and take a moment to think about what happened in that building just a few days ago. Take more than a moment.

    Today I went to volunteer in St Clement’s Church but instead found myself joining in a spontaneous hugely energetic small demo which marched from the site of the tragedy towards Kensington & Chelsea Town Hall. By the time we reached the Town Hall, it was quite a large demo. Many powerful speakers spoke of their personal loss.

    I learned a few things today.

    1. I learned that areas of Kensington are very deprived. Walking around Latimer Road tube station, I realised that the council flats there did not fit my conception of Kensington. The juxtaposition of poverty with some of the wealthiest people in the world was striking. I realised within 5 minutes that this was a focus of social friction which could easily flare up.

    2. I was told by local residents that there were gas pipes running up the staircase, this caught fire, and the majority of people fleeing down the only staircase perished. I was told that there are not 10 dead, not 17 dead, not 30 dead, but hundreds dead, and their bodies had been seen by the police and firemen. However, the media are not permitted to report the true numbers.

    3. I was told that the residents of #GrenfellTower had expressed their concerns re safety on a website but had been threatened with legal action for this. They were mostly refugees and working class, therefore unable to pay a lawyer, and had to back down because of the legal threat.

    4. I learned that the local residents are very angry, but I did not see a single act of violence or even injustice. This was not a mob. This was a very wounded pained community of decent working class people who have experienced massive trauma and death, and want answers. They include all ethnicities and all religions, united by their common loss.

    5. I learned that this community is fully aware of the scale of the tragedy, and is absolutely determined to call to account those responsible, whether in central or local government or whether in the corporation which managed #GrenfellTower, or whoever that may be. They are highly intelligent, motivated and united in grief and determination. They are aware of Hillsborough and know what is likely coming their way. But their children have died in large numbers and they will not be defeated.

    I believe that the terrible tragedy of #GrenfellTower has the potential to reach the national consciousness and remove the Conservatives from power within a month from now. I hope and pray that they will achieve this. We activists from all fields (nurses, doctors, Stop the War, teachers, everyone) need to work with them to call those responsible to account. Our government has been quietly killing NHS patients with austerity for years now (see Oxford University study which showed excess 30,000 deaths due to austerity in 2015), but this act of horror needs to be a wake-up call for all of us. Corporate greed cannot be allowed to burn our children and babies to death.
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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